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Philfy 05-30-2010, 08:13 PM Thoughts on this one guys.
I predict this being a very tough fight for Cotto. Not tough as in a gruelling, physical war, rather a frustrating stylistic nightmare as he tries to play catch-up against a flighty boxer.
Yuri is the taller guy, with a significant reach advantage. The guy moves a hell of a lot (take a look at his last fight against Daniel Santos) and he will be difficult to pin down on the ropes. If Cotto can't force the stoppage early, I think he'll be in for a long night.
My pick: Foreman by points.
brently1979 05-30-2010, 08:51 PM I agree with you, this is by no means a easy win for Cotto.
I can see Foreman beating Cotto. But Foreman isn't that fast and isn't that hard a hitter, so in saying that Cotto does have a decent chance.
I would like to see Cotto win to be honest. Foreman is aboring and has a terrible style. Cotto has always fought the best and has given us some pretty good fights.
Dan... 05-30-2010, 08:52 PM I think Cotto will take this. I agree that Foreman's movement is decent and he can box, but I haven't seen anything to show me that he can stand up to the constant pressure that Cotto brings to the ring.
I wasn't even really impressed by his win over Santos to be honest. That was a fat, unmotivated Santos, and Foreman wasn't even convincing.
Cotto by TKO. Probably some time after round 8.
brently1979 05-30-2010, 08:55 PM I think Cotto will take this. I agree that Foreman's movement is decent and he can box, but I haven't seen anything to show me that he can stand up to the constant pressure that Cotto brings to the ring.
I wasn't even really impressed by his win over Santos to be honest. That was a fat, unmotivated Santos, and Foreman wasn't even convincing.
Cotto by TKO. Probably some time after round 8.
That was ****ing terrible that effort.
Philfy 05-30-2010, 11:36 PM I agree with you, this is by no means a easy win for Cotto.
I can see Foreman beating Cotto. But Foreman isn't that fast and isn't that hard a hitter, so in saying that Cotto does have a decent chance.
I would like to see Cotto win to be honest. Foreman is boring and has a terrible style. Cotto has always fought the best and has given us some pretty good fights.
I'll be cheering for Cotto as well, love to see him become a 3 division champ. Couldn't think of a better guy that deserves the accolade.
I agree with you on Foreman, even though I generally like fighters that can "box", Yuri can be tedious to watch.
If Cotto does win, I just hope that Arum doesn't throw him in against Pacquaio again. That's not a direction he should go.
Philfy 05-30-2010, 11:50 PM I think Cotto will take this. I agree that Foreman's movement is decent and he can box, but I haven't seen anything to show me that he can stand up to the constant pressure that Cotto brings to the ring.
I wasn't even really impressed by his win over Santos to be honest. That was a fat, unmotivated Santos, and Foreman wasn't even convincing.
Cotto by TKO. Probably some time after round 8.
You think it'll go along the lines of Katsidis v Mitchell? Should be an interesting clash of styles regardless.
It's on Mainevent too, so it should be available in some pubs and clubs.
Anybody seen Vanes Martirosyan fight before? He's on the undercard, I've heard mixed reviews about him.
Dan... 05-31-2010, 12:10 AM You think it'll go along the lines of Katsidis v Mitchell? Should be an interesting clash of styles regardless.
It's on Mainevent too, so it should be available in some pubs and clubs.
Anybody seen Vanes Martirosyan fight before? He's on the undercard, I've heard mixed reviews about him.
Seen Vanes a bit, looks promising, but the same old story, you never know until he steps it up to a better level. Pretty exciting fighter though with good skills, I enjoy watching him. Greene should be a tough opponent though, should be interesting.
I'm just hesitant to pick a guy like Foreman going into a fight against a proven elite pressure fighter when he has shown me he doesn't particularly like being pressured in the past. Hell, even the fat Santos gave him some headaches when he actually woke up and went after him.
I just don't see Foreman boxing Cotto effectively for 12 rounds. Also, Miguel has previously had good success against boxers, its high-volume pressure fighters that Miguel hates, and Yuri certainly isn't one of those.
Regardless, it will be good to see Miguel back in the ring again. Wish him the best, one of my favourites going round at the moment.
Heart and Soul 05-31-2010, 12:11 AM Cotto by rape.
Dan... 05-31-2010, 12:19 AM Cotto by rape.
Blinding analysis. Much appreciated.
Heart and Soul 05-31-2010, 12:23 AM Blinding analysis. Much appreciated.
lol , jesus christ , does it hurt u that much.
Really u want my analysis ok.
Cotto starts off slow chasing Yuri around the ring , 1st round he losses trying to find opening gets some jabs in his face , then , second round he realizes , "These soft ass jabs cant hurt me" If a plaster boy couldnt knock me down This fool aint either ,m nd he stars pressuring and pressuring digging the body , and he will break foreman down with body shots and stop him before the 10th.
Again , rape.
Dan... 05-31-2010, 01:09 AM lol , jesus christ , does it hurt u that much.
Really u want my analysis ok.
Cotto starts off slow chasing Yuri around the ring , 1st round he losses trying to find opening gets some jabs in his face , then , second round he realizes , "These soft ass jabs cant hurt me" If a plaster boy couldnt knock me down This fool aint either ,m nd he stars pressuring and pressuring digging the body , and he will break foreman down with body shots and stop him before the 10th.
Again , rape.
Doesn't hurt at all, I just prefer it if people say why they think something, rather than just saying "Cotto by rape".
You could be right, Cotto's body punching could be a factor. Typically if guys haven't really been able to back Cotto up his body punching has been a real asset.
Heart and Soul 05-31-2010, 01:14 AM Doesn't hurt at all, I just prefer it if people say why they think something, rather than just saying "Cotto by rape".
You could be right, Cotto's body punching could be a factor. Typically if guys haven't really been able to back Cotto up his body punching has been a real asset.
I was just messing around , I do think Cotto can stop him to the body. Foreman is nothing special , a lot of movement might keep him in there for longer. I hope Cotto foight Cintron and P.Will , those will be some good fights. at 154 , with the right conditioning and corner , Cottos power might be resurrected. If he can get inside against P.Will , oh man that would make for a great fight.
With steward in his corner I think we will see some changes , and adjustments in the ring
Dan... 05-31-2010, 01:27 AM I was just messing around , I do think Cotto can stop him to the body. Foreman is nothing special , a lot of movement might keep him in there for longer. I hope Cotto foight Cintron and P.Will , those will be some good fights. at 154 , with the right conditioning and corner , Cottos power might be resurrected. If he can get inside against P.Will , oh man that would make for a great fight.
With steward in his corner I think we will see some changes , and adjustments in the ring
I am hoping for this as well. Hopefully Steward can resurrect Cotto a bit. Not sure who I want to see him fight if he gets past Foreman, I would want to see how he does in this fight first.
Earl-Lesnar 05-31-2010, 04:04 AM I'm picking Foreman, Cotto needed some tune ups imo, he's taken to much punishment, and a tall, quick fighter like foreman will be hard for short, slow (by comparrison) Cotto to figure out.
Blue Heffner 05-31-2010, 05:01 AM Foreman by bouncing around the ring, throwing punches and clinching all night. Foreman's size and the fact he never stops moving will beat Cotto.
check hook 05-31-2010, 07:35 AM Thoughts on this one guys.
I predict this being a very tough fight for Cotto. Not tough as in a gruelling, physical war, rather a frustrating stylistic nightmare as he tries to play catch-up against a flighty boxer.
Yuri is the taller guy, with a significant reach advantage. The guy moves a hell of a lot (take a look at his last fight against Daniel Santos) and he will be difficult to pin down on the ropes. If Cotto can't force the stoppage early, I think he'll be in for a long night.
My pick: Foreman by points.
agree 100%............i'm putting a bet down on this one....Foreman is paying $2.70............
teofilo 05-31-2010, 06:01 PM Cotto to Powerfull.!!!!
Teofilo
DR.ORGYY 05-31-2010, 06:04 PM Cotto will win this......war cotto!!!!!
ColWallace 05-31-2010, 07:48 PM I wasn't even really impressed by his win over Santos to be honest. That was a fat, unmotivated Santos, and Foreman wasn't even convincing.
Cotto by TKO. Probably some time after round 8.
Yawn... Yuri 'Boreman'. I see Cotto back in the winners list. 'Boreman' is way out of his league and all the "this will be a tough fight for Miguel" talk you hear is rubbish. The promoters don't want Max Kellerman's voice echoing around an empty Yankees Stadium as this stinker of a fight unfolds. Manny Steward is leading the choir with the "Foreman is a sleeping giant" message, and he's doing a great job as he always does. But to think there is a monster hiding somewhere in the skinny Jewish boy Foreman is a laugh and a half of full cream dairy bull****. I agree with Dan, but I think Miguel will realise quickly he can end this fight any time he chooses.
This is an intriguing fight for a variety of reason.
Boxer vs Brawler.
Inexperience vs Experience (in terms of professional career).
Superior height, reach and weight vs Inferior height, reach and weight.
Outside fighter vs Inside fighter.
Speed vs Power.
Timing vs Pressure.
When you take into account both the strengths and weaknesses of Foreman and Cotto, I lean towards a Foreman victory via Decision.
Although my heart lies with Cotto, I don't believe he has the armoury that can overcome Foreman.
I got Foreman at $2.90. (betfair)
brently1979 05-31-2010, 10:28 PM Yawn... Yuri 'Boreman'. I see Cotto back in the winners list. 'Boreman' is way out of his league and all the "this will be a tough fight for Miguel" talk you hear is rubbish. The promoters don't want Max Kellerman's voice echoing around an empty Yankees Stadium as this stinker of a fight unfolds. Manny Steward is leading the choir with the "Foreman is a sleeping giant" message, and he's doing a great job as he always does. But to think there is a monster hiding somewhere in the skinny Jewish boy Foreman is a laugh and a half of full cream dairy bull****. I agree with Dan, but I think Miguel will realise quickly he can end this fight any time he chooses.
Boreman is right. Pretty clear he is a boring fighter, other wise this would be on HBO PPV.
I hope Cotto gets the win, he has giving the fight game lots, fought the best, didn't always beat the best, but was always willing to fight the best, even coming down to 145 for the Pac fight was showing that he was willing to make fights happen.
The foremans of this world aren't great for the fight game, this isn't a fight to get the causal fan over to watch.
-Huey- 05-31-2010, 10:38 PM I say it will be tough from rounds 1 - 4 then Cotto takes over. I still believe Cotto has something left in the tank.
brently1979 05-31-2010, 11:02 PM I say it will be tough from rounds 1 - 4 then Cotto takes over. I still believe Cotto has something left in the tank.
So do I, as long as it's not against Pac he sure as hell does.
I would like him to rematch Cheato as well. I think he can win that one, but no way he beats Pac in a rematch.
Philfy 06-01-2010, 01:56 AM So do I, as long as it's not against Pac he sure as hell does.
I would like him to rematch Cheato as well. I think he can win that one, but no way he beats Pac in a rematch.
Arum has no business giving Cotto a rematch with Pacquaio. The result would be the same. A rematch against Margarito has the most appeal, although I still have reservations about allowing Marg to fight again.
Junior Middleweight is starting to have the looks of a decent division, so there's plenty of names for the winner to face. Who else is promoted by Arum?
Still, I haven't changed my mind. I think Foreman will beat Cotto by decision.
Greatwhitehope 06-02-2010, 02:41 AM I hope Cotto wins, such a no nonsense take all comers kinda guy, got heaps of respect for him.
Heart and Soul 06-02-2010, 02:50 AM Cotto has dealt with guys and movement , guys with speed , guys with ridiculous speed , guys who can box. He always figured it out , unless he was being pressured.
And since that wont be the case , and miguel got speed of his own , good lateral movements of his own , power of his own , a way more complete arsenal and an I.Q in boxing higher than Yuri , I see Miguel pulling another impressive win. Miguel has fought at 154 before guys lets not forget that , Just that this time is officially at the 154 division. And Foreman is no mayweather in the ring.
He is average+ to compliment him , Miguel is going to beat Foreman up. A motivated Santos would have boxed his sucks off and probly even koed him. And Cotto is way smarter than Foreman , and has a new fresh , wanting to impress corner/trainer
This is not an easy win , but Miguel will make it look easy.
jameshepenstall 06-04-2010, 02:05 AM Thoughts on this one guys.
I predict this being a very tough fight for Cotto. Not tough as in a gruelling, physical war, rather a frustrating stylistic nightmare as he tries to play catch-up against a flighty boxer.
Yuri is the taller guy, with a significant reach advantage. The guy moves a hell of a lot (take a look at his last fight against Daniel Santos) and he will be difficult to pin down on the ropes. If Cotto can't force the stoppage early, I think he'll be in for a long night.
My pick: Foreman by points.
I pretty much agree with that except i think Cotto will catch Yuri enough to stop him but it will be very tough mentally to get it done. The body attack is key, look for Cotto to go low early and then bring the combos in the middle rounds and finish up top.
Classic formula really but Cotto is a classy boxer who can get it done.
Cotto by late KO or points (im a little in the dark on Yuri's durability)
Dan... 06-04-2010, 02:59 AM I pretty much agree with that except i think Cotto will catch Yuri enough to stop him but it will be very tough mentally to get it done. The body attack is key, look for Cotto to go low early and then bring the combos in the middle rounds and finish up top.
Classic formula really but Cotto is a classy boxer who can get it done.
Cotto by late KO or points (im a little in the dark on Yuri's durability)
Lol, so you "pretty much agree with that" except you are picking the exact opposite result?
brently1979 06-04-2010, 03:25 AM anyone buying this on Main Event?
Earl-Lesnar 06-04-2010, 03:57 AM I have money on Foreman to win, combination of things, style matchup, cottos recent form, new trainer, size difference.
If cotto wins its a really good win imo
ColWallace 06-04-2010, 04:27 AM anyone buying this on Main Event?
I'm not. Cotto is carrying the whole card. There are no other name fighters on the entire bill. I don't know anywhere that's showing it either, and I can't be bothered going to the casino in Sydney to see a Foreman fight.
One more round 06-04-2010, 08:35 AM I think the styles favour Miguel, plus the experience advantage in his favour. He typically does well vs backfoot boxers and although Yuri is bigger and it is Yuri's weight, I can't see him backing Cotto up, it isn't his thing and he doesn't have the firepower to do it.
I think Cotto figures him out, puts some good work in downstairs, jabs his way in, keeps it tidy, and takes a decision in a fairly competitive fight.
brently1979 06-04-2010, 07:17 PM I'm not. Cotto is carrying the whole card. There are no other name fighters on the entire bill. I don't know anywhere that's showing it either, and I can't be bothered going to the casino in Sydney to see a Foreman fight.
Yeah no have I am paying that much for it. I'll have a friend in the states send the dvd.
copelahama 06-04-2010, 11:50 PM can someone tell me what time the undercard starts and any venues in syd cannot find this anywhere
Kesslerfan#1 06-05-2010, 01:06 AM Cotto...body shot early to middle rounds after a fairly good effort by Foreman.
WAR COTTO!!!
I know where I will be watching it atdhe.com
ColWallace 06-06-2010, 12:40 AM Cotto...body shot early to middle rounds after a fairly good effort by Foreman.
WAR COTTO!!!
I know where I will be watching it
You really ought not post the link. Very uncool. HBO were all over the internet today closing down sites.
As I predicted, domination by Cotto. I can't believe so many bought the crap about Foreman being this, that or the next thing. All over the boxing boards people were buying into the promotional pitch that Yuri Foreman was this dangerous, awkward master boxer. Well okay, you gotta sell the fight, but the notion Cotto is so damaged by the battles he was ripe pickings for a guy with 8 knock-outs in 28 wins was nothing short of silliness.
Thrilled for Miguel, who I think is a real cool dude.
Dan... 06-06-2010, 12:56 AM You really ought not post the link. Very uncool. HBO were all over the internet today closing down sites.
As I predicted, domination by Cotto. I can't believe so many bought the crap about Foreman being this, that or the next thing. All over the boxing boards people were buying into the promotional pitch that Yuri Foreman was this dangerous, awkward master boxer. Well okay, you gotta sell the fight, but the notion Cotto is so damaged by the battles he was ripe pickings for a guy with 8 knock-outs in 28 wins was nothing short of silliness.
Thrilled for Miguel, who I think is a real cool dude.
Yeah, like I said in this thread, really easy fight to predict.
Philfy 06-06-2010, 07:03 PM You really ought not post the link. Very uncool. HBO were all over the internet today closing down sites.
As I predicted, domination by Cotto. I can't believe so many bought the crap about Foreman being this, that or the next thing. All over the boxing boards people were buying into the promotional pitch that Yuri Foreman was this dangerous, awkward master boxer. Well okay, you gotta sell the fight, but the notion Cotto is so damaged by the battles he was ripe pickings for a guy with 8 knock-outs in 28 wins was nothing short of silliness.
Thrilled for Miguel, who I think is a real cool dude.
It's a shame the fight ended the way it did with Foreman's leg and all. After 6 rounds, I had Cotto up 5-1, but Yuri was warming to the task. I couldn't believe the size difference between the two guys either. Foreman looked huge.
Cotto v Angulo anyone?
Dan... 06-06-2010, 07:38 PM It's a shame the fight ended the way it did with Foreman's leg and all. After 6 rounds, I had Cotto up 5-1, but Yuri was warming to the task. I couldn't believe the size difference between the two guys either. Foreman looked huge.
Cotto v Angulo anyone?
Personally I would like to see Cotto-Margarito II now.
No plaster this time.
Philfy 06-06-2010, 08:03 PM Personally I would like to see Cotto-Margarito II now.
No plaster this time.
That fight would do huge numbers. I wonder if Cotto would fight him again? He'd said many times that he's never give Margarito a rematch. I'm sure the chance at revenge and the $$$ could persuade him. Defeating Margarito would be his crowning glory.
On a side note, Cotto's investment in a new trainer paid handsome dividends. I hope he sticks with Steward from now on.
brently1979 06-06-2010, 09:34 PM Personally I would like to see Cotto-Margarito II now.
No plaster this time.
I think Cotto should go after this fight. I agree. Both have a lot to prove.
brently1979 06-06-2010, 10:08 PM anyone end up buying this card or watching it live?
Dan... 06-06-2010, 11:15 PM anyone end up buying this card or watching it live?
I didn't buy it. The first Cotto fight I haven't bought in years. I had family commitments, otherwise I would have, I think it was only $30.
Philfy 06-07-2010, 12:17 AM anyone end up buying this card or watching it live?
I didn't buy it, but I did watch it live.
Even though I had Cotto winning most of the rounds, it was still a competitive fight. Yuri even stunned him with some straight right hands in the 4th.
It was a close fight up until the 7th round when Yuri slipped on some water in Cotto's corner. When he got back up, it was clear that he had stuffed his knee. He was limping and couldn't move about the ring. Once his movement was taken away, he was a sitting duck.
There was a bit of controversy when Yuri's corner chucked in the towel at one point. They ref seemed to stop the fight and everybody climbed in the ring. Then Foreman insisted on continuing and everybody got out of the ring and the fight restarted. It was pretty bizarre to say the least.
ColWallace 06-07-2010, 12:35 AM I want to see Cotto-Margarito 2 perhaps more than any other fight. That and Pac-Mayweather are boxing's two ultimate grudge-fests needing settled in 2010.
I understand if Cotto wants no part of it however. He believes Margarito should not be allowed to fight again, and that no elite fighter should reward him with a big pay-day by fighting him. If one ignores all the calls for 'Margacheato's' blood and the desire for Cotto's revenge, the Puerto Rican has a very good point. Never getting a big pay-day as punishment for trying to cheat and endanger Mosley's life is a very cold serving of vengeance indeed. Not to forget either how Mosley and Brother Nazim together did an outstanding job exposing the 'Margacheato' infamy, and destroying the Magarito legend, that surreal night in January 2009.
But **** man, I'd still love to see the rematch!
Firstly congrats on those who picked Cotto to win, I wish I did. The outcome of that fight put a dent in my betfair account.
Just got around to watching this last night, it was a very good fight. It was alot more entertaining than most expected including myself. I was quite surprised by both fighters in terms of their execution and technique.
Cotto looked really good, he moved well and was not as stagnant as some of his past fights. His Jab was outstanding, he cut off the ring well and negated foreman's speed. Furthermore Cotto's money punch the left hook, came back in this fight. He countered well from inside with it and eventually stopped the fight with his trademark left hook to the body.
As for Foreman, even though he lost I gained a ton of respect for this guy. Honestly I don't think he is as bad as many make him out to be. If he didn't slip, man this would have been an even more entertaining fight (I would still favour cotto to win in a close one though). He found a home for the straight right which he landed repeatedly throughout the fight and I was really surprised by his willingness to exchange even before he injured himself. It's testament to his characture that he didn't quit because many would have, he stood right in front of Cotto and went to war. Much Respect even though he came off second best.
Even though I lost money I was still happy because at long last, the good guy finally won.
Peace.
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