The Troll
06-28-2005, 06:10 PM
Which member of the Bush Cabinet/inner circle do you despise the most
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View Full Version : Which member of the Bush Cabinet/ inner circle do you despise the most The Troll 06-28-2005, 06:10 PM Which member of the Bush Cabinet/inner circle do you despise the most LuKahnLi 06-28-2005, 06:13 PM Rove. He is the most sane one of the bunch, this also means he is the most evil. Rumsfeld, Cheney and GW are just plain crazy. GW is crazy from his far right Religious ideals. Cheney is crazy with greed and militarism. Rumsfeld is crazy from the cold war. LuKahnLi 06-28-2005, 06:13 PM Hey why isn't Karl Rove on that list Dude? LuKahnLi 06-28-2005, 06:14 PM Ari Fleicsher is no longer a factor. Now they got that McClellan guy who is an even bigger pile of human refuse. The Troll 06-28-2005, 06:15 PM Ari Fleischer was a dual Isreali US citezin. As is alot of the guys in the US federal government. I think Richard Perle is as well. LuKahnLi 06-28-2005, 06:17 PM Ari Fleischer was a dual Isreali US citezin. As is alot of the guys in the US federal government. I think Richard Perle is as well. :rolleyes: Here we go again. I am NOT gonna get into this discussion with you. You want to hate on Bush. Cool. I can do that, but the anti Israeli slant I just don't buy. The Troll 06-28-2005, 06:20 PM Here is a picture of Dick Cheney wearing a Yamulka. http://www.yirmeyahureview.com/images/israel/cheneyyamulka.jpg http://www.yirmeyahureview.com/images/israel/cheneyyamulka.jpg LuKahnLi 06-28-2005, 06:20 PM Lee Atwater died due to cancer of his favorite weapon.....His Brain. The same karmic justice will happen to Rove.....TENFOLD, because he did not heed Lee Atwaters deathbed regrets. The Troll 06-28-2005, 06:21 PM :rolleyes: Here we go again. I am NOT gonna get into this discussion with you. You want to hate on Bush. Cool. I can do that, but the anti Israeli slant I just don't buy. Of course you dont. You are Bombardier's #1 fan. Sara 06-28-2005, 06:22 PM [QUOTE=McKay]Here is a picture of Dick Cheney wearing a Yamaka./QUOTE] Point being? LuKahnLi 06-28-2005, 06:23 PM Of course you dont. You are Bombardier's #1 fan. No. I am just rational. I feel that you are being distracted from the real enemy....THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. The Troll 06-28-2005, 06:23 PM [QUOTE=McKay]Here is a picture of Dick Cheney wearing a Yamaka./QUOTE] Point being? The point is open for interpretation or I would caption the photo obviously. The Troll 06-28-2005, 06:24 PM No. I am just rational. I feel that you are being distracted from the real enemy....THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. Go John Cohen/Kerry yeah baby. And your wife madame Heinz she is a hotty. John Kerry's platform. Something about a thing called swift boats. I cant fight the war in Iraq better I will punish Saudi ARabi for being anti semetic and they are the real enemy I can fight the war "terror" better because I am smarter. Bush misprounced Nuclear what a dumbass. Sara 06-28-2005, 06:40 PM The point is open for interpretation or I would caption the photo obviously. So its just an ad hominem attack than, and you don't want to acknowledge that he was at a jewish funeral and being respectful? Useing those kinds of arguments doesn't benefit your view hun, at best it might just give a boost to your ego when people walk away not thinking you're capable of having an intellectual or logical discussion. The Troll 06-28-2005, 06:42 PM So its just an ad hominem attack than, and you don't want to acknowledge the fact he was at a jewish funeral and being respectful? Useing those kinds of arguments doesn't benefit your view hun, at best it might just give a boost to your ego when people walk away not thinking you're capable of having an intellectual or logical discussion. Oh. So you saying that everybody that goes to a Jewish funeral wears a Yamulka. Even if they are Christian, Budist, Irish, Scottish, French. Hmmm never knew that. I guess you learn something new everyday. Everybody is required to wear Yamaulka's Jewish funerals. hmm really something that. It is really making a bold statement to put on Yamulka I would think for any occasion. But like I said it is open for interpretation. You obviously have yours and have stated it and that is fine. IN response your other point. I dont play by your bull**** talking points. I talk reality sunshine. If that makes me "incapable of having a serious debate with" I am glad to be stuck with that label. I say what is logical and correct, what I feel is right and what I feel at times must be said. LuKahnLi 06-28-2005, 06:44 PM Go John Cohen/Kerry yeah baby. And your wife madame Heinz she is a hotty. John Kerry's platform. Something about a thing called swift boats. I cant fight the war in Iraq better I will punish Saudi ARabi for being anti semetic and they are the real enemy I can fight the war "terror" better because I am smarter. Bush misprounced Nuclear what a dumbass. What's with John Cohen/Kerry? I expected a good "Bush-Bashing" topic. You are changing the focus. Don't try to paint me as a Kerry Supporter. But to answer your points: Saudi Arabia funds TERRORISM! Not to mention the human rights violations that our politicians look the other way about. They are the CENTER of the human slave trade. Any politician even a Jack Ass like Kerry that talks about sanctions against them is saying something smart. Actually Kerry's stance was, foreigners like him better so he would be able to get their support to fight terrorists more easily. Which was just as stupid as your interpretation. Yeah, he IS a dumbass for mispronouncing Nuclear. He is supposed to be setting the education policy and he cannot even pronounce simple English words. It is spelled N-U-C-L-E-A-R.....not N-U-K-Y-U-L-E-R. This is another part of his pattern of "proud to be ignorant" behavior. Another infuriating part is that he claims to "NEVER READ THE PAPER" and is proud of that fact. The Troll 06-28-2005, 06:46 PM What's with John Cohen/Kerry? I expected a good "Bush-Bashing" topic. You are changing the focus. Don't try to paint me as a Kerry Supporter. But to answer your points: Saudi Arabia funds TERRORISM! Not to mention the human rights violations that our politicians look the other way about. They are the CENTER of the human slave trade. Any politician even a Jack Ass like Kerry that talks about sanctions against them is saying something smart. Actually Kerry's stance was, foreigners like him better so he would be able to get their support to fight terrorists more easily. Which was just as stupid as your interpretation. Yeah, he IS a dumbass for mispronouncing Nuclear. He is supposed to be setting the education policy and he cannot even pronounce simple English words. It is spelled N-U-C-L-E-A-R.....not N-U-K-Y-U-L-E-R. This is another part of his pattern of "proud to be ignorant" behavior. Another infuriating part is that he claims to "NEVER READ THE PAPER" and is proud of that fact. That was Cohen's platform: #1 I can fight the war on terror better. You know this because I pronounce the world nuclear in a correct way. #2 WE need to invade Saudi Arabia instead of Iran. Saudi Arabia funds "terror" hmmm really something that. What exactly does funding the abstract noun "terror" happen to entail. Does it for instance entail having army and invading other countries or ethnically clensing people like for instance what Isreal did in 1948 to the arabs in Palestine and in way continues to do to this day. I am a little fuzzy on this. LuKahnLi 06-28-2005, 06:50 PM That was Cohen's platform: #1 I can fight the war on terror better. You know this because I pronounce the world nuclear in a correct way. #2 WE need to invade Saudi Arabia instead of Iran. Saudi Arabia funds "terror" hmmm really something that. What exactly does funding the abstract noun "terror" happen to entail. Does it for instance entail having army and invading other countries or ethnically clensing people. I am a little fuzzy on this. Like I said. I am NOT going to discuss Israel with you. The Troll 06-28-2005, 06:52 PM Like I said. I am NOT going to discuss Israel with you. Good. Then I dont have to deal with you. You conceed my argumentative skills and knowledge are to dangerous to egg on for 100 posts. Where is Torino (looks around) Bombardier (looks around) hmmm dont see them. Dude is here though. LuKahnLi 06-28-2005, 06:56 PM Good. Then I dont have to deal with you. You conceed my argumentative skills and knowledge are to dangerous to egg on for 100 posts. Where is Torino (looks around) Bombardier (looks around) hmmm dont see them. Dude is here though. Take whatever moral victory from my refusal to engage you want. My only point is that that was not the topic at hand. Sara 06-28-2005, 06:56 PM Oh. So you saying that everybody that goes to a Jewish funeral wears a Yamulka. Even if they are Christian, Budist, Irish, Scottish, French. Hmmm never knew that. I guess you learn something new everyday. Everybody is required to wear Yamaulka's Jewish funerals. hmm really something that. It is really making a bold statement to put on Yamulka I would think for any occasion. But like I said it is open for interpretation. You obviously have yours and have stated it and that is fine. IN response your other point. I dont play by your bull**** talking points. I talk reality sunshine. If that makes "incapable of having a serious debate with" I am glad be stuck with that label." I say what is logical and correct, what I feel is right and what I feel at times must be said. Wel aparently ya don't fol'lo my talking points. I'm nice though, me thinks and I'll teach ya one of dem doozies. 1st off, when quoteing someone pleaze reed what they said... ace of bace your argument off datz not what ya ass-ume may have been applied. I never said everyone one who goes to a Jewish funeral wears a Yamulka. I mentioned that he was at a jewish funeral and displaying "respect" to the culture/faith of the deceased. C, just occassionally, regardless of if you B Christian, Budiest, Irisch, or from the land of tino/tina its generally considered human decency to display some respect. Ol' Cheney, dat eviel phat bastird dat he may B, wuz doing such. Dat wuz all mi sayd, period. 2morro'w wi go into point 2... spelling/grahmmer. The Troll 06-28-2005, 06:58 PM You put on Yamulka you are making bold statement of attachment to Jewish doctrines. There is my interpretation. You put on Yamulka you are probably Jewish. A Yamulka is a symbol of Jewish nationality. And its spelled Irish. We are talking in English not Yiddisch. scap 06-28-2005, 10:15 PM I hate... Karl Rove...I would love to fight that ****ing geek! Dick Cheney...I would love to fight that fake ****ing tough guy! Karen Hughes...I would love to skull **** her on PPV...no wait I would love to skull **** her for free! LuKahnLi 06-30-2005, 06:16 PM I hate... Karl Rove...I would love to fight that ****ing geek! Dick Cheney...I would love to fight that fake ****ing tough guy! Karen Hughes...I would love to skull **** her on PPV...no wait I would love to skull **** her for free! Wouldn't be much of a fight.....Rove or Cheney. Neither has done a hard day's work in their life. Hughes......Man, I wouldn't skull**** her with Mcay's dick. Explosivo 06-30-2005, 06:27 PM Karl Rove is the biggest piece of **** tied to the Bush admin IMO. Anything Bush does thats stupid, is this guys fault. Bush does whatever this douchebag says. LuKahnLi 06-30-2005, 06:30 PM Karl Rove is the biggest piece of **** tied to the Bush admin IMO. Anything Bush does thats stupid, is this guys fault. Bush does whatever this douchebag says. And ROVE is perfectly sane/intelligent/rational.....THIS MAKES HIM EVIL. Boxclever 07-01-2005, 02:24 PM Every Single one of them. :mad: jack_the_rippuh 07-01-2005, 02:34 PM Hey, Tino, if you're reading this can you tell me what soutien means? Fallout 07-01-2005, 03:39 PM Anyone ever notice Bush never talks when Cheny is drinking water? Sara 07-01-2005, 03:44 PM And ROVE is perfectly sane/intelligent/rational.....THIS MAKES HIM EVIL. Do you watch, or did you catch last weeks "American Dad"? They had Karl Rove as the devil orchestrating a campaign to make the guy a deacon! neils7147933 07-08-2005, 06:04 PM http://www.rense.com/general66/kim.htm Lil' Kim Perjured - How About Colin Powell? By Douglas Herman douglasherman7@yahoo.com 7-7-5 Lil Kim, (4 feet 10 inches) notorious rap singer, lied to protect her posse. Colin Powell, notorious UN testifier, lied to protect his posse. Little Kim claimed she didn't know. Secretary of State Colin Powell claimed he didn't know. The dimuitive rapper, protege' of Notorious B.I.G, is heading to jail for lying. 366 days. Meanwhile, former Secretary of State Powell, protege of Notorious Big Dick Cheney, Buddy of "Big Rummie" Rumsfeld and sidekick of "Wolfman" Wolfowitz, might be lapping up the luxury of his cushy retirement. No jail cell in his jive-ass future for lying. Indeed lies are standard operating procedure for the gangsta rappers surrounding the White House. What-the-hell, only about 120,000 people have reportedly been killed so far, for the combined Perjuries of Powell, the whoppers of Wolfowitz, the Frauds of Rumsfeld, the Chicaneries of Cheney and Bombastic Bull**** of Bush. By comparison, Lil' Kim caused NO ONE to die. One man was reportedly hurt in the shootout between rival possees. Too bad Kimberley Jones---Lil' Kim--didn't spin her lies around a political agenda and wrap it in patriotic slogans and religious allusions. The raunchy songstress should have surrounded herself with a posse of greedy Teflon Neocons. Nothing seems to scratch those guys and nothing ever will. Whenever they get in trouble, they simply spawn more posse members--judges, generals, commentators, and pompous religious leaders to get them off the hook. Maybe if Lil' Kim spent less time honing her booty busting ryhmes and shaking her breasts, and more time figuring out how to take over whole countries, like Neocon Sista, Condi Rice, she wouldn't be risking jail time. But who the hell cares about some sleazy Black rap singer? Or should I say, Who the hell cares about equal justice for equal crimes? Obviously, not the appropriately named Judge Lynch. After all, Black rap singers aren't polite, white, and less than forthright. Of course, don't be surprised if the average Black soldier overseas, spreading "democracy," sees through the racial overtones. When Lil' Kim lies and goes to jail, what about the con jobs who lied an entire nation into war and sent them overseas? No matter what you may think of Hip Hop or Rap music, or think of Lil Kim, this travesty of justice is just another Neo-Con job. Douglas Herman writes regularly for Rense and is the author of the recent novel, The Guns of Dallas available online or autographed copies may be purchased directly from the author at douglasherman7@yahoo.com Explosivo 07-08-2005, 06:08 PM http://www.rense.com/general66/kim.htm Lil' Kim Perjured - How About Colin Powell? By Douglas Herman douglasherman7@yahoo.com 7-7-5 Lil Kim, (4 feet 10 inches) notorious rap singer, lied to protect her posse. Colin Powell, notorious UN testifier, lied to protect his posse. Little Kim claimed she didn't know. Secretary of State Colin Powell claimed he didn't know. The dimuitive rapper, protege' of Notorious B.I.G, is heading to jail for lying. 366 days. Meanwhile, former Secretary of State Powell, protege of Notorious Big Dick Cheney, Buddy of "Big Rummie" Rumsfeld and sidekick of "Wolfman" Wolfowitz, might be lapping up the luxury of his cushy retirement. No jail cell in his jive-ass future for lying. Indeed lies are standard operating procedure for the gangsta rappers surrounding the White House. What-the-hell, only about 120,000 people have reportedly been killed so far, for the combined Perjuries of Powell, the whoppers of Wolfowitz, the Frauds of Rumsfeld, the Chicaneries of Cheney and Bombastic Bull**** of Bush. By comparison, Lil' Kim caused NO ONE to die. One man was reportedly hurt in the shootout between rival possees. Too bad Kimberley Jones---Lil' Kim--didn't spin her lies around a political agenda and wrap it in patriotic slogans and religious allusions. The raunchy songstress should have surrounded herself with a posse of greedy Teflon Neocons. Nothing seems to scratch those guys and nothing ever will. Whenever they get in trouble, they simply spawn more posse members--judges, generals, commentators, and pompous religious leaders to get them off the hook. Maybe if Lil' Kim spent less time honing her booty busting ryhmes and shaking her breasts, and more time figuring out how to take over whole countries, like Neocon Sista, Condi Rice, she wouldn't be risking jail time. But who the hell cares about some sleazy Black rap singer? Or should I say, Who the hell cares about equal justice for equal crimes? Obviously, not the appropriately named Judge Lynch. After all, Black rap singers aren't polite, white, and less than forthright. Of course, don't be surprised if the average Black soldier overseas, spreading "democracy," sees through the racial overtones. When Lil' Kim lies and goes to jail, what about the con jobs who lied an entire nation into war and sent them overseas? No matter what you may think of Hip Hop or Rap music, or think of Lil Kim, this travesty of justice is just another Neo-Con job. Douglas Herman writes regularly for Rense and is the author of the recent novel, The Guns of Dallas available online or autographed copies may be purchased directly from the author at douglasherman7@yahoo.com Amusing, but they proved Lil Kim was lying. As far as I have seen no one has proved anything against any of the Bush people. PBDS 07-08-2005, 06:08 PM http://www.rense.com/general66/kim.htm Lil' Kim Perjured - How About Colin Powell? By Douglas Herman douglasherman7@yahoo.com 7-7-5 Lil Kim, (4 feet 10 inches) notorious rap singer, lied to protect her posse. Colin Powell, notorious UN testifier, lied to protect his posse. Little Kim claimed she didn't know. Secretary of State Colin Powell claimed he didn't know. The dimuitive rapper, protege' of Notorious B.I.G, is heading to jail for lying. 366 days. Meanwhile, former Secretary of State Powell, protege of Notorious Big Dick Cheney, Buddy of "Big Rummie" Rumsfeld and sidekick of "Wolfman" Wolfowitz, might be lapping up the luxury of his cushy retirement. No jail cell in his jive-ass future for lying. Indeed lies are standard operating procedure for the gangsta rappers surrounding the White House. What-the-hell, only about 120,000 people have reportedly been killed so far, for the combined Perjuries of Powell, the whoppers of Wolfowitz, the Frauds of Rumsfeld, the Chicaneries of Cheney and Bombastic Bull**** of Bush. By comparison, Lil' Kim caused NO ONE to die. One man was reportedly hurt in the shootout between rival possees. Too bad Kimberley Jones---Lil' Kim--didn't spin her lies around a political agenda and wrap it in patriotic slogans and religious allusions. The raunchy songstress should have surrounded herself with a posse of greedy Teflon Neocons. Nothing seems to scratch those guys and nothing ever will. Whenever they get in trouble, they simply spawn more posse members--judges, generals, commentators, and pompous religious leaders to get them off the hook. Maybe if Lil' Kim spent less time honing her booty busting ryhmes and shaking her breasts, and more time figuring out how to take over whole countries, like Neocon Sista, Condi Rice, she wouldn't be risking jail time. But who the hell cares about some sleazy Black rap singer? Or should I say, Who the hell cares about equal justice for equal crimes? Obviously, not the appropriately named Judge Lynch. After all, Black rap singers aren't polite, white, and less than forthright. Of course, don't be surprised if the average Black soldier overseas, spreading "democracy," sees through the racial overtones. When Lil' Kim lies and goes to jail, what about the con jobs who lied an entire nation into war and sent them overseas? No matter what you may think of Hip Hop or Rap music, or think of Lil Kim, this travesty of justice is just another Neo-Con job. Douglas Herman writes regularly for Rense and is the author of the recent novel, The Guns of Dallas available online or autographed copies may be purchased directly from the author at douglasherman7@yahoo.com ...I'm just glad it gives the authors email address. If that ****er thinks he has been stalked before he got a surprise comin. Dr.Depravity 07-08-2005, 06:44 PM I like them all. I havent seen liberals this afraid in well... forever. Maybe during the Regan administration, but I doubt it. If your a liberal, stop *****ing and save it for ****ing election year. Dude 07-08-2005, 11:30 PM ...I'm just glad it gives the authors email address. If that ****er thinks he has been stalked before he got a surprise comin. What are you gonna do? Throw burning crosses through his window and hang him? :p ...the educated way to show dissaproval I guess. Eeyore 07-08-2005, 11:59 PM Remember when Condoleezza Rice accidentally referred to George W. Bush as her husband? LOL LuKahnLi 07-11-2005, 06:40 PM I like them all. I havent seen liberals this afraid in well... forever. Maybe during the Regan administration, but I doubt it. If your a liberal, stop *****ing and save it for ****ing election year. Don't mistake frustration for fear. Explosivo 07-11-2005, 07:01 PM Is anyone paying attention to the news right now? It looks like Karl Rove may be indicted for outing that Valarie Plame CIA chick. Man, that would be nice. LuKahnLi 07-11-2005, 07:12 PM Is anyone paying attention to the news right now? It looks like Karl Rove may be indicted for outing that Valarie Plame CIA chick. Man, that would be nice. Oh so that is what that Headline is? AWESOME!!! though with Rove I was kind of hoping they would find out he is part of a white slavery or kiddie **** ring......I will settle for this. oldgringo 07-11-2005, 07:22 PM Is anyone paying attention to the news right now? It looks like Karl Rove may be indicted for outing that Valarie Plame CIA chick. Man, that would be nice. Thank ****ing god. Have you guys ever seen Bushs Brain? They discussed him exploiting her in that too. Shes married to that diplomat right? I forget his name... This is what is on cnn.com WASHINGTON (AP) -- For two years, the White House has insisted that presidential adviser Karl Rove had nothing to do with the leak of a CIA officer's identity. And President Bush said the leaker would be fired. But Bush's spokesman wouldn't repeat any of those assertions Monday in the face of Rove's own lawyer saying his client spoke with at least one reporter about Valerie Plame's role at the CIA before she was identified in a newspaper column. Rove described the woman to a reporter as someone who "apparently works" at the CIA, according to an e-mail obtained by Newsweek magazine. White House press secretary Scott McClellan refused to discuss the matter at two news briefings Monday. He said he would not comment because the leak is the focus of a federal criminal investigation. "The prosecutors overseeing the investigation had expressed a preference to us that one way to help the investigation is not to be commenting on it from this podium," McClellan said in response to a barrage of questions about Rove and the previous White House denials. "I'm well aware, like you, of what was previously said," McClellan said. "And I will be glad to talk about it at the appropriate time." He said the appropriate time would be when the investigation is completed. Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. LuKahnLi 07-11-2005, 07:31 PM YESSS! KARMA!!!! You CAN'T ESCAPE KARMA ROVE!!!! Shaolin Bushido 07-12-2005, 11:51 PM DubDubDubya. Explosivo 07-13-2005, 10:05 AM So now it will be interesting to see how Bush is going to get out of that comment by him last year where he said that anyone in his administration who was found to leak information like that will be fired. Did anyone read (or see video) of the White House press confrence yesterday where Scott Mclellan was doing the chicken dance around all the questions about Rove? Pretty good **** if you havent seen it. Slipx 07-13-2005, 10:19 AM i voted for cheney, someone needs to wipe out his whole family and eliminate his seed from the earth. neils7147933 08-24-2005, 12:56 PM http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7152/mybuddy18uv.jpg strongisland24 08-24-2005, 01:27 PM i don't get why everyone believes what the media spins. The media is the worst part of the world. If you're still hung up on Kerry would have done a better job, then you don't know politics. Bush isn't our greatest president but the best one running. Both Cheney and Rice are very smart people. rocco1252 08-24-2005, 01:45 PM I say bring back the Reagan administration! neils7147933 08-24-2005, 01:48 PM I say bring back the Reagan administration! Dammit, rocco I go to all that effort to get your karma bar blue, and you wanna go **** it up with nonsense...(smilie) I'm not bumping your karma bar up again rocco1252 08-24-2005, 01:52 PM Dammit, rocco I go to all that effort to get your karma bar blue, and you wanna go **** it up with nonsense...(smilie) I'm not bumping your karma bar up again fine the nixon administration then, does that make you feel better? neils7147933 09-21-2006, 04:32 PM <img src="http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/september2006/210906bushrove.jpg"> Bush Propaganda Architect Rove Promises October Surprise Bush administration PR guru and master political strategist Karl Rove has "promised" an October surprise that will help the Republicans to win both congressional houses in November. Will this curveball be another helpful Bush campaign endorsement on behalf of Osama Bin Laden or something far worse? <a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/210906octobersurprise.htm">http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/210906octobersurprise.htm</a> strongisland24 09-21-2006, 05:46 PM damn liberals.... neils7147933 09-25-2006, 11:34 AM <H2 style="MARGIN: 20px 0px 0px">Bush Offers Himself Amnesty for Human Rights Crimes</H2> <H5 style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 20px">By Robert Parry, Consortium News<BR>Posted on September 25, 2006, Printed on September 25, 2006<BR>http://www.alternet.org/story/42093/</H5> <P>The United States is following the lead of "dirty war" nations, such as Argentina and Chile, in enacting what amounts to an amnesty law protecting U.S. government operatives, apparently up to and including President George W. Bush, who have committed or are responsible for human rights crimes.</P> <P>While the focus of the current congressional debate has been on Bush's demands to redefine torture and to reinterpret the Geneva Conventions, the compromise legislation also would block prosecutions for violations already committed during the five-year-old "war on terror."</P> <P>The compromise legislation bars criminal or civil legal action over past violations of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, according to press reports. Common Article 3 outlaws "violence to life and person," such as death and mutilation as well as cruel treatment and "outrages upon personal dignity."</P> <P>The legislation now before Congress also would prohibit detainees from citing the Geneva Conventions as a legal basis for challenging their imprisonment or for seeking civil damages for their mistreatment.</P> <P>Since U.S. courts generally limit plaintiff status to people who have suffered definable harm, these provisions amount to a broad amnesty law for Bush and other administration officials who have engaged in human rights violations since the 9/11 attacks.</P> <P>Given the scope of Common Article 3, covering abuses ranging from personal humiliations to death, the legislation could prevent -- or at least severely complicate -- any legal accountability in U.S. courts for officials who have committed these offenses.</P> <P>Though administration officials have said these provisions are meant to protect CIA and other government operatives in the field, the provisions also could shield senior officials up the line of command who granted the authority for acts of torture and other abuses.</P> <P>These implicated officials could include Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and administration legal advisers who supplied rationales for the abuses, as well as officials who signed off on the human rights violations, such as military commanders and President Bush.</P> <P><B>'Dirty war' precedents</B></P> <P>In effect, this legislation could be interpreted as a broad amnesty law, like those enacted by legislatures in Argentina and Chile to give cover to government officials who waged "dirty wars" against leftists and other political opponents in the 1970s.</P> <P>Because of those amnesty laws, many perpetrators of torture, "disappearances" and extrajudicial killings were spared punishment even after the grisly details of their crimes against humanity emerged from the secret records.</P> <P>In some cases, the amnesty laws were later repealed or courts struck down some provisions. But the legal delays frustrated demands for justice from victims and often the aging perpetrators then cited infirmities to prevent ever being brought to trial.</P> <P>For instance, Chile is still trying to untangle the amnesty protections that were used to shield dictator Augusto Pinochet from prosecution. Pinochet, who is now 90, has also employed the infirmity defense.</P> <P>The legal delays have had political consequences, too, especially in the United States where complicit American officials <A href="http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/092106.html">escaped virtually all accountability</A>, even to their reputations.</P> <P>Some countries, such as South Africa, have combined amnesty for human rights violators with requirements that the guilty cooperate with truth commissions. That way, at least the historical record can be assembled and the crimes of state can be exposed as lessons for future generations.</P> <P>The emerging U.S. amnesty law would be unusual in that it wouldn't explicitly acknowledge that offenses had been committed, nor is the word "amnesty" used. Nor have there been public hearings in Congress to determine what the Bush administration might have done that requires amnesty.</P> <P>Nevertheless, the legislation, which seems to be gaining bipartisan support, would create broad areas of legal protections for Bush and other human rights violators for past crimes. By also barring victims from seeking enforcement of the Geneva Conventions in U.S. courts, the bill would give the Bush administration wide latitude for future acts of abuse.</P> <P>Yet, this troubling "amnesty" signpost -- for an America rushing down a path marked by previous "dirty war" states -- has been passed with barely a comment on its significance. </P> <P><I>Robert Parry's new book is <A href="http://www.secrecyandprivilege.com/">Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq</A>." </I></P> <H5 style="MARGIN: 30px 0px 20px">© 2006 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.<BR>View this story online at: <A href="http://www.alternet.org/story/42093/">http://www.alternet.org/story/42093/</A></H5> <P style="MARGIN: 30px 0px 20px"> </P> BLOODSHED 09-25-2006, 01:31 PM I can't believe I voted for Rice. Dick Cheney and easily. Profiting off Iraq 1), wanted to keep Mandela in jail 2) is anti-gay and his daughter is a lesbian 3) and is an out of touch ******* 4). RAESAAD 09-25-2006, 01:58 PM I picked that liar Ari Fleisher puppet........I like Rummy because he is funny even though he is a dip ****. neils7147933 10-05-2006, 01:07 PM <img src="http://infowars.net/pictures/Oct06/051006rumsfeld_lg.jpg"> Al Qaeda Tapes: Direct Link To Military Psyops And Donald Rumsfeld Following on from our three features on the latest dubious Al Qaeda video, We can reveal that further investigation into the origin of Al Qaeda video and tape release leads straight back to US military intelligence and Donald Rumsfeld. <a href="http://infowars.net/articles/October2006/051006Rumsfeld.htm">http://infowars.net/articles/October2006/051006Rumsfeld.htm</a> |