Happy Fourth of July to all my American friends on here.

May we all remember that the price of freedom isn't free.

God Bless our troops and God Bless the USA.

Happy Fourth of July to all my American friends on here.

May we all remember that the price of freedom isn't free.

God Bless our troops and God Bless the USA.
Here, here! Freedom isn't free ... hence our lust for foreign oil.

Here, here! Freedom isn't free ... hence our lust for foreign oil.
sigh......

Yes Freedom isn't free, it comes at the cost of millions of tortured slaves and the bombing of innocents, USA, USA, USA.

But o yes, is all about the bravery *cough*

sigh......
Yeah, growin up's tough. Can't believe in Santa or John Wayne anymore. Rock Hudson was gay and the US doesn't always champion "Right".

Didn't mean to rain on your barbeque though so eat up ... for tomorrow you may be drafted for a war that no amount of bogus rationalization can explain away. Perhaps there is justice in the world and that guy Bush(I can't bring myself to call him, "President") may be called to task for the blood that is on his hands ... American, Iraqi and the rest.

It's the over riding theme of "The Matrix" ... would you rather face harsh reality or continue the much more comfortable illusion you're accustomed to? Indulge yourself ... as long as you're able.

Here, here! Freedom isn't free ... hence our lust for foreign oil.

you know you're just trolling for attention


Yes Freedom isn't free, it comes at the cost of millions of tortured slaves and the bombing of innocents, USA, USA, USA.

But o yes, is all about the bravery *cough*

Woo hoo, USA! USA! USA! Thanks, its with great pleasure to know that you wacky cannucks love to chant it too :D Sort of makes up for 1812 lol

Um, I know this was just an angst riddern comment but how were millions of slaves tortured in the US's war of independence? Also what bombing of innocents are you referring to, that were a price paid in America's quest for freedom. Isn't that such a lovely word though, ahh... free at last, free at last


Yeah, growin up's tough. Can't believe in Santa or John Wayne anymore. Rock Hudson was gay and the US doesn't always champion "Right".

Didn't mean to rain on your barbeque though so eat up ... for tomorrow you may be drafted for a war that no amount of bogus rationalization can explain away. Perhaps there is justice in the world and that guy Bush(I can't bring myself to call him, "President") may be called to task for the blood that is on his hands ... American, Iraqi and the rest.

It's the over riding theme of "The Matrix" ... would you rather face harsh reality or continue the much more comfortable illusion you're accustomed to? Indulge yourself ... as long as you're able.

Come on buddy, ya can still believe in ol' Kris Kringlez! As for that ruffian John Wayne, I'm pretty sure he's fictional. No idea who Rock Hudson is, name sounds familiar, you must be old. ;)

Is it really fair to hold any human controlled entity to a perfect level of accountability? You're only setting yourself up for failure, as we're all human. Well, maybe not MCM, she seems like super mom at times... I think she's obviously not from this planet.

I love a light rain! Even a good hard, thundering showers nice too, just sit on the porch, watch the rain, tree limbs blowing around... and hot choclate, yum! Oh, ha ha, a few of us can't be drafted :) Still, don't be a tool, you know you can't be drafted tommorrow. Even Biden who so eloquently initiated all those rumors, proposal bills, etc. was only doing it for political leverage with no intent of it actually happening. Oh geez, the Blood that is on Bush's hands, like thats an original statement.

Gob bless USA!! God save the queen!! Eeee...mmmm...wait...Anarchy in UK? Damn...

:usa: this smilie represents the picture of those at IwoJima and there was also an eeriely similar picture taken after 9/11.

Wizard, I think your post was in bad taste and you used poor judgement. The Fourth of July is our celebration of signing the Declaration of Independence. We take the time to remember those who gave their lives for our freedom that we have now, and we also remember those who are currently fighting for us to MAINTAIN that freedom.

I generally don't like to judge others, I respect that others have an opinion on political issues as well as moral ones.

But this time you showed no such respect to me and my post. My BIL gave his life 10 years ago after being in the Gulf War. That was not a war that we started. But we fought in it because we were asked to help. I swear to God that if we ever meet face to face, I'm gonna take you out behind the proverbial barn and teach you a lesson or two on respect.

I don't give a rat's ass what you think about my country, but at least have enough respect for me and let me have my celebration and my post without you hijacking it or ruining it.


OH! TOO LATE! Thanks alot Wizard. :mad:


God Bless the USA. :usa2:

Wowzers.


sdfsdfds

:usa: this smilie represents the picture of those at IwoJima and there was also an eeriely similar picture taken after 9/11.

Wizard, I think your post was in bad taste and you used poor judgement. The Fourth of July is our celebration of signing the Declaration of Independence. We take the time to remember those who gave their lives for our freedom that we have now, and we also remember those who are currently fighting for us to MAINTAIN that freedom.

I generally don't like to judge others, I respect that others have an opinion on political issues as well as moral ones.

But this time you showed no such respect to me and my post. My BIL gave his life 10 years ago after being in the Gulf War. That was not a war that we started. But we fought in it because we were asked to help. I swear to God that if we ever meet face to face, I'm gonna take you out behind the proverbial barn and teach you a lesson or two on respect.

I don't give a rat's ass what you think about my country, but at least have enough respect for me and let me have my celebration and my post without you hijacking it or ruining it.


OH! TOO LATE! Thanks alot Wizard. :mad:


God Bless the USA. :usa2:


That war is not to maintain your freedom *****!!!!!

That's right everyone, I said it!!!!! She thretened me so I have a right, I didn't threaten her. And for the record, I've never hit a women, but if you tryed to take me behind a barn for a "lesson" I'd treat like a man because you'd be acting like one.

My post was short and had little substance, you come back with this national garbage again **** YOU. This holiday represents the birth of america, I made comments that america was built on slaves which it was, don't deny it with your rhetoric. Secondly, America is responsible for more civilian deaths by bombing then anyone else by far.

I hijacked your thread? My post was like one sentence, you could have ignored it but because you were given confidence from that ather rightwing extremist *****, you got your tit's in a knot, JESUS WOULD NOT BE PROUD OF YOU!!!

you know you're just trolling for attention




Woo hoo, USA! USA! USA! Thanks, its with great pleasure to know that you wacky cannucks love to chant it too :D Sort of makes up for 1812 lol

Um, I know this was just an angst riddern comment but how were millions of slaves tortured in the US's war of independence? Also what bombing of innocents are you referring to, that were a price paid in America's quest for freedom. Isn't that such a lovely word though, ahh... free at last, free at last




Come on buddy, ya can still believe in ol' Kris Kringlez! As for that ruffian John Wayne, I'm pretty sure he's fictional. No idea who Rock Hudson is, name sounds familiar, you must be old. ;)

Is it really fair to hold any human controlled entity to a perfect level of accountability? You're only setting yourself up for failure, as we're all human. Well, maybe not MCM, she seems like super mom at times... I think she's obviously not from this planet.

I love a light rain! Even a good hard, thundering showers nice too, just sit on the porch, watch the rain, tree limbs blowing around... and hot choclate, yum! Oh, ha ha, a few of us can't be drafted :) Still, don't be a tool, you know you can't be drafted tommorrow. Even Biden who so eloquently initiated all those rumors, proposal bills, etc. was only doing it for political leverage with no intent of it actually happening. Oh geez, the Blood that is on Bush's hands, like thats an original statement.
Hmm, with all the involuntary extensions you could make a case that there's already a draft of sorts in effect. With the recruiting and retention problems they have along with the requirements they'll need in Iraq well into the next decade and beyond it's no great leap to suggest a draft.

Holding Bush to a perfect level of responsibility? That would be difficult. How about reasonable? The man lied and orchestrated a huge misinformation campaign to lead us into a war that has blown up in his face and led to the deaths of thousands; many of our own young people who will only serve as fertilizer for cemetaries across our country instead of as fathers, mothers, leaders of tommorrow ....

I think the imagery of a cretin with bloody hands is most appropriate for that babbling ninny.

You've obviously begun your celebration by your post; you have more to fear from being shot by a supposed patriot out firing his guns like a fool or drunk driving than a draft or anything else. Only thing most are celebrating is being off work. Give someone your keys and keep your head down.

Happy 4th.

Gob bless USA!! God save the queen!! Eeee...mmmm...wait...Anarchy in UK? Damn...
:haha: http://filipinoalliance.com/images/smiles/eusa_dance.gif :haha: http://filipinoalliance.com/images/smiles/icon_confused2.gif

That war is not to maintain your freedom *****!!!!!

That's right everyone, I said it!!!!! She thretened me so I have a right, I didn't threaten her. And for the record, I've never hit a women, but if you tryed to take me behind a barn for a "lesson" I'd treat like a man because you'd be acting like one.

My post was short and had little substance, you come back with this national garbage again **** YOU. This holiday represents the birth of america, I made comments that america was built on slaves which it was, don't deny it with your rhetoric. Secondly, America is responsible for more civilian deaths by bombing then anyone else by far.

I hijacked your thread? My post was like one sentence, you could have ignored it but because you were given confidence from that ather rightwing extremist *****, you got your tit's in a knot, JESUS WOULD NOT BE PROUD OF YOU!!!


I guess you told me. :rolleyes:


You told me what your true maturity level is, that's for sure.


I started a thread concerning an American holiday. Why is it that you felt the need to post a sarcastic comment concerning an AMERICAN holiday is beyond me.

My country isn't perfect, but it is my country. Not one single country is perfect but I am damn sick and tired of people like you, (meaning someone who has never lived here) bashing my country.

I don't bash your country or in fact, anyone else's. I was angry at you for your lack of respect. I HATE that no matter who is from where.

Yes, we had slaves, so did other countries. Why is it that we're treated as if we're the only ones who've ever had them?

Ever notice that when a country is in trouble, they call on the U.S. to bail them out? But as soon as we do, they want us to get the hell out? No 'thank you', no respect, etc.

You showed no respect for my post Wizard. That's why I threatened to take you out behind the 'proverbial barn' and teach you a thing or two about RESPECT.

Obviously I scared you enough to 'make' you call me a *****.
Is there something wrong that you can't argue effectively with me without resorting to name calling and rude comments?

Let me know when you've grown up enough to argue like an adult.

Jesus ****ing christ, what the **** is your problem Wizard? Today is our Countrys independance day and we cant have a celebratory thread without you coming in saying some bull**** and trying to put down our country? Every ****ing time someone says somthing about america you just come in and put it down. Your first ****ing post here was about how american fighters are not any good. Do you really hate america/americans so much that you have to attack us every time you see someone post somthing about it?

Gob bless USA!! God save the queen!! Eeee...mmmm...wait...Anarchy in UK? Damn...

Tu eres el unico hijo de moros que yo respeto aqui. Leather hijo de morossssssssssss, algun nos encontraremos, putilla. I love you, mandame la botella de absintoooooooooooooo!!!!!!!1111111

Algun dia, puta.

Que pasa perrilla!! Eso de hijo de moros lo tendríamos que ver: ascendencia mora segurísimo que tengo pero también algo de godo, y encima mis apellidos son castellanos de cojones!!

En cuanto a la absenta...si es que no tengo vergüenza!! Me cago en la virgen que por mis cojones te la mando (antes o después), palabra!

Y a ver si se te ocurre (por alguna casualidad) pasarte por Barcelona, pedazo de cabrón, que seguro que tu ganas más que yo para pegarte un viaje...

I think everybody is blowing everything a little out of proportion here. Honestly, when I first read Wizard's post, I took it as a sarcastic remark. Nothing more, nothing less. Maybe it's because I'm not American or something. I just don't see the big deal, really. The USA is the most powerful country in the world, so without a doubt, people from other countries are gonna throw stones. That's just the way it is. Everybody needs to relax here.

Wizard does have a valid point about slavery and civilian deaths. The US had slavery for a hell of a lot longer than any other country that pops into my head at the moment. Not to mention the US whiped out TWO Japanese cities in one day with atomic weapons. The US can't deny that they whiped out more innocent people, women & children, in one day than any other country in recorded history. I'm sure the Japanese children were thinking "God bless America" when they're faces were running off their skulls.

Anyways, I love the US. I love American TV, American women, American sports and American music. Happy 4th of July. Mellow the **** out.

The US can't deny that they whiped out more innocent people, women & children, in one day than any other country in recorded history.

had the Roman, Persian, Greek, Egyptian, Russian, British, French, Spanish or any other empire, had nuclear technology back in those dayz then you would have seen worse. Every country that's had dominate political history has committed vicious acts of murder as a trade off for it's moments of peace and prosperity. every great empire also built itself off slavery.

not to say it's right. it's just history. would it happen nowadayz? probably not but ya never know. mankind has a history of learning from it's history.....not for the sake of avoiding the same mistakes, just simply customizing their own revised versions.

i agree w/ ya that everyone's gonna throw stones at us. we've been posting for over 3 years on here & sherdog and it's always the same ****. but i also agree w/ MCM & Sara in that it's in bad taste and just overall stupid.

and, in my opinion, wizerd's rants aren't too sincere because if he was really into tearing into the hypocracy of worldwide injustice then we'd be hearing more than just anti-American ****. where's the long posts about the ****ed up Rwanda genocide that cost over 5 million lives just a couple years ago?
and if we're so inapt to grinding on a nation's past, what about all of the other countries that have exploited slavery in history? why isn't he bashing modern Germany for Hitler's acts? granted, we ****ed up. but we're also the only country in history that continually strives to make retribution for acts committed over 100-400 years ago. yet slave built Egyptian pyramids are considered a 'world wonder' and i don't hear any complaining.

why?
cause it aint popular. it's not trendy. bashing America by comparing us to a Star Wars or Matrix epic seems to be the 'in' thing cause it makes the common person feel enlightened- due to their sources, and also gives a sense of purpose- due to their rebel-like outlashes on injustices they choose to find. nonetheless, it doesn't make you wise to find injustice. look around, it's everywhere. and it's never gone away. and sources aren't hard to find with internet access.
people like him don't care about injustice because anyone who sincerely dislikes injustice strives for JUSTICE. one's efforts may go towards exploiting injustice but they'll ALSO go to primarily promoting justice through acts and inspiration if they truely gave a ****.

but i never see any of that. and for every arrogent blinded American dip**** on message boards, there's at least 20 hippy trolls (from countries that, even though are prosperous in their own rights, have also been largly influenced by America in a positive way) that will turn any topic into an America/Nazi shpeal for the sake of their own personal pride. trust me ****ers, nobody's fallin for it. we're not impressed. and don't tell me that you don't care about our opinions because when you make bold comments you're looking for a reaction. so i hope this assists you in, not just seeing that you're an ass, but also WHY i feel you're an ass. now if you'll excuse me, i have to go make money off people with bad credit while i finish off this white chocolate mocha frapa ****in thing from Starbucks :)

Well said Purity.

thanx however i should have included the Mongolian empire in my examples. Khan kicked ass. especially the Khan in bill and ted's cause that Khan went wild with the baseball bat in that sports store. i loved that part!

draft=cesaro leaves the country
it's that simple

you won't get drafted.

yeah, i have too many medical issues anyway

but i never see any of that. and for every arrogent blinded American dip**** on message boards, there's at least 20 hippy trolls (from countries that, even though are prosperous in their own rights, have also been largly influenced by America in a positive way) that will turn any topic into an America/Nazi shpeal for the sake of their own personal pride. trust me ****ers, nobody's fallin for it. we're not impressed. and don't tell me that you don't care about our opinions because when you make bold comments you're looking for a reaction. so i hope this assists you in, not just seeing that you're an ass, but also WHY i feel you're an ass. now if you'll excuse me, i have to go make money off people with bad credit while i finish off this white chocolate mocha frapa ****in thing from Starbucks :)

This has in no way assisted me in seeing that I'm an ass. You've failed.

sorry. i quoted you but i was referring 2 wizard by the time i got to that point. then he quit posting. what a rebel.

you scared him, you don't have heart...

... um, everyone? Just ignore my posts like you normally do ... I was just sayin, is all ...

ok sheep****er's sig has GOT to go.

Hey why's everyone ganging up on Wizard? *shakes head*

*To no one in particular* "Mob justice." This could get ugly real quick.

Btw, I said the **** about The Matrix but ... it was just a post about reality and the choice we all have to live in it or not. The point being, having a raised conciousness is a good thing ... unless the deluison you're currently living in is preferable. ie, beneficial, more attractive, self-serving, etc ....

I recognize SOME things as being different than I initially thought so I reconsider how I perceive it. I don't perceive EVERYTHING clearly so I comment on those things I have an opinion on, given the limited amount of intelligence, education, experience and information I have to form my views with.

Basically I hate Bush but I love my country and our soldiers who are willing to risk their lives for it's interests. I think Bush is more of a capitalist and an opportunist than a commander in chief who's only interest is his people and their well being. I truly believe he's conflicted concerning his own agenda and what's best for this country. Time will tell, so there's no need to argue about that.

Not saying I'm right but my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. Obviously, I could be wrong.

All I wanted to do was make my post without it turning into some controversy. Just the fact that I am an American and I am proud of my country is talk for controversy if I post something about it.

How about some respect? Wizard didn't show any. THAT'S what made me mad. If he had made a real post and not some sarcastic ****, then I would have most likely ignored it.

Maybe if we all just start respecting each other a bit more, we'd have more peaceful times ahead.

Hel-lo-oooo, Wizard ain't all that considerate. It's been pretty obvious since post # 1 of his and with little exception that's the way it's been with him.

It's just more noticeable when it's your toes getting stepped on, MCM. Shake it off, it's not worth the aggravation.

Of course there is just a tad bit of satisfaction as I noted very few posters here objected when he came off that way to others. Maybe you really haven't noticed it before now. Hahaha, let it go. You'll feel better.

Hel-lo-oooo, Wizard ain't all that considerate. It's been pretty obvious since post # 1 of his and with little exception that's the way it's been with him.

It's just more noticeable when it's your toes getting stepped on, MCM. Shake it off, it's not worth the aggravation.

Of course there is just a tad bit of satisfaction as I noted very few posters here objected when he came off that way to others. Maybe you really haven't noticed it before now. Hahaha, let it go. You'll feel better.


Letting go of someone disrespecting you is like saying it's ok to do that.

Yeah but what are the consequences of you being angry and responding to disrespectful posts? You'll feel bad about something you may say in anger or you'll internalize your frustration with him which is not good for you physically or mentally. I mean the options are just not good to continue a negative dialogue with someone who could care less who's right or wrong, who's hurt or embarassed.

You won't change that guy and basically there's no remedy on the internets for being disrespected. Cut your losses, his insensitivity and your civility and maturity is a recipe for more frustration and hurt feelings on your part.

I know of what I speak.

i disagree. he popped off stupid ****, got tooled, and ran off the site. when hippies look like idiots then i get a mild degree of satisfaction.

Yeah but what are the consequences of you being angry and responding to disrespectful posts? You'll feel bad about something you may say in anger or you'll internalize your frustration with him which is not good for you physically or mentally. I mean the options are just not good to continue a negative dialogue with someone who could care less who's right or wrong, who's hurt or embarassed.

You won't change that guy and basically there's no remedy on the internets for being disrespected. Cut your losses, his insensitivity and your civility and maturity is a recipe for more frustration and hurt feelings on your part.

I know of what I speak.


I disagree too. For different reasons. How many of us on here have actually thought about what someone else has said? (or posted?) I know I have. I've learned a few things, I've seen something from someone else's point of view, and I've actually changed my mind on some issues because of those postings. Not everyone is like that, I know. But there is always hope. The main thing that I ask for is RESPECT.

Wizard has a right to say what he wants, but I request that it be done respectfully, at least with me. Bashing my country is not the way. But he does need to remember that because he has the right to speak freely, it's because of what past Americans have done and what current ones are doing. Whether or not he agrees with it is besides the point. Even the Canadians can speak freely because of what battles Americans have fought.

i think he is leaving the site for good he started a thread in the lounge saying the mma part of this site sucked and he isnt here for anything but that.

ANYWAYS how was everyones 4th? i didnt bother reading the whole thread so if you already posted what you did forgive me lol
i had a real good time

i disagree. he popped off stupid ****, got tooled, and ran off the site. when hippies look like idiots then i get a mild degree of satisfaction.
Honestly ... I hope you're right. I doubt it though; he'll be back. Btw, 13-15's my guess.

I feel that much dumber for arguing with a child. I wonder if I can catch a charge. :footinmou

Thanks for asking Agony.

Mine was great! I went sailing!!!