I know ChrististheAnswer used to post religious stuff, and some people may want to reply and some may not. This isn't a debate or an arguement. I'm just curious, and for those that reply can others that feel differently please refrain from slandering others with different views.

I'll start......I do not believe in God or organized religion.

I know ChrististheAnswer used to post religious stuff, and some people may want to reply and some may not. This isn't a debate or an arguement. I'm just curious, and for those that reply can others that feel differently please refrain from slandering others with different views.

I'll start......I do not believe in God or organized religion.

Im a roman catholic, yes i belive in god, i believe there is reason were all here.

I hate organized religion but i believe in God

i believe in god :cool:

Im a roman catholic, yes i belive in god, i believe there is reason were all here.

Whats the reason were all here for?

I hate organized religion but i believe in God

Garret, that is a common answer. Since you hate organized religion, do you believe in a higher (but unknown power) as God or the God that the Bible speaks of?

Whats the reason were all here for?


Elveiel, I know you are a hard ass...and I like that about you. Would you mind at least giving your answer before questioning someone else?

Furthermore, I don't think he ever claimed to know. Does anyone?

The God of the Bible is real but i hate the way man has taken his word and added to it, made it fit to his own ends for his own profit

I know ChrististheAnswer used to post religious stuff, and some people may want to reply and some may not. This isn't a debate or an arguement. I'm just curious, and for those that reply can others that feel differently please refrain from slandering others with different views.

I'll start......I do not believe in God or organized religion.

I would like to believe there is a god, but i dont know how i could ever believe in something without good reason(proof)

Just another tidbit of info on the topic.

Did you know that the higher a person's education level is the less likely they are to believe in God? This isn't knocking anyone.....just an article I read. Hell, it could be total nonsense but I think it may be accurate.

what other proof do you need than yourself, the most complex machinery conceivable?

[QUOTE=elveiel]I would like to believe there is a god, but i dont know how i could ever believe in something without good reason(proof)[/QUO

Lack of proof is some of the point in beliving, thats why its called so and and not called knowing.

And i dident say i knew why were all here.

i converted to islam at the age of 14, i was not forced by anyone, nor did i have any muslim frends just in case u are wondering this guy converted cos of his frends. i did it because i believed there was a higher power, i researched, read about all religions, and this goes as no offense to other religions or anything, but once i read about islam it caught my attention because it actually made sense to me.

Elveiel, I know you are a hard ass...and I like that about you. Would you mind at least giving your answer before questioning someone else?

Furthermore, I don't think he ever claimed to know. Does anyone?

I have already given my answer but i did it the wrong way round, i wanted to ask the question before i forgot.

I respect people beliefs, but i'm very interested in how anyone can have such strong feelings for something thats impossible to prove!?

I respect people beliefs, but i'm very interested in how anyone can have such strong feelings for something thats impossible to prove!?[/QUOTE]

I admitt its a very good question.

It just realy fells so.

I have already given my answer but i did it the wrong way round, i wanted to ask the question before i forgot.

I respect people beliefs, but i'm very interested in how anyone can have such strong feelings for something thats impossible to prove!?


I think people do it for several reasons.

1) Comfort
2) Raised with religion as a mainstay in their family and never thought further than that about it
3) Scared
4) Religion and church usually surrounds you with people of similar beliefs as far as morals and way of life.


Just to name a few.

I think people do it for several reasons.

1) Comfort
2) Raised with religion as a mainstay in their family and never thought further than that about it
3) Scared
4) Religion and church usually surrounds you with people of similar beliefs as far as morals and way of life.


Just to name a few.

Id say comfort is hte main thing, there is know place as peaceful as church.

And no i would not call people who go to church because they are forsed, ore just because its tradition for belivers.

Just another tidbit of info on the topic.

Did you know that the higher a person's education level is the less likely they are to believe in God? This isn't knocking anyone.....just an article I read. Hell, it could be total nonsense but I think it may be accurate.

I dont think eductaion is a good judge of how clever someone is anyway! I have met very intelligent people at crown court, who have never had an education! And some of dumbest people i know have degree's. I just think educated people are more likely to challenge something that cant be proved!!

before anyone's says anything, yes i did do well at school, college etc!! :p I'll let you decide if you think i'm a dumb ass!!

I would like to believe there is a god, but i dont know how i could ever believe in something without good reason(proof)

Amen to that brother :p

I dont think eductaion is a good judge of how clever someone is anyway! I have met very intelligent people at crown court, who have never had an education! And some of dumbest people i know have degree's. I just think educated people are more likely to challenge something that cant be proved!!

before anyone's says anything, yes i did do well at school, college etc!! :p I'll let you decide if you think i'm a dumb ass!!


Found this on internet. A study done....long time ago though.

16. Norman Poythress, 1975
Mean SATs for strongly antireligious (1148), moderately anti-religious (1119), slightly antireligious (1108), and religious (1022).

I don't hate organized religion but I do have a strong distrust for several reasons. I do beleive in God and Jesus and look forward to meeting them some day! :)

[QUOTE=elveiel]I would like to believe there is a god, but i dont know how i could ever believe in something without good reason(proof)[/QUO

Lack of proof is some of the point in beliving, thats why its called so and and not called knowing.

And i dident say i knew why were all here.

Thats why i asked if you knew why we were here, you have to understand that out of interest i ask a lot of people the same question, some have answers and some dont.

Do you believe in hell?

Yes i belive in hell as i belive in paradise.

how can u compare education/test score to what people believe religiously?
people believe different things that personal choice, education has nothing to do with religion, i really do not see the point in those stats, u might as well get stats to compare if more people become serial killers by looking what kind of milk they drink, its irrelavent and has no direct influence on the matter...

The God of the Bible is real but i hate the way man has taken his word and added to it, made it fit to his own ends for his own profit
I agree....

Thats why i asked if you knew why we were here, you have to understand that out of interest i ask a lot of people the same question, some have answers and some dont.

Do you believe in hell?

I believe the purpose of our life is a test. God has given us the freedom to do as we wish. This life is a test. The actions we perform and if we belive in a god, depend on whether we go to hell or not.
But that is just my idea, do not take offense in it.
These kind of topics have always caused controversy and i do not wish this topic to cause any tension between any of the posters.

I believe the purpose of our life is a test. God has given us the freedom to do as we wish. This life is a test. The actions we perform and if we belive in a god, depend on whether we go to hell or not.
But that is just my idea, do not take offense in it.
These kind of topics have always caused controversy and i do not wish this topic to cause any tension between any of the posters.

I see it the same way.

how can u compare education/test score to what people believe religiously?
people believe different things that personal choice, education has nothing to do with religion, i really do not see the point in those stats, u might as well get stats to compare if more people become serial killers by looking what kind of milk they drink, its irrelavent and has no direct influence on the matter...

The higher your level of education, the more you believe you can answer. Often highly educated people are asked questions about their faith even they can not answer. This puzzles the person, since they can not answer they do not know the truth. This is why they do not believe in religion no more. Dont get me wrong, more than half eduacted people do not lose their faith.
But many people fail to realise that questions with out answers are not questions, they do not belive in a god, but we must also think about how advanced we are. We have not even answered half of lifes questions. Its like, you believe in time, but when you are asked, what is time? You have no answer, its just the same with religion.

Yes i belive in hell as i belive in paradise.

Do you have any doubt about were your going too? This there anything you have done that makes you scared to die?

I have done some bad things to people, i havent killed anyone but its been very close. do you think i'd go to hell or do you think the fact i'm a very nice person will save me?

i believe their is a god when i do good stuff
but when i do bad ****
im like fuk it
there prolly aint no god anywayz

I believe the purpose of our life is a test. God has given us the freedom to do as we wish. This life is a test. The actions we perform and if we belive in a god, depend on whether we go to hell or not.
But that is just my idea, do not take offense in it.
These kind of topics have always caused controversy and i do not wish this topic to cause any tension between any of the posters.

I'm sure everyone will be mature enough to accept each others opinions without this turning nasty.

The higher your level of education, the more you believe you can answer. Often highly educated people are asked questions about their faith even they can not answer. This puzzles the person, since they can not answer they do not know the truth. This is why they do not believe in religion no more. Dont get me wrong, more than half eduacted people do not lose their faith.
But many people fail to realise that questions with out answers are not questions, they do not belive in a god, but we must also think about how advanced we are. We have not even answered half of lifes questions. Its like, you believe in time, but when you are asked, what is time? You have no answer, its just the same with religion.

fair points but how can lable people who believe in religion "dumber" than those who dont, or visa versa... i mean people have different levels of intelligence and different beliefs there is not meaning to grouping people intelligence to their beliefs in relgion there is not correlation between the two, no matter how clever you are or how stupid you are you're entitled to your own opinion, be it to believe in a god or not or to follow a relgion or not, whatever the deal it isnt affected by intelligence

as for time, that is explaining something that is technically here, it is something that is a part of our every day lives and it has technical evidence to partly back it up, im not saying that there might not be any gods or anything, but what proof do we have of this? a few words in a book? sorry but i just dont find that enough to sway me to believe, i would like to but i find it too hard and confusing :confused:

fair points but how can lable people who believe in religion "dumber" than those who dont, or visa versa... i mean people have different levels of intelligence and different beliefs there is not meaning to grouping people intelligence to their beliefs in relgion there is not correlation between the two, no matter how clever you are or how stupid you are you're entitled to your own opinion, be it to believe in a god or not or to follow a relgion or not, whatever the deal it isnt affected by intelligence

as for time, that is explaining something that is technically here, it is something that is a part of our every day lives and it has technical evidence to partly back it up, im not saying that there might not be any gods or anything, but what proof do we have of this? a few words in a book? sorry but i just dont find that enough to sway me to believe, i would like to but i find it too hard and confusing :confused:


as for your education points, you have some good points. but not wat im tryin to say. someone sed educated people are more likely to lose faith, i backed it up with some points as in they cant answer sumthing, get it?

and for the time thing, ur on the right track there too, but in a way, if u believe in god, he is technically there with u all the time too. how did humans appear and how was the universe created, that has no answer to it, but it somehow has SOME sort of relevance of there being a god out there. its hard to explain what im tryin to say man, sorry.

as for your education points, you have some good points. but not wat im tryin to say. someone sed educated people are more likely to lose faith, i backed it up with some points as in they cant answer sumthing, get it?

and for the time thing, ur on the right track there too, but in a way, if u believe in god, he is technically there with u all the time too. how did humans appear and how was the universe created, that has no answer to it, but it somehow has SOME sort of relevance of there being a god out there. its hard to explain what im tryin to say man, sorry.

ahh i see your points now i misread before lol apologies, yeah i guess that would be a good reason for losing faith, fact of matter is people have their own opinions and everyone should respect that and not judge

how can lable people who believe in religion "dumber" than those who dont, or visa versa

I dont think thats the point, i think more educated people are focused on facts rather than beliefs.

An example - I dont know a single scientist who believe's in god, there so fixed on nothing!! the answer is always, people cant comprehend nothing!! there is nothing after life, there is nothing after the universe!! Its just the nature of the job, they doubt the unexplained far too much!!

Like i said i dont think education is a good measure of intelligence anyway!

I dont think thats the point, i think more educated people are focused on facts rather than beliefs.

I dont know a single scientist who beleive's in god, there so fixed on nothing!! the answer is always, people cant comprehend nothing!! there is nothing after life, there is nothing after the universe!! Its just the nature of the job, they doubt the unexplained far too much!!

Like i said i dont think education is a good measure of intelligence anyway!

so true. if u think about it, how far bak do u think science is? scientist have not found a cure for a simple cell that enters the human body and kills it within days. how do they expect to answer god if they cant find a cure for aids, cancer or not answer how big the universe is. for all we know, there could be millions of planet earths out there filled with humans like us.

so true. if u think about it, how far bak do u think science is? scientist have not found a cure for a simple cell that enters the human body and kills it within days. how do they expect to answer god if they cant find a cure for aids, cancer or not answer how big the universe is. for all we know, there could be millions of planet earths out there filled with humans like us.

The world is flat!! :rolleyes: I rest my case :D

My mum has very old medicine book for nurses past down to her, i cant think of anything i could quote you but its complete nonsense!!! Some really weird thing in it!!

so true. if u think about it, how far bak do u think science is? scientist have not found a cure for a simple cell that enters the human body and kills it within days. how do they expect to answer god if they cant find a cure for aids, cancer or not answer how big the universe is. for all we know, there could be millions of planet earths out there filled with humans like us.

scientist havnt found cures and they wont find cures, they will never cure aids, they cant even cure the common cold, instead they come up with medicine, the part time fix, maybe in a few years/decades/centuries, there will be a medicine for aids, but no cure - coz there is no money in the cure, if they make medicine that removes it for a while till it comes back, hence the supply of drugs is needed!

scientist havnt found cures and they wont find cures, they will never cure aids, they cant even cure the common cold, instead they come up with medicine, the part time fix, maybe in a few years/decades/centuries, there will be a medicine for aids, but no cure - coz there is no money in the cure, if they make medicine that removes it for a while till it comes back, hence the supply of drugs is needed!

I think in time human will find a cure for a lot of medical problems. I watched a documentary which mentioned the common cold and it said there are so many forms of it that continue to change, the bloke said thats why its so hard to find a decent cure.

There was some talk about using cancer for good, from what i was told its hoped that we learn enough to use its immortal qualitys for good!! I dont know how true that is but if its true i bet its at least 1000 years away!! :p

why cure something when u can make $$$$$ off the medicine for part time relief? :P

The world is flat!! :rolleyes: I rest my case :D

My mum has very old medicine book for nurses past down to her, i cant think of anything i could quote you but its complete nonsense!!! Some really weird thing in it!!

haha maybe u should scan and post some of the pages LOL :eek:
its funny, theres still people in various places of the world who are to scred to travel cos there scared they will fall off the face of the earth :D

haha maybe u should scan and post some of the pages LOL :eek:
its funny, theres still people in various places of the world who are to scred to travel cos there scared they will fall off the face of the earth :D
lmao yeah traditional medicine, ooo i have a headache, excuse me but would you kindly drill a hole in my head so the pain can get out? now be careful, CAREFUL, CAREFUL!!!!!


:o oops!

lmao yeah traditional medicine, ooo i have a headache, excuse me but would you kindly drill a hole in my head so the pain can get out? now be careful, CAREFUL, CAREFUL!!!!!


:o oops!

oh have u seen ripleys believe it or not. some women had constant headaches so they used that method. she was awake wile they drilled a hole in her head :eek:
and she says the pain was gone after that!
i guess its a mental thing, ur told your fine and then u feel fine

haha maybe u should scan and post some of the pages LOL :eek:
its funny, theres still people in various places of the world who are to scred to travel cos there scared they will fall off the face of the earth :D

I dont live near my family anymore or i would, when i visit i'll try to remember and scan from her house.

lmao yeah traditional medicine, ooo i have a headache, excuse me but would you kindly drill a hole in my head so the pain can get out? now be careful, CAREFUL, CAREFUL!!!!!


:o oops!

i think the only way to heal a headache is the method used in ur avatar :D

Sure there is a God, how else can you explain Angelina Jolie and Billy Bob Thorton getting married?! :eek:

Sure there is a God, how else can you explain Angelina Jolie and Billy Bob Thorton getting married?! :eek:

Its a one word explanation:
Economics :)

or just proff that some women have no sense of taste? :p

Garret, that is a common answer. Since you hate organized religion, do you believe in a higher (but unknown power) as God or the God that the Bible speaks of?


....I believe in the existence of a higher power and or God. I don't believe the bull**** bible version of how things went. Not one shred of evidence to prove anything in the bible. Give me the shroud or turin(proved a fake), the tablets from the ten commandments, the thorny crown, the burial chamber, the Arc of the covenant, or even Noahs arc. Nothing can be produced because none of it existed.

or just proff that some women have no sense of taste? :p

Or the fact that most men aint kinky enough for her, i read she does some mad stuff in the sack!

Do you have any doubt about were your going too? This there anything you have done that makes you scared to die?

I have done some bad things to people, i havent killed anyone but its been very close. do you think i'd go to hell or do you think the fact i'm a very nice person will save me?

Well if you truly are a nice guy and ask for forgivness i think your on the right way, well its a little early to say were im going, im a sinner, i love beer, ***** and fighting.

But i lie little, i keep my word and im a nice guy im pretty sure im going upp.

Or the fact that most men aint kinky enough for her, i read she does some mad stuff in the sack!

hell im up for anything she shoulda gave me a call first ;)

oh well her loss

....I believe in the existence of a higher power and or God. I don't believe the bull**** bible version of how things went. Not one shred of evidence to prove anything in the bible. Give me the shroud or turin(proved a fake), the tablets from the ten commandments, the thorny crown, the burial chamber, the Arc of the covenant, or even Noahs arc. Nothing can be produced because none of it existed.

I made the effort to read some of the bible once, i remember it saying something like this - if you look at a woman lustfully you should gauge your own eye's out!! I'm not sure if they were the exact words but it was along those lines.

Were's CITA when you need him!!!

I made the effort to read some of the bible once, i remember it saying something like this - if you look at a woman lustfully you should gauge your own eye's out!! I'm not sure if they were the exact words but it was along those lines.

Were's CITA when you need him!!!

Isnt any sort of bloodsport not allowed either?

The world is flat!! :rolleyes: I rest my case :D

My mum has very old medicine book for nurses past down to her, i cant think of anything i could quote you but its complete nonsense!!! Some really weird thing in it!!

Well when were talking silly scientist and doctors, i can tell a lot of hillarious medival cures, cause i like history.

Like how to cure hangover?? Take your hat off so the toxic gasses
leaves the head easier.

How to cure plague?? sit in the gutter so the plague toxic air is driven away by more toxic air.

How to cure madness?? Cut a hole in your head to let the devil out and so on.

Well if you truly are a nice guy and ask for forgivness i think your on the right way, well its a little early to say were im going, im a sinner, i love beer, ***** and fighting.

But i lie little, i keep my word and im a nice guy im pretty sure im going upp.

CITA posted this test a while ago! According to this i'm going to hell!! i got a really bad score!!
http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv

My girl isnt sure if she believes in god, but she thinks if there is a god that i'm going to heaven because i'm a nice guy!! She thinks that a god should know if a person is genuine/good and god would understand that mistakes can be made.

If you go the Hell for fighting(boxing), sex(lot of) and drugs(not anymore) i'm ****ed!! :eek:

I made the effort to read some of the bible once, i remember it saying something like this - if you look at a woman lustfully you should gauge your own eye's out!! I'm not sure if they were the exact words but it was along those lines.

Were's CITA when you need him!!! it is not to be taken literally but it is this, the consequences of sin are so dire and awful it would be better to gouge out your own eyes to prevent it ever happening again.
In short Sin is so bad you should do everything you can to avoid it.

Well when were talking silly scientist and doctors, i can tell a lot of hillarious medival cures, cause i like history.

Like how to cure hangover?? Take your hat off so the toxic gasses
leaves the head easier.

How to cure plague?? sit in the gutter so the plague toxic air is driven away by more toxic air.

How to cure madness?? Cut a hole in your head to let the devil out and so on.

wow that last one is messed up!
saw this tv show about mental institutes, many ppl had dropeed off close family frends and relatives there cos apparently they paid ppl to leave suppsoedly *mental* people there. they interviewed the patients and they were NORMAL PEOPLE the only reason they were there was because there family member wanted to make money off them! these poor guys were chained up and tortured everyday!

....I believe in the existence of a higher power and or God. I don't believe the bull**** bible version of how things went. Not one shred of evidence to prove anything in the bible. Give me the shroud or turin(proved a fake), the tablets from the ten commandments, the thorny crown, the burial chamber, the Arc of the covenant, or even Noahs arc. Nothing can be produced because none of it existed. Do some research
http://www.chick.com/catalog/comics/0107.asp
The ark has been found
there is the full comic there with actual pictures
finding the thorny crown would be impossible, only modern preservation techniques would have been useful and as it was 2000 years ago it is irrelevant.
the burial chamber is easy to find if you go to israel with a guide.
As for the shroud, the same thing with the thorns applies.

Isnt any sort of bloodsport not allowed either?

Exactly.

It also said something like - do not judge or you shall be judged! :confused: So its one rule for us and another for them, so it shouldnt be too different from earth!! :D

I believe in God. I have no interest in debating it. It's a matter of faith.

Do some research
http://www.chick.com/catalog/comics/0107.asp
The ark has been found
there is the full comic there with actual pictures
finding the thorny crown would be impossible, only modern preservation techniques would have been useful and as it was 2000 years ago it is irrelevant.
the burial chamber is easy to find if you go to israel with a guide.
As for the shroud, the same thing with the thorns applies.


.......That is some funny ****!! :)

The wretched King Minos has decided your fate. His tale wraps around his body 8 times.
The sweet light no longer strikes against your eyes. Your shade has been banished to... the Eigth Level of Hell - the Malebolge!

Fraudulent, Malicious, Panderers

thats a bit harsh i didnt think i was that bad :eek:

The wretched King Minos has decided your fate. His tale wraps around his body 8 times.
The sweet light no longer strikes against your eyes. Your shade has been banished to... the Eigth Level of Hell - the Malebolge!

Fraudulent, Malicious, Panderers

thats a bit harsh i didnt think i was that bad :eek:

I was a level five and i wasnt even thru half the test :eek:

u think god has a thing against oral sex or something?
what does masturbation and oral sex etc have 2 do with u being an evil person? :mad:

they send u to hell for fighting, was there no fighting in the bible? doesnt it say like jesus is a warrior or a soldier or something? :p

I was a level five and i wasnt even thru half the test :eek:

I was at the bottom somewhere when i did it maybe 7/8/9 or something!!

The scary thing is i just pressed calculate without clicking any answers and it still sent me to hell!! :eek:

what is funny about it pbds???

The wretched King Minos has decided your fate. His tale wraps around his body 8 times.
The sweet light no longer strikes against your eyes. Your shade has been banished to... the Eigth Level of Hell - the Malebolge!

Fraudulent, Malicious, Panderers

thats a bit harsh i didnt think i was that bad :eek:

I did the test and answered every question how i thought it would want me to and i got the heaven!! :D

At least now i know what to ask forgiveness for! Everything!! :D

I was at the bottom somewhere when i did it maybe 7/8/9 or something!!

The scary thing is i just pressed calculate without clicking any answers and it still sent me to hell!! :eek:

i think the deciding question in that test is "do you believe in god" altho thats the only question i answered, i still went to hell!
how can that test judge me jus becasue of wat i click and wat i dont clik LOL

maybe if we get good karma on the forums god will forgive our sins? :p

maybe if we get good karma on the forums god will forgive our sins? :p

i like your username, only buit 4 cubin linx was a classic :cool:

i like your username, only buit 4 cubin linx was a classic :cool:

haha yeah imobilarity also a good album, i big fan of wu-tang all of them are tallented, im a huge 2pac fan but everyone seems to have names to do with pac etc these days so i thought id rep raekwon as not many peeps give him the respect he deserves :D
i see big l in ur siggy, he has some great lines in his raps good stuff!

I am Jewish and strongly believe in G-d.

This is a good topic by the way. I don't like being witnessed to (I'm like extra points to lots of Christians since I'm a Jew if they convert me I guess :D ) But I get interested also in who believes or doesn't believe

good topic

I believe in a God of some sort ,but not jesus.
If you can believe in hell,why not heaven?
I think more people believe in hell stronger than heaven

I mean we can all sit here and talk about how star dust form us from the big bang etc... or we can all say that god made us and the universe, how really knows, I am not taking anyones word that its all in the bible,too many people in it and it doesnt make complete sence,all depends how you read it

i believe in God & i always pray that He keeps us safe all the time................ :D

Just another tidbit of info on the topic.

Did you know that the higher a person's education level is the less likely they are to believe in God? This isn't knocking anyone.....just an article I read. Hell, it could be total nonsense but I think it may be accurate.

I dunno man... I hate to point this out but us Jewbies are usually smart as hell. Then again, most born Jews aren't observant so I might take that article for real

I think the reason why is the more you learn about the way the world works the less plausable it is... I mean come on.... I believe in G-d but there is a lot that I get hung up on

Yes i believe in god.

The God of the Bible is real but i hate the way man has taken his word and added to it, made it fit to his own ends for his own profit


that was very well said G, my thoughts exactly... i couldn't have said it better

Just another tidbit of info on the topic.

Did you know that the higher a person's education level is the less likely they are to believe in God? This isn't knocking anyone.....just an article I read. Hell, it could be total nonsense but I think it may be accurate.


nah, it's bull****. i have 2 bachelor's degrees, and i know lots of other people like me

I made the effort to read some of the bible once, i remember it saying something like this - if you look at a woman lustfully you should gauge your own eye's out!! I'm not sure if they were the exact words but it was along those lines.

Were's CITA when you need him!!!



you got it right, that was said by Jesus himself, and it means, moral judegements are FOR YOURSELF ALONE, not to be imposed on someone else. We are only fit to judge ourselves

If God created humans and all livng things, then who created him? WHO CREATED GOD? Where did it all start? Everything came from something right?

If God created humans and all livng things, then who created him? WHO CREATED GOD? Where did it all start? Everything came from something right?

whats funny is even without god it still makes no sense.

If God created humans and all livng things, then who created him? WHO CREATED GOD? Where did it all start? Everything came from something right?


Honestly, I do not know. I just believe in Jesus and New Testament, and that's it.

If God created humans and all livng things, then who created him? WHO CREATED GOD? Where did it all start? Everything came from something right?


no one created God, G would always have to exist before everyhting else... that's the definition of a supreme being

There is a God and he gave his only begotten son Jesus to save man.

Even if you don't believe in God he believes in you.

There is a God and he gave his only begotten son Jesus to save man.

Even if you don't believe in God he believes in you.


It's about time u showed up dude... lone ranger to the rescue!!!

It's about time u showed up dude... lone ranger to the rescue!!!


It is not my place to push my beliefs on my fellow boxing fans(as I have tended to do in the past), but since this thread was started by someone else I responded to it.

I believe God exsists and I belive he plays a role in all our lives.

No matter what your beliefs about God are, I believe that he believes in everyone.

We are all children of God.

Yes, it is false. I believe in Christ too (and have B.S./M.S./Ph.D.)

Another person here I know is working on a Ph.D. and too believes in Jesus.
That is probably the worst thing, that is like if they found a cure for AIDS which you have for example, involving a shot and you said yeah i believe it will cure me but i don't like needles so i will pass.
Then you die and it was totally your own fault, it was offered and even paid for by someone else but you did not want it because you were a bit scared of needles.

It is not my place to push my beliefs on my fellow boxing fans(as I have tended to do in the past), but since this thread was started by someone else I responded to it.

I believe God exsists and I belive he plays a role in all our lives.

No matter what your beliefs about God are, I believe that he believes in everyone.

We are all children of God.
yeah that last part, not true, you have to believe on him and his work as complete for what he claimed it did, for that to be true. He says we are all children of the devil until then.:D remember???

I know ChrististheAnswer used to post religious stuff, and some people may want to reply and some may not. This isn't a debate or an arguement. I'm just curious, and for those that reply can others that feel differently please refrain from slandering others with different views.

I'll start......I do not believe in God or organized religion.
I'm a catholic religion teacher :)

Yes, it is b/s. I believe in Christ too (and have B.S./M.S./Ph.D.)

Another person here I know is working on a Ph.D. and too believes in Jesus.


Thanks to everyone posting and sharing a very personal portion of their life on such a sensitive subject. I wasn't on last night and just got caught up to date with everyones replies.

I'd like to respond to the few people that took the statement about higher level of education=non belief in God incorrectly.

I stated that I had read that the higher a person's education, the LESS LIKELY they were to believe in God. This doesn't mean that if you have a PHD or a Masters or your welders certificate that you don't believe in God! Look at it in numbers.....for example:

3rd grade education = 95% believe in God
8th Grade = 80%
HS Diploma = 75%
Bachelors = %65
Masters = %55
PHD = %50

These aren't actual figures of a proven study...just an example of the point I was trying to make. If you look at this correctly, I think it makes alot of sense. Again, this doesn't mean if you are smart you don't believe in God......you are misconstruing the point.

It's all so mind-boggling to try & figure out.

Just what would be the point to some omnipotent being creating a planet...inhabiting it with a huge number of living things, resources...& sitting back & watching one of the created beings (the most advanced) do its part to slowly destroy the world it was designed to run ?

& why would the being that created the world, & its creatures, feel the need to have the creatures worship him/her/it/whatever ?

Thanks to everyone posting and sharing a very personal portion of their life on such a sensitive subject. I wasn't on last night and just got caught up to date with everyones replies.

I'd like to respond to the few people that took the statement about higher level of education=non belief in God incorrectly.

I stated that I had read that the higher a person's education, the LESS LIKELY they were to believe in God. This doesn't mean that if you have a PHD or a Masters or your welders certificate that you don't believe in God! Look at it in numbers.....for example:

3rd grade education = 95% believe in God
8th Grade = 80%
HS Diploma = 75%
Bachelors = %65
Masters = %55
PHD = %50

These aren't actual figures of a proven study...just an example of the point I was trying to make. If you look at this correctly, I think it makes alot of sense. Again, this doesn't mean if you are smart you don't believe in God......you are misconstruing the point.
http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&%20religion.htm

http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&%20religion.htm

Oh wow, thank you......perfect site for this topic.

It's all so mind-boggling to try & figure out.

Just what would be the point to some omnipotent being creating a planet...inhabiting it with a huge number of living things, resources...& sitting back & watching one of the created beings (the most advanced) do its part to slowly destroy the world it was designed to run ?

& why would the being that created the world, & its creatures, feel the need to have the creatures worship him/her/it/whatever ? it is crazy and really makes you dizzy :confused: but then adding 1 and 1 makes me dizzy :D.
I often wonder why so many people have to be lost, it says in the Bible millions and millions probably billions are going to end up in hell.
Why??
Why make people when you know so many are going to be lost forever?
why not just avoid it all together or kill adam and eve and start from scratch?
Then why kill adam and eve for making a choice you knew they were going to make?
Why does an omnipotent being want us to serve him?
going back to the lost people they choose Him or not many people hear about the Gospel in their lives and most ignore it.
Those that don't hear it, the ones in say deepest Africa have the testimoney of God in their conscience and are according to the Bible going to be judged on that and not whether they heard the Gospel or not.
"Will the judge of the Earth not do right?"

If God created humans and all livng things, then who created him? WHO CREATED GOD? Where did it all start? Everything came from something right?

i think that is the exact question proving there is a god, almost all scientist have agreed that everything has a beginning, the whole universe they say started with the BIG BANG, but how did the big bang happen, who or what made it possible...

no man can answer or prove this question, so if we can not prove it, its not real or its not true, but how come we all here...

man's knowledge per se limit us to only understand that everything has a beginning and also limit us NOT to comprehend that there is a supreme being (GOD) who has no beginning nor end who started it all.

I think, only faith can make anyone believe or understand...

Why does whatever higher power we're talking about here have to be one entity called God? I understand if that's part of the religion you subscribe to. But I don't see why if there are forces in the world that shape things in ways we cannot explain if automatically means that there's some guy with a big beard up in the sky pulling all the strings.

I am a former Catholic.

What I have learned is you can believe in God without following in a religion. Actually, it is better to define God according to what you observe rather than try to fit him in to a definition someone else (a religion) gives to you.

I have seen that there is plenty outside of religion to support the existance of God.
I for one was not sure until I studied the sciences and Philosophy. That is how I believe in him. As much as religion tries, it cannot monopolize God.

It's all so mind-boggling to try & figure out.

Just what would be the point to some omnipotent being creating a planet...inhabiting it with a huge number of living things, resources...& sitting back & watching one of the created beings (the most advanced) do its part to slowly destroy the world it was designed to run ?

& why would the being that created the world, & its creatures, feel the need to have the creatures worship him/her/it/whatever ?

Good question. I think what we call God is merely a compilation of all the energy that went into the creation of the universe. The energy has a sentinence though.

Actually oddly enough, what is called the 'force' in Star Wars movies is closest to what I think God is.

This is a quote from St. Augustine: "Since it is God we are speaking of, you do not understand it. If you could understand it, it would not be God."

****, that's an amazing thing to say.

I'm a catholic religion teacher :)

Have them read from the Da Vinci code. hehehe

This is a quote from St. Augustine: "Since it is God we are speaking of, you do not understand it. If you could understand it, it would not be God."

****, that's an amazing thing to say.

Bomb. Exactly. This coming from a man creating dogma for a religion. I happen to agree with him. This quote CLEARLY negates religion.

These topics are always fun.

Bomb. Exactly. This coming from a man creating dogma for a religion. I happen to agree with him. This quote CLEARLY negates religion.

St. Augustine's really an interesting guy. While he was creating dogma for a rather harsh and oppressive religion (though St. Ambrose fashioned the bulk of the fundamentalist rules) he was also really interested in understanding how the world worked beyond this basic scripture. He developed theories for everything from God to how time worked.

I respect anyones faith.

My belief is that theres something bigger than us.
Not necessarily a god. I have no clue what.

Its something that goes beyond us. We are not build to understand. We are not intelligent enough for that I think.

Maybe if humans keep evolving and get more intelligent.
But by then we have probably destructed our selfs.

St. Augustine's really an interesting guy. While he was creating dogma for a rather harsh and oppressive religion (though St. Ambrose fashioned the bulk of the fundamentalist rules) he was also really interested in understanding how the world worked beyond this basic scripture. He developed theories for everything from God to how time worked.

All that **** didn't stop him from being a self righteous prick though.

I like Thomas Aquinas.

Have you heard of Hildegard of Bingan?

All that **** didn't stop him from being a self righteous prick though.

I like Thomas Aquinas.

Have you heard of Hildegard of Bingan?

For sure, both him and Ambrose were responsible for suppressing women's rights and banning such "blashphemous" stuff as pre-marital sex.

Frances of Assissi is interesting, as well. Never heard of Hildegard of Bingan (just starting to get back into studying Catholicism, though only from an academic point of view, of course).

Why are there so many injustices and prejudice in the old testament?

Why didn't God know in the first hand that Adam and Eve would take a bite out of the apple?

Why didn't God know where Adam and Eve were hiding in shame?

Why did God allow deception, such as in the case of Jacob and Esau?

Why did God destroy mankind in a deluge, only to regret later?

Just asking coz I don't easily believe in what my preacher says. I wish to seek it, not believe blindly.

Why are there so many injustices and prejudice in the old testament?

Why didn't God know in the first hand that Adam and Eve would take a bite out of the apple?

Why didn't God know where Adam and Eve were hiding in shame?

Why did God allow deception, such as in the case of Jacob and Esau?

Why did God destroy mankind in a deluge, only to regret later?

Just asking coz I don't easily believe in what my preacher says. I wish to seek it, not believe blindly.

This is the kind of stuff that people wracked their brains over in the middle ages.

I'm not much for organized religion, but I believe if you investigate you will find people who have studied these questions :cool: .

Why are there so many injustices and prejudice in the old testament?

Why didn't God know in the first hand that Adam and Eve would take a bite out of the apple?

Why didn't God know where Adam and Eve were hiding in shame?

Why did God allow deception, such as in the case of Jacob and Esau?

Why did God destroy mankind in a deluge, only to regret later?

Just asking coz I don't easily believe in what my preacher says. I wish to seek it, not believe blindly.

Preachers do not teach about God. They teach about the religion that gives them a job.

Hildegard of Bingan by the way, was a nun who had 'visions' and recieved words of god. She was one of the mystics of the middle ages. Though what is interesting about her is Bernard of Clairveaux (St. Bernard) thought she was authentic. The Pope himself declared that God indeed spoke to her.

Among the things she said God said was......
Fornication is not a sin.
The Bible is incorrect.
There is no such thing as original sin.

A bunch of stuff like that.

And the pope at the time, said SHE was the word of god.

So who are we to argue?

Hildegard of Bingan by the way, was a nun who had 'visions' and recieved words of god. She was one of the mystics of the middle ages. Though what is interesting about her is Bernard of Clairveaux (St. Bernard) thought she was authentic. The Pope himself declared that God indeed spoke to her.

Among the things she said God said was......
Fornication is not a sin.
The Bible is incorrect.
There is no such thing as original sin.

A bunch of stuff like that.

And the pope at the time, said SHE was the word of god.

So who are we to argue?

I think I've heard of that story, now that I think about it. Thanks for the info.

It is not my place to push my beliefs on my fellow boxing fans(as I have tended to do in the past), but since this thread was started by someone else I responded to it.

I believe God exsists and I belive he plays a role in all our lives.

No matter what your beliefs about God are, I believe that he believes in everyone.

We are all children of God.

I think you believe in hell because you posted that test, do you believe the answers in the test are correct and that most of us are really going to hell? If not at what stage would god disown his children and sends them to hell!

Why are there so many injustices and prejudice in the old testament?

Why didn't God know in the first hand that Adam and Eve would take a bite out of the apple?

Why didn't God know where Adam and Eve were hiding in shame?

Why did God allow deception, such as in the case of Jacob and Esau?

Why did God destroy mankind in a deluge, only to regret later?

Just asking coz I don't easily believe in what my preacher says. I wish to seek it, not believe blindly. 1. i am not sure what you mean
2. he knew
3. he knew but asked them to come out, the way he talked to them is like your mom asking you when you were young if you ate the chocolate she bought for a relative in hospital, you have chocolate around your mouth, she can see it but wants you to show that you respect her by telling her the truth.
4. Free will my man it is the greatest gift he gave us.
5. not quite sure you would have to understand the way he thinks and that aint happening

Hildegard of Bingan by the way, was a nun who had 'visions' and recieved words of god. She was one of the mystics of the middle ages. Though what is interesting about her is Bernard of Clairveaux (St. Bernard) thought she was authentic. The Pope himself declared that God indeed spoke to her.

Among the things she said God said was......
Fornication is not a sin.
The Bible is incorrect.
There is no such thing as original sin.

A bunch of stuff like that.

And the pope at the time, said SHE was the word of god.


So who are we to argue?
if the bible be declared incorrect then the pope falls on his face as a liar with no basis (he has no basis anyway) and should go get a 9 to 5.
She dares to call God a liar?
She removes every qualification for her "faith"

never have never will

if the bible be declared incorrect then the pope falls on his face as a liar with no basis (he has no basis anyway) and should go get a 9 to 5.
She dares to call God a liar?
She removes every qualification for her "faith"

So when did you become an authority on everything? No offence, but this is what bugs the hell out of me when it comes to Christians, particularly American protestants. They think they know everything and act like *******s to people who disagree even slightly with them. So, you have all the answers? You have everything figured out, when popes and saints and martyrs could not figure it out? Please...

I don't know anything, but I can tell you this. When you believe in the Lord you can feel his works in your life.

I don't know anything, but I can tell you this. When you believe in the Lord you can feel his works in your life.

I'm not putting down people's faith by any means. I just don't like it when someone is arrogant about it. No matter how faithful you are, there are just some aspects of it that cannot be explained, and that can probably never be explained. It's ridiculous for someone to act pompous and righteous and pretend they know everything there is to know.

I'm not putting down people's faith by any means. I just don't like it when someone is arrogant about it. No matter how faithful you are, there are just some aspects of it that cannot be explained, and that can probably never be explained. It's ridiculous for someone to act pompous and righteous and pretend they know everything there is to know.

I understand where you are coming from. I also don't appreciate people who try to convince me that there is no God, or who act like they are intellectually superior because they are athiests.

It works both ways. Religion is ok to discuss in an open minded and respectful fashion, but stupid to argue about.

I believe in myself. I don't ponder the thought. I have many reasons to believe and many not too. I have read up on the Pagan and **** religions and they have some very valid points. I believe in the 10 comandments, not nessessarily how they came about but what they stand for. Just Morals! I don't like to be preached too, and I don't preach. I do find that that people I know that are church go-ers are decent trustworthy people. I will find out when my time is up. Nobody can prove the existance of a higher power. If you cant prove it, why debate it?

I understand where you are coming from. I also don't appreciate people who try to convince me that there is no God, or who act like they are intellectually superior because they are athiests.

It works both ways. Religion is ok to discuss in an open minded and respectful fashion, but stupid to argue about.

I totally agree with you there. I hate those smug "skeptic" types as well who dismiss everything that doesn't fit inside the narrow band of scientific knowledge that we currently possess. If it makes you feel better, from what I've seen these people are mostly a rather miserable lot, smug on their perches but pretty much bitter and alone.

So when did you become an authority on everything? No offence, but this is what bugs the hell out of me when it comes to Christians, particularly American protestants. They think they know everything and act like *******s to people who disagree even slightly with them. So, you have all the answers? You have everything figured out, when popes and saints and martyrs could not figure it out? Please...
I have a view, that is my view

I have a view, that is my view

Fair enough. Hope you understand that this kind of talk can make me a bit touchy :cool: .

yeah i know check history for all the wars started by religion

yeah i know check history for all the wars started by religion

Pretty friggn sad eh? And what did those wars prove? Did it prove whos god is better or real? No, so what's the point.

As the Maytr Rodney King once said: "Can't we all just get along?"

Pretty friggn sad eh? And what did those wars prove? Did it prove whos god is better or real? No, so what's the point.

As the Maytr Rodney King once said: "Can't we all just get along?"

It's even worse than that. Whole wars were started by members of the same religions over very minor details in their scriptures. In the early middle ages there were huge dust-ups about whether or not Jesus was a human being, a spirit, or some combination of both. They did not argue of whether or now he was the son of God, just about what "stuff" he was made out of, so to speak. The fighting lasted centuries, and there is still an east-west split in the church. Muslims split into Sunnis and *****es over a succession issue, and had never reconciled since.

i dont know if i believe in god , but i hope he believes in me

I love the variety of knowledge so many people bring to the table :D

I love the variety of knowledge so many people bring to the table :D

I second that. I also like the wide variety of opinions :cool: .

1. I believe in God! Absolutely! Others call Him Allah, Supreme Being or Creator, Higher Power, etc. but it's the same rose by any other name.
2. There are countless things in life that cannot be explained. But believing in God requires that thing called faith. Simply stated, it's "believing without seeing". You don't need proof, reasons or education. You just know in your heart He's there.
3. In many countries, there are groups of scientists who call themselves "Christian Scientists". Speaking of scientists, there was an article in Yahoo not too long ago that many scinetists now believe that there is a "Power" who began all things, including the Big Bang. See No. 1.
4. When He created us, he also gave us "free will". This explains why Adam & Eve and the devils were free to do what they did.
5. Why bad things happen to us? Remember we have the devils around us to mess things up for us!
6. Where are the crown of thorns, the tablets, the Arc, etc? C'mon guys, I can't even find the keys that I lost just a few minutes back! How much more for things that were lost thousands of years ago?
7. Good news is God is love and even if you don't love Him (yet), He still loves you! You can count on it!
Cheers guys! :)

Exactly.

It also said something like - do not judge or you shall be judged! :confused: So its one rule for us and another for them, so it shouldnt be too different from earth!! :D

I dident mean boxing, boxing is a sport, there are priests who box.

there was a time that i believed in god, then i lost some faith, but now i'm starting to believe in god again. people will have different ideas of what god is. i believe that there is higher intelligence than humans. maybe they're so far advanced that they're like gods/god to us.

I second that. I also like the wide variety of opinions :cool: .

I like it better when opinions are so poorly formed that I can ridicule someone for having it......oh ****, did I say this out loud?

It's all so mind-boggling to try & figure out.

Just what would be the point to some omnipotent being creating a planet...inhabiting it with a huge number of living things, resources...& sitting back & watching one of the created beings (the most advanced) do its part to slowly destroy the world it was designed to run ?

& why would the being that created the world, & its creatures, feel the need to have the creatures worship him/her/it/whatever ?


using your own logic... what would be the point of anyone having children, watching them suffer, get addicted to drugs, become criminals, **** up their life, hoping they'll turn things around. Just cause we ****ed up the world, that's no reason to blame God.

All that **** didn't stop him from being a self righteous prick though.

I like Thomas Aquinas.

Have you heard of Hildegard of Bingan?


we're all self righteous pricks( hypocrites, insert your favorite insult here), my own personal belief is:

people are *******s, that's why we need God

Do you believe in hell?[/QUOTE]


yes, my mother in law spent the weekend at my house this past weekend. :eek:

Do you believe in hell?


yes, my mother in law spent the weekend at my house this past weekend. :eek:[/QUOTE]

lol that's funny lol

God laughs when He hears someone say there is no God. It is the one thing that makes Him laugh the most.

God laughs when He hears someone say there is no God. It is the one thing that makes Him laugh the most.

I guess I would laugh if someone said I didn't exist too.

But let me ask you Winter, does God have vocal chords?

I have already given my answer but i did it the wrong way round, i wanted to ask the question before i forgot.

I respect people beliefs, but i'm very interested in how anyone can have such strong feelings for something thats impossible to prove!?

Along those lines...Im right with you. I was baptized catholic and it now it quite apparent that the catholic church is a ****ing joke! They have zero credibility...it has been decades now that they new about priest banging little boys and what did they do...they transfer these mother****ers!

Imagine if a fire chief had a firefighter that worked under him setting fires all over town...imagine that the fire chief to fix the problem simply transfers this guy to another precinct...this is in essance what happened with the Catholic Church and I am ashamed!

As for what I believe in...well I believe in something...but what I don't know? I hope, I have faith...but in what Im not really sure. I can't stand when people tell you your going to hell because you don't believe the way they do...how the **** does anyone no the right way to believe? HAs anyone here ever been to heaven? To many damn ****heads on this earth spend to much time talking about the afterlife....well I got news for you and this is just an opinion that could be totally off base, but there is no ****ing after life! Heaven is just like Belinda Carlisle describes it, a place on earth, make the most of it or die only to find out that its over, that the grass really isn't greener on the other side...

I could go on and on, what I am trying to say is believe in whatever you like, that is absolutely fantastic! However never tell someone that there belief is wrong...be open to the fact that you could be wrong and someone else could be right, be open to the fact that everyone could be way off base...be mother****ing open....if we could prove something then that would be fact and no room for loose interpretation but we can't unsolved ****ing mysteries is still searching for Noah and his ark.

I love Boxingscene, Jesus, Muhammad, Moses,allah, Noah, Gilgamesh, mary...I love everyone!!!!

Yeah but if you are wrong and there is no afterlife you are in serious trouble, this life is to be spent finding the truth before it is too late once you cross that line there is no going back.

I do, even though I am a bad person, I refuse to cross certain boundries because of God.

God laughs when He hears someone say there is no God. It is the one thing that makes Him laugh the most.


this reminds me of a joke i saw written on a bathroom wall:


God is dead
- nietzsche

Nietzsche is dead
- God


i say God wins on this one :D

I believe in God, and I also believe in Jesus Christ. But I do not accept that this is a "blind faith". There is plenty of archeological and historical evidence that backs up the Bible. The Bible is the only book that was written by a collection of people, inspired by God, who claimed to be eyewitnesses to the events that occurred. It wasn't written by one person. There are more existing manuscript Bibles that date back closer to the original manuscript time period than any other literary work. The Dead Sea Scrolls also show us that the Bible we have today is almost exactly word for word what we had back then. And then there are the prophecies in the Old Testament that all came true in the New Testament.

Religion is a deep spot for some people. I myself am an atheous. I don't believe in god. There is just too much inequality in the world for me to believe that theere is a god. Why is it so hard fix? Why do good people die and bad people such as drug dealers live on to rich lives? I myself, am a firm believer in science. It is my belief that religion was hearsay passed down by followers and into what we have in society today. Religion is 'faith'. A belief that when their lives are over, their life will be judged and either heaven or hell awaits. That is why there is a very small percentage of criminals who believe devoutly in god. Religion is an avenue in which good people believe that a nirvana awaits them in life after death. The belief that death is not to be feared. As a believer in science, i believe that it is all in the mind. It is incomprehensible to people that life can just be over when we die. But the thing is, when you die, your brain stops operating and thus we can not think. We are nothing. That is neither bad or good because we are not alive to judge it. Our brain has stopped functioning. People may then question how the world was created etc. That is an answer that has partly explained by science, but once again we don't really know. Much like we don't really how the concept of time works, or how big our universe can keep growing into infinity. In the end we just don't know. Who knows what theories future generations may come up with. What we do know, is we now live in a generation where religion is a big part of society. The above might sound ludicrous and stupid, but thats just my two cents. What scap said is also very accurate in my mind.

My question for those people who don't believe in God...if you DID believe in God, what part of your lifestyle would it cause you to have to give up? This is a sticking point for some people.

I also think that we have created in our own minds what we think God should be. If He doesn't live up to OUR OWN standard, we throw out the idea of God altogether. I believe everything happens for a reason, and God knows a heck of a lot more than we do. If He created us, doesn't that give Him to right to do or allow what he sees fit? Some of you will start with the premise that man is basically good....I disagree, I would say that man is basically bad and self-serving, at is only through God's grace that ANYONE can have eternal life.

i grew up in a society with almost only one belief which was the catholic faith, did not know much about other religions, did not know what the difference between other christian faith, grew older learn more about other religions and was taught that my belief is the right one...

now been working away from my home a long time been exposed to other religions other belief but similar philosophy, learn not to argue who is right and who is wrong shared the belief that there is a supreme being guiding us...

for believers its faith the proves that there is a god, for none believers this does not work...

so much discussion done to prove gods exsistence and non existence, up to now we don't have anything that we can agree on, we dont have any answers...

i just hope someday we will know and agree on the answer...

Have any of you ever played the whisper game? Ya know the one when you were in 8th grade and you were in class and the teacher whispered a very simple sentance like "johnny went to the store and bought grapes"...then that person would whisper it to the next and so on and so fourth...do you remember what would happen once it reached the end of the line....that simple sentance turned into something unrecognizeable to the original...it is ridiculously fascinating...

Now take the bible into account, do you believe that what we have today is the very same thing as what was written long ago? With the various interpretations people have, the languages/translations...etc.I find it hard to believe that the book is the same...This is one of many problems I have.

Wissy you said your a science guy, well then your a good man! Science is everything and it is the only way that anything will ever be proved or for that matter disproved. I can say that there is a boogey man or a sasquatch that lives in the woods by my house and not a damn one of you can disprove, the same can be said for many things in the bible...like noahs ark, does anyone believe that some dude named noah took two of everything, built a ****en bayliner and sailed around for a while...cmon...being on this earth for 26 years..all of my experiences tells me that is impossible...but just like the boogey man or the sasquatch I can't disprove it. Back to Science...I think Science is the key...it may prove the big bang, it may disprove it, it may be able to pinpoint when life actually started on this planet and more importantly how long was the earth around before life started...was it instant...did it take 1K years or a million? Someday Sciene will help, it may help us find alien life someday, who knows and if that happened would they be governed under the same god or would they have a different god, or would they think we were nuts?
Don't discredit science especially when it comes to religion...if the United States did not use Science the way we do we would not be a super power...science allowed us crush Japan, science in many way helped out in ending the cold war...dont pick and choose when science can cannot be effective...either live by it or don't.

I love what everyone has written, your beliefs are great and everyone is entitled to them, super! In the end the none of us no ****...I hope there is a heaven and a god-Im an agnostic which means that I believe in something I just don't know what...I certainly hope that god if he/she/it exists is not the ego maniac that many on this earth have made him/her/it out to be...if I go to the big house one day and I sit before him I will pay him my money then! I will simply tell him that there were thousands upon thousands of false profits (benny hinn, Jerry Fallwell, Swaggert, catholic church) on earth and I didn't know who to pay or who to believe...Im glad that I have never given a cent to the catholic church...do you realize that when that money bucket go es around what it payed for....it quietly payed for thousands and thousands of people who were molested by the church in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and today...so god I will pay you when I see you-I hope you understand.

My question for those people who don't believe in God...if you DID believe in God, what part of your lifestyle would it cause you to have to give up? This is a sticking point for some people.

I also think that we have created in our own minds what we think God should be. If He doesn't live up to OUR OWN standard, we throw out the idea of God altogether. I believe everything happens for a reason, and God knows a heck of a lot more than we do. If He created us, doesn't that give Him to right to do or allow what he sees fit? Some of you will start with the premise that man is basically good....I disagree, I would say that man is basically bad and self-serving, at is only through God's grace that ANYONE can have eternal life.

I know some harcore religous people who go to church every sunday, some of these people are my friends and they have told me im going to hell...these same people go out and snort coke, smoke pot, cheat on their women etc. but they ask for forgiveness for there sins...what a crock of ****ing ****! So your question, what would I give up if I believed in a god (again I believe in something)...I guess the answer is nothing...I would just go to church on Sunday's and say Sorry...then in the coming week repeat my sins again...second verse same as the first!

I agree 100% scap. I have friends who do all sorts of nasty things then repent their sins on the Sunday. They must believe in their heads that it is ok to sin just as long as they ask forgiveness. This is using teh church as an excuse to sin and really, that is in itself the real sin.
Secondly, i myself am a non believer not because i am satans buddy but because i honestly do not believe. The only way i will believe is if i see proof of God`s existance. It doesn`t make a person bad. If you tolarate someones beleifs then you must tolarate those who do not believe. In some parts of small town America claiming that you are not religous can get you shot. Are these the actions of God loving sinless people?

I know exactly what you mean Kimmy, Im with you!

CITA posted this test a while ago! According to this i'm going to hell!! i got a really bad score!!
http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv

My girl isnt sure if she believes in god, but she thinks if there is a god that i'm going to heaven because i'm a nice guy!! She thinks that a god should know if a person is genuine/good and god would understand that mistakes can be made.

If you go the Hell for fighting(boxing), sex(lot of) and drugs(not anymore) i'm ****ed!! :eek:

Ive finaly done the test and guess what i was sent to the second level of hell, What level of hell were you sent too?

Ive finaly done the test and guess what i was sent to the second level of hell, What level of hell were you sent too?

I think it was level 8!!

I dont really care, i'm a decent guy, i always act nice but i lose my temper with people who dont show me the same respect as i show them, i'm not married but have an active sex life and i work in sales so my job revolves around money & i'm good at telling lies.

I think it was level 8!!

I dont really care, i'm a decent guy, i always act nice but i lose my temper with people who dont show me the same respect as i show them, i'm not married but have an active sex life and i work in sales so my job revolves around money & i'm good at telling lies.

Yeah its just a test but, level 8 damn!

That is a joke man forget those people take them as no example they are clearly in the wrong the Bible clearly dictates that sin should be castaway, these people will find out some day

Yeah its just a test but, level 8 damn!

I thought i would do ok, i didnt think i'd that far down the list!! How the **** did you manage level 2?

Questions like these were my downfall.
Have you ever engaged in oral or anal sex?
Do you masturbate often?
Do Some people just deserve to die?
Have you been to a strip club?
Have you been in any physical fights in recent years?
Are you good at telling lies?
Do you look at ****ography?
Do you often lose your temper?
Do you intentionally cause harm to others, or to animals?
Have you had sex or do you plan to have sex before marriage?

:p :D

I thought i would do ok, i didnt think i'd that far down the list!! How the **** did you manage level 2?

Questions like these were my downfall.
Have you ever engaged in oral or anal sex?
Do you masturbate often?
Do Some people just deserve to die?
Have you been to a strip club?
Have you been in any physical fights in recent years?
Are you good at telling lies?
Do you look at ****ography?
Do you often lose your temper?
Do you intentionally cause harm to others, or to animals?
Have you had sex or do you plan to have sex before marriage?

:p :D

I answered yes on everyone of those execpt ive never been at a stripclub, i guess i made the second cause im a kind and most important off all im a beliver.

You most have done bad on the other questions, since we agree on these.

God is a supreme being infinitely perfect Who made all things and keep the existence...

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Some of the beautiful creations of God.

I answered yes on everyone of those execpt ive never been at a stripclub, i guess i made the second cause im a kind and most important off all im a beliver.

You most have done bad on the other questions, since we agree on these.

i dont blame you, strip clubs are lame!! i've only been because i know a girl who danced at one.

i dont blame you, strip clubs are lame!! i've only been because i know a girl who danced at one.

No, i think its nice.

Only reason i havent is that im 17.

No, i think its nice.

Only reason i havent is that im 17.

I thought it was cool until i went to one. you get some girl coming up to you, talking ****, asking if you wanna dance, doing a lame dance, stealing your money and thats it!! Half the girls are ****ing ugly too!!

I've not tried it but i'd rather get an escort, it costs more but at least your getting your end away!!

Should be be talking about sex and strippers on a god thread?

That is a BIG problem. Those people are hypocrites. The Bible says that obedience to God's Word shows "faith", and a lack of obedience shows a "lack of faith". If we love God, we are supposed to obey what He commands. Do all Christians sin? Sure. But if a Christian isn't making an effort to live by the rules of the Bible...and thinks they can live any way they want to...you have to wonder if they really are a Christian. Of course, that is for God to judge, but Christians lifestyles should be different than that of the world. Those who call themselves Christians and act in these ways do more damage to religion than anyone else.

That is a BIG problem. Those people are hypocrites. The Bible says that obedience to God's Word shows "faith", and a lack of obedience shows a "lack of faith". If we love God, we are supposed to obey what He commands. Do all Christians sin? Sure. But if a Christian isn't making an effort to live by the rules of the Bible...and thinks they can live any way they want to...you have to wonder if they really are a Christian. Of course, that is for God to judge, but Christians lifestyles should be different than that of the world. Those who call themselves Christians and act in these ways do more damage to religion than anyone else.

The order in the universe is enough to say that there is a Supreme Being out there that takes care of everything...and it's the same God of Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and Jews alike!

MERRY CHRISTMAS and A HAPPY NEW YEAR to All!

That is a BIG problem. Those people are hypocrites. The Bible says that obedience to God's Word shows "faith", and a lack of obedience shows a "lack of faith". If we love God, we are supposed to obey what He commands. Do all Christians sin? Sure. But if a Christian isn't making an effort to live by the rules of the Bible...and thinks they can live any way they want to...you have to wonder if they really are a Christian. Of course, that is for God to judge, but Christians lifestyles should be different than that of the world. Those who call themselves Christians and act in these ways do more damage to religion than anyone else.


these people think they're christians, but they are not. they'll find this out one day, it won't be pretty. christians are supposed to be known for showing the world God's love, not being proud self centered egotistical hedonistic ****s, that's the test

merry christmas everybody!!!

these people think they're christians, but they are not. they'll find this out one day, it won't be pretty. christians are supposed to be known for showing the world God's love, not being proud self centered egotistical hedonistic ****s, that's the test

merry christmas everybody!!!


Great post.

Merry Christmas to you too !

merry Christmas Nautilus, i wish i could say it in russian but the only russian i know is very bad, something you'd probably like to say to Sweet *** willi

merry Christmas Nautilus, i wish i could say it in russian but the only russian i know is very bad, something you'd probably like to say to Sweet *** willi




S Rozhdestvom Xristovym

S Rozhdestvom Xristovym, Nautilus and happy new year too, (even though Xmas on the Julian calendar ( is this right???) isn't until jan 7?)

S Rozhdestvom Xristovym, Nautilus and happy new year too, (even though Xmas on the Julian calendar ( is this right???) isn't until jan 7?)



Absolutely, but it is so much fun to celebrate Christmas twice !

I belive in God :)

I'm a Catholic... That says it all.

Me too.fofikdnldkd