im sick of ppl claiming rjj wasnt a great fighter and he didnt fight great fighters...its funny how james toney and hopkins get more respect then jones and he mad them both look like **** in their fight...when roy demolished montel griffin ..griffin was a very good fighter ..bottom ****in line..any boxer who goes 12 13 years and dominates every person is a great fighter...he has a super middleweight frame and he bet a heavyweight...hagler monzon mcclean or even most of u europeans boyfriends calzaghe and michaelski would never have the heart to fight a heavyweight..and once again RJJ haters go to hell!!

Cry me a river.

Nothing Rjj Did Was Ever Appreciated??


Whatever you see in this forum is an appreciation of RJJ, of sorts. Posters appreciate RJJ one way or the other.

it's true, i mean you can make an arguement that roy ducked so and so and what not, the bottom line is, in his prime he was unstoppable, without a doubt the greatest fighter of this generation.

Roy Jones is a great fighter but on the all-time great scale he won't rank real high. He's fast hands and tremendous reflexes will put him up their with the greats but the truely all-time greats will rank ahead of him always.

im sick of ppl claiming rjj wasnt a great fighter and he didnt fight great fighters...its funny how james toney and hopkins get more respect then jones and he mad them both look like **** in their fight...when roy demolished montel griffin ..griffin was a very good fighter ..bottom ****in line..any boxer who goes 12 13 years and dominates every person is a great fighter...he has a super middleweight frame and he bet a heavyweight...hagler monzon mcclean or even most of u europeans boyfriends calzaghe and michaelski would never have the heart to fight a heavyweight..and once again RJJ haters go to hell!!
Oh shut the **** up.
Stop crying over RJJ.
He deserved everything that has happened to him recently and a hell of a lot more.
Nothing he did was ever appreciated by me.

Seriously, how can you type with RJJ's **** in your mouth?

While there have always been so much Jones-bashing, it cannot really be said that Roy was not appreciated. The money he has raked in over the years from boxing and direct residuals could not have all come from people who don't respect him. :)

the only thing i ever appreciated about roy waws seeing him get ktfo....twice....in a row.....rotflmao!!!!!!!!!

I always thought Roy Jones was a great fighter and I still do. He is kind of like a Bernard Hopkins who picked a weight and stayed there beating all challengers for years. Roy only decided to really challenge himself a couple years ago when he moved up and fought Ruiz. I think its just his time. Too bad for him and his fans, he had to find out it was his time to go the hard way.

I always thought Roy Jones was a great fighter and I still do. He is kind of like a Bernard Hopkins who picked a weight and stayed there beating all challengers for years. Roy only decided to really challenge himself a couple years ago when he moved up and fought Ruiz. I think its just his time. Too bad for him and his fans, he had to find out it was his time to go the hard way.

This is incorrect.
Roy Jones stared his career, in '89 at 154.
He beat Hopkins in '93, at 160.....Toney in '94, at 168....then he went up & beat a # of lt. heavies from late '96 until he fought Tarver this year.

Roy Jones has moved up & been very successful throughout his entire career.

Whether you like Roy Jones or you hate him, we can all agree on one thing...he's finished. So can we leave it at that? Moving on.....

I predict Tyson will clean the division ...

Whether you like Roy Jones or you hate him, we can all agree on one thing...he's finished. So can we leave it at that? Moving on.....

I predict Tyson will clean the division ...


You are being sarcastic, I hope.

This is incorrect.
Roy Jones stared his career, in '89 at 154.
He beat Hopkins in '93, at 160.....Toney in '94, at 168....then he went up & beat a # of lt. heavies from late '96 until he fought Tarver this year.

Roy Jones has moved up & been very successful throughout his entire career.

My bad. What i meant was he choose to stay at light heavy and dominate that division. Similar to Hopkins dominating the middles.

My bad. What i meant was he choose to stay at light heavy and dominate that division. Similar to Hopkins dominating the middles.


He stayed at 175 for a very long time. He unified part of the crown (against Regiie Johnson).
He made a ****load of defenses there, also.

Listen....I've never been a "fan" of Roy. A lot of what he did was a turn-off....but I refuse to listen to people knock how good he was or what he accomplished.

Be objective, people.

despite his accomplishments and talents, i cant put him in the same league as leonard, hagler, duran, hearns and to a certain extent hopkins, a man he beat....

Oh shut the **** up.
Stop crying over RJJ.
He deserved everything that has happened to him recently and a hell of a lot more.
Nothing he did was ever appreciated by me.

Seriously, how can you type with RJJ's **** in your mouth?


Cynical you are an idiot.

Hey, the fans really appreciated RJJ. Who made him rich anyway?

Its the paying fans. RJJ got so much money, he just wants to sing. So appreciate his singing!!!!!

We all gave him credit when he beat the weakest heavyweight title holder of the 3 in John Ruiz for the WBA title. We also gave him mad credit for getting ko'ed by a longshot underdog and giving me a $175 payout for my skepticism. Roy Jones simply hasn't done anything worthy of credit in 10 years, so why now?

Roy got alot of **** done. He was an accomplished middleweight (especially when we look back on his win over HOpkins), probably the best Super Middleweight EVER. And a maybe top 10 all time lightheavy.

All in all, he is a first ballot hall of famer, no way around it.

Roy got alot of **** done. He was an accomplished middleweight (especially when we look back on his win over HOpkins), probably the best Super Middleweight EVER. And a maybe top 10 all time lightheavy.

All in all, he is a first ballot hall of famer, no way around it.
True, but he will never be the best pound for pound champ. Sugar Ray Robinson gave Lamotta 6 fights, Jones ducked Toney for 10 years. Roy is simply not a great warrior, a great boxer, but no inspirational story. He makes Frank Bruno look like Jake Lamotta.

Cynical you are an idiot.
Nope.
Just someone who has never bought into the RJJ bull**** machine.

if only you would quit with all the rubbish you have been spilling about Jones, we respect an opinion but do you have to force yours on other people with such obnoxiousness?
some of us value Jones and like him as a fighter and as a man, respect our opinions and shut up.

if only you would quit with all the rubbish you have been spilling about Jones, we respect an opinion but do you have to force yours on other people with such obnoxiousness?
some of us value Jones and like him as a fighter and as a man, respect our opinions and shut up.

I can see as how you would value Jones as a fighter, but how someone can possibly value this guy as man is just flat out dumb.

why cant we value him as a man either.

He stay quiet on his ranch most of the time and hes flamboyant in interviews. The first thing that I liked about Roy when i seen him was his showmanship. He made boxing entertaining.

You ****in Roy haters are relentless. You act like people who like Roy only like Roy. That isnt true I like lots of fighters inclduing Tarver. Roy haters are a waste of time and they jus love disagreeing you sound like ****in two year olds.

So what would you think about a fighter who is supposed to be a non biased commentator for HBO who makes comments like these when a fighter gets upset and loses. Let's just say that someone on HBO said this after RJJ got KTFO by soft hitting Glen Johnson.

"Its not so much of his chin as it is his heart though. He's like a dog that can't fight from the bottom. Nope he did not (ever have heart), because he never had it, its just that he was so big that you never got the chance to see him fight from the downside...Probably it (retiring) would be a good idea for him to because he's only a six round fighter and only Butterbean can really handle that...They cannot take what they dish out." Talk about kicking someone when he is down.

You can love him or hate him . . . but one thing sure this guy has skills and he has contributed to this sports . . . so give him the credit that is rightfully his.

Why do you find pleasure on pulling a FIGHTER down when he is already down?

Wake up brothers . . . don't get caught in your HATRED. :rolleyes:

You can love him or hate him . . . but one thing sure this guy has skills and he has contributed to this sports . . . so give him the credit that is rightfully his.

Why do you find pleasure on pulling a FIGHTER down when he is already down?

Wake up brothers . . . don't get caught in your HATRED. :rolleyes:

Maybe you should ask RJJ that exact same question.

im sick of ppl claiming rjj wasnt a great fighter and he didnt fight great fighters...its funny how james toney and hopkins get more respect then jones and he mad them both look like **** in their fight...when roy demolished montel griffin ..griffin was a very good fighter ..bottom ****in line..any boxer who goes 12 13 years and dominates every person is a great fighter...he has a super middleweight frame and he bet a heavyweight...hagler monzon mcclean or even most of u europeans boyfriends calzaghe and michaelski would never have the heart to fight a heavyweight..and once again RJJ haters go to hell!!

I never actually responded to this so here it goes. RJJ v. Griffin I was 77-75, 76-75, and 75-76 before RJJ felt the need to be cheap and hit Griffin when he was down. Being behind on 1 scorecard and 1 and 2 points up on the other two is hardly demolishing an opponent. Who exactly did he beat at light heavyweight? A ruined Hill, a nearly 40 year old McCallum, and an injured Harding. Fighting the weakest of 4 heavyweight champions especially when the heavyweight doesn't do what he normally does is hardly an accomplishment either. RJJ could have gained a lot more respect had he fought one of the other belt holders which were Wlad, Lewis, and Byrd. I wonder why he chose Ruiz? Yes Roy was the best fighter at lower weightclasses, ie middleweight and super middleweight, but he was hardly the best light heavyweight of the past decade. I'm really interested in knowing exactly who RJJ beat at light heavyweight that made him such a great fighter. Please tell me.

[QUOTE=Neuraxis]I never actually responded to this so here it goes. RJJ v. Griffin I was 77-75, 76-75, and 75-76 before RJJ felt the need to be cheap and hit Griffin when he was down. Being behind on 1 scorecard and 1 and 2 points up on the other two is hardly demolishing an opponent.

The cheap shot was a freaking love tap my mother could of took,Griffin took the easy way out and stayed down, you seem to forget Jones destroyed Griffin in the rematch, freaking near launched him out of the ring with a bazzillion punch flurry.
Fighters have big ego's but I imagine when you have everything, have made more money than my entire linneage has it takes an ego to get in the ring.

Why do you find pleasure on pulling a FIGHTER down when he is already down?


That's what Roy did on Wlad ! Nonetheless, we still appreciate Roy for defeating Hopkins and Toney.

[QUOTE=Neuraxis]I never actually responded to this so here it goes. RJJ v. Griffin I was 77-75, 76-75, and 75-76 before RJJ felt the need to be cheap and hit Griffin when he was down. Being behind on 1 scorecard and 1 and 2 points up on the other two is hardly demolishing an opponent.

The cheap shot was a freaking love tap my mother could of took,Griffin took the easy way out and stayed down, you seem to forget Jones destroyed Griffin in the rematch, freaking near launched him out of the ring with a bazzillion punch flurry.
Fighters have big ego's but I imagine when you have everything, have made more money than my entire linneage has it takes an ego to get in the ring.

That's just something RJJ fanboys say. The fight was way too close for comfort, and Jones cracked because of it. Its still a loss, just like Kirk Johnson cracked against Ruiz. Both fights were losses.

We'll see how the public feels about him when you see Tarver and Johnson or any other L/H fighting for six figures, Tarver will have to stay bankrupt, if Roy's done so's the money, Tarver couldn't carry a PPV.

We'll see how the public feels about him when you see Tarver and Johnson or any other L/H fighting for six figures, Tarver will have to stay bankrupt, if Roy's done so's the money, Tarver couldn't carry a PPV.

So in your mind all a fighter needs to do in order to be great is fight a lot bums and be a great promoter.

if only you would quit with all the rubbish you have been spilling about Jones, we respect an opinion but do you have to force yours on other people with such obnoxiousness?
some of us value Jones and like him as a fighter and as a man, respect our opinions and shut up.
Garrett, do yourself a favor and shut the **** up.
Stop your goddamn whining.
Seriously, you act as if he's promised his **** to you.
I only replied to a moron who called me an idiot because I don't care about RJJ.
Now take your RJJ wankfest elsewhere.

Dr Cynical, I hope I am always on your side. I would hate to be against you in an argument or discussion. I think it is impossible to beat you.

Dr Cynical, I hope I am always on your side. I would hate to be against you in an argument or discussion. I think it is impossible to beat you.


Winter....
Go bang your head against a wall a few times...knock back a 5th of Beefeater....& I'm sure you'd smoke this know-nothing in any argument.
You can't win an argument if you don't know what you're talking about. He doesn't.

Winter....
Go bang your head against a wall a few times...knock back a 5th of Beefeater....& I'm sure you'd smoke this know-nothing in any argument.
You can't win an argument if you don't know what you're talking about. He doesn't.
You haven't proven to know a damn thing yourself.
All I've been doing lately is posting my own personal opinion which I've always said contains bias.
You haven't posted any info either, all you've done is ***** about my posts.

Fool...

I listed Toney's foes.....when he beat them.....what stage THEY were at, when he fought them.

When someone said "Roy Jones never moved up in weight"...I listed where he started...the weight classes he moved through...& who he beat.

You continue to call me a fan, a lover, of these two.
I'm just stating facts to a bunch of misinformed teenage girls like yourself.
I will teach you to know what you're talking about before you post.

Fool...

I listed Toney's foes.....when he beat them.....what stage THEY were at, when he fought them.

When someone said "Roy Jones never moved up in weight"...I listed where he started...the weight classes he moved through...& who he beat.

You continue to call me a fan, a lover, of these two.
I'm just stating facts to a bunch of misinformed teenage girls like yourself.
I will teach you to know what you're talking about before you post.
List them again, cause all I saw was your *****ing as usual.

Jones avoided people who he knew could beat him.

I've stated some valid info about Jones and you never replied to it.
All you're "teaching" me is that even old ****s with cheap computers go through drama queen mood swings.

Let's see.....Toney beat Nunn for the middleweight crown, back when Nunn was considered- at least- to be a top 5 lb4lber.
He beat Reggie Johnson. He then fought to a draw over one of ny all-time faves, Mike McCallum, back when Mike was still fighting extremely well. Despite being a huge McCallum fan, I scored the fight for Toney. See, I'm objective.
An out-of-shape Toney was given a lousy decision over Dave Tiberi, who outworked & outhustled him.
Toney moved up to 168 & put on a brutal CLINIC against the bad-ass Iran Barkley.
Toney stepped up to a lt. heavy, & scored a KO over ANTHINY HEMBRICK...this was a TUNE-UP.
Toney easily handled the very tough Tony thornton. He also demolished the talented Tim Littles, immediately after a head butt opened a 1" gash over his eye. A brilliant, brutal performance.

"Jones avoided people who he knew could beat him."

Name them. Cite WHEN he did so.

"Jones avoided people who he knew could beat him."

Name them. Cite WHEN he did so.
Oh come on, like you don't know?
Everytime he went off running his mouth and people challenged him, he either ducked them, overpriced himself, or just plain ran out of the contract.
Which is one of the reasons why I hated the ****er.
You really expect me to remember each and every fighter he ducked right now?

Let's see.....Toney beat Nunn for the middleweight crown, back when Nunn was considered- at least- to be a top 5 lb4lber.
He beat Reggie Johnson. He then fought to a draw over one of ny all-time faves, Mike McCallum, back when Mike was still fighting extremely well. Despite being a huge McCallum fan, I scored the fight for Toney. See, I'm objective.
An out-of-shape Toney was given a lousy decision over Dave Tiberi, who outworked & outhustled him.
Toney moved up to 168 & put on a brutal CLINIC against the bad-ass Iran Barkley.
Toney stepped up to a lt. heavy, & scored a KO over ANTHINY HEMBRICK...this was a TUNE-UP.
Toney easily handled the very tough Tony thornton. He also demolished the talented Tim Littles, immediately after a head butt opened a 1" gash over his eye. A brilliant, brutal performance.

lol Nunn was consider a top five "pound for pounder"?
Iran Barkley was past his prime when he fought Toney, wasn't he?
As for the other guys, who are they?
I've only heard sparse mention of McCallum but not the others.

What about Toney's recent match?
Against a young fat powerless and unskilled nobody who beat up bums with huge loss records, yet Toney went the full 12 with him and only had him take a knee in the 9th round (I think) and never took advantage of it to KO him.

"lol Nunn was consider a top five "pound for pounder"?"

YES, you idiot....he was ! In fact...most people rated himhigher than that !


As for McCallum.....do your best to get some footage of this HALL OF FAMER, kid. He was brilliant.

Barkley was a bit past his prime.....but was still fighting very well.

"What about Toney's recent match?
Against a young fat powerless and unskilled nobody who beat up bums with huge loss records, yet Toney went the full 12 with him and only had him take a knee in the 9th round (I think) and never took advantage of it to KO him"


I have never said Toney is an excellent cruiser/heavyweight.
He's also been fighting forever.

Why don't you look at how well this guy, who is far past his prime, in age & weight, is still performing.

You have Toney, a naturally smaller man, beating guys larger than he....due to his skill.

then you have Wlad Klit....who is larger than EVERYONE he fights...but still has manged to get DUSTED 3 times !


C'mon sonny...use ya head !

Doc

Learn your history bro.....

"What about Toney's recent match?
Against a young fat powerless and unskilled nobody who beat up bums with huge loss records, yet Toney went the full 12 with him and only had him take a knee in the 9th round (I think) and never took advantage of it to KO him"


I have never said Toney is an excellent cruiser/heavyweight.
He's also been fighting forever.

Why don't you look at how well this guy, who is far past his prime, in age & weight, is still performing.

You have Toney, a naturally smaller man, beating guys larger than he....due to his skill.

then you have Wlad Klit....who is larger than EVERYONE he fights...but still has manged to get DUSTED 3 times !


C'mon sonny...use ya head !
You have said he is an excellent heavyweight.
You've been praising him on how great he is.
Toney is larger in gut size.
Wlad, I don't know what's up with him and don't care.
I like Vitali over Wlad anyway.

Doc

Learn your history bro.....
I've asked how I could find out more but no one told me.
Plus, heavyweights are usually boring.

"lol Nunn was consider a top five "pound for pounder"?"

YES, you idiot....he was ! In fact...most people rated himhigher than that !


As for McCallum.....do your best to get some footage of this HALL OF FAMER, kid. He was brilliant.

Barkley was a bit past his prime.....but was still fighting very well.
When did they rate him that high?
I haven't heard any praising of him.

Where can I find McCallum fights?

But Barkley was still past his prime, just like Holyfield.

I've asked how I could find out more but no one told me.
Plus, heavyweights are usually boring.


Read back issues of Ring Magazine. Or hell, read Ring Magazine in general and they usually drop some history.

When Toney beat Barkley, Barkley was fresh off beating Hearns a second time.

McCallum fights can be found. Just look around. Lots of websites sell fights now.

When Toney beat Barkley, Barkley was fresh off beating Hearns a second time.

McCallum fights can be found. Just look around. Lots of websites sell fights now.
Hmm..
From what you guys say, it seems as though Toney was good BACK THEN.
Now he is just fat and loud and slow.
He looked bad against Booker.
I expected more from Toney due to everyone praising him.

Hmm..
From what you guys say, it seems as though Toney was good BACK THEN.
Now he is just fat and loud and slow.
He looked bad against Booker.
I expected more from Toney due to everyone praising him.

I personally thought that James Toney is far more impressive in the higher weight divisions compared to the Middleweight division. His body naturally habours that extra weight, whenever i see pictures of him as a Middleweight he didn't look ideal to me at all.

i think toney's sytle(kinda like byrd's), will do well for him against most heavey's.... toney will outbox, out maneuver and counter punch, most of the limited, slow heavey's..... but just like byrd, against the top guys, toney will have difficulty

He looked bad against Booker.


He probably just got bored with punching that bag.

He probably just got bored with punching that bag.
He was sweating like crazy too.
They say he can go the full 12 and more, but I didn't see it.
He was getting tired in the middle of the match.
At times it looked like he didn't want to get off the stool.
If he was anything like the people here say he is, he should have been knocking around and cutting up and dropping Booker.
He didn't do it.

He was sweating like crazy too.
They say he can go the full 12 and more, but I didn't see it.
He was getting tired in the middle of the match.
At times it looked like he didn't want to get off the stool.
If he was anything like the people here say he is, he should have been knocking around and cutting up and dropping Booker.
He didn't do it.

But he also got his shoulder muscle torn.

But he also got his shoulder muscle torn.
Is that true?
Or just him giving an excuse?
Has any doctors backed him in his claim?
I think he was just bull****ting as usual and giving an excuse for looking like ****.
But I must say this, he is tailor-made for FSN and it's people.

Is that true?
Or just him giving an excuse?
Has any doctors backed him in his claim?
I think he was just bull****ting as usual and giving an excuse for looking like ****.
But I must say this, he is tailor-made for FSN and it's people.


I don't know.

"Jones avoided people who he knew could beat him."

Name them. Cite WHEN he did so.

This must be your first day here.
Jirov
Sanders
Douglas
DM
and I have been wondering why he never fought Rocchingiani either
probably too busy fighting future hall of famers like glen kelly.

He was sweating like crazy too.
They say he can go the full 12 and more, but I didn't see it.
He was getting tired in the middle of the match.
At times it looked like he didn't want to get off the stool.
If he was anything like the people here say he is, he should have been knocking around and cutting up and dropping Booker.
He didn't do it. finally he starts talking sense
toney did say after the fight he came in out of shape and he did tear his left bicep too not his shoulder, whether it is true i dont know.
You can also find lots of fighter history online if you use google.
Maybe he should have Koed him, although to be fair the fight should have been stopped at some stage, Booker was taking a huge beating and barely throwing.
I would definately love to see him back up his talk and go after some good heavies.

finally he starts talking sense
toney did say after the fight he came in out of shape and he did tear his left bicep too not his shoulder, whether it is true i dont know.
You can also find lots of fighter history online if you use google.
Maybe he should have Koed him, although to be fair the fight should have been stopped at some stage, Booker was taking a huge beating and barely throwing.
I would definately love to see him back up his talk and go after some good heavies.
Supposed injury or not, he shouldn't have gone 12 rounds with a ****ing bum.
He shouldn't have only start to hurt him in the 9th round, then not be able to take advantage of it.
Toney knows he's not that great of a fighter which is why he talks alot but will avoid guys who can beat him.

This must be your first day here.
Jirov
Sanders
Douglas
DM
and I have been wondering why he never fought Rocchingiani either
probably too busy fighting future hall of famers like glen kelly.

Jirov, Sanders, & Douglas are so much bigger than Roy Jones.

What kind of know-nothings are all of you to question a guy who was at his best at 168..& how he's reluctant to fight guys who outweigh him by 25 to 75 lbs ?
Ridiculous !
Don't you know, in the world of boxing, it's impossible to "duck" someone who is several divisions above you ?

Roy & Darius BOTH are responsible for that fight not happening.
Neither wanted to give up & go to the other guys' turf, PERIOD.

BTW.....Darius, a natural 175lber...NEVER moved up in weight, yet....I don't hear you guys criticizing him for that !

Hmm..
From what you guys say, it seems as though Toney was good BACK THEN.
Now he is just fat and loud and slow.
He looked bad against Booker.
I expected more from Toney due to everyone praising him.


Guess what? Jones beat Toney 'Back Then'.

This must be your first day here.
Jirov
Sanders
Douglas
DM
and I have been wondering why he never fought Rocchingiani either
probably too busy fighting future hall of famers like glen kelly.


WHAT?????

You are really going to say that not fighting guys who were in heavier divisions than him (At his best he was 168 lber) detracts from his legacy?

Hell, you might as well say that Marvin Hagler avoided Michael Spinks.

This must be your first day debating with someone who KNOWS what they are talking about.

Dr Cynical, I hope I am always on your side. I would hate to be against you in an argument or discussion. I think it is impossible to beat you.

the only thing im seeing from both sides is a sheer lack of humility and alot of "shut the **** up!" "no you shut the **** up!"

just alot of lack of respect from both sides.

WHAT?????

You are really going to say that not fighting guys who were in heavier divisions than him (At his best he was 168 lber) detracts from his legacy?

Hell, you might as well say that Marvin Hagler avoided Michael Spinks.

This must be your first day debating with someone who KNOWS what they are talking about.

So DM and Rocchingiani were in higher weight classes? That's news to me.

BTW.....Darius, a natural 175lber...NEVER moved up in weight, yet....I don't hear you guys criticizing him for that ![/QUOTE]


Dariusz was a champ at 190 too by the way, before he got to 175.
I think DM and RJ are both partly responsible for the fight not going ahead, both not wanting to give to much 'home' advantage to the other.
For me though DM was the true champ RJ just picked up his castaways you gotta beat the champ to be the champ!
However (lol) as i'm sure your all aware RJ looked better beating the same men DM beat and sine DM lost to JG I do actually think RJ was the better fighter but he still should of fought DM to truly proclaim he was the man at 175 and to prove it one way or another, my prediction for that would of been Jones W12 by 3 or 4 rounds.

So DM and Rocchingiani were in higher weight classes? That's news to me.


To suggest that Roy ducked Rocchigiani is absolutely absurd.
Rocchigiani was never a force in that division.
He was a good fighter...but I don't remember ANYONE caring if they duked it out.

Guess what? Jones beat Toney 'Back Then'.
And?
He beat Hopkins too 'Back Then'.
What is your point?

And?
He beat Hopkins too 'Back Then'.
What is your point?
His point is that jones beat toney in his prime

His point is that jones beat toney in his prime
And?
What I was saying is that Toney's best days are behind him.
That includes his loss to RJJ.

toney was on top of his game when he fought roy at supermiddle.

:rolleyes:
what he is saying, you seem so intent on smacking jones down but forget he beat some future hall of famers in his career and should be commended

So DM and Rocchingiani were in higher weight classes? That's news to me.

You named Sanders, Douglas and Jirov.

DM was just as reluctant to fight ROy (cuz it meant going to the USA) as Roy was to fight DM (cuz it meant going to Germany). Rochiniaggi.....you did not mention him originally but since you did now, I will retort. He couldn't beat DM or Henry Maske. WHy are you even bringing him up?

i think roy jones could have had an amazing career, we would not be discussing his achievements now in the same light if he had won the gold medal in seoul.
I think he would have been less reluctent to fight , benn, DM etc etc and would have beaten them all.

Light heavyweight, he deserves alot of credit cuz he was really fighting above his prime weight.

168, he could have done SOOOOOO much more. Eubank, Benn, McClellan, Collins.....if Roy beat these guys how much greater would he be considered?

That said, he is still the best 168 lber ever.

:rolleyes:
what he is saying, you seem so intent on smacking jones down but forget he beat some future hall of famers in his career and should be commended
I know who he beat but I refuse to give him credit for it.
Because of all the **** I've already mentioned.
I just hate RJJ and that will never change.

Light heavyweight, he deserves alot of credit cuz he was really fighting above his prime weight.

168, he could have done SOOOOOO much more. Eubank, Benn, McClellan, Collins.....if Roy beat these guys how much greater would he be considered?
Got that right, we would be talking about hagler and co and jones in the same breath

I know who he beat but I refuse to give him credit for it.
Because of all the **** I've already mentioned.
I just hate RJJ and that will never change.come on be objective you may hate him but he achieved more than most fighters will dream of

Hell I don't like Roy either. I was in on the Roycott. I detest his breeding of fighting Roosters and Dogs.

But I won't deny he was a damn great fighter.

I know who he beat but I refuse to give him credit for it.
Because of all the **** I've already mentioned.
I just hate RJJ and that will never change.


A true definition of a hater, no matter what someone does, or what someone has acheived, you will continue to show zero respect for a man whos worked hard for the money and status hes attained. No matter what your opinion is of him, there is no denying he worked hard and applied himself to be where he is today, wealthy and regarded as a legend.

A true definition of a hater, no matter what someone does, or what someone has acheived, you will continue to show zero respect for a man whos worked hard for the money and status hes attained. No matter what your opinion is of him, there is no denying he worked hard and applied himself to be where he is today, wealthy and regarded as a legend.

Bingo!

But, I dunno about calling Roy a 'legend'. Great fighter yes. I mean, 'legend' should be reserved for fellas like Archie Moore.

You know a fighter is a 'legend' when you get exhausted naming all the great victories in their career. Jones isn't quite there.....

i think you would have to know alot about a fighter before you could say that you hate them so badly. i thought you said you were new to boxing cynical? did you see the jones-toney fight? how many jones fights have you ever seen? how many toney fights have you ever seen? how many boxing matches have you seen period?

You know a fighter is a 'legend' when you get exhausted naming all the great victories in their career. Jones isn't quite there.....


Its ok if you think that, i dont think it, but it doesnt matter, i feel hes a legend, you dont, im ok with that, mostly because i like roy, and ill just be repeating what everyone else is saying.

A true definition of a hater, no matter what someone does, or what someone has acheived, you will continue to show zero respect for a man whos worked hard for the money and status hes attained. No matter what your opinion is of him, there is no denying he worked hard and applied himself to be where he is today, wealthy and regarded as a legend.
Posted like a true RJJ ****sucker.
He didn't work hard.
If he did, he would have actually improved his skills.
Also, he is not a legend.
Not even close.
So please, go back to drooling over RJJ adjusting his shorts.

i think you would have to know alot about a fighter before you could say that you hate them so badly. i thought you said you were new to boxing cynical? did you see the jones-toney fight? how many jones fights have you ever seen? how many toney fights have you ever seen? how many boxing matches have you seen period?
I said I was new to boxing in the sense of boxing history.
Like the old fights and so on.
I've seen the new ones off and on.

I saw Jones fight Tarver, Hopkins, and Toney.
I think I might have seen a few more but I forget since I usually stop watching.

I haven't seen much of Toney, that I admit.
I saw his match with RJJ, some of his match with Holyfield, and his match with Booker.

Posted like a true RJJ ****sucker.
He didn't work hard.
If he did, he would have actually improved his skills.
Also, he is not a legend.
Not even close.
So please, go back to drooling over RJJ adjusting his shorts.

I think you really need to evaluate certain aspects on the way you deal with your opinion.

come on be objective you may hate him but he achieved more than most fighters will dream of
Even if I thought that was true (which I don't), it doesn't matter.
I hate the guy so much as a person and also hate him as a fighter.
Why can't that be allowed?
I see the extreme loving and praising of RJJ is allowed.

You are allowing your like or dislike to cloud your evaluation of his skills. You are allowing the subjective to obscure the objective. That is problematic for you.

I think you really need to evaluate certain aspects on the way you deal with your opinion.
If you're going to use moronic terms like "hater", then I feel that I should reply to you in the same stupid fashion.

Even if I thought that was true (which I don't), it doesn't matter.
I hate the guy so much as a person and also hate him as a fighter.
Why can't that be allowed?
I see the extreme loving and praising of RJJ is allowed.


because hating someone is a sign of a major character flaw, though all of us hate at one point or another, for you to hate someone you dont know, and to bring down others who like him, no matter what they say, is a sign of envy and just a major character flaw on your part.

Usually hate stems from an experiance, or alot of anguish built up inside a person and the person they hate had an incident at one point or another personally that would cause that hate.

But to hate someone you dont know, is just foolish.

If you're going to use moronic terms like "hater", then I feel that I should reply to you in the same stupid fashion.

did you not say you hated him?

if your calling me a ****sucker, your implying i engage in homosexual acts with other males, which i didint say. I expect to get back what i give, but you admitted you hate roy, so how are you not a hater?

You are allowing your like or dislike to cloud your evaluation of his skills. You are allowing the subjective to obscure the objective. That is problematic for you.
Look at it this way.
Say someone was a great football star and did all these great things for the sport.
Yet, the person molested and raped children and was even found guilty of murder not once, but several times.
Knowing what he did outside of the ring, would you still respect anything he did in football?

Now that's a bit of an extreme example.
But I just don't like RJJ and that won't change.
I see no need to give him credit when he has done nothing to deserve it.
If he really was focused on boxing he would have improved his skills and stopped all the **** talking (which he hardly ever backed up) and got his mind off of rapping and acting which he can't do.

Even if I thought that was true (which I don't), it doesn't matter.
I hate the guy so much as a person and also hate him as a fighter.
Why can't that be allowed?
I see the extreme loving and praising of RJJ is allowed.

I think you're missing the point..

Sure, you can hate Jones...& want to see him KO'd. You can say you don't enjoy watching him fight, that he's boring.

But, you cannot deny his accomplishments...or his ability.
There's just a mountain evidence to support him.

You've made the mistake of calling me a Jones fan..
I post on another forum where I'm considered a Jones hater.

I think he was ridiculously talented....& beat a lot of good fighters in multiple classes, & did so with ease.

I also think he talked too much....I thought he could be very boring quite often....I thought he didn't fight everyone he could have. But, that's because I truly believed he'd have beaten anyone he stepped into the ring against, up to 175....& I couldn't understand why he was reluctant to do so.

"Knowing what he did outside of the ring, would you still respect anything he did in football?"

I believe O.J. Simpson is both a murderer & one of the best running backs in history.

I think you're missing the point..

Sure, you can hate Jones...& want to see him KO'd. You can say you don't enjoy watching him fight, that he's boring.

But, you cannot deny his accomplishments...or his ability.
There's just a mountain evidence to support him.

You've made the mistake of calling me a Jones fan..
I post on another forum where I'm considered a Jones hater.

I think he was ridiculously talented....& beat a lot of good fighters in multiple classes, & did so with ease.

I also think he talked too much....I thought he could be very boring quite often....I thought he didn't fight everyone he could have. But, that's because I truly believed he'd have beaten anyone he stepped into the ring against, up to 175....& I couldn't understand why he was reluctant to do so.

I said he was **** because he didn't focus on boxing only and didn't care to improve his skills or really back up the **** he talked.

because hating someone is a sign of a major character flaw, though all of us hate at one point or another, for you to hate someone you dont know, and to bring down others who like him, no matter what they say, is a sign of envy and just a major character flaw on your part.

Usually hate stems from an experiance, or alot of anguish built up inside a person and the person they hate had an incident at one point or another personally that would cause that hate.

But to hate someone you dont know, is just foolish.
It's not a major character flaw to rightly hate someone.
I have posted why I hate RJJ and I don't care if people hate me for it or not.
I have seen and heard enough from and about that piece of **** to know that I hate him.

But.. If you want to go with what was said in your post, then you can't hate or like any celebrity because we don't really know that person.

Also, the "hater" term is mostly used by morons who refuse to speak in actual english and opt for that horrid ebonics bull****.
That's why I thought you deserved the reply I previously gave you.

dont even act like you know enough about RJJ to hate him cuz thats a ****in joke. You dont know him at all. He sits at home on his ranch and raises his animals and hangs with his kids. He also does all his traning there so hes usually pretty low key. He doesnt go out and rape people like mayorga and tyson so dont act like you have amazingly good reasons for hating him

It's not a major character flaw to rightly hate someone.
I have posted why I hate RJJ and I don't care if people hate me for it or not.
I have seen and heard enough from and about that piece of **** to know that I hate him.

But.. If you want to go with what was said in your post, then you can't hate or like any celebrity because we don't really know that person.

Also, the "hater" term is mostly used by morons who refuse to speak in actual english and opt for that horrid ebonics bull****.
That's why I thought you deserved the reply I previously gave you.

Knowing what Tyson, Ibeabuchi, Bowe and Monzon did outside the ring......can you still respect them as fighters? I sure can. What Roy did outside isn't even half as bad as that. I dislike Roy as a person but he accomplished enough in the ring to be respected by a fighter.

dont even act like you know enough about RJJ to hate him cuz thats a ****in joke. You dont know him at all. He sits at home on his ranch and raises his animals and hangs with his kids. He also does all his traning there so hes usually pretty low key. He doesnt go out and rape people like mayorga and tyson so dont act like you have amazingly good reasons for hating him
Nothing you say is worth the cum that trickles down your chin.
You're a known RJJ tea-bagger.

Also, it was a whore who claimed Mayorga raped her.
So it was just bull****.

Even if I thought that was true (which I don't), it doesn't matter.
I hate the guy so much as a person and also hate him as a fighter.
Why can't that be allowed?
I see the extreme loving and praising of RJJ is allowed.

Since I'm not sure how much you actually do know about RJJ, I see no problem with trying to add some fuel to the fire. Shortly after RJJ beat Montell Griffin in their rematch on 8/7/97, he decided to make the move up to heavyweight. Thus he forfeited his WBC and WBA belts. On 3/21/98 the WBC held a match between Michael Nunn and Graciano Rocchigiani for the recently vacated WBC belt. Rocchigiani beat Nunn thus becoming the WBC light heavyweight champion. In June 1998, shorty after RJJ had decided that he was not going to make the move up to heavyweight and that he wanted his belt back, the WBC changed Rocchigiani status as the WBC light heavyweight champion to the interim WBC light heavyweight champion. If RJJ was really such a champ shouldn't he have beaten Rocchigiani in the ring in order to get the WBC belt back, and not have had the WBC strip Rocchigiani of it? Rocchigiani sued and won $31 million from the WBC. Guess who Rocchigiani lost to in his next fight, who should have then become the WBC champion? You guessed it folks, Dariusz Michalczewski.

Knowing what Tyson, Ibeabuchi, Bowe and Monzon did outside the ring......can you still respect them as fighters? I sure can. What Roy did outside isn't even half as bad as that. I dislike Roy as a person but he accomplished enough in the ring to be respected by a fighter.
I've heard a bit about what Ibeabuchi did.
I haven't heard about what Bowe and Monzon did.
Although I think that was bull**** what happened to Tyson with that one ***** who still demands money from him.

Look, I've said this over and over.
I'm never going to like RJJ and that's final.

I guess you already knew about it.

He's not appreciated anymore.

He's not appreciated anymore.

and thats sad.

everybody who forgot, check the tapes
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reluctant roy

LOL this thread is a 6yrs old?!

and thats sad.

Should have retired after he beat Tarver, Period. Roy would have had a far better legacy than what he does now, he's destroying it!

LOL this thread is a 6yrs old?!

Recognize! Roy is an old boy.

Anybody who think Roy Jones wasn't the pound for pound best fighter of the 90s simple doesn't know shyt about boxing