Is it because you dont like Mayweather..Or becuz he beat Tszyu? Tszyu was out wrestled and he was in Machester..So how do you se HAtton is the best at 140...Think Mayweather would school him...

because he beat the man that was suppose to be the man. But Mayweather is number one in most people's books

Its because Ring magazine ranks him as #1. Everyone knows Mayweather is #1 thought, they should fight definetly.

Is it because you dont like Mayweather..Or becuz he beat Tszyu? Tszyu was out wrestled and he was in Machester..So how do you se HAtton is the best at 140...Think Mayweather would school him...
i think so too..

hatton would not be able to wrestle mayweather... he is just to fast, his footwork is even faster than his hadspeed

Hatton is #1 at 140. He's done more at this weight and has beaten the recognized champ before him in Kostya Tszyu.

My top 5 is as follows:

1. Hatton
2. Mayweather
3. Cotto
4. (unknown)
5. Witter

Hatton is #1 at 140. He's done more at this weight and has beaten the recognized champ before him in Kostya Tszyu.

My top 5 is as follows:

1. Hatton
2. Mayweather
3. Cotto
4. (unknown)
5. Witter

to me mayweather is number one but I wouldnt argue if someone said hatton was. Hatton did beat tszyu. If hatton and mayweather never fight then we ahve to just go by level of opposition frmo here on out

to me mayweather is number one but I wouldnt argue if someone said hatton was. Hatton did beat tszyu. If hatton and mayweather never fight then we ahve to just go by level of opposition frmo here on out


I think that Mayweather is #1 in terms of being the best fighter the division has to offer. As far as accomplishment and going by factual evidence it has to be Hatton. Mayweather has done maybe 1/4 of what Hatton has done at 140.

Seeing as I don't worship The Ring rankings as most do I say the division is wide open. The best should start fighting now. I'm picking Mayweather to come out on top easily. Mayweather/Hatton needs to go down. I think they both should come to a decision about where the fight will take place because that is the only problem I see stopping this fight.

I think this fight will be as difficult to make as RJ/DM was.

Mayweather would destroy Hatton if they ever met in the ring. Hatton leaves himself way too vulnerable. Floyd would put on another boxing clinic. Hatton has the belts for now so he better milk 'em for what they are worth. I think it is a little contradictory to have Hatton listed as the best jr welterweight then have Mayweather listed as one of the best pound for pound. Hopefully they'll lace up the gloves and settle it once and for all.

Hatton #1 for now,because he beat the true 140 pound Champion in Kostya Tszyu,and I always thought Gatti was overrated.

Because he's the man who beat the man. Simple as that, and like Floyd hes undefeated.

Mayweather IS the best, no questions.

Zoo was supposed to beat hatton he didn't, mayweather was supposed to beat Gatti he did.

Mayweather ****ing owned Gatti, HARD. That was incredible he punished Gatti all of those rounds.

I don't think hatton could do to Mayweather like he did to Zoo, MW is too good.

Right now, Hatton should just run back to England and fight bums again because his perfect record goes down the drain against MW.

Mayweather would destroy Hatton if they ever met in the ring. Hatton leaves himself way too vulnerable. Floyd would put on another boxing clinic. Hatton has the belts for now so he better milk 'em for what they are worth. I think it is a little contradictory to have Hatton listed as the best jr welterweight then have Mayweather listed as one of the best pound for pound. Hopefully they'll lace up the gloves and settle it once and for all.

That was explained, man. Listing on accomplishments at 140 Hatton has to be #1. Who would beat who at 140 is a different thing. I think Mayweather is the most skilled at '40, and you'd probably be stupid to deny it, but Hatton deserves the #1 ranking for his accomplishments as of right now. (Note: This does NOT change my views on the Hagler/Sugar Ray at middleweight thing from boxrec)

That was explained, man. Listing on accomplishments at 140 Hatton has to be #1. Who would beat who at 140 is a different thing. I think Mayweather is the most skilled at '40, and you'd probably be stupid to deny it, but Hatton deserves the #1 ranking for his accomplishments as of right now. (Note: This does NOT change my views on the Hagler/Sugar Ray at middleweight thing from boxrec)

Hatton is just keeping his belt warm. He did beat Tzsyu but I think Mayweather would have beaten him as well. He's earned his ranking by beating the #1 and is very entertaining to watch but he certainly isn't better than Mayweather by any stretch of the imagination.

That was explained, man. Listing on accomplishments at 140 Hatton has to be #1. Who would beat who at 140 is a different thing. I think Mayweather is the most skilled at '40, and you'd probably be stupid to deny it, but Hatton deserves the #1 ranking for his accomplishments as of right now. (Note: This does NOT change my views on the Hagler/Sugar Ray at middleweight thing from boxrec)

Exactly - being #1 in a division is a matter of what you have done in that division - not what you could do, or what you've done in any other division. As of now, you can't argue with Hatton being #1 - the only argument is over who is the best, and in that debate I can't see past Floyd

OK Hattons #1 at 140...But Mayweathers #1 P4P...Dont get it...If Floyd is P4P #1 over all boxers in every division then How the heck can u say Hatton is #1 at 140...But Hatton aint even in the top 5 p4p fighters...

this is just like Tyson vs spinks, until he beats the man Mayweather cannot be No1 and besides talking about who is number one means nothing until they fight ask Vivan Harris

OK Hattons #1 at 140...But Mayweathers #1 P4P...Dont get it...If Floyd is P4P #1 over all boxers in every division then How the heck can u say Hatton is #1 at 140...But Hatton aint even in the top 5 p4p fighters...

I'd say it's because all of PBF's p4p ranking fights came at lower weights. The fights he's had at 140 don't get you the #1 p4p rating or even the #1 spot at 140, not when compared to the guys that Hatton's beat at the weight.

He's obviously the better all round fighter but it's still to be seen if Hatton's style and physical advantages can upset him.

p4p ranking does not mean "sh*t" it does not mean nothing. THIS IS FACT RICKY HATTON UNDISPUTED 140 POUND CHAMP. FLOYD MAYWEATHER BEAT A PAPER CHAMP

The Other Paper Champ Was Vivian Harris Lol

I dont get how you guys can say mayweather is the best at 140. Since when does it take 2 fights in a division to be considered number one.??? Yes Hatton has fought a lot of his fights in England, but hes put in a lot more fights. Talent wise, yes mayweather seems to be up there with roy jones, but on paper, come on.....

Hatton is the No.1 in the division PERIOD.

There's a World of difference between beating a shop-warn Gatti, and a top shape Tszyu.

If you can't see how Hatton is No.1 @140lbs then I give up with you.

While I believe (know?) that Mayweather is the better fighter, Hatton is the champ right now fair and square. He beat the most recognized champ in the division and therefore earned his title. Mayweather at the moment is like the up-and-coming team that hasn't had a crack at winning the Superbowl, or whatever championship you want to use as an example here. Even if Floyd is the #1 fighter skill-wise, you still have to go out and win that belt...which I'm sure he will :cool: .

it is still too early to call anyone the top.......i don't see hatton as being the top, and nor do i mayweather............

was anyone calling vince phillips the number 1 140-lber when he upset Yszyu???.....i don't think so, and this is why i need to see a little more of Hatton to give him such a ranking.

also i think we need to wait and see what tszyu decides to do before we start calling anyone the top 140lb-er.

Is this a trick question? Mayweather hasn't done ANYTHING at 140 to establish himself as #1.

He looked like a world beater against Gatti, but the key words there are "against Gatti."

Hatton just beat a guy that almost everyone in the world considered a top 10 P4P fighter who was also THE man, and not just because Ring magazine said so. KT unified the division and beat all comers during his 4 or 5 year reign. The belts that Gatti and Harris held before Saturday night were meaningless. To be #1 at 140, Floyd has to go through Hatton (and that probably means traveling to Manchester).

Is this a trick question? Mayweather hasn't done ANYTHING at 140 to establish himself as #1.

He looked like a world beater against Gatti, but the key words there are "against Gatti."

Hatton just beat a guy that almost everyone in the world considered a top 10 P4P fighter who was also THE man, and not just because Ring magazine said so. KT unified the division and beat all comers during his 4 or 5 year reign. The belts that Gatti and Harris held before Saturday night were meaningless. To be #1 at 140, Floyd has to go through Hatton (and that probably means traveling to Manchester).
you are right about beating the MAN.........Kostya Tszyu was/is an absolute legend and unified the division the proper way and would have beat about 10 world champions along the way......

Floyd does have to fight Hatton, and at the same time Hatton has to fight Mayweather also in order to prove his victory over Tszyu wasn't a fluke/bias/old tszyu/etc.....

it is unfortunate, but i don't think this fight will happen at all......i think both sides will baulk at the conditions...where/when/how/ref/etc.

you are right about beating the MAN.........Kostya Tszyu was/is an absolute legend and unified the division the proper way and would have beat about 10 world champions along the way......

Floyd does have to fight Hatton, and at the same time Hatton has to fight Mayweather also in order to prove his victory over Tszyu wasn't a fluke/bias/old tszyu/etc.....

it is unfortunate, but i don't think this fight will happen at all......i think both sides will baulk at the conditions...where/when/how/ref/etc.

I think if it came down to conditions, i think if they fight in MEN, they need to have a known championship calibre ref.

YOU MEAN AMERICAN, DAVE PARRIS HAS REFED HUNDREDS OF GENUINE WORLD TITLE FIGHTS.

really are we still banging on about this?

id also like to point out the referees at last weekends fightsd were a ****ing shambles.

I agree that they should fight, and also that Floyd is #1...contender to WORLD champion Ricky Hatton.

YOU MEAN AMERICAN, DAVE PARRIS HAS REFED HUNDREDS OF GENUINE WORLD TITLE FIGHTS.

really are we still banging on about this?

id also like to point out the referees at last weekends fightsd were a ****ing shambles.


Yea, he was inexperianced and he ****in sucked, the announcers even said it wa sonly his 6th title fight. And yes, we will be banging on about this because of the fact that to this day, i still think that ****in fight would have been different without the tactics that were allowed. I dont give a **** what you think about that ref, he let Hatton get away with alot of ****.

He won fair and square by the account that he was allowed to do what he needed to do to beat Tszyu, thankfully for hatton, Tszyu needs to be at a distance and needs to be set in position to land his best punches. Dont ****in think i dont think he won, he did, but the fight would have been different with a better ref. Come on, all of the most known refs are usually american, that **** aint my fault.

But it wont matter, Mayweather isnt gonna stand there and wait for Hatton for one. For two, Mayweather is faster than Hatton, for 3, Hatton defense will need a massive improvement because if he thinks that hes gonna avoid getting punished with that style, hes gonna hit the canvas hard. Mayweather for some reason fights your fight better than you, he will change up every fight if nessecary and lure you into doing what he wants you to do.

If Hatton tries to bully Mayweather, floyd will just do it back, Hatton has alot of heart and all, but this is Mayweather were talking about, that guys defense is virtually inpenetrable.

I think if it came down to conditions, i think if they fight in MEN, they need to have a known championship calibre ref.
it is funny you say this.....because i have seen so many american top caliber refs referee fights in the U.K of British World Champions.......i wonder why this was NOT the case for this high profile fight....

I think it will take more than a top ref for mayweather to fight there......there would have to be many more conditions fulfilled, like certain judges etc, and if it came to that, there better be no fight.....

Hatton should fight Mayweather in the states if he wants to prove himself....the money question is all bull****, as what is the difference if you make 3mill or 4.5mill...to someone who already has many mills....

it all comes down to having the balls........to take that step knowing that in the states it will be a total different atmosphere and it won't be anywhere near as controlled as the U.K is.

America is the place to be for boxing, and Mayweather and all American boxers need not travel outside...as the country is so big, diverse, and the home of pro boxing.......

if i am perceived to be anti HATTON, i am not, and i would love so much to see HATTON maul MAYWEATHER..

Yea, he was inexperianced and he ****in sucked, the announcers even said it wa sonly his 6th title fight. And yes, we will be banging on about this because of the fact that to this day, i still think that ****in fight would have been different without the tactics that were allowed. I dont give a **** what you think about that ref, he let Hatton get away with alot of ****.

He won fair and square by the account that he was allowed to do what he needed to do to beat Tszyu, thankfully for hatton, Tszyu needs to be at a distance and needs to be set in position to land his best punches. Dont ****in think i dont think he won, he did, but the fight would have been different with a better ref. Come on, all of the most known refs are usually american, that **** aint my fault.

But it wont matter, Mayweather isnt gonna stand there and wait for Hatton for one. For two, Mayweather is faster than Hatton, for 3, Hatton defense will need a massive improvement because if he thinks that hes gonna avoid getting punished with that style, hes gonna hit the canvas hard. Mayweather for some reason fights your fight better than you, he will change up every fight if nessecary and lure you into doing what he wants you to do.

If Hatton tries to bully Mayweather, floyd will just do it back, Hatton has alot of heart and all, but this is Mayweather were talking about, that guys defense is virtually inpenetrable.


calm down mate you will pull a muscle.

cant be arsed to talk to you to be honest. cos its pointless another geezer who iusnt interested in anyone else opinion but his own.

bye.

it is funny you say this.....because i have seen so many american top caliber refs referee fights in the U.K of British World Champions.......i wonder why this was NOT the case for this high profile fight....

I think it will take more than a top ref for mayweather to fight there......there would have to be many more conditions fulfilled, like certain judges etc, and if it came to that, there better be no fight.....

Hatton should fight Mayweather in the states if he wants to prove himself....the money question is all bull****, as what is the difference if you make 3mill or 4.5mill...to someone who already has many mills....

it all comes down to having the balls........to take that step knowing that in the states it will be a total different atmosphere and it won't be anywhere near as controlled as the U.K is.

America is the place to be for boxing, and Mayweather and all American boxers need not travel outside...as the country is so big, diverse, and the home of pro boxing.......

if i am perceived to be anti HATTON, i am not, and i would love so much to see HATTON maul MAYWEATHER..


People from the UK get this ****ed up impression that we are like them in our support for boxers. Support for boxers differs from race to race, reigon to reigon. Mayweather is from Philly, yet he goes a few hundred miles to Atlantic City gets ****in booed like crazy. Winky Wright is from America too, yet against someone like Trinidad, he might as well be fighting in San Juan Puerto Rico.

I agree that someone like Mayweather shouldnt have to travel as far as the UK to fight Hatton, Hatton needs to come here, and regardless, i garuntee unless the fight takes place in Philly, the crowd would be people rooting for Hatton because hes a great white hope, or english people who live here who love him, and then the other half who either wanna see mayweather win, or just see a good fight.

Being American isnt just gonna give a free pass to have the home crowd, its all about what race you are, how many people like you, and who the opposing fighter is. But then again, Somebody Vitali gets no ****in love in america, but hes not nowhere near as exciting as Hatton.

calm down mate you will pull a muscle.

cant be arsed to talk to you to be honest. cos its pointless another geezer who iusnt interested in anyone else opinion but his own.

bye.


You need to get over the fact that i curse alot and read what im saying, that would show a true testament to your capability to read and understand someone elses point of view. You say Im not intrested in anyone elses point of view but my own, yet you wont at the least, break down my post if im so wrong.

I dont agree with you, so basically you dont wanna talk to me, **** that.

Well, fighting in America, is like fighting IN AMERICA, maybe Hattons afraid of the same thing people are afriad of when going to his Hometown. Their is noway to compare who is more legal, and fair, cause of hometown opinions.

OK Hattons #1 at 140...But Mayweathers #1 P4P...Dont get it...If Floyd is P4P #1 over all boxers in every division then How the heck can u say Hatton is #1 at 140...But Hatton aint even in the top 5 p4p fighters...
There is no contradiction. Pound4Pound takes into account overall accomplishments despite the division, along with skills, talent and potential. It represents the best fighter overall. The #1 in a particular division is the champ of the division, not necessarily the best fighter in the division. Hatton is the most legitimate champ at 140 because he beat Tszyu who was the previous most legitimate champ. Mayweather is the best fighter in the 140 division but is not yet the most legitimate champ because he must defeat Hatton.

You need to get over the fact that i curse alot and read what im saying, that would show a true testament to your capability to read and understand someone elses point of view. You say Im not intrested in anyone elses point of view but my own, yet you wont at the least, break down my post if im so wrong.

I dont agree with you, so basically you dont wanna talk to me, **** that.


THAT NOT THE CASE AT ALL, I COULDNT BE ARSED TO BREAK YOU POST DONW COS IT BORED ME HALF WAY THROUGH AS ITS THE SAME OLD DIATRIBE THATS BEEN SPUED OUT OF HERE FOR THE PAST MONTH.

"hatTon only ever fights at home, when he has fought aborad numerous times 3 times in the states, once in germany and has only had ten fights at the MEN. (THAT JUST OVER A QUARTER) :rolleyes:

therefore i conclude that all this hometown ref bull**** is the view of someone who doenst know what they are talking about. Still making pathetic excuses that even the outgoing champ didnt even moan about.

as for more well known ref's thats cos you are american you dumb prick, im british and know many more english referess cos thats what im exposed to on tv or live. ****inell you arent the sharpest tool in the box are you?
Richie davis, Dave parris, howard foster, ian john lewis, micky vann i could go on and on) but i would struggle nameing more than 3 american refs. thats not cos the british are better its cos i dont get to see them very often. And its pretty rich you moaning aobut refs after saturday which had some of the worst abject referring ive seen in a long time.

i also didnt feel the need to rant and say **** every other word, though i am partial to doing so myself on occasion though not usually in my first post the first time i have ever spoken to anyone.

thats just ****ing ignorant. so my friend you can go DO ONE! :D

THAT NOT THE CASE AT ALL, I COULDNT BE ARSED TO BREAK YOU POST DONW COS IT BORED ME HALF WAY THROUGH AS ITS THE SAME OLD DIATRIBE THATS BEEN SPUED OUT OF HERE FOR THE PAST MONTH.

"hatotn only ever fights at home, when he has fought aborad numerous times 3 times in the states, once in germany and has only had ten fights at the MEN.

therefore i conclude that all this hometown ref bull**** is the view of someone who doenst know what they are talking about. Still making pathetic excuses that even the outgoing champ didnt even moan aobut.

as for more well known ref's thats cos you are american you dumb prick, im british and know many more english referess cos thats what im exposed to eothe ron tv or live. ****inell you arent the sharpest tool in the box are you? Richue fdavis, Dave parris, howard foster, ian john lewis, micky vann i could go on and on) but i would struggle nameing mroe than 3 american refs. thats not cos the british are better its cos i dont get to see them very often. And its pretty rich you moaning aobut refs after saturday which had some of the worst abject referring ive seen in a long time.

i also didnt feel the need to rant and say **** every other word, though i am partial to doing so myself on occasion though not usually in my first post the first timew i have ever spoken to anyone.

thats just ****ing ignorant. so my friend you can go DO ONE! :D



The difference between me and you is that i didint insult you, nor did i go out of my way to call you any names. Maybe the way i speak insults you, but try to find one time i called you any names. But ill let it go before this degenrates into some 3rd rate pissing match.

as for more well known ref's thats cos you are american you dumb prick, im british and know many more english referess cos thats what im exposed to eothe ron tv or live. ****inell you arent the sharpest tool in the box are you? Richue fdavis, Dave parris, howard foster, ian john lewis, micky vann i could go on and on) but i would struggle nameing mroe than 3 american refs. thats not cos the british are better its cos i dont get to see them very often. And its pretty rich you moaning aobut refs after saturday which had some of the worst abject referring ive seen in a long time.

Here is the problem with what your talking about, Floyd didint need to do any constant holding, clinching, rabbit punching, or forcing his way inside to beat Gatti. The confusion was only when Gatti and him were locked up for a second, the ref said stop punching, floyd walks over and hits Gatti, Gatti turns around and looks at the ref, Gatti catches another one, you have to protect yourself at all times, thats not the refs problem. Nobody ****ing drops their hands and looks away, protect yourself at all times.

Regardless, i already told you the ref ****ing sucked

Yea, he was inexperianced and he ****in sucked, the announcers even said it wa sonly his 6th title fight.

Name one other time that Floyd needed to be warned other than a slight low blow? Floyds match wasnt a borderline clinching/wrestling war, it was a ****in clinic on how to dominate. Hatton didint fight in that manner, Floyd boxed, Hatton Mauled. These are 2 different, totally different fights. You cant even come close to comparing the 2.


If your going to say my boxing knowledge is off, then tell me you havent seen/or could name that many american refs, then i dont know what to tell you. Frankly, i never said American, but we do have some of the most prestigous refs, YOU said this

YOU MEAN AMERICAN, DAVE PARRIS HAS REFED HUNDREDS OF GENUINE WORLD TITLE FIGHTS.


after i stated this

I think if it came down to conditions, i think if they fight in MEN, they need to have a known championship calibre ref.

Now this tells me you walk around with this ****ing chip on your shoulder, and want to convince yourself that this is what i mean, i want a ****ing ref who is known to be elite in world class title fights, as in the ones that take place in america, as in the ones that usually mean the most.

This **** makes a difference.

and the point of this post is what? to repeat yourself until i agree with you?

hatotn fights inside and in a different style to mayweather, **** no-one fights like mayweather thats what makes him sucha predigious talent?
Sorry but ive listend to this bollox about hatton being a dirty fighter and the only pe0ople who would say this are the people who have seen him fight Zoo only. Its an easy way to spot someone who hasnt seen a lot of ricky, maybe some brits would like to comment on that.

so im not discuss it with you cos you only seen one fight, ive seen ricky live 5 times and on tv probably 30 odd times out of his 39 fights.

so you goanna start telling me what type of fighter hatton based on one fight? Well done youre making a strong case for yourself here. :rolleyes:



also if you are gonna quite people make sure you are quoting what youve written like you do half way through your post.

it does make yuou look rather silly. ;)

Is it because you dont like Mayweather..Or becuz he beat Tszyu? Tszyu was out wrestled and he was in Machester..So how do you se HAtton is the best at 140...Think Mayweather would school him...
I'm not a big fan of Ricky Hatton. I think he's an above average fighter, but doesn't possess the skill set to defend his Championship for too long. But, you gotta' like his heart, even if you despise the "bull" moves on the ropes.

Regarding his #1 rating. Consider the other top-tier welters today and ask one question .... which truly top welters have met to settle things? There's just Hatton and Zoo, so far. So, until some other top-tier guys meet and sort it out, Ricky has a belt and also has the right to say he's #1 at welter. Mayweather beating Gatti, Brusseles etc is not the same as beating a long-time P4P Champ named Zoo.

Mayweather's post-fight words say it all. He said he "wants" to fight best welters, which he has not yet done. Ricky has at least started down that path.

Also, now that Harris ****ed up, we should't be giving anyone credit, or propping a #1 rating, for taking the belt from Maussa. That Maussa guy has the worst style of anybody with a legitimate Championship, and is ripe for the taking. Just ask Cotto.