Im a huge Mayweather fan so I dont think Gatti couldve won no matter what but do you guys think that McGirt had a idiotic game plan that made it even easier for Floyd? If Gatti wouldve went back to his brawling style would have had a chance? The reason I ask is because I think McGirt is the most overrated trainer in boxing. Gatti barley beat Branco with his style. I think Goosen is 10x better. He was the trainer win Cassamayor beat Chico and then the next fight Goosen went to Chico and McGirt went to Casamayor and had him fighting stupid ever since. Chico dominater the second fight until the end when you could tell that Joel abandon what Buddy was saying and just fought like he wanted to and then he started beating Chico again.

McGirt tries to make guys fight just like he did and its stupid. He is not a top trainer. Either way though I think Floyd wouldve killed Gatti

I think Harris' loss tonight proves Manny Steward is the most overrated trainer in the game. That was hilarious! :D

either way gatti was the underdog, butt for mcgirt to try and have a expert brawler fight an expert boxer, like a boxer was just suicide for gatti, as we saw tonight. if gatti brawled gatti would have done a lot better. i think t the sixth round when gatti was begging for one more round before they quit. mcgirt should have let him go and let gatti fight that round the way he has always fought. that way if he still would have gone out he would have gone out like the gatti we know.

either way gatti was the underdog, butt for mcgirt to try and have a expert brawler fight an expert boxer, like a boxer was just suicide for gatti, as we saw tonight. if gatti brawled gatti would have done a lot better. i think t the sixth round when gatti was begging for one more round before they quit. mcgirt should have let him go and let gatti fight that round the way he has always fought. that way if he still would have gone out he would have gone out like the gatti we know.

No, Gatti was seriously hurt ... he was in pain in the corner. He's an unbelievable character. I don't understand how he takes so much punishment. But someone has to step in and protect him, because he honestly seems like he'd fight until he died in the ring. If Gatti had brawled, I think it may have been more exciting for a while, but probably would have ended quicker, and with Gatti KO'd.

I think Harris' loss tonight proves Manny Steward is the most overrated trainer in the game. That was hilarious! :D

i think that it was harris who lost that fight, emmanual didnt want harris to fight like that, harris fought like that because he strayed from the gameplan and went for that first round knockout but didnt stop there he kept going until the 5th round? and you heard rjj say that you go for the first round KO but after that yo have to go back to boxing and the gameplan. it was harris' fault he lost that fight not emmanuals. i could see that harris was a better boxer and i could see that he wasnt using that. i could see emmanual not wanting harris to fight the way he did and saying that this guy was easy competition, which he was, he was like a skinny mcbride

No, Gatti was seriously hurt ... he was in pain in the corner. He's an unbelievable character. I don't understand how he takes so much punishment. But someone has to step in and protect him, because he honestly seems like he'd fight until he died in the ring. If Gatti had brawled, I think it may have been more exciting for a while, but probably would have ended quicker, and with Gatti KO'd.

you seei think gatti would have had a chance at a mayweather KO, there is no way in hell gatti was ever going to win boxing, the only chance of him winning was by KO alone and the only way to do that was with a brawl. gatti would have taken less punishment in a brawl i think too because he would be throwing and putting pressure on instead of standing there like target practice.

you seei think gatti would have had a chance at a mayweather KO, there is no way in hell gatti was ever going to win boxing, the only chance of him winning was by KO alone and the only way to do that was with a brawl. gatti would have taken less punishment in a brawl i think too because he would be throwing and putting pressure on instead of standing there like target practice.

I don't know if you guys were watching the same fight I was but Gatti was trying to brawl. Its just not possible when a guy hits you so fast that he disappears almost before you realize you've been hit. Gatti wanted to brawl but a superior boxer like mayweather can neutralize just about any brawler. Let's say Gatti tried to fight like Hatton fought Tszyu. Exact same result but probably sooner. Mayweather excels when you chase him around the ring. He also excels when you try to box with him. Ultra fast hands, feet, good power, accuracy,conditioning and technique and great ring intelligence. Its hard for any fighter let alone a moderately skilled fighter like Gatti to find a strategy against mayweather.

There's nothing to this.

In theory, Gatti and McGirt's plan was fine.

In actuality, Mayweather could land 2 shots on Gatti before he could get off one, and it didn't matter what Gatti did.

Roy put it best: "He's frustrated because no matter what he does he gets hit with 7 shots".

The speed difference was the problem. Not the game plan or the trainer.

Gatti lost the fight.

He's simply not good enough.

He had no answer for Floyd's speed. He just couldn't adapt his game plan to deal with what Floyd was dishing out.

That was the strategy they came up with? Damn. I read on ESPN where McGirst said he wanted Gatti to circle to his left and go to teh body. Gatti, did not cirsle at all. Still, it was a dumb plan to try to outbox Mayfeather. Gatti looked sharp and aware in the first round. He was ducking Mayfeather's big rights on a consistent basis, but there is no way he could have stayed that sharp for 12 rounds. I do think that sucker punch took alot out of Gatti, but teh outcome would not have been different.

Im a huge Mayweather fan so I dont think Gatti couldve won no matter what but do you guys think that McGirt had a idiotic game plan that made it even easier for Floyd? If Gatti wouldve went back to his brawling style would have had a chance? The reason I ask is because I think McGirt is the most overrated trainer in boxing. Gatti barley beat Branco with his style. I think Goosen is 10x better. He was the trainer win Cassamayor beat Chico and then the next fight Goosen went to Chico and McGirt went to Casamayor and had him fighting stupid ever since. Chico dominater the second fight until the end when you could tell that Joel abandon what Buddy was saying and just fought like he wanted to and then he started beating Chico again.

McGirt tries to make guys fight just like he did and its stupid. He is not a top trainer. Either way though I think Floyd wouldve killed Gatti


I think McGirts Pretty good,i understand your criticism of him(and yeah goosen is awesome) but he hasnt had the best fighters,i mean gatti? he improved gattis game,but theres only so much he can do with a guy like gatti,i dont know how Mc Girt fought so i dont know if what you said about Joel is true or not,i think he is good though,i think hes far better that real overrated trainers like stewart and roach,I mean wtf has roach done to deserve having a job,and stewart,not just the harris thing,but i remember when cotto fought corley,it was clear he was fighting a stupid fight,and i remember stewart saying some **** like,"cotto is fithing the perfect fight",the hell he was. :thumbsdow

Id like to McGirt bring up a young fighter with some talent,not just fighters who are probably past their best years,I think McGirt's training would probably shine then.

I wouldn't have mattered if Gatti had Jesus Christ training him. Floyd's speed was just way too much for Gatti to handle and nothing he could have done would have nuetrelized it.

Gatti was the one that lost the fight merely by not being good enough. Buddy is one of the three best trainers in boxing and still it was not going to make a difference. One thing that McGirt did do was save Gatti from some long term damage by stoping it when he did, apparently watching his fighter do his best impression of a punching bag for another six rounds was not too high on McGirt's list of things to do.

I think Harris' loss tonight proves Manny Steward is the most overrated trainer in the game. That was hilarious! :D
Your a ****ing idiot...

Vivian Harris should get fired..

Gatti quitted too. i see no objection in him plus the interview says he wants to live and fight another day.

Gatti seem content losing to Floyd Mayweather after the fight..
Mayweather is the pound 4 pound boxer out there...

Gatti quitted too. i see no objection in him plus the interview says he wants to live and fight another day.

Than you have to watch the fight..in the corner he begged for one more round.

Gatti should have abandoned the game plan to jab and **** from range after the first round and just roughed up Mayweather as much as possible using every dirty trick in the book. Still Gatti really does not have the handspeed to exchange with Mayweather. But he should have been using his body more and trying to bull Mayweather to the ropes and volume punch his ass. I think Gatti was not very strong last night though compared to in other fights.

I think Gatti would have done better if he tried to brawl.

Both Castillo and Chaves had some succes pressuring Mayweather and hooking at close range. The weight difference might have become a bigger factor also, when they clinshed more.

Now Gatti stayed on the outside trying to jab.

You do not box with a (very much) better boxer.

A very good and easy win from Mayweather, hats off to him! :biggthump:

Than you have to watch the fight..in the corner he begged for one more round.i've watchedit, there's difference to asking for one more round and begging. begging is asking many times. i think gatti resigned to his fate and agreed to quit.

Man I saw that **** last night, and credit were its due to PB. I loveGatti, but he didnt have a clue. No style to counter the silky skills. Floyd was just too fast, and utilized the jab to keep him at bay. Class performance from the p4p #1.

i've watchedit, there's difference to asking for one more round and begging. begging is asking many times. i think gatti resigned to his fate and agreed to quit.

Begging is NOT asking many times, open a dictionary and find something like "to ask (earnestly) for"

Next time I will take better heed in the "your (think to) see" and "think (to know)" parts of your post.


A small count finally:
One more...one more round..one more.

;)

i think McGirts strategy wasnt to have Gatti get punched in the head until mayweather got tired, was it??
if so McGirt lost it
but i really think Mayweather's supperior atlethic skills won the fight Gatti had a small chance

It takes two to brawl. If Mayweather doesn't allow that type of fight to take place, what can Gatti do?

How can a trainer lose a fight? lol. They dont fight. McGirts gameplan was to have Gatti get inside. PBF didnt allow it. Point blank. PBF executed HIS gameplan way better than Gatti executed his. Whats the dilema??

How can a trainer lose a fight? lol. They dont fight. McGirts gameplan was to have Gatti get inside. PBF didnt allow it. Point blank. PBF executed HIS gameplan way better than Gatti executed his. Whats the dilema??
Thats not true. A trainer has more effect then you think. He is like a coach in sports. Are you trying to say that a coach cant effect a outcome.

Look at what I said about Chico and Joel with Goosen and McGirt. They can switch your style and they make the game plan

If Gatti fought like a brawler, as mentioned before, Mayweather would have finished him sooner. Oh...and add cuts to that KO as well.

Thats not true. A trainer has more effect then you think. He is like a coach in sports. Are you trying to say that a coach cant effect a outcome.

Look at what I said about Chico and Joel with Goosen and McGirt. They can switch your style and they make the game plan
Glad you brought up coaches, ie football, right? Its up to them to put together the best GAMEPLAN. Its up to the fighter to execute. McGirt said the gameplan was to take away his speed by getting inside and brawling. BM was confident b/c thats what Gatti does naturally. Unfortunately, he underestimated PBF ability to execute also. PBF simply out-executed Gatti, it doesnt take away from the fact, Mcgirt has a solid gameplan. PBF execution was just better. Coaches, trainers dont play the game, therefore cant be held accountable unless they have a stupid ass gameplan.

I guess someone like Bill Parcells is a sorry coach cuz the Cowboys sucked last year...NOT. Or I guess he was an exceptional coach cuz they went to the playoffs the year before...NOT.. Players play win or lose.

Glad you brought up coaches, ie football, right? Its up to them to put together the best GAMEPLAN. Its up to the fighter to execute. McGirt said the gameplan was to take away his speed by getting inside and brawling. BM was confident b/c thats what Gatti does naturally. Unfortunately, he underestimated PBF ability to execute also. PBF simply out-executed Gatti, it doesnt take away from the fact, Mcgirt has a solid gameplan. PBF execution was just better. Coaches, trainers dont play the game, therefore cant be held accountable unless they have a stupid ass gameplan.

I guess someone like Bill Parcells is a sorry coach cuz the Cowboys sucked last year...NOT. Or I guess he was an exceptional coach cuz they went to the playoffs the year before...NOT.. Players play win or lose.
True but by your point your assuming that a coach is always right. Sometimes his game plan sucks. Some coaches can take something good and **** it up. Floyd's dad kind of made Oscar more ****ty looking.

Dont get me wrong. If you read my original post then you would see that Floyd is my favorite fighter and he wouldve kicked Gatti's ass no matter what but I just think it was a stupid game plan. Only the very elite can beat a opponent at his own game. Why would you try to take a guy who is not elite and out box the best boxer in the world?

Gatti should have abandoned the game plan to jab and **** from range after the first round and just roughed up Mayweather as much as possible using every dirty trick in the book. Still Gatti really does not have the handspeed to exchange with Mayweather. But he should have been using his body more and trying to bull Mayweather to the ropes and volume punch his ass. I think Gatti was not very strong last night though compared to in other fights.
I agree I mean watching it kept pissing me off he kept trying to box with the p4p best boxer out there, I think he should have fought sortof like hatton, not as dirty but then again mayweather hit him on the break so maybe all is fair in love and war.

Gatti should have abandoned the game plan to jab and **** from range after the first round and just roughed up Mayweather as much as possible using every dirty trick in the book. Still Gatti really does not have the handspeed to exchange with Mayweather. But he should have been using his body more and trying to bull Mayweather to the ropes and volume punch his ass. I think Gatti was not very strong last night though compared to in other fights.


That **** is easier said than done, dont you think the frustration of knowing that he is going to get countered over and over again by the quicker and more percise mayweather would cause Gatti to throw that **** out the window?

Mayweather could see what was coming, a volume of dirty tactics and exchanging would do nothing, Mayweather beat him inside, outside, every ****ing side. Mayweather WANTED him to come inside and start brawling, you could see him luring him inside and virtually beggin him to do so, he knew what was coming, floyds defense was just too much. You need confidence to do that ****, and its obvious Gatti had none

The game plan was bad, Gatti needed to be rough and tough at all costs if he had ANY chance of winning.

Instead he tried to box and stay organized at the same time leaving Mayweather's defense organized.

can't blame either no matter what they would of tried pbf just had to much speed for gatti to compete ....if he would of tried to make it into a brawl and get to the inside the fight of would ended sooner ...

Gatti lost the damn fight.

well the so-called "Blood & Guts Warrior" now goes into the Quitters Club along with Tyson, Tszyu, Navarro, Abdullaev, the Quitschko's, Freitas, and the president of the club Andrew Golota..... Gatti quit before the end of round 6 when he basically stopped fighting back, he just wanted to make it back to the corner so that Dirt McGirt could be the scapegoat....so to answer the question, GATTI LOST

well the so-called "Blood & Guts Warrior" now goes into the Quitters Club along with Tyson, Tszyu, Navarro, Abdullaev, the Quitschko's, Freitas, and the president of the club Andrew Golota..... Gatti quit before the end of round 6 when he basically stopped fighting back, he just wanted to make it back to the corner so that Dirt McGirt could be the scapegoat....so to answer the question, GATTI LOST

Gatti at least mildly protested when McGirt said he would stop it.

I don't see how you can put Abdullaev on that list.....I mean he couldn't see out of one eye against a dangerous puncher like Cotto.

Gatti at least mildly protested when McGirt said he would stop it.

I don't see how you can put Abdullaev on that list.....I mean he couldn't see out of one eye against a dangerous puncher like Cotto.
Of course he mildly protested, remember when Iran Barkley protested his corner stopping the fight vs. James Toney? (actually you were probably 3 years old at that time)

please refer to Arturo Gatti-Wilson Rodriguez, THEN tell me about a guy with one eye swollen shut

Of course he mildly protested, remember when Iran Barkley protested his corner stopping the fight vs. James Toney? (actually you were probably 3 years old at that time)

please refer to Arturo Gatti-Wilson Rodriguez, THEN tell me about a guy with one eye swollen shut

Actually I was 12 when Toney fought Barkley.

Against Rodriguez he was in the fight......against Floyd he had nothing.

Actually I was 12 when Toney fought Barkley.

Against Rodriguez he was in the fight......against Floyd he had nothing.
I guess the conversation took a wrong turn....I was comparing ABDULLAEV quitting to Gatti NOT quitting vs. Rodriguez (ironically both were at MSG venues).... because you are right about Gatti having nada vs. Floyd and that it should have been stopped, no doubt about it

I guess the conversation took a wrong turn....I was comparing ABDULLAEV quitting to Gatti NOT quitting vs. Rodriguez (ironically both were at MSG venues).... because you are right about Gatti having nada vs. Floyd and that it should have been stopped, no doubt about it

Ah okay.

Even then, Abdullaev wasn't having as much success against Cotto as Gatti had against Rodriguez.

well the so-called "Blood & Guts Warrior" now goes into the Quitters Club along with Tyson, Tszyu, Navarro, Abdullaev, the Quitschko's, Freitas, and the president of the club Andrew Golota..... Gatti quit before the end of round 6 when he basically stopped fighting back, he just wanted to make it back to the corner so that Dirt McGirt could be the scapegoat....so to answer the question, GATTI LOST

Gatti's eye was messed. The ring doctor was in checking him out when the corner threw in the towel. He took the most one-sided beating in round six, it wasn't funny. He is a blood and guts warrior. He got pounded for three minutes straight and refused to drop. He was outclassed and outmatched. There is a time when health has to come before pride. McGirt knew he was done, and smartly told him he was done for the night. There's a difference between quitting because you're beat mentally, or frustrated, and quitting when you're guaranteed to get seriously hurt.

Gatti's eye was messed. The ring doctor was in checking him out when the corner threw in the towel. He took the most one-sided beating in round six, it wasn't funny. He is a blood and guts warrior. He got pounded for three minutes straight and refused to drop. He was outclassed and outmatched. There is a time when health has to come before pride. McGirt knew he was done, and smartly told him he was done for the night. There's a difference between quitting because you're beat mentally, or frustrated, and quitting when you're guaranteed to get seriously hurt.
thaks for all of the lousy excuses, but Gatti quit in the middle of round 6, the "old" Gatti would have AT LEAST tried to land a monster left hook, the "new" Gatti who now has $1mil in the bank didn't retaliate and stopped throwing punches until the round ended so that McGirt could quit for him (I can't say I blame the guy, Mayweather was a trillion times more talented, but he quit regardless of how you want to rationalize it)

thaks for all of the lousy excuses, but Gatti quit in the middle of round 6, the "old" Gatti would have AT LEAST tried to land a monster left hook, the "new" Gatti who now has $1mil in the bank didn't retaliate and stopped throwing punches until the round ended so that McGirt could quit for him (I can't say I blame the guy, Mayweather was a trillion times more talented, but he quit regardless of how you want to rationalize it)

I'm not gonna discredit Mayweather. Gatti didn't stop throwing punches so his corner would throw in the towel. He stopped throwing punches because he was getting hurt badly, and he was being hit relentlessly. Maybe in the old days he would have stayed in for one more round, just to try for that lucky shot, but there's a big difference between hangin' in with Rodriguez where he has a reasonably chance of catching up, and hangin' in with Mayweather, who's arguably the best boxer in the world.

I'm not gonna discredit Mayweather. Gatti didn't stop throwing punches so his corner would throw in the towel. He stopped throwing punches because he was getting hurt badly, and he was being hit relentlessly. Maybe in the old days he would have stayed in for one more round, just to try for that lucky shot, but there's a big difference between hangin' in with Rodriguez where he has a reasonably chance of catching up, and hangin' in with Mayweather, who's arguably the best boxer in the world.
no doubt, good points about the talent difference between Floyd & Wilson, & Gatti stopped fighting back because he was getting hit repeatedly, but we're still just working around the point that Gatti did in fact quit, it was by no means the most dishonorable quit-job in boxing history, heck I thought McGirt should have thrown in the towel after round 4, but he did quit, no matter how we slice it

no doubt, good points about the talent difference between Floyd & Wilson, & Gatti stopped fighting back because he was getting hit repeatedly, but we're still just working around the point that Gatti did in fact quit, it was by no means the most dishonorable quit-job in boxing history, heck I thought McGirt should have thrown in the towel after round 4, but he did quit, no matter how we slice it

I guess I just don't think quitting is necessarily a bad thing. A difference of opinion, really. To me, there's no shame in submitting to your opponent when you've had the **** kicked out of you, and there really isn't a chance of you turning it around. Quitting because you don't THINK you can win, and you give up on yourself, is when it's bad.

I've been trying to figure out exactly why McGirt would send Gatti in there to box Mayweather. Like most of you, I thought Arturo's only chance was to revert back to his old self. And I knew he had Zero chance to win, trying to box.

I think the biggest difference in the Gatti we've known from the past & the Gatti we saw against Mayweather was in his mind set.
McGirt has been fantastic for Arturo & deserves credit for giving Gatti a 2nd wind in his career.
But it has been drilled into Gatti's head over his time with McGirt that it is not a good thing to get hit. The old Gatti was happy to take 3,4 or 5 punches in the hope of landing one. But that is no longer the case. He is no longer in a brawlers mind set. While that was a real positive thing against he recent opponents. It worked as a negitive against PBF.

We always say styles make fights, and even though I think he still gets beat, the old Gatti probably has a better shot at beating Mayweather than the recent version. Even though Gatti under McGirt is a much improved fighter.

I guess in there defense, it is a little harsh to just expect Gatti to just flip a switch & become a brawler again. Considering he has been working extremly hard to move away from that.

As far as Gatti quiting. It's just silly, Buddy stopped the fight, Gatti did not quit. He was literally begging for one more round. But McGirt stopped it, like a good trainer should.

Begging is NOT asking many times, open a dictionary and find something like "to ask (earnestly) for"

Next time I will take better heed in the "your (think to) see" and "think (to know)" parts of your post.


A small count finally:
One more...one more round..one more.

;)didn't see this til today. is that how people beg? u should go out more. if you want something so bad, u "gatti" show it :D but apparently gatti want no more of floyd. to me he quitted and his corner saved his face.

I think that regardless of the gameplan, Floyds speed was just too much for him. Up until that fight I considered McGirt a godsend (and still do) but for that particular fight it would have been better if he fought the old way. I still dont think he would have won but he may have hurt Floyd a little atleast. Let him know he was there! McGirt is perfect for a fighter like gatti..been thru countless wars and damn near finished cause he is teaching him how to defend himself better and therefore extend him career to make more money before retiring. But for this fight boxing was not the answer cause Floyd is just too fast and slick...thankfully they dont all box as well as Floyd and this is Gatti first loss while being with McGirt since the first fight with Ward.

Your a ****ing idiot...

Vivian Harris should get fired..
ya he is

steward produced the best lhw ever in michael moorer

and lets not talk about hearns

I knew gatti would lose if he didn't come out brawling..

he did land 2 or 3 good jabs early but mw adapted and didnt get caught with them again

Gatti lost this and no one could have helped him.... He was just outclassed. It got to the point that Gatti knew the only way to get in and land anything on Mayweather he had to eat at least 3 punches. He didn't want to go through the pain and it made it a one sided fight.

both did. gatti got his ass beat (sadly) and mcgirt saw his warrior lose the war.

IMO, PBF has superceded Sugar Ray Leonard in my eyes. I watched the fight in awe. He just gets better with each fight. No matter what Gatti did, he was not in the same class. Even at his prime, Gatti would have been knocked out, because he used to brawl at that stage and was open to a lot more shots.
Even if you're not a Mayweather fan and I was not....you have to respect and appreciate his ability! Poetry in motion!

didn't see this til today. is that how people beg? u should go out more. if you want something so bad, u "gatti" show it :D but apparently gatti want no more of floyd. to me he quitted and his corner saved his face.

I beg your pardon? Did you manage to find a dictionary already!? How is the counting going!?

By accident I was outside the other day and I noticed a begger and he asked me for a euro...Ok so next time Gatti should ask McGirt for one dollar twenty (USD mind you, not sure what the exchange rate of the canadian dollar is atm), I guess, until that time (and probably after this time also) you keep on seeing everything else as "no objection" in him. :D

i didn't need no dictionary to tell me that and i dont live carrying a pocket dictionary to tell me things. but for natural reactions of people, beggin is askin many times. it just seemed that gatti didn't want it so bad, so he quitted. and he wasnt mad at his corner. 'nough said.