View Full Version : Big Black: "Dana Used Kimbo"


snakerattle79
06-19-2010, 05:40 PM
http://thegarv.com/Exclusive-Interview-MTV-s-Big-Black-on-MMA.html

KALIN: Aside from Brett Rogers, who are some big name fighters that you are sponsoring or have your eyes on sponsoring?

BB: I'm going to start sponsoring King Mo Lawal. There's a few other Strikeforce guys that I have my eye on. I don't really deal with the UFC much. That's an organization where the guys aren't allowed to do much. It's like one or two guys make all the money and the rest can't get much.

KALIN: We'll get back to your view on the UFC here in a minute, but first King Mo is a great guy and I think you two will make a great team on that sponsorship deal.

BB: Exactly. I held a mirror for him in his fight against Mousassi. He had to look good. I like his personality man. He's good for the sport. He doesn't take himself seriously. There's nothing worse than a fighter who takes himself too seriously. King Mo is in the gym joking and walks to the ring with a crown and dancing girls. I really like Mayhem Miller.

KALIN: Speaking of Mayhem, what did you think about the post fight brawl in Nashville?

BB: It was unfortunate that it happened, but I feel that there was too many people in the cage to begin with. I feel like the Diaz brothers shouldn't of been in there. I think the only people that should have been in there was Jake Shields, his trainers, the ref, Gus Johnson, and then if they wanted bring Mayhem in.

KALIN: Now that Kimbo has been cut from the UFC there is a chance of him potentially making the move to Strikeforce down the road. Is that a fighter that you would be interested in sponsoring?

BB: You know what man Kimbo has his own set of sponsorships. I like Kimbo as a person, I like his management, but I feel like Dana White used him. Dana White called the guy out, got him on his Ultimate Fighter show, got the best ratings on ****e TV ever for that show, gave the guy two fights, and then dumped him. If that ain't a used situation, then I don't know what is. If they didn't have Kimbo then the ratings on that season of The Ultimate Fighter would have been trash. I feel like he should of given Kimbo at least four fights before he put him out of the organization considering he won his debut. I feel like Dana White totally used him and I would totally welcome him to Strikeforce. I would like to see him and Brett Rogers fight because in Elite XC those guys were mouthing off and trying to get something going. I would like to see Kimbo fight Brett, Bobby Lashley, and somebody with a more similar style to his. He's been fighting bigger guys. Mitrione is a pretty huge dude. I just feel like he was used by the UFC and then pushed aside.

KALIN: Whenever I'm talking or writing about a situation I try to be as real as I can about things. In the UFC Kimbo was 1-1 with his only loss being to an undefeated fighter. Between him having an even record and bringing in monster ratings, I don't see how the UFC could of let him go. Kimbo himself claims to not be a good fighter, but that he tries his hardest and keeps trying to improve. Makes me feel bad for the guy.

BB: Well look at UFC. Mr. White bad mouthed Mr. Coker about bringing in Herschel Walker and then he turns around and brings in James Toney. At least Herschel has been doing karate all of his life and is a black belt. The mans been doing some type of mixed martial arts his whole life. To criticize one organization and say that they're bringing in an over the hill guy and then you bring in Toney...that's contradictory and hypocritical. That's why I don't really watch UFC. That's why I like Strikeforce, because I can go to a fight and I can see a father with his son at the fight, eating popcorn, and not spending $300 for just decent seats. It's not restricted to corporate sponsors and people who have the money to see it. I don't want to see that as a consumer. I'd rather see something on CBS where people can watch it for free or Showtime or something of that nature. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching UFC the times that I do, but I would never attend a fight. I don't want to go.

KALIN: What about how Scott Coker handles his business makes you such a big supporter?

BB: I love how Mr. Coker handles business. He's a great and outstanding guy. He's a great business man and I like him as a person. I've talked to him on many occasions and he's just a great outstanding person. I like how he runs his organization. I wish Strikeforce nothing but luck. Whenever they do an event the UFC always tries to rival it, but there's enough money to go around with everybody. There's enough fans to where if you like Strikeforce you like Strikeforce. If you like UFC you like UFC. Like somebody told me, when you think of tissues, you think of Kleenex. UFC is the Kleenex of mixed martial arts, but there are other brands that you can use. There's other brands that work and do very well. I think that Strikeforce is a very organized and doing well organization. You're going to see in the fall how good these guys really are. There's a lot of stuff on the horizon that nobody is talking about that's going to be real big for Strikeforce.

KALIN: Why is Fedor not fighting Overeem for the title?

BB: Well Overeem was over in his neck of the woods in Japan fighting and doing his thing and there was a problem with Fedor and his contract and what was going on in that end. I guarantee that if Fedor beats Fabricio Werdum on the 26th you might just see that fight. Like I said before, there is something really big coming this fall with Strikeforce. Just be watching. Just be watching, because they will set the MMA attendance record before the UFC does. Watch what I tell you.

M Deezy
06-19-2010, 09:48 PM
well thats a no brainer really. I think everyone knew dana white only wanted kimbo for the ratings he would bring in. Dana knew kimbo wouldnt last so he milked him big time. Hey i dont blame him, when u got someone like kimbo who is a rating machine why wouldnt take advantage of that?

ANACONDA
06-20-2010, 02:00 AM
...............No ****?

Kakutogi-Gumi
06-20-2010, 03:43 AM
Actually he grabbed Kimbo to defuse him, while making money in the process.

Kakutogi-Gumi
06-20-2010, 03:48 AM
Also, the Walker/Toney comparison is downright silly.

Virgil Caine
06-20-2010, 07:41 AM
Also, the Walker/Toney comparison is downright silly.

It's really not when you think about it. Neither guy is ever expected to do much aside from make a few fights which have no real baring on divisional standings. Neither guy is ever expected to make any sort of a run as a contender. Both guys are in there as crossover stars from other sports.

And the point wasn't to compare them, the point was to highlight Dana White hypocrisy.

$BloodyNate$
06-20-2010, 07:52 AM
The Toney-Walker comparison is downright retarded. He tried saying at least Walker did karate. HAHAHAHAHAHA are you ****ing kidding me? Boxing is ten times better sport for MMA then karate will ever be. Karate is mostly about discipline and you don't even hit in the face. No holds or nothing. Boxing you throw fists, their is holding and clinching, and it makes you lighter on your feet.

What a joke.

Virgil Caine
06-20-2010, 08:41 AM
The Toney-Walker comparison is downright retarded. He tried saying at least Walker did karate. HAHAHAHAHAHA are you ****ing kidding me? Boxing is ten times better sport for MMA then karate will ever be. Karate is mostly about discipline and you don't even hit in the face. No holds or nothing. Boxing you throw fists, their is holding and clinching, and it makes you lighter on your feet.

What a joke.

Machida is 100x more successful in MMA than the most successful boxer ever to compete.

Karate does not refer to just one style, there are innumerable variations. Also, some competition forms do include punches to the face.

Again though, in my judgment the purpose of the comparison is almost entirely the reasons which I gave above.

Kakutogi-Gumi
06-21-2010, 04:01 AM
Okay.

Walker is a Football player who did some TKD on side. Something for the offseason.

Toney is a pro boxer. He hits people with his fists for money.

$ LegenD $
06-21-2010, 10:29 AM
gotta agree that walker-toney comparison was straight hilarious....get real BB

Junito-Rulez
06-21-2010, 11:18 AM
Like somebody told me, when you think of tissues, you think of Kleenex. UFC is the Kleenex of mixed martial arts, but there are other brands that you can use.

:haha::haha::haha:

Virgil Caine
06-21-2010, 11:22 AM
Okay.

Walker is a Football player who did some TKD on side. Something for the offseason.

Toney is a pro boxer. He hits people with his fists for money.

Once again, this isn't really the point. It's not about their fighting style, it is about the fact that both are carrying fame from another sport and neither is ever expected to make a splash.

Also, in football you take people down. In MMA you also take people down. So therefore, football is like MMA. Seriously, this is about how the boxing is like MMA line looks to me. The idea that boxers have this remarkable ingrained potential to compete in MMA is hog-snot in my mind. Boxing is one element, along side a bunch of other elements. Sort of like strength, size, and tackling ability is another element.

Seriously, the above is not a serious argument from me, it is more akin to ridicule. The comparison is about their respective persona. Frankly, it's not a bad comparison imo.

Virgil Caine
06-21-2010, 12:16 PM
On a side note, a "pure" football player in Bob Sapp has had a much better run in MMA of any "pure" boxer. Yeah, the comparison of boxing vs football is silly. What is more silly though is to reduce the quotes to such a silly comparison.

And American football probably has a better track record, in truth. And I wouldn't put it past Sapp to beat Toney. I wouldn't put it past Mitrione either, or even Walker for that matter.

Now you see what you've done, you've pushed me into analyzing Sapp-Toney.

PopoFreitas
06-21-2010, 02:39 PM
Wow.

People are really comparing a football player with no martial art experience with a boxing champion and former p4p fighter in a BOXING FORUM?

Really? Not even in an MMA forum someone would post this kind of **** without getting bashed.

Sapp was a 360 pounds (<9% body fat ) roided up dude fighting 220 pounds guys. He succeeded because of that not because he was a "football" player.

Gorilla Dogs
06-21-2010, 09:40 PM
used him? that ma fkka gave him a career and kimbo fked it up

phallus
06-21-2010, 11:05 PM
It's really not when you think about it. Neither guy is ever expected to do much aside from make a few fights which have no real baring on divisional standings. Neither guy is ever expected to make any sort of a run as a contender. Both guys are in there as crossover stars from other sports.

And the point wasn't to compare them, the point was to highlight Dana White hypocrisy.

the best example of dana white hypocrisy i've ever heard is him saying how hershel walker is almost 50 years old when he's really only 6 months older than randy couture, i was laughing pretty hard at that one

DR.ORGYY
06-21-2010, 11:06 PM
no ****...........