View Full Version : Lewis says Vitali does not have a heart. What is up with Lennox?


Nautilus
12-07-2004, 10:04 PM
(a excerpt from an interview)

It seems that Lennox's got a tooth against Vitali.
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Can you be specific concerning the unanswered questions about him?

Lewis: Obviously, there is a big stamina question with both brothers. When you have one brother suffering from it, the other one is definitely suffering from it. I was really going to show that point if our fight was allowed to continue because I felt that he was definitely getting tired and I actually brought him in the deep end and now it was time for him to drown. But unfortunately the fight got stopped on the cut, which I caused. So that is one question that needs to be answered. The other question is can he really take it on the chin? The other question is answered already. He definitely gets cut easy and boxing is a sport where it is the survival of the fittest. In his past, he has shown that he does not really have a big heart for if he is injured or something, he cannot weather the storm and go on. These are the answers that we do know, but obviously, there are probably other questions that we need to find out and answer.

drh
12-07-2004, 10:09 PM
(a excerpt from an interview)

It seems that Lennox's got a tooth against Vitali.
--------------------

Can you be specific concerning the unanswered questions about him?

Lewis: Obviously, there is a big stamina question with both brothers. When you have one brother suffering from it, the other one is definitely suffering from it. I was really going to show that point if our fight was allowed to continue because I felt that he was definitely getting tired and I actually brought him in the deep end and now it was time for him to drown. But unfortunately the fight got stopped on the cut, which I caused. So that is one question that needs to be answered. The other question is can he really take it on the chin? The other question is answered already. He definitely gets cut easy and boxing is a sport where it is the survival of the fittest. In his past, he has shown that he does not really have a big heart for if he is injured or something, he cannot weather the storm and go on. These are the answers that we do know, but obviously, there are probably other questions that we need to find out and answer.


He's most likely pissed that Vitali keeps calling him out.

He's frustrated that he's 38, been out of the game for a while yet still gets called out. His past his best so he can't get in the ring and shut him up physically.

PBDS
12-07-2004, 10:10 PM
(a excerpt from an interview)

It seems that Lennox's got a tooth against Vitali.
--------------------

Can you be specific concerning the unanswered questions about him?

Lewis: Obviously, there is a big stamina question with both brothers. When you have one brother suffering from it, the other one is definitely suffering from it. I was really going to show that point if our fight was allowed to continue because I felt that he was definitely getting tired and I actually brought him in the deep end and now it was time for him to drown. But unfortunately the fight got stopped on the cut, which I caused. So that is one question that needs to be answered. The other question is can he really take it on the chin? The other question is answered already. He definitely gets cut easy and boxing is a sport where it is the survival of the fittest. In his past, he has shown that he does not really have a big heart for if he is injured or something, he cannot weather the storm and go on. These are the answers that we do know, but obviously, there are probably other questions that we need to find out and answer.



....Yeah I read the whole thing and tried to be objective but the bottom line is "bitterness". Lewis says he likes VK and respects him but he takes cheap shots at him all the time. It's like the guy who takes your place as the class clown or the coolest guy in the neighborhood. You act like it doesn't bother you but deep down you harbor jealousy and resentment. Especially when that guy is getting and potentialy will get much much more attention than you got in your whole career. Lewis may be getting married and having kids, but his behavior makes me think of him as either a bitter female or a homosexual who has been scorned.

BrooklynBomber
12-07-2004, 10:12 PM
Lewis says a lot of different things. One day he picks Danny to beat Vitaly. Other day its opposite. Maybe its to boring to be in retirement and at the same time he does not want to comeback(i can understand that) but still want to be related to boxing somehow with his "smart" opinions.

PBDS
12-07-2004, 10:14 PM
He's most likely pissed that Vitali keeps calling him out.

He's frustrated that he's 38, been out of the game for a while yet still gets called out. His past his best so he can't get in the ring and shut him up physically.


.....Yeah thats just crazy how a guy goes from in his prime two months earlier to out of his prime overnight. too funny. The Lennox nuthuggers would love to think that. He comes in 5 pounds heavier than normal and he is "fat Bastard" all of a sudden and he aged 10 years overnight. The fact is that he met a better and more determined man and he knows that he got a gift and would get his ass kicked in a rematch. END OF STORY!!! Lennox can spin that **** however he wants but the wheel still lands on "*****".

BrooklynBomber
12-07-2004, 10:15 PM
....Yeah I read the whole thing and tried to be objective but the bottom line is "bitterness". Lewis says he likes VK and respects him but he takes cheap shots at him all the time. It's like the guy who takes your place as the class clown or the coolest guy in the neighborhood. You act like it doesn't bother you but deep down you harbor jealousy and resentment. Especially when that guy is getting and potentialy will get much much more attention than you got in your whole career. Lewis may be getting married and having kids, but his behavior makes me think of him as either a bitter female or a homosexual who has been scorned.
Wov you look at it from completely different perspective. You know you may be right.

TheGreat1
12-07-2004, 10:19 PM
LL beat VK and could do it again, but he has nothing else to prove, he was a great HW champ, now it's time for VK to make his mark. LL can say whatever he want's like he said, the fights was stopped by a cut that he created, and and continue to damage throughout the fight. It was clear that LL's punches where much more effective than VK's, thats y he won. VK should be happy that the fight was stopped and happy that LL retired when he did.

PBDS
12-07-2004, 10:26 PM
LL beat VK and could do it again, but he has nothing else to prove, he was a great HW champ, now it's time for VK to make his mark. LL can say whatever he want's like he said, the fights was stopped by a cut that he created, and and continue to damage throughout the fight. It was clear that LL's punches where much more effective than VK's, thats y he won. VK should be happy that the fight was stopped and happy that LL retired when he did.


...Thats pure bull**** and you know it. Lennox gave him a tape cut that he continued to open as the fight went on. If not for that fluke cut Lennox would have been knocked out within five rounds. The only reason Lennox landed anything significant after the cut is that Vit couldn't see jack ****. I respect you greatone but your dead wrong about Lennox being in control without that gift and having any kind of chance in a rematch. Vit would beat his ass to a bloody pulp and Lennox knows that. Thank god(for his sake) he is smarter than Holy.

hollister
12-07-2004, 10:30 PM
I don't think VK should have quit against Byrd, I think he still would have won, I also think he's learned his lesson, he's learned that you can't just quit in boxing, that people don't want to give you a second chance, but the Lewis fight should have been a resounding answer to all of the doubts about his heart, I think Lewis didn't want to go out that way, raising more questions about himself, instead of answering them once and for all on his way out, but he knows he still made the intelligent decision after a very close call, and is just mad at the fact that there isn't much he can do about the situation.

Neuraxis
12-07-2004, 10:34 PM
Like everyone has been saying already Lewis is bitter. If it weren't for Vitali he would be boxing.

hollister
12-07-2004, 10:34 PM
And yes, I think if not for that cut, that fight would have ended up much like the Sanders fight, and the rematch still would if it ever happened. LL wasn't doing **** before that cut, we all know that, hell it's recorded on tape lol.

reebox8225
12-07-2004, 10:37 PM
...Thats pure bull**** and you know it. Lennox gave him a tape cut that he continued to open as the fight went on. If not for that fluke cut Lennox would have been knocked out within five rounds. The only reason Lennox landed anything significant after the cut is that Vit couldn't see jack ****. I respect you greatone but your dead wrong about Lennox being in control without that gift and having any kind of chance in a rematch. Vit would beat his ass to a bloody pulp and Lennox knows that. Thank god(for his sake) he is smarter than Holy.

I doubt VK would beat Lewis to a "bloody pulp".

PBDS
12-07-2004, 10:42 PM
And yes, I think if not for that cut, that fight would have ended up much like the Sanders fight, and the rematch still would if it ever happened. LL wasn't doing **** before that cut, we all know that, hell it's recorded on tape lol.



.....Yeah, up until the cut I have never been more convinced of a guy eventualy being the winner of a fight in all my life. One thing I have always had is a sense of the moment. I have a feeling when my teams will lose and when they will win a great deal of the time. It's an unexplainable thing that I know some of you guys feel that's kind of like being in the zone in sports. The body language, the staggering around when hit, the aggresion, the flow, everything favored Vit to destroy Lennox that night. That ****er got a gift from the Jamaican gods like he has never gotten before and he knows it better than anyone. He needs to STFU and go sire some dreadlocked British sissies already.

TheGreat1
12-07-2004, 11:12 PM
just because you win the 1st few rounds of a fight it doesn't mean ****. in no way does that mean VK was going to win, does not mean he was better, it just means he was winning 4 of the 1st 6 rounds. i have a few examples.
Ali-foreman
JCC-taylor
Foreman-moorer
Corrales-frietas
DLH-Tito
Bryd-McCline
and last but not least LL-vk
VK had a few good rounds where he showed he doesn't have much power, and if you can hang in there you can beat him, which just made me remember another fight.
Brewster-wlad

TheGreat1
12-07-2004, 11:14 PM
just because you win the 1st few rounds of a fight it doesn't mean ****. in no way does that mean VK was going to win, does not mean he was better, it just means he was winning 4 of the 1st 6 rounds. i have a few examples.
Ali-foreman
JCC-taylor
Foreman-moorer
Corrales-frietas
DLH-Tito
Bryd-McCline
and last but not least LL-vk
VK had a few good rounds where he showed he doesn't have much power, and if you can hang in there you can beat him, which just made me remember another fight.
Brewster-wlad

also, that doesn't mean he was going to loose either, i'm just saying we don't know, and i am not convinced that he was a better fighter than LL

hollister
12-07-2004, 11:29 PM
No, you're right, it doesn't, but in the fights you're talking about the other guy took the fight back, or the first guy ran out of gas. In that fight, LL was already swelling, and had been rocked to the point of being beaten around the ring. He gets a questionable shot in, and really only starts to fight back after he realizes VK can't really see. On top of that, he really wasn't able to take complete control of the fight even with VK's vision impaired. You can say what you like about VK's stamina, but the truth is I've never seen him run out of gas, even though he actually has a very high punch output for a heavy. Everyone likes to say that LL was severely out of shape because he was all but completely spent by the time the stoppage occurred, the fact is, it was a rough fight, and he fought the way he did because he didn't know exactly how to fight someone taller and just as strong as he was. My point is, he wasn't really doing anything to indicate that he had VK's number, that he was going to swing the momentum back in his favor, the whole fight basically pivoted on the cut. Technically, he looked almost like an amateur, he didn't fight like a champion who was head and shoulders above the division, he was struggling big time against a fighter everyone had already labeled the next great white hype. That's why he isn't coming back, because there is no way in hell he's going through that again.

hollister
12-07-2004, 11:32 PM
And you know DLH won that fight, and Moorer just made a very bad decision, he gave that fight away, as much as I like big George

TheGreat1
12-07-2004, 11:35 PM
i see it different, i think he was in control, he murdered the left side of VK's face picking his shots, that was very smart. it was only a matter of time, kinda like how foreman was setting up moorer, yeah he took alot of shots, but it was all a plan. VK's face was messed up pretty bad, from clean hard shots.

Sir_Jose
12-07-2004, 11:37 PM
Give it up Vitali fans. What did Lewis say that was not true? Did Vitali QUIT when he had an injury?...YES, Does Vitali cut easily?...YES

and please stop with "The Cut" thing calling it a "tape cut" is just flat out stupid. It was not one cut, Vitali had 7 cuts on the side of his face.

Wow look at all those "tape cuts"*rolleyes*
http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/500/8918Vitali_410_x_410_.jpg

hollister
12-07-2004, 11:53 PM
The momentum of the fight still pivoted off the cut, how it occured is really irrelevent, all those cuts didn't occur at once, Hozay. I knew your racist ass would have to get involved, where's old goofball, before you get in over your head again.

hollister
12-07-2004, 11:57 PM
And by the way Hozay, being a fan means through thick and thin, not hopping on somebody else's bandwagon when your guy's not doing so hot. I'll bet you switch football teams like that too.

Sir_Jose
12-08-2004, 12:19 AM
what the hell are you talking about kid? How do you find any rascism in that post?


You are nothing more than a shameless fanboy.

ChrististheAnswer
12-08-2004, 12:32 AM
LL beat VK and could do it again, but he has nothing else to prove, he was a great HW champ, now it's time for VK to make his mark. LL can say whatever he want's like he said, the fights was stopped by a cut that he created, and and continue to damage throughout the fight. It was clear that LL's punches where much more effective than VK's, thats y he won. VK should be happy that the fight was stopped and happy that LL retired when he did.

I could not have said it better!!

TheGreat1
12-08-2004, 02:14 AM
Give it up Vitali fans. What did Lewis say that was not true? Did Vitali QUIT when he had an injury?...YES, Does Vitali cut easily?...YES

and please stop with "The Cut" thing calling it a "tape cut" is just flat out stupid. It was not one cut, Vitali had 7 cuts on the side of his face.

Wow look at all those "tape cuts"*rolleyes*
http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/500/8918Vitali_410_x_410_.jpg

i just gave u some good karma for that outstanding statement

Mr. Violence
12-08-2004, 02:51 AM
I think lewis is starting to miss boxing. this is his way of attacking the man who many see as the heavyweight champion.

bigdaddy
12-08-2004, 08:06 AM
Lewis needs to come back and get his ass kicked again. He new he was getting his ass kicked and thats why he didn't comeback after that fight.

TheGreat1
12-08-2004, 08:16 AM
Lewis needs to come back and get his ass kicked again. He new he was getting his ass kicked and thats why he didn't comeback after that fight.

u know Ali got beat up by trevor berbick when he was 39. Does that make berbick a better fighter. no it was just a matter of timing. LL ****ed up VK at the end of his career, can u even think what would have happen to VK if LL fought him 5 years prior.

J !
12-08-2004, 08:25 AM
.....Yeah, up until the cut I have never been more convinced of a guy eventualy being the winner of a fight in all my life. One thing I have always had is a sense of the moment. I have a feeling when my teams will lose and when they will win a great deal of the time. It's an unexplainable thing that I know some of you guys feel that's kind of like being in the zone in sports. The body language, the staggering around when hit, the aggresion, the flow, everything favored Vit to destroy Lennox that night. That ****er got a gift from the Jamaican gods like he has never gotten before and he knows it better than anyone. He needs to STFU and go sire some dreadlocked British sissies already.


f*ck me and you talk about bitterness and nuthuggers :D

lets face it there's been tit for tat between lewis and vitali since the fight. I dont think either are scared of one another and i think theres a mutual respect and this stuff is tongue in cheek. Vitali calls out lewis when he knows lewis aint gonna come back with having a child wife etc and settled down, so you could make an argument for vitlai taking cheap shots here.

cue 25 uneducated rants from pro vitali and anti lewis "fans"

truth be known they should both move on so we dont have to listen to this incessent couldda shouldd wouldda bollox eveytime the two are mentioned. Theres a big fat L in the loss column for vitali, thats the only fact you need to know.

b4 i get accused of being a vitali hater, i like him, i just think these things happen in boxing. For f*cks sake Foreman was kicking the **** out of ali fo 8 rounds in the rumble in the jungle., what would have happened if Ali didnt "lucky" with that combination. COs on the scale of the fight to that point thats what it was.

who cares, the result is the result and ali after taking a beating for 8 rounds cos he knew he could complete physically, so he out thought his man, fact is the record clocked a W for Ali and L for foreman.

same thing with lewis vitali.

TheFairPole
12-08-2004, 08:37 AM
I just don't understand all these remarks Lewis is making about Vital! He is making it sound like he was denied the chance to beat Vitali cause the stoppage, cause Vitali was leaning on him and clinching after the uppercut, because he had a disadvantage in training by not having the correct sparring partners,etc. People!!! Vitali had the same disadvantage!!!

If this is the way Lewis felt about the fight and that he would have beaten Vitali if the fight went on then why the **** didn't he want to rematch Vitali!!! He talks all this **** and that he could have proved all this to the world but he didn't! If he truley believed he could beat Vitali then he would have rematched him right away, not talking **** 2 years later from retirement!

Just my humble opinion. ;)

DR. FREECLOUD
12-08-2004, 09:27 AM
f*ck me and you talk about bitterness and nuthuggers :D

lets face it there's been tit for tat between lewis and vitali since the fight. I dont think either are scared of one another and i think theres a mutual respect and this stuff is tongue in cheek. Vitali calls out lewis when he knows lewis aint gonna come back with having a child wife etc and settled down, so you could make an argument for vitlai taking cheap shots here.

cue 25 uneducated rants from pro vitali and anti lewis "fans"

truth be known they should both move on so we dont have to listen to this incessent couldda shouldd wouldda bollox eveytime the two are mentioned. Theres a big fat L in the loss column for vitali, thats the only fact you need to know.

b4 i get accused of being a vitali hater, i like him, i just think these things happen in boxing. For f*cks sake Foreman was kicking the **** out of ali fo 8 rounds in the rumble in the jungle., what would have happened if Ali didnt "lucky" with that combination. COs on the scale of the fight to that point thats what it was.

who cares, the result is the result and ali after taking a beating for 8 rounds cos he knew he could complete physically, so he out thought his man, fact is the record clocked a W for Ali and L for foreman.

same thing with lewis vitali.


first off i would like to say i respect your opinion. what i don't respect is mentioning ali and lewis in the same thread. lewis shouldn't even be named in the same forum for that matter. the ali foreman fight was nothing like you describe. foreman was missing with most of his shots. ali was precise and connecting. sure foreman was the aggressor for most of the fight, but that doesn't mean that he was winning. ali used, for the first time, the rope-a-dope. he made foreman get tired. ali flurried at the end of most of the rounds and actually connected. i can send you a copy of the fight if you like.

as far as the lewis vitaly fight lewis was getting hit. hit alot. and was hurt. sure lewis cut vitaly and bad i must say. we will never know who would really win between vitaly and lewis. i am not of the school that thinks a win is a win. not when it was so clear that the winner was truely the loser. the ali-foreman fight is not a good comparison here.

J !
12-08-2004, 09:36 AM
I respect yours also BP doesnt mean we always have to agree. ;)

Why shouldnt lennox be mentioned in the same breath as Ali two all time top ten Heavies come on...Lennox has every right to be mentioned up there.

I was using the rumble in the jungle as an example mate. Not comparing the two fights however come to think of it you didnt have George up by at least two rounds then???

My point being is you cant change history its happened so its pointless trying to do so with argument many Vit fans on here are attempting to do. It gets a bit dull hearing the same old but ifs and should have beens nearly two years later, tis all.

its futile. that was my point mate.

DR. FREECLOUD
12-08-2004, 10:30 AM
I respect yours also BP doesnt mean we always have to agree. ;)

Why shouldnt lennox be mentioned in the same breath as Ali two all time top ten Heavies come on...Lennox has every right to be mentioned up there.

I was using the rumble in the jungle as an example mate. Not comparing the two fights however come to think of it you didnt have George up by at least two rounds then???

My point being is you cant change history its happened so its pointless trying to do so with argument many Vit fans on here are attempting to do. It gets a bit dull hearing the same old but ifs and should have beens nearly two years later, tis all.

its futile. that was my point mate.


i totally agree that its old and pointless to argue the what ifs. but about ali and lewis in the same breath...naw. i never really thought lewis was near the boxer that ali was. i don't put him in my top 10 heavies of all time although just outside of it. lennox was a very god boxer no doubt. i just don't hink he was as great as everyone else. ;)

hollister
12-08-2004, 10:32 AM
IMO, I think the difference for me was that Ali, although laying back most of the time, would open up for a sec, as if to say "see, I'm just letting you do this, I can hit you anytime I like", Lewis obviously had a much more difficult time establishing himself, to me that is the difference, that and the fact that Foreman had nothing left at the end of round 7, and VK was far from out of gas.

J !
12-08-2004, 10:34 AM
i totally agree that its old and pointless to argue the what ifs. but about ali and lewis in the same breath...naw. i never really thought lewis was near the boxer that ali was. i don't put him in my top 10 heavies of all time although just outside of it. lennox was a very god boxer no doubt. i just don't hink he was as great as everyone else. ;)
fair enough and respect to you, see people can disagree without childish insults!!! ;)

hollister
12-08-2004, 10:35 AM
And as far as I'm concerned, both LL and VK's size will always get in the way of objectively rating them, as even if VK dominates the division, I will always think that he was just a fighter that was able to use his size effectively, as I have said about LL.

urdaddyinAZ
12-08-2004, 10:35 AM
While I respect Lennox for what he gave the fight fans for many years......why doesn't he just shut his mouth. HE RETIRED, why is he even talking about the current fighters in the division....especially in a derogatory tone. If anything he should be an ambassador for the heavyweight division, in respect to the sport and division that made his life! Unless LL is going to come out of retirement and fight Vitali again, then he should just get back to his tea and crumpets.

J !
12-08-2004, 10:37 AM
i think being paid as a commentator you are expected to give your opinions.
kinda defeats the object of being a pundit if you dont. Aint all his fault if the press ask the same old tired questions in fairness. ;)

n14061981
12-08-2004, 10:49 AM
The ongoing discussion about whether who would've won had the fight go on makes no sense.

We all know in boxing fights can turn around and anything can happen. And signs like VK was ahead or LL was coming on are purely hypothetical. Nobody knows what was gonna happen. The only thing we know is that LL won.

hollister
12-08-2004, 11:14 AM
Well I guess that's fair enough, it's going to have to be lol. And Hozay, I'm not a kid, and you dream of the day you acheive the status of shameless fan boy.

baard
03-31-2005, 09:06 AM
Accept for Tyson, Vitali Klitschko is Ali's Frazier right now. What a trilogy that would be, if in Vitali would win a rematch!

Stickman
03-31-2005, 09:14 AM
also, that doesn't mean he was going to loose either, i'm just saying we don't know, and i am not convinced that he was a better fighter than LL

Exactly. Before the fight, I was 100% convinced Lewis was going to win....convinced enough to put $500 on the fight even at very short odds (4/1, but I felt it was money in the bank). After the first round, I was a bit nervous, and nearly **** myself in round two. The fight could've gone either way at any time. It was that close, and one of the best heavyweight fights I've ever seen. I personally think Klitchko would've been the favorite in later rounds because of Lewis' age and conditioning, but again...it could've gone either way at any time, had the cut not led to a stoppage.


Also want to reference the cut.
It was not opened by the tape. It was opened by a hellacious right hand that followed a big left thrown by Lennox in the opening seconds of round 3. Yes, the cut was almost certainly torn further by the tape on the glove, Lennox's head, and more punches, but it was initially opened by a beautiful punch, the exact same punch that KO'd Rahman, and Klitchko took it exceptionally well.

AintGottaClue
03-31-2005, 09:51 AM
im not even gonna jump into this argument, vitali shut the **** up stop calling out lewis, lewis u stfu as well if u gonna talk trash come and fight.

SonnyG8R
03-31-2005, 09:57 AM
(a excerpt from an interview)

It seems that Lennox's got a tooth against Vitali.
--------------------

Can you be specific concerning the unanswered questions about him?

Lewis: Obviously, there is a big stamina question with both brothers. When you have one brother suffering from it, the other one is definitely suffering from it. I was really going to show that point if our fight was allowed to continue because I felt that he was definitely getting tired and I actually brought him in the deep end and now it was time for him to drown. But unfortunately the fight got stopped on the cut, which I caused. So that is one question that needs to be answered. The other question is can he really take it on the chin? The other question is answered already. He definitely gets cut easy and boxing is a sport where it is the survival of the fittest. In his past, he has shown that he does not really have a big heart for if he is injured or something, he cannot weather the storm and go on. These are the answers that we do know, but obviously, there are probably other questions that we need to find out and answer.

What a joke. Lewis was dead on his feet against Vitali. He would have never made it through another round. That cowardly dumbass should either give Vitali the rematch he promised him or STFU!

And while he's at it maybe he can choose a nation of origin. I'm from Jamaica, no I'm Canadian, no wait I'm British hear my gay fake accent. :rolleyes:

baard
03-31-2005, 09:59 AM
I like Vitaly too, but i have to give Lewis credit for his strong come backin the later rounds. Vitaly's defence was just poor in the last rounds.

ejk22
03-31-2005, 11:08 AM
Vitali should just stop with all the Lewis bull**** and stop making excuses about bull**** injuries he has suffered and just fight Rahman. This whole incident is starting to sound as though Vitali is ducking Rahman.

leff
03-31-2005, 11:45 AM
Lewis is bitter at VK but knows he cant beat upp, so he talkes **** instead.

paul750
03-31-2005, 11:53 AM
LL beat VK and could do it again, but he has nothing else to prove, he was a great HW champ, now it's time for VK to make his mark. LL can say whatever he want's like he said, the fights was stopped by a cut that he created, and and continue to damage throughout the fight. It was clear that LL's punches where much more effective than VK's, thats y he won. VK should be happy that the fight was stopped and happy that LL retired when he did.
that's correct,it dosn't matter who is winning a fight, if the guy was cut very bad it had to be stoped, vitali wold have had no face left if it went on much longer, yes he gave lennox a tough fight but that means nothing if the guy was cut to pieces

guru
03-31-2005, 01:33 PM
i thought it was good fight and its hard to say what would have happened had it gone on... lewis was making a comeback, but he was also looking very tired... his age and the fact that he was a little overweight might have ended up playing a factor...

from the replays, i thought the cut was cause by a punch that mostly missed, but caught VK with the side of glove and cut him... i had no problem with the stoppage, although i wanted see more...

in a rematch I have to favor VK, even if it was fought immediately after the 1st fight... lewis has to be aggressive against VK and that's not his style, it opens him up to being hit alot more than he's used too... lewis likes to try and box, but against VK he presses the action to try and get him out of his comfort zone and tire him...

also, i dont see how a guy(VK) with so many late round KO's has a percieved stamina problem....

fight fan
03-31-2005, 02:24 PM
This whole topic is rediculous already! I realize Lewis is just answering questions that are asked of him everytime he is interviewed, but he is trying to draw this picture of himself like we are blind and didn't see the fight! This fight was non-stop action from the opening bell (which Lewis is not too keen on!). Vitali was getting the better of Lewis and even staggered him in round 2. You could see in Lewis' face the urgency of the situation that was put on him. I realize that Lewis was not prepared for Vitali, but he still should have been in top condition since he was supposed to fight Johnson on that same evening, so STFU about Lewis being unprepared! Vitali was not training to fight Lennox Lewis, but still came in top condition! Bad conditioning is not an excuse when you have a scheduled fight, it's stupidity!!! For the last few years even right before the Vitali fight, commentators, Manny Steward and many boxing people have said that Lewis has gotten better in his late 30's! His age was not a factor in this fight! Lewis was murdering his competition leading up to the Johnson (Vitali) fight!

As far as Vitali being washed up as the fight progressed, I have no idea what the hell Lewis was talking about! If anything Lewis was dragging himself around the ring. Vitali was definitely fighting differently than in the first couple of rounds due to the fact that he couldn't see out of one eye anymore, but he was still fighting and staying in there evenly with Lewis at the time of the stoppage! Lewis as the champ, should have given Vitali an immediate rematch since his win was technical, questionable and the majority of viewers and the judges said that VK was winning at the time of the stoppage!!

Vitali is not guilty of bothering poor Lewis and making excuses about anything! Vitali has been pushing for the rematch since the time of the stoppage in the ring because he is (obviously and understandably) disappointed in the outcome! IMO Lewis should have wanted it as well! Lewis has had enough and that is cool and understandable, but he must start rephrasing himself when faced with these questions concerning Vitali or else make the comeback! Talk is cheap!

Sir_Jose
03-31-2005, 03:18 PM
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!! Mr. Soprano
03-31-2005, 07:14 PM
Come on, lets not start bringing pictures into it! http://www.boxing.de/all_images/Klitschko-Lewis-AP-450.jpg

Kimmy
03-31-2005, 07:21 PM
Come on, lets not start bringing pictures into it! http://www.boxing.de/all_images/Klitschko-Lewis-AP-450.jpg
Ouch!! That pic really illustrates Klits punches. Alas, the record stands. Lewis TKO 6. i believe Klit would win a rematch but its not going to happen. Drop the dead ghost!

AintGottaClue
03-31-2005, 07:54 PM
Exactly. Before the fight, I was 100% convinced Lewis was going to win....convinced enough to put $500 on the fight even at very short odds (4/1, but I felt it was money in the bank). After the first round, I was a bit nervous, and nearly **** myself in round two. The fight could've gone either way at any time. It was that close, and one of the best heavyweight fights I've ever seen. I personally think Klitchko would've been the favorite in later rounds because of Lewis' age and conditioning, but again...it could've gone either way at any time, had the cut not led to a stoppage.


Also want to reference the cut.
It was not opened by the tape. It was opened by a hellacious right hand that followed a big left thrown by Lennox in the opening seconds of round 3. Yes, the cut was almost certainly torn further by the tape on the glove, Lennox's head, and more punches, but it was initially opened by a beautiful punch, the exact same punch that KO'd Rahman, and Klitchko took it exceptionally well.


no u r wrong, that big right hand did not land flushly it slided right off the eye lid then after that when they clinched a big head butt was there, but the actually cut was caused by that right hand lennox brought around and slid across he face during the clinch.

klitschko lost cause of a cut, has happened before and will happen again. this whol argument is only here cause of the fact lewis was about to go ( or vitali whatever side your on) if klitschko was winning 6 rounds to 0 then peopel wil lsay lewis was saved by the cut, if lewis was wiining then it would be liek he was gonan KO klitschko anyway.

Torino
03-31-2005, 11:25 PM
Ducking Chris Byrd = 1 IBF Belt
Ducking John Ruiz = 1 WBA Belt

Spraying stickum on your gloves and cutting your opponent to start the third round in order to salvage your legacy after getting your ass kicked in the first and second round? = Forced Retirement and 1 WBC Belt

Refusing to rematch because your mommy said so? = priceless

Pathetic.........

MWCOFSU
04-01-2005, 12:20 AM
Spraying stickum on your gloves and cutting your opponent to start the third round in order to salvage your legacy after getting your ass kicked in the first and second round?


hahaha. well i'd never heard that one before. good one, torino.

Shaolin Bushido
04-01-2005, 12:24 AM
Ducking Chris Byrd = 1 IBF Belt
Ducking John Ruiz = 1 WBA Belt

Spraying stickum on your gloves and cutting your opponent to start the third round in order to salvage your legacy after getting your ass kicked in the first and second round? = Forced Retirement and 1 WBC Belt

Refusing to rematch because your mommy said so? = priceless

Pathetic.........Citing that **** you listed as if it's factual.


Stupid.

Shaolin Bushido
04-01-2005, 12:26 AM
Lewis is bitter at VK but knows he cant beat upp, so he talkes **** instead.Sonny, you oughta check any reputable fan's all-time list before you ever utter any nonsensical **** like that again.

Lewis is bitter at VK? Why? For getting his blood all over Lewis's gloves and trunks?

ejk22
04-01-2005, 11:21 AM
no u r wrong, that big right hand did not land flushly it slided right off the eye lid then after that when they clinched a big head butt was there, but the actually cut was caused by that right hand lennox brought around and slid across he face during the clinch.

klitschko lost cause of a cut, has happened before and will happen again. this whol argument is only here cause of the fact lewis was about to go ( or vitali whatever side your on) if klitschko was winning 6 rounds to 0 then peopel wil lsay lewis was saved by the cut, if lewis was wiining then it would be liek he was gonan KO klitschko anyway.
Sorry but I have to disagree with you on that. It was a solid right hand that opened Vitali up. I have watched this fight a few times and it clearly shows that the cut was opened right after Lewis nailed him with a clean right.

Enayze
04-01-2005, 11:43 AM
He's most likely pissed that Vitali keeps calling him out.

He's frustrated that he's 38, been out of the game for a while yet still gets called out. His past his best so he can't get in the ring and shut him up physically.

So how the hell does insulting Vitali help him out? He's making Vitali seem like a complete loser. Did he forget that complete loser was beating his ass up until the stoppage.

leff
04-01-2005, 12:25 PM
Sonny, you oughta check any reputable fan's all-time list before you ever utter any nonsensical **** like that again.

Lewis is bitter at VK? Why? For getting his blood all over Lewis's gloves and trunks?

For VK retiring him, he knew the people demanded a rematch and he knew he would lose (which he were the first time had he not cut him with the ead of his glove).

Thats why he is bitter and is talking bull****.

Deep in your heart you know it.

loangunZ
04-01-2005, 01:37 PM
...Thats pure bull**** and you know it. Lennox gave him a tape cut that he continued to open as the fight went on. If not for that fluke cut Lennox would have been knocked out within five rounds. The only reason Lennox landed anything significant after the cut is that Vit couldn't see jack ****. I respect you greatone but your dead wrong about Lennox being in control without that gift and having any kind of chance in a rematch. Vit would beat his ass to a bloody pulp and Lennox knows that. Thank god(for his sake) he is smarter than Holy.
That exactly what I though he kept rabbit punching and he came across with the wrist of the glove with the tape and cut him. I though both mean were tired though lennox seemed to be getting his feet undering him before the fight was stopped. Lennosx is like a gossiping girl he talks all nice to your face and then goes behind your back as soon as you turn around to talk **** about you.

AintGottaClue
04-01-2005, 01:43 PM
Sorry but I have to disagree with you on that. It was a solid right hand that opened Vitali up. I have watched this fight a few times and it clearly shows that the cut was opened right after Lewis nailed him with a clean right.


no look at the slow mo reply man

GranTorino
04-01-2005, 06:23 PM
Lennox is a dumb****.