View Full Version : Questions regarding the phillly shell


GhostFighter
06-20-2010, 04:28 AM
I experimenting this style and i feel i can slip and bob more naturally using this and confuse my oppenet but the downsides i have experienced with it is throwing the left hook and jabbing.
With the jab its like grapping my pistol and shooting and throwing the left hook firstly withouth setting it up will be seen much easier then having my fist by my chin.
So how do u throw the left hook and jab with this?

Sam Donald
06-20-2010, 08:35 AM
ask your trainer

Danny Gunz
06-20-2010, 11:45 PM
Im not sure honestly, its fun to mess around with a shell defense in sparring and stuff but dont get to attached because it can get you in some deep waters.

"Shion"
06-23-2010, 06:19 PM
I experimenting this style and i feel i can slip and bob more naturally using this and confuse my oppenet but the downsides i have experienced with it is throwing the left hook and jabbing.
With the jab its like grapping my pistol and shooting and throwing the left hook firstly withouth setting it up will be seen much easier then having my fist by my chin.
So how do u throw the left hook and jab with this?

IMO, stick to regular orthodox style.

Look at Amir Khan, look at JC Chavez.

Those guys and more have become really great fighters without using philly style.

Money Mayweather can use it successfully due to his amazing reflex, but nothing more.

Even so, he still gets caught from time to time doing his showboating.

I am tyler
06-26-2010, 05:54 AM
yeah i agree, probably better to use the normal defense. I used the philly shell the other day sparring with my trainer because i had to. He always tells me not to use it, but my left hand was down and that was my only option. But i pulled it off and he threw about 8 punches and none of them landed and he was like 'good defense'. But i always try and use normal defense. The only thing to do with it is practice but you will get hit a lot.

southpaw2884
06-26-2010, 04:54 PM
your guys opinion what kind of defense did holyfield use.. when he decided to use it lol

BuddyBud
06-26-2010, 09:11 PM
i only get to philly when steepin back and there is enough space on my back its hard when u get cornered coz u have to twist ur body which need good quick reflexes. If not then u'll get caught.

pbmike
06-27-2010, 02:33 AM
fast hands to throw those punches from that stance and also u can lean and twist with a left hook but dont do it to often u can get cought also use a lot of your right striaghts and uppercuts counter is the key make him miss and hit him when he misses fast hands and quick reaction

I am tyler
06-27-2010, 05:27 AM
i only get to philly when steepin back and there is enough space on my back its hard when u get cornered coz u have to twist ur body which need good quick reflexes. If not then u'll get caught.
Really? i think its easier when you are cornered. Thats when i use it sometimes but like you say you have to twist your body.

Holyfiled used a mixture tbh but he normally just paws shots away with his right then tries to counter with his left

FalconsRB
06-27-2010, 04:56 PM
dont imitate anyone's style do what works for you.

southpaw2884
06-27-2010, 08:30 PM
same thing i thought bam bam.. lately i have been watching him.. he was ill... i am southpaw and i have never seen a lefty fight like him.. i mean manny is good.. but evander had technique and a chin and good balance... and heart... but i like to use the philly shell on the inside... not much on the outside though... if i do i try to counter the straight right with my right hook

I am tyler
06-29-2010, 01:54 PM
same thing i thought bam bam.. lately i have been watching him.. he was ill... i am southpaw and i have never seen a lefty fight like him.. i mean manny is good.. but evander had technique and a chin and good balance... and heart... but i like to use the philly shell on the inside... not much on the outside though... if i do i try to counter the straight right with my right hook
yeah same. I never do it on the outside. Only when the opponent is up close and i'm near the ropes. I parry more when i'm on the outside.

cameronpaul
06-29-2010, 03:41 PM
if you want to learn all the ways to best use the philly shell, watch the james toney vs iran barkley fight. toney dominates hard and barely gets hit.

and while fighting philly shell and throwing a left hook, the muscular work is more of a spring unwinding and accellerating to the target, like roy jones, more than the conventional rotate and twist your arm in, like the tyson style hook.

sugar ray robinsons many highlight reels i think show the best left hooks
- some of david tuas left hooks are funny to watch aswell.

I am tyler
07-11-2010, 07:41 AM
if you want to learn all the ways to best use the philly shell, watch the james toney vs iran barkley fight. toney dominates hard and barely gets hit.

and while fighting philly shell and throwing a left hook, the muscular work is more of a spring unwinding and accellerating to the target, like roy jones, more than the conventional rotate and twist your arm in, like the tyson style hook.

sugar ray robinsons many highlight reels i think show the best left hooks
- some of david tuas left hooks are funny to watch aswell.
that is one of the best fights i have seen of james toney...utter brilliance

BG_Knocc_Out
07-11-2010, 08:00 AM
dont imitate anyone's style do what works for you.

Actually, I think it's a great thing to imitate styles so you are able to feel and try out different maneuvers that fit you and your abilities. I just don't think it's a good idea to exclusively imitate one fighter.

The only time I get into philly shell is if I'm safely distanced where I'm out of place of my opponents hooks and uppercuts, or if I'm only the ropes in an attempt to circle out of there.