To me ufc has fighters that are currently the best in the world. Pride has tons of fighters that have big names. Unfortunatly for pride, all of there big name fighters are old ufc fighters. Or they are fighters that dont belong in mma (Sapp). I would take Arlovski, Hughes, Liddel, Parisian, Coutour, and Tanner against any pride fighters in their division.

Who would you take against Pride or Who would you take from Pride to go against UFC?

A lot of people would disagree with you on that, but its not as big a gap as it used to be.

There are reasons for it, many of which I shouldn't really discuss as they will etheir 1. Cause pointless fighting 2. Break a promise I made to a friend of mine about some interesting information he gave me.

Ethier way, you will probably get some heat from people here over your statement, but its not far from the truth.

Arlovski is UFC's best fighter. He'd give Fedor, Nogueira, CroCop and Sergei great fights.

Chuck Liddell over Rampage? We know that one. Chuck Liddell over Shogun , Silva, Minotoro? I'm sure Chuck was surprised as the rest of us when the UFC judges gave him the win over Amar, even with the weight difference. His fight with Bustamante should have been a draw.

Couture against Silva, Rampage, Shogun, Minotoro? Couture is a rooster, but these would be very tough fights for him.

Tanner in comparison to Kondo, Henderson, Bustamante, Minowa, Chonan, Amar Suloev. Yea, I'm sure he could win some, but *any*?

Yea, a lot of these guys have fought for the UFC, but that doesn't mean anything. It just means UFC promotors are sheisters and can't keep a good fighter when they get one. Dana didn't train these guys or make them who they are today.

Pride has the best fighters. Fedor, CroCop, Noguera, or Kharatonov would all most likely beat any of the UFC Heavyweights, Arvloski would be the only one to give any of them trouble. In the LHW group Pride has the three of the top 5 with Silva, Rampage, and Shogun. Rampage beat the snot out of Chuck and Silva and Shogun whooped up on Rampage pretty good. I agree UFC has better fighters at 185 and 170, 185 is kinda a toss up though, I'd love to see Rich Franklin or Evan Tanner fight Hendo, Kondo, or Sakuraba. As for all of there big name fighters being UFC vets, Out of the first 7 guys I names, Vanderlei Silva is the only to have fought in UFC...

Sapp is with K-1, not Pride.

Sapp is with K-1, not Pride.



Go check the pride webpage jackass

Sapp is with K-1, not Pride.


He is 2 and 1 in pride. So before you open your mouth make sure you know what the **** you are talking about.

LOL @ this asshole, he fought in Pride/K-1 mix shows. K-1 and Pride used to loan eachother fighters before Takada and Inoki had a falling out. So before you open your mouth Know what the **** you're talking about....

kaps is correct, bob sapp is a k-1 contracted fighter. he's had 3 fights in pride, but about 12 fights in K-1.

Go check the pride webpage jackass
Hahahah, Pride website also has Matt Serra listed who has never fought for them so being on their website is meaningless dumbass.

It also has Chuck Liddell. So I guess that means he's a pride fighter too?

I <3 smart ass noobies.

they make my 8=====> happy

Well, at least we have some n00bs to make fun of now. This place needs new blood. Educate him guys, don't just wave your dicks around, trying to prove yours is bigger.

True, but when they start attacking more knowlegable posters with lines like "So before you open your mouth make sure you know what the **** you are talking about.", and are wrong about it, they deserve a good flaiming....

listen here bitches i never said the sapp was exclusively with Pride. I responded that he fought in Pride. I dont give a **** about if it was mixed with k1. He still was paid by Pride. Which is exactly why i said UFC is better. They wouldnt even allow someone with as little skill as sapp into the octogon. Which is exactly why UFC is better then Pride, they only sign the best.

So what, Chuck Liddell was paid by pride too, since you think he's the best, wouldnt that make Pride better? Face it, no UFC Heavyweight could bang with Fedor, CroCop, or Noguera, and Chuck Liddell is currently Ranked #5 in LHWs on fightsport fallowing Silva, Shogun, Arona, and Rampage, all Pride fighters. I prefer UFC but Pride has the best fighters at the moment....

I don't even really need to post in this argument cause kaps took care of it 100% already.

Does this guy even watch Pride? Arvloski got tooled by Pedro Rizzo who just got beat down by Pride's #4 heavyweight. chuck Liddell got beat down by Rampage, who has gotten killed by Silva and Shogun. Try watching more the last couple of UFC's before coming here and running off at the mouth with that bullshit.

****ing n00bs, mang.

He still was paid by Pride. Which is exactly why i said UFC is better. They wouldnt even allow someone with as little skill as sapp into the octogon.

Kevin Jordan, Wes Sims, Jonathan Wiezorek, Wade Shipp...Bringing back Tank Abbott with a really expensive contract? Kimo? Tiki? Eddie Ruiz?

Sometimes bringing in a freak even though he is a horrible fighter, like Sapp or Tank Abbott, is worth it because of the extra PPV buys he attracts.

well Rickson Gracie never stepped foot in UFC so i'm gonna have to go with Pride on this one.

If Sapp were in the UFC I would probably rank him as the #2 heavyweight there even though he has no skills at all.

Does this guy even watch Pride? Arvloski got tooled by Pedro Rizzo who just got beat down by Pride's #4 heavyweight. chuck Liddell got beat down by Rampage, who has gotten killed by Silva and Shogun. Try watching more the last couple of UFC's before coming here and running off at the mouth with that bullshit.

Listen here. I have been watching UFC back when Gracie V Shamrock was happening. Which im sure was way before a lot of you. I have been a supporter of UFC for ever now. Now i admit that i do not watch pride regularly but when i have they have done nothin to impress me. Yes there are good fighters in Pride, but one of the main differences between the two is the fact that pride is willing to sign fighters that dont deserve the contract. Yes, my prime example is Sapp. Now you guys said that he only fought in pride becaue it was a mixed thing with K-1. That right there is what im talking about. Why should Sapp be givin the opportunity to fight in a real mma show. UFC only signs the guys that are good enough fight for them. Like i said , I feel UFC is a better company than pride (Other then DANAS problems to keep talent) And i would still put my picks against anyone in Pride. And thats my opinion, and now you now how i feel.

so because it's assumed that most of us haven't seen UFC since day 1, and despite the fact that we've all seen just about every Pride event and have 3 pages of feedback that's indicated specific Pride fighters and matches that have countered every example that you've given, then we're now unable to see the 'fact' that pride signs underqualified fighters?

the boat left and i wasn't on it.

Your argument is weak dude, Cesaro just listed a whole host of shitty fighters UFC signed, and explained why the UFC and Pride do this....

listen here bitches i never said the sapp was exclusively with Pride. I responded that he fought in Pride. I dont give a **** about if it was mixed with k1. He still was paid by Pride. Which is exactly why i said UFC is better. They wouldnt even allow someone with as little skill as sapp into the octogon. Which is exactly why UFC is better then Pride, they only sign the best.
Ok, now you are asking for it. Do yourself a favour and back off for a bit.

UFC would do the very same thing Pride does *IF THEY COULD AFFORD TO*! Pride uses a few freaks for attractions and as a result they can do things like put on Pride Shockwave which sells out Tokyo Dome. Pride can do things like bring in Olympic gold medalists. Pride can take away UFC champions and number one contenders. Pride can afford Vanderlei Silva, Quinton Jackson, Rodrigo/Rogerio Nogueira, Shogun, Ninja, Fedor, CroCop, Sergei, Sakuraba, Gomi, Kawajiri, Hansen, Bustamante, Dan Henderson, Chonan, Yoshida, Pulver, Mark Hunt, Igor Vovchanchyn, Kevin Randleman, Arona, Nakamura, Yuki Kondo, various Gracies, Sakurai, Pedro Rizzo, Mario Sperry, Tom Erikson, Fabricio Werdum(who is going to be a ****ing badass). So yea, if Pride isn't doing anything to impress, then something is a little strange.. I remember when Pride 10 and Pride 17 used to top almost everyone's favorite MMA event lists, and now they've put on shows so much better those are nearly forgotten.

If UFC could afford to have Andrei Arlovski fight Bill Goldberg, you know they would do it. If they are willing to give Tank Abbott such an expensive contract after such a long time away simply because of his video store following, they would definitely bring in some pro-wrestlers or washed up professional boxers.

UFC would do the very same thing Pride does *IF THEY COULD AFFORD TO*! Pride uses a few freaks for attractions and as a result they can do things like put on Pride Shockwave which sells out Tokyo Dome. Pride can do things like bring in Olympic gold medalists. Pride can take away UFC champions and number one contenders. Pride can afford Vanderlei Silva, Quinton Jackson, Rodrigo/Rogerio Nogueira, Shogun, Ninja, Fedor, CroCop, Sergei, Sakuraba, Gomi, Kawajiri, Hansen, Bustamante, Dan Henderson, Chonan, Yoshida, Pulver, Mark Hunt, Igor Vovchanchyn, Kevin Randleman, Arona, Nakamura, Yuki Kondo, various Gracies, Sakurai, Pedro Rizzo, Mario Sperry, Tom Erikson, Fabricio Werdum(who is going to be a ****ing badass). So yea, if Pride isn't doing anything to impress, then something is a little strange.. I remember when Pride 10 and Pride 17 used to top almost everyone's favorite MMA event lists, and now they've put on shows so much better those are nearly forgotten.

If UFC could afford to have Andrei Arlovski fight Bill Goldberg, you know they would do it. If they are willing to give Tank Abbott such an expensive contract after such a long time away simply because of his video store following, they would definitely bring in some pro-wrestlers or washed up professional boxers.

Tank is a veteran. He was around way back when. If there is any guy that i have seen that dosent have any martial arts skill that is still dangerous to everyfighterit him. Unlike Sapp. And if pride has so much money to buy fighters and sell out the tokyo dome then why cant they convince american audiances about their program being better than UFC(Do a media campaign). If they have so much money how come they cant influence TV companies like ****e to put them on. If there so good how come fighters themselves that arent in Pride or UFC say they want to be in the UFC.How come they say they made it to the big time when they leave Pride for the UFC You see, me personally, i would tend to listen to the fighters when they say that UFC is where the best fighters on earth are.
Cause as we all know, this room is filled with a bunch of guys that couldnt really do a ****in thing that they say other fighters should do, (he should of kicked,he should have grappled more, etc...)
i guess what i am saying is that why should i listen to a room full of guys that are essentially arm chair quarterbacks, when they tell me that pride is better, when i can listen to the fighters themselves, when they say UFC is better.

I have never heard a fighter that came from Pride say that UFC is better or more competitive unless they got their ass handed to them in Japan. Chuck (UFC champ) went over to Pride thinking he was gonna win the GP, and got beat down so bad by Rampage that his corner had to throw in the towel. Andre Arvloski (UFC Champ) got knocked out by Pedro Rizzo who just got the snot kicked out of him by Pride's #4 or #5 heavyweight. HOw many more examples must we give you to prove you're wrong? Name anyone from UFC that could go to Pride and win consistantly. Anybody you can name will get shot down I gurantee, not just with bullshit OPINIONS, but with facts.

listen to me.

I train with:

6 UFC veterans - Din Thomas, Aaron Riley, Jeff Monson, Mike Brown, Hermes Franca, Dennis "Superman" Hallman

3 Pride Veterans - Aaron Riley, Marcus Aurelio, Denis Kang

Shooto veterans - #1 contender for the 185lbs (83kg) title Dustin "Clean" Denis, Gesicias Calvacante (who lost from wahti hear a bullshit decission to Juacine Hanson), Hermes Franca, Aaron Riley, Din Thomas

Inokee Boom Bye Ye veterans - Din Thomas

and plenty of other guys who are national/international BJJ champions, MMA title holders and the like (I can run down a list if you want.)

everyone one of these guys knows where the talent and the money is at. Just so you know the answer is Japan.

UFC has talent don't get me wrong buts its not on the lvl of Pride. Pride has THE BEST 155/160lbs class anywhere. They took EVERYONE. There is no competition

There 170lbs/185lbs class is SMASHING. Chonan OBLITERATED Carlos Newton and will dismantle Baroni next event. Anderson Silva would kill ANYONE UFC has. Murilo Bustamante left UFc as their champ to go to Pride and ahs never looked back.

Nor have I ever heard of any Pride fighter goin to the UFC.

At 205lbs UFC has talent but not as much as Pride. UFC has Chuck, Randy and now Horn but who else? Granted they have alot of talent in those 3 but its only 3 people. Pride has Silva, Shogun, Ninja, Rampage, Igor, Arona, Noguera, and thats just names floating around in my head. if UFC took there 3 fighters against any 3 from the Pride list I mentioned I say UFC comes out 1-2.

Heavyweights there isn't even a need to get into cause UFC has 1 count em 1 a SINGLE good heavyweight. Against Pride's Noguera, Fedor, Herring, Alexandre, Cro Cop, there isn't even a point to naming anymore.

Pride wins hands down if for no other reason than they have the $ to put on a better show so they do. They have the $ to hire the talent and put in the time and effort to get exciting intense matches with ACTIVE fighters to make something people wanna watch.

Also understand that in Japan Pride/Shooto/Inoke Boom Bye Ye/Deep/etc.. are showen on basic television. Like Japan's ABC,CBS,NBC type stations. Pride packs a 70,000 person arena where UFC barely broke 12,000 after a cable show (them doing so was unheard of strictly from their PPV alone).

I can sympathise with your plight to feel that the american promotion is better but understand that its not, there is just no way to. they lack the funds and ability to be able to put on a show to compete with DSE.

Arguing with a n00b is pointless... Fun, but pointless.

Wes Sims is the UFC's Bob Sapp.

Listen young man, you just threw your whole argument out the window by admiting that you don't watch Pride. How can you truly compare the two if you're basing your opinions just by watching one of the products. Makes no sense to me.

Rasta give us a list of these so called BEST fighters that UFC has. We've thrown names out at you, i want to see who is so high on your list.

and this time try countering to the specific points thrown back at you. if you name fighters & events and then get countered with fighters & events then don't squirrel out to the ol' "armchair quarterback" attempts. 99% of sports fans aren't professional athletes. that doesn't mean they don't know events, statistics, athletes, and their styles. besides, most of the posters here train, and some fight. which means that they're knowledgable enough to give feedback that's gonna make sense.

Tank is a veteran, but he is still an ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE fighter. Everyone knows this, including Dana.. He was only signed because of the increased PPV ratings he brought.

I have never heard a fighter that came from Pride say that UFC is better or more competitive unless they got their ass handed to them in Japan. Chuck (UFC champ) went over to Pride thinking he was gonna win the GP, and got beat down so bad by Rampage that his corner had to throw in the towel. Andre Arvloski (UFC Champ) got knocked out by Pedro Rizzo who just got the snot kicked out of him by Pride's #4 or #5 heavyweight. HOw many more examples must we give you to prove you're wrong? Name anyone from UFC that could go to Pride and win consistantly. Anybody you can name will get shot down I gurantee, not just with bullshit OPINIONS, but with facts.


You act like there is fighter in Pride that could go to ufc and win everyfight as well

Arguing with a n00b is pointless... Fun, but pointless.

Wes Sims is the UFC's Bob Sapp.

Listen young man, you just threw your whole argument out the window by admiting that you don't watch Pride. How can you truly compare the two if you're basing your opinions just by watching one of the products. Makes no sense to me.


God dont you people read everything someone says. I said i dont watch every event they put on. I didnt say that i dont watch pride.

The more you post, the dumber you make yourself look. Time to move on to another subject dude....

and this time try countering to the specific points thrown back at you. if you name fighters & events and then get countered with fighters & events then don't squirrel out to the ol' "armchair quarterback" attempts. 99% of sports fans aren't professional athletes. that doesn't mean they don't know events, statistics, athletes, and their styles. besides, most of the posters here train, and some fight. which means that they're knowledgable enough to give feedback that's gonna make sense.


Does anyone know where Royce Gracie trains at.

You act like there is fighter in Pride that could go to ufc and win everyfight as well
1. Fedor for certain
2. Nog for sure
2. Cro-cop more than likely
3. Vanderlei Silva in LHW
4. Shogun in LHW, although Randy could give him trouble
5. Rampage in LHW
6. Dan Henderson or Bustamate for the rest of the croud.

So please bless us now with your list.

This is who i would bring to fight Pride

Randy Couture 13-7
Jeremy Horn 85-13-5
Chuck Liddell 16-3
Rich Franklin 20-1
Matt Lindland 14-3
Evan Tanner 33-5
Ivan Salaverry 9-3-1
Mark Weir 17-2
Robbie Lawler 8-3
David Loiseau 10-2
Matt Hughes 38-4
Karo Parisyan 22-3
Georges St. Pierre 9-1
Frank Trigg 12-3
Eves Edwards 25-8-1



Here something else i wanted to show you
Vitor Belfort 4-1
Mark Colemen 7-3
Don Frye 3-3
Gary Goodridge 10-9
Frank Trigg 1-0
Tracy Telligman 1-1
Ricco Rodriguez 3-1
Kevin Randellman 4-2
Chuck Liddell 2-1
Carlos Newton 5-4
Jeremy Horn 2-0
Mark Kerr 6-4
Wvaderlei Silva 17-0
Dan Henderson 6-3
Royce Gracie 1-1-1

What this is is a list of former or current UFC fighters and their Record against Pride Fighters. So i guess my point is that this list shows that UFC can go over to pride still win or if nothing else pull even.
Now show the records of the guys that went to UFC to fight and what there records were.

heres my reply. Where you guys at.

listen to me.

I train with:

6 UFC veterans - Din Thomas, Aaron Riley, Jeff Monson, Mike Brown, Hermes Franca, Dennis "Superman" Hallman

3 Pride Veterans - Aaron Riley, Marcus Aurelio, Denis Kang

Shooto veterans - #1 contender for the 185lbs (83kg) title Dustin "Clean" Denis, Gesicias Calvacante (who lost from wahti hear a bullshit decission to Juacine Hanson), Hermes Franca, Aaron Riley, Din Thomas

Inokee Boom Bye Ye veterans - Din Thomas

and plenty of other guys who are national/international BJJ champions, MMA title holders and the like (I can run down a list if you want.)

everyone one of these guys knows where the talent and the money is at. Just so you know the answer is Japan.

UFC has talent don't get me wrong buts its not on the lvl of Pride. Pride has THE BEST 155/160lbs class anywhere. They took EVERYONE. There is no competition

There 170lbs/185lbs class is SMASHING. Chonan OBLITERATED Carlos Newton and will dismantle Baroni next event. Anderson Silva would kill ANYONE UFC has. Murilo Bustamante left UFc as their champ to go to Pride and ahs never looked back.

Nor have I ever heard of any Pride fighter goin to the UFC.

At 205lbs UFC has talent but not as much as Pride. UFC has Chuck, Randy and now Horn but who else? Granted they have alot of talent in those 3 but its only 3 people. Pride has Silva, Shogun, Ninja, Rampage, Igor, Arona, Noguera, and thats just names floating around in my head. if UFC took there 3 fighters against any 3 from the Pride list I mentioned I say UFC comes out 1-2.

Heavyweights there isn't even a need to get into cause UFC has 1 count em 1 a SINGLE good heavyweight. Against Pride's Noguera, Fedor, Herring, Alexandre, Cro Cop, there isn't even a point to naming anymore.

Pride wins hands down if for no other reason than they have the $ to put on a better show so they do. They have the $ to hire the talent and put in the time and effort to get exciting intense matches with ACTIVE fighters to make something people wanna watch.

Also understand that in Japan Pride/Shooto/Inoke Boom Bye Ye/Deep/etc.. are showen on basic television. Like Japan's ABC,CBS,NBC type stations. Pride packs a 70,000 person arena where UFC barely broke 12,000 after a cable show (them doing so was unheard of strictly from their PPV alone).

I can sympathise with your plight to feel that the american promotion is better but understand that its not, there is just no way to. they lack the funds and ability to be able to put on a show to compete with DSE.
I don't know about some of the things you have said there Ben. HW is clearly PRIDE but all the other levels they are pretty much equal. Tanner and Franklin could easily had Chonan his ass IMO. At 170 there are guys like Trigg and Hughes and my boy Georges.

The UFC is growing. More and more Americans are going to follow MMA and its going to get to the point of professional boxing. MMA in Japan draws 70,000 beacuse of the pro wrestling feel that the japanese eat up. A lot of the fans there AREN'T hardcore fans. However the UFC could tap into the boxing markert and impress the kind of fans that pay 55$ for a boxing Pay per view. Then the UFC will have the money that DSE does. Maybe not on the same level, but they will be right there.

The UFC has done NOTHING but good for MMA and people here do NOTHING but put it down for trying to get to the level PRIDE is. Shame on all of you.

Does anyone know where Royce Gracie trains at.

Gracie Jiu Jitsu, Torrance, California...

What this is is a list of former or current UFC fighters and their Record against Pride Fighters. So i guess my point is that this list shows that UFC can go over to pride still win or if nothing else pull even.
Now show the records of the guys that went to UFC to fight and what there records were.


There hasnt been any, which sucks, because Pride has been supposed to have sent some fighters over for a while now. Sakuraba fought there before Pride even started and won an 8 man tournament.....

UFC has some great fighters, no ****ing doubt about it, guys like Rich Franklin, Andre Arvloski, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, and Matt Hughes are top notch competitors, but to say that Pride is weaker or has not the same level of fighters is ridiculous. If anything Pride has a higher talent pool....

Gracie Jiu Jitsu, Torrance, California...

Wrong Impact Matrial Arts in Fresno, Ca

I don't know about some of the things you have said there Ben. HW is clearly PRIDE but all the other levels they are pretty much equal. Tanner and Franklin could easily had Chonan his ass IMO. At 170 there are guys like Trigg and Hughes and my boy Georges.

The UFC is growing. More and more Americans are going to follow MMA and its going to get to the point of professional boxing. MMA in Japan draws 70,000 beacuse of the pro wrestling feel that the japanese eat up. A lot of the fans there AREN'T hardcore fans. However the UFC could tap into the boxing markert and impress the kind of fans that pay 55$ for a boxing Pay per view. Then the UFC will have the money that DSE does. Maybe not on the same level, but they will be right there.

The UFC has done NOTHING but good for MMA and people here do NOTHING but put it down for trying to get to the level PRIDE is. Shame on all of you.

Finally some agrees. I have been saying this shit all day. And everyone just blasts my opinion. Those are the same things that i said. Good Karma to you.

UFC has some great fighters, no ****ing doubt about it, guys like Rich Franklin, Andre Arvloski, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, and Matt Hughes are top notch competitors, but to say that Pride is weaker or has not the same level of fighters is ridiculous. If anything Pride has a higher talent pool....


I guess my thing is that i feel UFC is Under appreciated by everyone here and i will not back down from people who talk shit on it.

I've said 3 times in this thread that I prefer the UFC, but I dont discredit Pride or it's fighters, and at the moment, they have the better talent....

Wrong Impact Matrial Arts in Fresno, Ca


Wrong, he has schools all over the country and world, he doesnt train at/teach at all of them. The big Gracie acadamie is in Torrance, its ran by Rorion Gracie. Above the gym they have a Gracie museum, I'd like to check it out some day....

I don't know about some of the things you have said there Ben. HW is clearly PRIDE but all the other levels they are pretty much equal. Tanner and Franklin could easily had Chonan his ass IMO. At 170 there are guys like Trigg and Hughes and my boy Georges.

Franklin and Tanner are great, been said by almost everyone who's posted in this thread. There aint nobody in Pride that fights at 170lbs, so Trigg, Hughes, and GSP shouldnt even have been brought up but have all also recived props in this thread.

The UFC is growing. More and more Americans are going to follow MMA and its going to get to the point of professional boxing. MMA in Japan draws 70,000 beacuse of the pro wrestling feel that the japanese eat up. A lot of the fans there AREN'T hardcore fans. However the UFC could tap into the boxing markert and impress the kind of fans that pay 55$ for a boxing Pay per view. Then the UFC will have the money that DSE does. Maybe not on the same level, but they will be right there.
We still got to wait for this, but for now, the money is in Japan, that's why fighters prefer to fight over there which is what I think Ben was saying.

The UFC has done NOTHING but good for MMA and people here do NOTHING but put it down for trying to get to the level PRIDE is. Shame on all of you.

I agree, that UFC is great for MMA, but you need to read this thread before you say everyone is trying to put it down, Rastafag put down Pride in the very first post, and we have proved every point he has made wrong over and over. UFC is great, but pride is just as good and definatly has bigger talent at the moment...

Wrong, he has schools all over the country and world, he doesnt train at/teach at all of them. The big Gracie acadamie is in Torrance, its ran by Rorion Gracie. Above the gym they have a Gracie museum, I'd like to check it out some day....

Thats fine , but he lives in Fresno

Franklin and Tanner are great, been said by almost everyone who's posted in this thread. There aint nobody in Pride that fights at 170lbs, so Trigg, Hughes, and GSP shouldnt even have been brought up but have all also recived props in this thread.


We still got to wait for this, but for now, the money is in Japan, that's why fighters prefer to fight over there which is what I think Ben was saying.



I agree, that UFC is great for MMA, but you need to read this thread before you say everyone is trying to put it down, Rastafag put down Pride in the very first post, and we have proved every point he has made wrong over and over. UFC is great, but pride is just as good and definatly has bigger talent at the moment...



I dont know where you get off saying Rastafag. Look at you quote. Yes i understand you didnt say it, but you sure do sport it well.

Any other Oregonians on here? We sure are well represented in the UFC!
I just became a fan, and noticed how many great fighters come from Portland and the vicinity.

Thats fine , but he lives in Fresno

Okay, then why would he train at Impact Martial Arts when he has his own school in fresno? Or is his school located at Impact Martial arts?

Royce Gracie
Jiu-Jitsu Network of
Fresno, CA
Contact Person:
Tosh Cook
Tel Number:
(559) 322-4084

Any other Oregonians on here? We sure are well represented in the UFC!
I just became a fan, and noticed how many great fighters come from Portland and the vicinity.

If you are interested in training you should check out Team Quest. Randy Couture, Matt Linland, and many great fighters train up there....

I dont know where you get off saying Rastafag. Look at you quote. Yes i understand you didnt say it, but you sure do sport it well.

I guess I get off saying Rastafag like you do calling everyone else bitches..

listen here bitches

I dont even know what the rest of your post means....

Finally some agrees. I have been saying this shit all day. And everyone just blasts my opinion. Those are the same things that i said. Good Karma to you.
Actually, I don't agree with you. I just don't agree with them. Its not a black and white issue and we shouldn't assume anything. I have gotten burned in past when I stated what I thought was correct as what I KNEW was correct. Trust me, nothing is black and white and everyone here is putting down the other side without looking at their point of view. Take a lesson from me and shut your mouth before you end up with both feet in it.

I'm ****ing pissed drunk, but I will say that Pride owns that ufc propaganda, wrestling based, crap, t6hat could be better but is losing credibility over nationalist shit. anyway, **** you all.

Actually, I don't agree with you. I just don't agree with them. Its not a black and white issue and we shouldn't assume anything. I have gotten burned in past when I stated what I thought was correct as what I KNEW was correct. Trust me, nothing is black and white and everyone here is putting down the other side without looking at their point of view. Take a lesson from me and shut your mouth before you end up with both feet in it.

**** you to then.

Okay, then why would he train at Impact Martial Arts when he has his own school in fresno? Or is his school located at Impact Martial arts?

Royce Gracie
Jiu-Jitsu Network of
Fresno, CA
Contact Person:
Tosh Cook
Tel Number:
(559) 322-4084

He owns and operates Impact Martial Arts on Ashlan and Chestnut.
He even train the new recruits for our police department.

So that must be his Royce Gracie Jiu Jitsu gym just under another name?

I made this clown look dumb in a thread "Roy Jones vs Wanderlei Silva " so now hes here trying to see if anyone agrees with him and is making himself look like an idiot LMAO

Number 1 if you really watched mma you would know that tito was gone a while ago.

Number 2 Pride is the organization that carries all the old UFC fighters. Just like WWF V WCW.

Number 3 Pride also has fighters that arent real mma fighters. (Sapp)

Number 4 If they are so good how come they all want to be in the UFC.


Look at number 4 and he flames other people for not knowing what there talking about

Tank is a veteran. He was around way back when. If there is any guy that i have seen that dosent have any martial arts skill that is still dangerous to everyfighterit him.


Yet you flame Pride for having old UFC veterans who pose more of a threat then Tank.

Does that make sence to anyone else?

My advise to you RastaSmoker, if your going to flame Pride for doing something then dont try to defend the UFC when they do the same. If you feel that having old UFC veterans fight is bad then STICK with that argument even when the UFC does it. Otherwise you make yourself look like a complete tool. ;)

Just my advise, so in future agruements you might not look so dumb.

My advise to you RastaSmoker, if your going to flame Pride for doing something then dont try to defend the UFC when they do the same. If you feel that having old UFC veterans fight is bad then STICK with that argument even when the UFC does it. Otherwise you make yourself look like a complete tool. ;)

Just my advise, so in future agruements you might not look so dumb.

My thing is what did sapp ever do other then look big to fight in Pride. Tank on the other hand gave us some of the most spectacular knockouts of all time.

Hey you know what. All the people that i have been arguing with. It doesnt matter any more because I just found out i am going to be a father. I have been with my wife since we were 15. Now we are having our first child. So, im sorry for the argument. My opinion stays the same about pride and ufc, but right now its not that important. :bottle: :D


But tell me this argument hasnt been fun

Tank's most notable fights are him getting knocked out and his knock outs of fighters who are most notable for being knocked out in a brutal fashion by several other fighters.

Atleast Sapp has some wins over Ernesto Hoost and did a nice piledriver on Nogueira.

I can't say anything in this thread that hasn't been said already, except that I doubt many of the current fighters that are contracted to Pride want to take a major pay cut, and a loss of job stability by going to the UFC.

Bob Sapp hasn't fought in Pride in two or three years. Since the joint K-1/Pride Shockwave show a few summers ago. And technically, he never fought for Pride, he was just loaned to Pride for a couple shows when K-1 and Pride cross-promoted.

Oh yeah, and the "I've been watching UFC since the beginning" arguement holds little to no water for a couple reasons.

A. "The beginning" wasn't really that long ago (1993), so just about anybody who caught a UFC PPV back in the early 90s can say that they've watched the UFC since "the beginning" like it justifys all your arguements, when it dosen't at all.

B. People can watch a sport for 20 years and still be clueless as **** about it.

My thing is what did sapp ever do other then look big to fight in Pride. Tank on the other hand gave us some of the most spectacular knockouts of all time.

He came on to the seen in Pride as a menace and was a major show attractment. Then he had one of the best fights every in Pride history against Nogueira.


Congratulations btw

I didn't read everything, but about the Tanner being great part, he's not great. he's good but not great and I have always thought he was overrated. Chonan, and anderson Silva would outclass him completely.

Anderson Silva is weird, sometimes he's great, sometimes he looks like shit. I dont think Chonan is all that great either, I'd pick Tanner over either of them...

Pride for sure

I didn't read everything, but about the Tanner being great part, he's not great. he's good but not great and I have always thought he was overrated. Chonan, and anderson Silva would outclass him completely.
Tanner would dwarf Chonan in the ring and Anderson Silva has a very weak ground game. Tanner would overwhelm both of them on the ground.