This is hard for me to tell. James Toney is an excellent fighter great defence, great counterpunching, good chin, good strategy. So far he has done pretty good as a Heavyweight, hopefully we will see more of him at this weight. He has been calling out Klitschko. This would be a great David vs. Goliath matchup. Every one knows that Vitali is an enourmous giant, probably the biggest Heavyweight Champ of all time. Question is we all know Toney is a great fighter....but there comes a point where science and physics comes into play...meaning Vitali's size......Is Vitali too big for Toney to beat?

Vitaly is a good ten inches taller than Toney and I think 5 years younger.

Vitaly is also not a wild bomber that will take wild shots that Toney can duck.

Expect a slow fight with toney backed against the ropes and Vitaly choosing not to tee off on him but to keep a jab in his face for ten boring rounds, or if Toney starts to tire, a 1-2 punch knockout.

I admit that Toney could get underneth a taller heavyweight and break the guy down, and maybe 10 years ago (and 40 lbs) have some shot with Vitaly, but vitaly will hold, and not let Toney under him.

When that fat **** Toney comes back, I want him to fight a legit heavyweight. If he fights another Rydell Booker he can go **** himself and drop dead!! It's time to step up fatboy and show the world you have what it takes to make it with the big boys!!

Vitali will keep Toney at the end of his jab, land the big left and the fight will be over within 5.

Vitali will keep Toney at the end of his jab, land the big left and the fight will be over within 5.


so you think vitalis power will be too much for him to handle.

Yes too much Power and too big for JT. Besides I have said this like 1000 times JT will never ever ever ever ever ever get in the ring w/VK NEVER. He talks big but I guarentee he wont get into the ring with him.. Hey Toney since yer coming off an injury and Supposedly wanna fight in Feb or March fight Samuel Peters hes been callin James out and if Toney is so great he should be able to betat the supposedly one-dimesional Peters. My pick is Peters by 8th rd KO. But Im sure he'll be fighting a complete scrub for his next fight. Guarentee it.

That is a great point, Eye8you

Toney has to be able to take out a big guy before steppping into the ring with VK. And a blown up Rydel Booker does not count.

Put toney in there with Peter, McCline, or even Grant and see what he does before feeding him to VK.

If Toney KOed any of those guys, only then would he start to get some respect.

Speaking of Booker, it appears as if his "career" is over.

Rydell Booker guilty of drugs crime

US Fight Scene Cruiserweight come heavyweight contender Rydell Booker has been convicted of possession, with intent to deliver, over 1000 grams of cocaine. The 23-year-old fighter, who was outpointed by James Toney in September, will be sentenced in Detroit on December 10th.

The penalty for the crime is any number of years, up to life in prison. So it looks like the career of the former Teamcannon member is over, at least for the time being.

On paper yes but Toney could probably take his jab away from him and counter him effective enough go for a knockout late in the fight but this fight is years from making.

With so many different things to consider, there's no telling how such a fight would turn out. Toney is a great defensive fighter, but Vitali is very tall and even being a bit stiff wont matter much with an arm reach like his. I'd like to see this fight though...just to see who comes out on top ;)

i'd like to see toney against a decent heavywieght first, before talking about him against the top heaveyweight...

When that fat **** Toney comes back, I want him to fight a legit heavyweight. If he fights another Rydell Booker he can go **** himself and drop dead!! It's time to step up fatboy and show the world you have what it takes to make it with the big boys!!
This is a foolish statement and irrelevant.

i'd like to see toney against a decent heavywieght first, before talking about him against the top heaveyweight...
exactly!!!

i'd like to see toney against a decent heavywieght first, before talking about him against the top heaveyweight...
This is neither foolish nor irrelevant. Note the lack of distracting and unnecessary exclamation points.

this fight is years from making.
he is 38 almost and now injury prone. Like I said this fight is not going to happen so why do ppl talk about it so much? :confused:

he is 38 almost and now injury prone. Like I said this fight is not going to happen so why do ppl talk about it so much? :confused:

Its a forum...and its speculation. Why are you talking about it then? :confused:

Peters is a silly matchup. He's still way too young. The McCline fight isn't a terrible idea, except that he's coming off a respect-eating loss. If Jirov can extablish himself a little, I'm sure that would be a very sellable fight. He needs to beat a super-sized heavyweight. Actually, come to think of it, knocking out the obviously flawed Wladimir Klitschko, and then taking out Lamon Brewster would set up a great back story for a Vitaly-Toney fight. Think about it, Toney doesn't jst take out Vitali's brother, he also destroys Vitali's hope of revenge. It's great.

he is 38 almost and now injury prone. Like I said this fight is not going to happen so why do ppl talk about it so much? :confused:
You're wrong. He just turned thirty six. And when you become God and have the final say on what happens in the future, why don't you give us a call. We talk about it because it's an interesting fight with numerous facets and a number of possible outcomes which are easy to imagine. Also, James may be a big talker, but when was it that he didn't back it up? He's fought every big fight that's come his way. There's no evidence that he's all mouth and no balls, and I just don't get your point.

While Toney may be the better all around fighter, I believe Vitali's size would just be too much to overcome. He may have to rely on catching him with one shot. That big advantage in size is hard to overcome.

I think Vitali wins by easy KO. Toney is not nearly bg enough to hang with Toney. He will jab him to death and then unleash the big right hand for the KO. Like I have said and others as well, Toney just haasn't fought a good heavy yet. I think he would beat Peter due to his ring savy but I think Rock, Vitali and even Ruiz will beat him. Yes I said Ruiz. Just think about it for a minute. Ruiz likes to hug and wrestle with a guy right in front of him. Toney don't do nothing but stay on the ropes against a stronger fighter. Ruiz would smoother him and hug his way to a split decision. Back to the topic at hand. I think Toney is on juice anyway. Just look at the guy. He has gained more muscle mass in his arms and chest than any person I have ever seen that was not on juice. Remember when he went up to cruiser back in the day and he had a butterbean gut and made the weight? Now all the sudden he is ****-deisel at 36 years old and could out bench Ronnie Coleman. I have been a powerlifter and bodybuilder for over 10 years now and the only guys who add that kind of size in that little of time are roided out. That is probably another reason why he keeps getting injured. Your bones and ligaments are not meant to support an enormous amout of weight, especially not if it is gained in a very short time. This is just my opinion but I have been around a while and I am quite sure I am right.

I am one of the few guys who think Toney could use his experience, defense, and savvy to get inside and put in the necessary body work for the later rounds. I don't think Vitali would sit there and tee off on Toney, he wouldn't land cleanly enough, often enough to have a significant impact. If Toney came ready to fight and could last past 7 I think he could pull out the narrow decision or possible late stoppage (due to an accumulation of body damage).

I dunno I could be completely wrong though. I would just love to see this fight so Toney could have his chance to prove all the, "Toney is a fat, loudmouth sack of ****" naysayers wrong. :cool:

I think Vitali wins by easy KO. Toney is not nearly bg enough to hang with Toney. He will jab him to death and then unleash the big right hand for the KO. Like I have said and others as well, Toney just haasn't fought a good heavy yet. I think he would beat Peter due to his ring savy but I think Rock, Vitali and even Ruiz will beat him. Yes I said Ruiz. Just think about it for a minute. Ruiz likes to hug and wrestle with a guy right in front of him. Toney don't do nothing but stay on the ropes against a stronger fighter. Ruiz would smoother him and hug his way to a split decision. Back to the topic at hand. I think Toney is on juice anyway. Just look at the guy. He has gained more muscle mass in his arms and chest than any person I have ever seen that was not on juice. Remember when he went up to cruiser back in the day and he had a butterbean gut and made the weight? Now all the sudden he is ****-deisel at 36 years old and could out bench Ronnie Coleman. I have been a powerlifter and bodybuilder for over 10 years now and the only guys who add that kind of size in that little of time are roided out. That is probably another reason why he keeps getting injured. Your bones and ligaments are not meant to support an enormous amout of weight, especially not if it is gained in a very short time. This is just my opinion but I have been around a while and I am quite sure I am right.
H'es not on steroids. He hasn't been under 190 in at least seven years. He was nearly three hundred not more than three years ago. Also, he's not ****-diesel, the man's still got some gut on him.

I am one of the few guys who think Toney could use his experience, defense, and savvy to get inside and put in the necessary body work for the later rounds. I don't think Vitali would sit there and tee off on Toney, he wouldn't land cleanly enough, often enough to have a significant impact. If Toney came ready to fight and could last past 7 I think he could pull out the narrow decision or possible late stoppage (due to an accumulation of body damage).

I dunno I could be completely wrong though. I would just love to see this fight so Toney could have his chance to prove all the, "Toney is a fat, loudmouth sack of ****" naysayers wrong. :cool:
Amen, brotha. Amen.

Toney will never get into the Ring w/Vitali. Matter fact I'll bet 50K to the first one that takes it that JT will not face VK in 2005 or 2006. Any takers?

This is hard for me to tell. James Toney is an excellent fighter great defence, great counterpunching, good chin, good strategy. So far he has done pretty good as a Heavyweight, hopefully we will see more of him at this weight. He has been calling out Klitschko. This would be a great David vs. Goliath matchup. Every one knows that Vitali is an enourmous giant, probably the biggest Heavyweight Champ of all time. Question is we all know Toney is a great fighter....but there comes a point where science and physics comes into play...meaning Vitali's size......Is Vitali too big for Toney to beat?




...........YES

i want to see james toney take a big punch from vitali.

i want to see james toney take a big punch from vitali.

I'd like to see how he handels it myself. :confused:

I just want to see him fight someone good and prove himself before he gets ranked way up, but he already is, so too late!

It would be excellent fight. Then also have looked at result.

i am more interested in seeing this fight then vitali against anyone else. the pre fight hype in itself will be hilarious with toney running his mouth about vitali.

I think if anyone will beat Vitali it will be James Toney purely because he holds no fear about fighting anyone in the world and he is very talented. Vitali hasn't met slick speed and defensiveness that Toney offers. Vitali has power Toney hasn't felt on the other hand. It would definatly be a interesting fight to see.

i am more interested in seeing this fight then vitali against anyone else. the pre fight hype in itself will be hilarious with toney running his mouth about vitali.
I am too. I think most people are. Can't you imagine Klitschko trying to talk back in that thick, thick accent? It would be ****in hilarious.

I do want to see Toney establish himself a little more at heavyweight, but I wanna mention that I also think he deserves a high ranking, based upon his skill and the lack of depth at heavyweight.

I think if anyone will beat Vitali it will be James Toney purely because he holds no fear about fighting anyone in the world and he is very talented. Vitali hasn't met slick speed and defensiveness that Toney offers. Vitali has power Toney hasn't felt on the other hand. It would definatly be a interesting fight to see.
I sort of agree with you. But I would lean on Vitaly's side in this match up. One thing that not many see is Vitaly's intelligence. His ability to fight smart fight. This IMO is one of his biggest weapons. BTW Snatch rocks. One of my favorite movies :) Especially Tony with his .50 Desert Eagle

I sort of agree with you. But I would lean on Vitaly's side in this match up. One thing that not many see is Vitaly's intelligence. His ability to fight smart fight. This IMO is one of his biggest weapons. BTW Snatch rocks. One of my favorite movies :) Especially Tony with his .50 Desert Eagle

LMAO Bullet Tooth Tony kicks ass and i agree with your view about Vitali, he is a think first kind of fighter and very patient.

either way it will be very entertaining.

he is 38 almost and now injury prone. Like I said this fight is not going to happen so why do ppl talk about it so much? :confused:


Because he has great PR people.

Gym wars agianst a 170lbs Danny Green - PLEASE. James should have not let that session go longer than 2 rounds. There's no benefit in taking love taps from Danny Green fro 7 rounds.

And like I've said many times, you don't roll your shoulder on a 250lbs beast like Vitali, because that's all you''ll have - a shoulder. Your head would be taken clean off.

I think if anyone will beat Vitali it will be James Toney purely because he holds no fear about fighting anyone in the world and he is very talented. Vitali hasn't met slick speed and defensiveness that Toney offers. Vitali has power Toney hasn't felt on the other hand. It would definatly be a interesting fight to see.
If you think he holds no fear, then why has he not fought anyone legitimate in the heavyweight division? Before he injured his achilles, he was supposed to fight Mccline, but when he returned from injury he did not fight Mccline, he fought an out of shape drug dealer in Rydell Booker, if he had no fear he should have gone after Mccline again.

Peters is a silly matchup. He's still way too young. The McCline fight isn't a terrible idea, except that he's coming off a respect-eating loss. If Jirov can extablish himself a little, I'm sure that would be a very sellable fight. He needs to beat a super-sized heavyweight. Actually, come to think of it, knocking out the obviously flawed Wladimir Klitschko, and then taking out Lamon Brewster would set up a great back story for a Vitaly-Toney fight. Think about it, Toney doesn't jst take out Vitali's brother, he also destroys Vitali's hope of revenge. It's great.


wh, i like the way u think

I think Vitali wins by easy KO. Toney is not nearly bg enough to hang with Toney. He will jab him to death and then unleash the big right hand for the KO. Like I have said and others as well, Toney just haasn't fought a good heavy yet. I think he would beat Peter due to his ring savy but I think Rock, Vitali and even Ruiz will beat him. Yes I said Ruiz. Just think about it for a minute. Ruiz likes to hug and wrestle with a guy right in front of him. Toney don't do nothing but stay on the ropes against a stronger fighter. Ruiz would smoother him and hug his way to a split decision. Back to the topic at hand. I think Toney is on juice anyway. Just look at the guy. He has gained more muscle mass in his arms and chest than any person I have ever seen that was not on juice. Remember when he went up to cruiser back in the day and he had a butterbean gut and made the weight? Now all the sudden he is ****-deisel at 36 years old and could out bench Ronnie Coleman. I have been a powerlifter and bodybuilder for over 10 years now and the only guys who add that kind of size in that little of time are roided out. That is probably another reason why he keeps getting injured. Your bones and ligaments are not meant to support an enormous amout of weight, especially not if it is gained in a very short time. This is just my opinion but I have been around a while and I am quite sure I am right.


u'd be wise to rememeber one thing about James Toney, when he was a middleweight ( 160 ), in between fights he would balloon up 195 lbs (YES< I SAID 195 LBS), when he moved up to light hw he was up well over 200 in between fights and if he lays off training all togehter he's been up north of 275. Toney is a naturally fat guy, gaining weight has never been his problem, and he doesn't look **** diesel now, he looks more like a powerlifter or one of those world's strongest man guys who have a good mix of muscle and fat. It's just that he looks more muscular lately THAN WE'VE GOT USED TO SEEING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DEHYDRATE HIMSELF TO MAKE WEIGHT ANYMORE

i know i am bold to say this..but i dont think VK beat Toney...i think VK OWNS! him...VK would use that long jab and set up big punches all night...and would ko toney around...6th round

i mean like i have said from middlewight on down-height and reach (gatti/ward...and mab/morales prove this right)dont mean anything...but at HW it does..it really does and can f**k u up when the hieght and reach is so different like it would be if these two fight....i mean toney is not even like tyson, tyson atleast would have his strenght to rely on, but toney cant take VK out with one punch...Lewis and sanders cooudnt!

at HW u dont have to have great talent ot boxing ability to be champ..i am not saying VK doesnt have talent..i am just saying in general you dont have to have talent to dominate the HW division

i know i am bold to say this..but i dont think VK beat Toney...i think VK OWNS! him...VK would use that long jab and set up big punches all night...and would ko toney around...6th round

i mean like i have said from middlewight on down-height and reach (gatti/ward...and mab/morales prove this right)dont mean anything...but at HW it does..it really does and can f**k u up when the hieght and reach is so different like it would be if these two fight....i mean toney is not even like tyson, tyson atleast would have his strenght to rely on, but toney cant take VK out with one punch...Lewis and sanders cooudnt!

at HW u dont have to have great talent ot boxing ability to be champ..i am not saying VK doesnt have talent..i am just saying in general you dont have to have talent to dominate the HW division



i agree with you to some extent. it does seem like the lighter weight division guys have better skills.

If you think he holds no fear, then why has he not fought anyone legitimate in the heavyweight division? Before he injured his achilles, he was supposed to fight Mccline, but when he returned from injury he did not fight Mccline, he fought an out of shape drug dealer in Rydell Booker, if he had no fear he should have gone after Mccline again.

I don't blame Toney for fighting Rydell Booker, he made a wise move in my opinion. Going straight into a fight with McCline after having a semi long layoff through injury would be silly, the Booker fight was a safe test to make sure he was 100% fine after the injury. I expect to see Toney fighting a big name in his next fight.

if toney can get under vitali's jab, he will school klitchko. the difference in class and skill is so wide if they were the same size it would be a mis-match. toney needs a couple of injury free years to clean up the mess that is the heavyweight division.

I think Toney is the guy with the most potential in the heavyweight division. But we need to see a big punch land on his jaw a few times to check he's got the big chin. If his chin is as solid as Holyfields, Foremans or Mercers then he'll probably become the champ for a while.

I think Toney is the guy with the most potential in the heavyweight division. But we need to see a big punch land on his jaw a few times to check he's got the big chin. If his chin is as solid as Holyfields, Foremans or Mercers then he'll probably become the champ for a while.

Toney has been shaken up by Cruiserweight fighters so i don't doubt a heavyweight could hurt him. His slickness helps him avoid big hits. I think he'll take the power well purely because of his heart and courage and most of all "No Fear".

Toney has been shaken up by Cruiserweight fighters so i don't doubt a heavyweight could hurt him. His slickness helps him avoid big hits. I think he'll take the power well purely because of his heart and courage and most of all "No Fear".
You're probably right but I think Toney needs to turn his talk into action. Brooker as an opponent was hardly a massive test.

wez, when you say cruiserweight fighters, do you mean jirov? cos while he threw alot of punches i can't remember him hurting toney. i'll have to watch that fight again, i love it. i knew toney would beat him from the moment it was signed.

You're probably right but I think Toney needs to turn his talk into action. Brooker as an opponent was hardly a massive test.

Too true Foremanfan, he has talked alot so now we do need to see action or he'll just make himself look like a big bag of ****.

Cmason The fight i was refering to was the Jason Robinson fight, he got tagged with a beautiful hit that sent him to the ropes but he regained himself and KO'd him the same round. I got the fight.

ah, i've not seen that one, cheers mate.

I think Toney is in way over his head if he trys to fight V.K., too big too strong for Toney, "stay the hell away from the big freak!!!"

maybe if vitali didnt take advantage of his size toney would have a better chance
but vitali knows how to ise his size advantage

only chance toney would have is on the inside
and vit would have no problem tieing him up
hed keep him on the end of that long jab
and slam his ass with big rights
and lil lefts all nite

it will be interesting to see toney use his defensive skills against someone so gigantic

H'es not on steroids. He hasn't been under 190 in at least seven years. He was nearly three hundred not more than three years ago. Also, he's not ****-diesel, the man's still got some gut on him.


No disrespect intended but you must not know too many people on roids, because having a gut is quite common if you are on roids unless you are bodybuilding or trying to be cut. If you look at bodybuilders in the off season when they bulk up, they even have a little gut going on. I just base my opinion on the amount of mass gained to his chest and arms in such a short period of time. He may be clean but I am just curious after seeing how much muscle he gained in such a little time.

No disrespect intended but you must not know too many people on roids, because having a gut is quite common if you are on roids unless you are bodybuilding or trying to be cut. If you look at bodybuilders in the off season when they bulk up, they even have a little gut going on. I just base my opinion on the amount of mass gained to his chest and arms in such a short period of time. He may be clean but I am just curious after seeing how much muscle he gained in such a little time.



i hope hes not on roids but i can see what youre saying about someone bulking up like that

u'd be wise to rememeber one thing about James Toney, when he was a middleweight ( 160 ), in between fights he would balloon up 195 lbs (YES< I SAID 195 LBS), when he moved up to light hw he was up well over 200 in between fights and if he lays off training all togehter he's been up north of 275. Toney is a naturally fat guy, gaining weight has never been his problem, and he doesn't look **** diesel now, he looks more like a powerlifter or one of those world's strongest man guys who have a good mix of muscle and fat. It's just that he looks more muscular lately THAN WE'VE GOT USED TO SEEING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DEHYDRATE HIMSELF TO MAKE WEIGHT ANYMORE

Just to let you know. When you don't dehydrate yourself, you don't look more muscular. You look fat. Bodybuilders dehydrate themselves before contests to look more muscular and cut. When James blew up he looked fat. Now he looks muscular even though he does not have to dehydrate himself as you correctly point out. All I am saying is that it is very odd that he went to heavy and he suddenly has a huge chest and is cut up more than he has been since his middle weight days. To me he even looks better now than he did for the Jirov fight(gut wise). I am not saying my word is bond on this one but it is just a little odd to see someone get that much muscle, that fast. Who know's. Maybe he's just on creatine and ripped fuel. Nonetheless I still don't think he beats Vitali, but he does have a good shot against most everyone else. He really needs to fight Byrd to put us out of our misery of the pitty-pat punch.

ah, i've not seen that one, cheers mate.

It was a good fight, Toney finished it with a vicious hook. I literally cracked on Robinsons jaw. The punch Robinson hits Toney with send him stumbling into the ropes but he comes back from it well and doesn't retreat once. He has definatly got a good chin in my opinion, seeing how his chin copes with a heavier punch will be interesting. Vitali isn't quick enough to catch Toney flush in my opinion, he would have to be patient as Toney is one hell of a smart fighter.

Too true Foremanfan, he has talked alot so now we do need to see action or he'll just make himself look like a big bag of ****.


Yeah well I can take only so much of Toney's bad mouthing before it's no longer good fun to listen to as with Mike Tyson I got to the point that I wanted him to prove he was still the baddest man on the planet instead of just acting it. I had a feeling Tyson had lost it but have a hunch that Toney may well be able to back up some of his ramblings.

Yeah well I can take only so much of Toney's bad mouthing before it's no longer good fun to listen to as with Mike Tyson I got to the point that I wanted him to prove he was still the baddest man on the planet instead of just acting it. I had a feeling Tyson had lost it but have a hunch that Toney may well be able to back up some of his ramblings.

Yeah maybe Toney can, he would look a stupid fool if he gets his butt kicked by certain people as he has bad mouthed them all calling them garbage. Mike lost his intimidating aura, nobody has been as scared of him in the ring over the last few years. Before Douglas beat him he used to scare people at the fought of fighting him but after that he seemed to lose alot of that aura in my opinion.

Yeah maybe Toney can, he would look a stupid fool if he gets his butt kicked by certain people as he has bad mouthed them all calling them garbage. Mike lost his intimidating aura, nobody has been as scared of him in the ring over the last few years. Before Douglas beat him he used to scare people at the fought of fighting him but after that he seemed to lose alot of that aura in my opinion.




yes toney better back up his mouth now. he has been talking about john ruiz lately calling john ruiz "a little *****" and "a piece of garbage". nothing wrong with talking smack but you better be able to back it up or you end up emabarrassing yourself.

When that fat **** Toney comes back, I want him to fight a legit heavyweight. If he fights another Rydell Booker he can go **** himself and drop dead!! It's time to step up fatboy and show the world you have what it takes to make it with the big boys!!

Well said...........Couldn't agree more with you!

No it's not size it's skill that will affect the fight. If Toney really trains hard for this fight he could easily win or he can lose. Styles make fights.

KO inside 4, for Vitali. Just too strong, and JT does take punches.

JT Vs Byrd is the one.

I think JT would have a good chance of winning this fight.

JT is about the same height as Marciano, maybe an inch shorter, and I know he is quite a bit heavier than the rock, but he really doesn't punch all that well for a 220 or 230 lb. fighter. I can't see him having enough power to hurt VK to the body, hell, I can't even see him getting inside very much against VK. At first he might be fast enough to get inside, but as he slowed, and started to really take punches on the side and on top of the head, it would start to look ugly, and they might stop it.

Toney is old school and would have been a world class fighter in any era, kind of like Archie Moore or a Doug Jones, but he is way too small for Klitschko's reach. Vitali would pop him with that long right hand and BOOM, the lights would go.

Toney is old school and would have been a world class fighter in any era, kind of like Archie Moore or a Doug Jones, but he is way too small for Klitschko's reach. Vitali would pop him with that long right hand and BOOM, the lights would go.



it surely will be a test for his chin

no vitali is not to obig for toney...toney will just stay close to vitali

Cmason The fight i was refering to was the Jason Robinson fight, he got tagged with a beautiful hit that sent him to the ropes but he regained himself and KO'd him the same round. I got the fight.
Oh man, Wez. Good memory. I have the Robinson fight on tape and had almost forgotten that. I just went back and watched it, though, and I don't think that he was really hurt. Knocked badly off-balance, but not hurt. Actually, in some ways it reminded me of the RJ knockdown. Minus the knockdown of course. But you know what I'm saying, he took a bunch of steps back to regain his balance.

JT is about the same height as Marciano, maybe an inch shorter, and I know he is quite a bit heavier than the rock, but he really doesn't punch all that well for a 220 or 230 lb. fighter. I can't see him having enough power to hurt VK to the body, hell, I can't even see him getting inside very much against VK. At first he might be fast enough to get inside, but as he slowed, and started to really take punches on the side and on top of the head, it would start to look ugly, and they might stop it.
I disagree. Strenuously. Toney is not a one-punch artist, but he hits hard. Watch the Jirov fight, man. Jirov is continually rocked by heavy, heavy shots and when Toney goes after his man in offensive mode, he's amazing. He just doesn't push that hard. If he had pushed harder, he prolly could have taken Jirov out, but may have burned out himself. The risk just isn't worth the kayo to him. Still, he hits hard as ****, and don't think otherwise.

Anyone think that James Toney would sign on to fight Samuel Peter being that Peter has been calling him out recently?

Anyone think that James Toney would sign on to fight Samuel Peter being that Peter has been calling him out recently?




peter would be a good warm up to get ready for vitali

yeh i think so

If toney could consistently get on the inside he has a shot.

If VK can keep him outside, at the end of his left jab...it's gonna be a short night I believe. Just one or a couple of rights will be enough to take the lights out of JT. However, if JT can keep himself close to VK, he can systematically cut him down to size.

If VK can keep him outside, at the end of his left jab...it's gonna be a short night I believe. Just one or a couple of rights will be enough to take the lights out of JT. However, if JT can keep himself close to VK, he can systematically cut him down to size.



yes I can see it going either way like that. it will also depend if toney can take a shot to the chin from a man that big.

If VK can keep him outside, at the end of his left jab...it's gonna be a short night I believe. Just one or a couple of rights will be enough to take the lights out of JT. However, if JT can keep himself close to VK, he can systematically cut him down to size.

JT does not really have a history of being knocked out so easily

yes I can see it going either way like that. it will also depend if toney can take a shot to the chin from a man that big.


JT will not have the power to KO Vitaliy. He could not even KO some Booker guy.

The only way JT could possibly win is by taking the decision.

JT will not have the power to KO Vitaliy. He could not even KO some Booker guy.

The only way JT could possibly win is by taking the decision.


it certainly appears that way

The question isn't size (and Carnera and Williard were slightly shorter but "bigger" then Vitali) but weight and age. Toney is 36, has had a long career, and isn't a natural HW (at fighting weight). If this was Toney at 30 years old and he weighed 210, he;d destroy Vitali. But he's old and has had a couple of serious injuries so who knows what Toney shows up . . .

I have always felt that no heavyweight today could have given Lennox Lewis the fight that VK did. Toney would have been completely destroyed by Lewis. It's not written in stone, but I think this has validation that VK just has more clout than Toney and would probably whoop him on par with what he did to Kirk Johnson.

I have always felt that no heavyweight today could have given Lennox Lewis the fight that VK did. Toney would have been completely destroyed by Lewis. It's not written in stone, but I think this has validation that VK just has more clout than Toney and would probably whoop him on par with what he did to Kirk Johnson.



the only thing I question about your statement is the fact that Toney has ten times better defensive skills than johnson

Anyone think that James Toney would sign on to fight Samuel Peter being that Peter has been calling him out recently?For Toney, Peter is a better opponent. Peter is moving on in the rankings with those short night's work he has had recently, and yet, still appears to need some polishing up.

Toney could do the polishing, i.e., mop the canvass with Peter. ;)

Seriously, Toney is much too skilled for the raw Peter; provided, that the James that goes up the ring is the best Toney that can be had at this time. :)

As for VK-Toney, I suggest we watch what goes on this weekend...

For Toney, Peter is a better opponent. Peter is moving on in the rankings with those short night's work he has had recently, and yet, still appears to need some polishing up.

Toney could do the polishing, i.e., mop the canvass with Peter. ;)

Seriously, Toney is much too skilled for the raw Peter; provided, that the James that goes up the ring is the best Toney that can be had at this time. :)

As for VK-Toney, I suggest we watch what goes on this weekend...


yes providing that vk wins, hopefully he will start calling out some names.

yes providing that vk wins, hopefully he will start calling out some names.
The only names in the divison right now are VK, Byrd, and Toney. And I honestly see Byrd getting the chance before Toney, given the fact that Byrd "won" their last fight against each other and he is the IBF champion.

The only names in the divison right now are VK, Byrd, and Toney. And I honestly see Byrd getting the chance before Toney, given the fact that Byrd "won" their last fight against each other and he is the IBF champion.



yes you are right- the belts are the key. VK is after all the belts so yes Byrd will probably get a shot before Toney does. If toney really wants this fight he should start harrassing VK like the way Tarver did to Jones, show up at his press conferences and mouthing off to him. I could see that happening- Toney mouthing off and disrespecting VK so bad that he finally gets a title shot this way. That is if he wants it. Lets not forget Toney is on the injured list right now.

yes providing that vk wins, hopefully he will start calling out some names.He shouldn't be too bashful... ;) :)

lewis shud cme out from retirement and fight vitali, vitali needs to start talkn about lewis being scared

if toney can get inside on vk he has one hell of a shot

lewis shud cme out from retirement and fight vitali, vitali needs to start talkn about lewis being scared After so many years of being champ, Lennox has been called out so many times that VK's call won't be anything new to him.

If he'd listen, I think, he'd ask, "What's in it for me?"

I don't know the answer. :o

After so many years of being champ, Lennox has been called out so many times that VK's call won't be anything new to him.

If he'd listen, I think, he'd ask, "What's in it for me?"

I don't know the answer. :o



I'm not quite sure if lennox is serious about coming back.

I'm not quite sure if lennox is serious about coming back.Neither am I, buddy. :o What's in it for him?

Neither am I, buddy. :o What's in it for him?




i guess money, but he is already a multi-millionaire so thats not even a motivation.

if toney can get inside on vk he has one hell of a shot


that's the BIG IF. the way i see it, if Lights Out can crouch under Big K's jab the way Carmen Basilio used to do to taller fighters ( i've seen a pic of him ducking under Sugar ray Robinson's jab ), then he can get inside and pound Vitali's body.

that's the BIG IF. the way i see it, if Lights Out can crouch under Big K's jab the way Carmen Basilio used to do to taller fighters ( i've seen a pic of him ducking under Sugar ray Robinson's jab ), then he can get inside and pound Vitali's body.


you can also penetrate a fighter's defense by utilising a jab of your own.