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Frighteous
06-10-2010, 04:19 PM
I've never done steroids before but I'm curious, is there an onset effect upon administering it for the first time? Do you feel jittery or speedy, what kind of initial effects does it have?

Jakutindi Wauya
06-10-2010, 04:45 PM
There's a forum for steroids where the guys know their stuff

Double Jab
06-10-2010, 04:54 PM
I've never done steroids before but I'm curious, is there an onset effect upon administering it for the first time? Do you feel jittery or speedy, what kind of initial effects does it have?

Steroids are testosterone. testosterone makes you feel manly.

Thus, according to Merlin's Theory.

Steroids make you feel manly.

You know that feeling when you make love to a beautiful woman and get her weak in the knees, you spring up out of bed and make a sandwhich of cheese and red meat, and you feel like you could run down and tackle a bull?

Yeah, thats the feeling. Fast and strong.

Jakutindi Wauya
06-10-2010, 05:10 PM
Winstrol is a classic ***8220;cutting***8221; steroid in that it produces clean, solid (though slow and slight) gains without water retention. This is due to its molecular structure it cannot covert to estrogen. In fact is actually has ANTI estrogen effects due to being derived from DHT, (Dihydrotestosterone) therefore it has the ability to block SHBG. (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin).

It also has an anti progestrogenic effect and for that reason Winstrol is advised to be used in conjunction with Deca Durabolin to counteract the progesterone it produces. (Though it isn***8217;t completely clear how this occurs).

Winstrol is also the only compound that comes in a tablet and injectable version, both of which can be taken orally, which is preferable since it***8217;s water based and the injections are painful. There is also a veterinarian version that is the very same chemical compound as the human version ***8211; the only steroid to hold that distinction.

Winstrol has a reputation of being weak. This is the result of early reports from the pioneer steroid Guru***8217;s such as Dan Duchain and Bill Phillips. Dan went on to say that it was only effective in women. Of course, the original dosage was a mere 2 mgs tablet. With the advent of UG labs, the typical dosage of a Winstrol tab is 10 mgs. Still on the low side, but high enough that 4-5 tabs a day will show the positive effects the drug has to offer.

Winstrol***8217;s most attractive asset is the ***8220;quality***8221; of muscle it produces ***8211; hard, thick, dense and tight. Since it lowers estrogen it also lowers fat. One would think this would make Winstrol extremely desirable but old notions die hard. Most bodybuilders like to see the numbers of the scale go up and since Winstrol does not produce huge gains, due mostly to a lack of water retention. This all adds up to Winstrol being dismissed as a mass drug. Nevertheless, Winstrol stacks swell with Testosterone and other steroids and can even take the place of Proviron as a ***8220;hardener.***8221;

The liquid version is used on racehorses, which is why it got a reputation for being ideal for track and field athlete. (You may remember when Olympic sprinter Ben Johnson was busted for steroids, it was Winstrol that was detected).

The down side of Winstrol, as with all 17 alpha alkylated drugs is the stress it puts on the liver. It obliterates ***8220;good***8221; cholesterol and ****es the bad LDL and even has a slight dehydrating effect leading some people to complain about stiff joints with its use. All of this occurs, not with continued use, but within just a few days.

For years, Winstrol was considered a ***8220;safe***8221; drug but it appears that it isn***8217;t the healthiest choice and is better off being implemented for specific purposes such as a ***8220;kick start***8221; to a cycle or a ***8220;finisher.***8221;

Winstrol is relatively inexpensive to manufacture, which is why it is often substituted by UG labs for the more pricy orals such as Anavar and Primobolan and even Proviron. Since each of these drugs produce ***8220;dry***8221; gains it would be unlikely that the customer would know the difference.

Winstrol was a favorite among many of the early steroid using bodybuilders -- when definition, aesthetics and a slim waist was every bit as important, if not more so, than sheer size. Winstrol produces a ***8220;polished***8221; look to the physique that also makes it popular with models who want to look ***8220;fit,***8221; but not ***8220;steroidal.***8221;

Winstrol is very popular among competitive bodybuilders when in the cutting phase. Not for the hardening effect but for the fact that it also increases vascularity. Winstrol is perhaps the harshest of all steroids on the hairline, no doubt to the effect of the DHT.

Availability:
Winstrol is readily available and inexpensive. The going rate is a dollar a tab but you might be able to find it for as low as 50 cents a tab if you find a good source.

Dosage:
20 mgs a day will show good results. Using less may prove unsatisfactory. Using more will increase the effect but duration should be kept to 4 weeks or less.

Frighteous
06-10-2010, 07:03 PM
I don't like those juicemonkey bodybuilder forums. Mainly, because if you ask a question like I asked, about whether or not it affects you the first time you take it, the guys there will ask you to read a 100 page faq...I just figured someone here would have some immediate information.

Jakuntindi, Double Jab, thanks guys.

BrooklynBomber
06-10-2010, 07:05 PM
I am a fan of Var myself. Winstrol is ok. Good stuff, as it helps you with the diet. Helps lessen the carb urges to eat crap.
However, as it was noted, it is very hard on lipid profile and liver so with it be sure to take liver supplements, milk thistle and garlic extract. All can be bought online. As for Post Cycle Therapy, Clomid is probably the best choice.

BrooklynBomber
06-10-2010, 07:07 PM
I don't like those juicemonkey bodybuilder forums. Mainly, because if you ask a question like I asked, about whether or not it affects you the first time you take it, the guys there will ask you to read a 100 page faq...I just figured someone here would have some immediate information.

Jakuntindi, Double Jab, thanks guys.

And I dont think it affects you the first time you take it, its not a stim. Take it for a couple of days and you will see results, take it for a week or two and you will see strength gains.

Talon
06-11-2010, 02:31 AM
ive used tren, test, deca, equipoise and dbol.. but no winny

Jack3d
06-11-2010, 09:16 PM
I am a fan of Var myself. Winstrol is ok. Good stuff, as it helps you with the diet. Helps lessen the carb urges to eat crap.
However, as it was noted, it is very hard on lipid profile and liver so with it be sure to take liver supplements, milk thistle and garlic extract. All can be bought online. As for Post Cycle Therapy, Clomid is probably the best choice.

Good post.

As far as the original question it is highly, highly unlikely that you will experience ANYTHING from the first dose of virtually any steroid. Although there are a few exceptions like (Mibolerone, Test Suspension, Halo)

With Most traditional AAS you won't notice much until after 2 weeks at least. This also depends on how high or low your dosing protocol is.

Winstrol is a "cutting" steroid, but it doesn't have fat burning properties. No steroid does. It merely helps hold muscle and retain strength while you cut.

Also doublejab, not all steroids are derived from Testosterone.

Jack3d
06-11-2010, 09:25 PM
I don't like those juicemonkey bodybuilder forums. Mainly, because if you ask a question like I asked, about whether or not it affects you the first time you take it, the guys there will ask you to read a 100 page faq...I just figured someone here would have some immediate information.

Jakuntindi, Double Jab, thanks guys.

You can't really blame those guys on those steroid forums. I should know I'm a longtime member at Elite Fitness.

You have no idea how many threads are created everyday by 16 year old kids asking how they should go about doing a mega dose steroid cycle, not to mention without any research or knowledge. Then to top it off, there will be those same kids who do a cycle and then come back and make a thread asking why their testicles are shrinking and how to counteract it.

They aren't directing you to the FAQ because they are *******s, they do it because it's a pain in the ass to have to respond to people who 99% of the time are clueless. Plus those FAQ's are very informative and helpful.

There is an FAQ thread over at Steroidology by Doc J titled "massive newbie info" or something along those lines. It's easily one of the best and most informative FAQ's about everything related to steroids. From what a steroid is to specific details of injection. I highly recommend you check it out.

Del Coqui
06-15-2010, 08:04 PM
Only way I would ever consider steroids is working my way back out of some serious injury. and it would be a couple cycles and thats it.

Aperion
06-16-2010, 12:29 PM
I think yer all crazy, informed, and I personally believe you have a right to inject yourself with whatever you want (unless you're competing), but crazy nonetheless.

Why? Shrinking balls. I don't care what the hell those drugs do, I don't care if I could punch through godzillas face, I'm never doing something that does that to me, well that and I'm not a pro athlete. 16 year old kids are doing that? Insane, your internal organs are still growing at that age.

Protect your livers, not just from steroids, but from pills and booze too - I know lots of people get into one or more of those. It really, really destroys your liver. It catches up to you in life way quicker than you think, imagine being only 45 years old and knowing you won't make it to 60 because your liver is failing and you'll be in pain and have health problems until you die. I know people currently in that situation, its not worth it.

Jack3d
06-16-2010, 04:56 PM
I think yer all crazy, informed, and I personally believe you have a right to inject yourself with whatever you want (unless you're competing), but crazy nonetheless.

Why? Shrinking balls. I don't care what the hell those drugs do, I don't care if I could punch through godzillas face, I'm never doing something that does that to me, well that and I'm not a pro athlete. 16 year old kids are doing that? Insane, your internal organs are still growing at that age.

Protect your livers, not just from steroids, but from pills and booze too - I know lots of people get into one or more of those. It really, really destroys your liver. It catches up to you in life way quicker than you think, imagine being only 45 years old and knowing you won't make it to 60 because your liver is failing and you'll be in pain and have health problems until you die. I know people currently in that situation, its not worth it.

Nobody I know that has taken steroids (and I know dozens) have had anything close to a failing liver. You have to be taking ridiculously high doses of Orals for a long period of time to have that happen. That's called abuse.

Your balls shrink but it's not permanent, they retain their size after you cycle off. It's not that big of a deal considering the trade off