Tsyzu certainly had an impressive win against Mitchell. With this impressive win where do YOU think Tszyu belongs in the P4P rankings? Your thoughts.

i like Tszyu, but he won't get a place in boxing history unless he beats Cory Spinks and is undisputed at 140 and 147

I used to like tszyu before he started crying cus he kept getting hurt and some of the organizations took his belts for inactivity.

I think his last real impressive win was against Judah though. I dont think he will make it far in history unless he does something much more incredible.

I used to like tszyu before he started crying cus he kept getting hurt and some of the organizations took his belts for inactivity.

I think his last real impressive win was against Judah though. I dont think he will make it far in history unless he does something much more incredible.


I am interested in seeing what his next move is.

No Doubt he is top ten!

He's around #5...6....7 for me. Would be higher if he were more active. He could very well be #1 by end of 2005. I think we could see loses by Hopkins and Mayweather this year.

No Doubt he is top ten!




where do you palce him in the top ten, just curious.

Tszyu Kayoed Judah and Mitchell in three rounds or less.He definetly should be in the top5 p4p IMO.

Tszyu is 3rd in my pound 4 pound list.

1.Hopkin
2.Wright
3.Tszyu
4.Pacman
5.Spinks* :eek: Thats right over the inactive and Protected PBF

I say a 7 or 8 out of 10, if he had just a lillte bit more hand speed he would be great IMO,he is good now but still has 2-3 more points on my list to move up to a 10

I say a 7 or 8 out of 10, if he had just a lillte bit more hand speed he would be great IMO,he is good now but still has 2-3 more points on my list to move up to a 10



Hopefully Tsyzu fights more this year. It was too bad he got injured. In my humble opinion I would rather see him stay at 140 then go up to 147 which I heard he might be planning to do.

I think he right behind Nard at #2.

i like Tszyu, but he won't get a place in boxing history unless he beats Cory Spinks and is undisputed at 140 and 147

I dont think Tszyu needs to Spinks to gain a place in history, other than being the world champion his fighting record isnt brilliant, sure its good but the best on there are Judah, who Tszyu KO'd early and a cigar smoking, Alcoholic would probably spent the build up to the fight with the wrong type of pro's(whores).

IMO Spinks with help Tszyu gain a place in History but thats mainly because it would make Tszyu a two weight champion.

1.Hopkin
2.Wright
3.Tszyu
4.Pacman
5.Spinks* :eek: Thats right over the inactive and Protected PBF
you are a funny dude if you put Zoo over Floyd. His resume isnt better then Floyd's, he's not undefeated and he get's too much credit for beating Mitchell and Judah. Name one good fighter Mitchell has beat. Name one good fighter Judah beat. So how can they be big wins. Everyone was sweating Mitchell, and for what? For beating Tackie after Zoo, for beating a old Phillips, and for almost losing to a journeyman like N'Dou. Who has Zoo ever beat and he was KO by Phillips. He hasnt beat anyone except for two overated fighters who havent beat anyone, and a old Chaves, and a old Mayweather, and he hasnt moved up in weight when their were big fights with Oscar, Shane, and Forrest.

Tsyzu certainly had an impressive win against Mitchell. With this impressive win where do YOU think Tszyu belongs in the P4P rankings? Your thoughts.


with Morales losing Tszyu moves up to #3

№ 3
After Hop and Wright.

No doubt he is in the top ten

Tszyu should be in the top 10 p4p but not sure where. His layoff keeps him out of the top 5 surely.

Do any of you care about what I said or are you just so far stuck on Zoo he can do anything. Look, I like Zoo and he's in my top 5 but whoever has him at #2 or over Floyd is crazy.

№ 3
After Hop and Wright.
Who has Wright ever beat besides Shane who everyone can see has no business at 154, and he has been on the slide for a long time. That's not a impressive win anymore. Atleast not at 154. Theres no way you can put him over Floyd. Check their resume's and you tell me out of Wright, Zoo, and Mayweather who has faught the better opponents, who has gone undefeated, who has moved up in weight.

i think hop will own the MW divison always so forget that..but i think KT will get up to 2 for sure...i dont think anyone can take him right now..if he fights DLH at 147 and wins...holy crap...that would push him to number 1...and i dont like how many ppl dont give him a chance against dlh....his power abd ability give him a great chance

i think hop will own the MW divison always so forget that..but i think KT will get up to 2 for sure...i dont think anyone can take him right now..if he fights DLH at 147 and wins...holy crap...that would push him to number 1...and i dont like how many ppl dont give him a chance against dlh....his power abd ability give him a great chance
Name one fighter he has beaten who has beaten someone else

i think hop will own the MW divison always so forget that..but i think KT will get up to 2 for sure...i dont think anyone can take him right now..if he fights DLH at 147 and wins...holy crap...that would push him to number 1...and i dont like how many ppl dont give him a chance against dlh....his power abd ability give him a great chance


he definitely has a chance against oscar no doubt

DLT-what do u mean name somone he has beat wo has beat someone else...are u talking about kt...???dude has dominated his division and ko'ed the **** out of a suppose stronger and faster figher in zan judah

is that what u ment?

DLT-what do u mean name somone he has beat wo has beat someone else...are u talking about kt...???dude has dominated his division and ko'ed the **** out of a suppose stronger and faster figher in zan judah

is that what u ment?
read post #15. I'm not a Zoo hater. I like him alot,but sometimes it just seems like people boost him up and hates on Floyd when I think Floyd has done more

you are a funny dude if you put Zoo over Floyd. His resume isnt better then Floyd's, he's not undefeated and he get's too much credit for beating Mitchell and Judah. Name one good fighter Mitchell has beat. Name one good fighter Judah beat. So how can they be big wins. Everyone was sweating Mitchell, and for what? For beating Tackie after Zoo, for beating a old Phillips, and for almost losing to a journeyman like N'Dou. Who has Zoo ever beat and he was KO by Phillips. He hasnt beat anyone except for two overated fighters who havent beat anyone, and a old Chaves, and a old Mayweather, and he hasnt moved up in weight when their were big fights with Oscar, Shane, and Forrest.


We're not talking about who's the best fighter p4p of All-Time,we're talking about who's the best p4p fighter right now! What has Mayweather done in the Last two years since beating Corrales and Castillo?Exactly!All he's been doing is showing up press Conferences running his big mouth.Two years ago Mayweather was a top5 p4p fighter but right now,he's not.

We're not talking about who's the best fighter p4p of All-Time,we're talking about who's the best p4p fighter right now! What has Mayweather done in the Last two years since beating Corrales and Castillo?Exactly!All he's been doing is showing up press Conferences running his big mouth.Two years ago Mayweather was a top5 p4p fighter but right now,he's not.
What are you talking about. Corley, N'Dou, and Sosa arent world class but they are solid. What has Zoo done in the last 2 years besides be inactive. You think he can just come back after 2 years and beat a overated Mitchell(you saw how I broke down Mitchell's resume plus he was KO by Stevie and Levander Johnson) and be ranked ahead of Floyd.

MAYWEATHERS OPPONENTS THE LAST 2yrs:

Ndou a no name unproven fighter
Sosa Boring fight and Sosa actually looked decent against PBF.Less than a yr later,Cotto Kayoed Sosa with ease.
Corley Hand Picked!Mayweather watched his boy Zab pick apart Corley from ringside 10months earlier.

Tszyus OPPONENT THE LAST 2yrs

Sharmba Mitchell a respectable top notch 140pound fighter.

*Sure Tszyu's had a long layoff due to injury but look who he fought and Kayoed right off the bat...A KNOWN TOP5 140pound fighter

Kosta definitely in my list! hes unreal.

MAYWEATHERS OPPONENTS THE LAST 2yrs:

Ndou a no name unproven fighter
Sosa Boring fight and Sosa actually looked decent against PBF.Less than a yr later,Cotto Kayoed Sosa with ease.
Corley Hand Picked!Mayweather watched his boy Zab pick apart Corley from ringside 10months earlier.

Tszyus OPPONENT THE LAST 2yrs

Sharmba Mitchell a respectable top notch 140pound fighter.

*Sure Tszyu's had a long layoff due to injury but look who he fought and Kayoed right off the bat...A KNOWN TOP5 140pound fighter
I dont know where you have been lately, but I have made alot of post on this subject and after reading it most people agreed with me. You keep trying to boost Mitchell up but you still havent named one good fighter he has beaten. Dont act like Floyd hasnt tried for big fights. He didnt even want to fight Chop. He was going to jump straight from 135 to 154 to fight Oscar but DeLahoya wouldnt fight him because of his dad. Gatti and Hatton turned him down. Gatti is still ****in around. Who else can Floyd fight right now. Name one good fighter that he can fight. The only good person he can fight is Harris and if he does that then he loses his #1 ranking in the WBC for a big money PPV fight with Gatti and trust me if Gatti doesnt have to fight him then he wont

What are you talking about. Corley, N'Dou, and Sosa arent world class but they are solid. What has Zoo done in the last 2 years besides be inactive. You think he can just come back after 2 years and beat a overated Mitchell(you saw how I broke down Mitchell's resume plus he was KO by Stevie and Levander Johnson) and be ranked ahead of Floyd.


Your point is?Sharmba Mitchell last lost in 1994 before losing to Tszyu in 2001.


Ndou - got Kayoed by a no named fighter in 1998
Sosa - lost a UD to Spadafora in 2000
Corley - Got schooled by Zab Judah in 2003


hahaha!

I dont know where you have been lately, but I have made alot of post on this subject and after reading it most people agreed with me. You keep trying to boost Mitchell up but you still havent named one good fighter he has beaten. Dont act like Floyd hasnt tried for big fights. He didnt even want to fight Chop. He was going to jump straight from 135 to 154 to fight Oscar but DeLahoya wouldnt fight him because of his dad. Gatti and Hatton turned him down. Gatti is still ****in around. Who else can Floyd fight right now. Name one good fighter that he can fight. The only good person he can fight is Harris and if he does that then he loses his #1 ranking in the WBC for a big money PPV fight with Gatti and trust me if Gatti doesnt have to fight him then he wont


Until he fights and beats one of the known top guys at 140-147,he is not a top5 p4p fighter.Mayweather is a good fighter but I think he gets too much credit because of his Undefeated record and HBO contract.He had the nerve to trash a fighter like Spinks when Spinks is the one beating Mayorga and Judah the last 2yrs while he's doing nothing but running his trap.

Until he fights and beats one of the known top guys at 140-147,he is not a top5 p4p fighter.Mayweather is a good fighter but I think he gets too much credit because of his Undefeated record and HBO contract.He had the nerve to trash a fighter like Spinks when Spinks is the one beating Mayorga and Judah the last 2yrs while he's running his trap.
Your talking stupid. Floyd has never been at 147 and just got to 140. You act like Floyd has been there for years. He's suppose to clean out 140 and 147 in two fights when Zoo has been there for years. You act like Floyd just started fighting. I want you to go check their opponents and you tell me who has faught the better people. Sure, Zoo cleaned the division out but the division is totaly different now. It is much better then it was. He hasnt beat Floyd, Cotto, Harris, Gatti, or Hatton.

Your talking stupid. Floyd has never been at 147 and just got to 140. You act like Floyd has been there for years. He's suppose to clean out 140 and 147 in two fights when Zoo has been there for years. You act like Floyd just started fighting. I want you to go check their opponents and you tell me who has faught the better people. Sure, Zoo cleaned the division out but the division is totaly different now. It is much better then it was. He hasnt beat Floyd, Cotto, Harris, Gatti, or Hatton.


:confused:

Again,i'm not talking best p4p of All-Time.I'm talking about best p4p right now.

BTW,who's Bruseles?LMFAO! PBF seems to be looking for the opponent that he'l look good against leading up to a big fight, while Tszyu is welcoming all the big fight offers that come his way right now with no tune-up needed.

BTW,who's Bruseles?LMFAO! PBF seems to be looking for the opponent that he'l look good against leading up to a big fight, while Tszyu is welcoming all the big fight offers that come his way right now with no tune-up needed.
I asked you to name someone else for Floyd to fight. Zoo is welcoming all the big fights? I'm still waiting for him to have one. Floyd has the better resume, is undefeated, is in his third weight class and all this while he is much younger then Zoo. I respect you being a Zoo fan but dont just try to dismiss what I am saying for the sake of dismissing it. Floyd is always held to a hire standard. He faught Corley, N'Dou, Sosa, Castillo twice, Jesus Chaves, Carlos Hernandez, Chico, a prime Manfredy, Jukko, Carlos Rios, Emanuel Augustus, Goya Vargas, and won the title from the legendary Genaro Hernandez at the age of 21, but he hasnt done anything. How many bums did Jones, Hopkins, Spinks, Wright, and Zoo fight. Zoo isnt having a tune up because he is older. He doesnt have time for a tune up. Imagine how many big fights Floyd will have by time he is Zoo's age. It wont even be close.

I asked you to name someone else for Floyd to fight. Zoo is welcoming all the big fights? I'm still waiting for him to have one. Floyd has the better resume, is undefeated, is in his third weight class and all this while he is much younger then Zoo. I respect you being a Zoo fan but dont just try to dismiss what I am saying for the sake of dismissing it. Floyd is always held to a hire standard. He faught Corley, N'Dou, Sosa, Castillo twice, Jesus Chaves, Carlos Hernandez, Chico, a prime Manfredy, Jukko, Carlos Rios, Emanuel Augustus, Goya Vargas, and won the title from the legendary Genaro Hernandez at the age of 21, but he hasnt done anything. How many bums did Jones, Hopkins, Spinks, Wright, and Zoo fight. Zoo isnt having a tune up because he is older. He doesnt have time for a tune up. Imagine how many big fights Floyd will have by time he is Zoo's age. It wont even be close.


How do you know Floyd will be as successful or even be around when he gets to Tszyu age?When he gets to Tszyu age,he'l slow down and get KTFO like the guy in my middle GIF of my Signature.

How do you know Floyd will be as successful or even be around when he gets to Tszyu age?When he gets to Tszyu age,he'l slow down and get KTFO like the middle GIF in my Signature.
That might be true but the only reason it could happened is because Floyd wouldve faught the big fight, something Zoo didnt do. It will also be because Floyd will be in his third or Fourth weight class, something Zoo didnt do. How do you know if Zoo wouldnt have gotten KTFO if he had tried to move up. He's good when he's stronger than everyone else but why wont he move up and fight the bigger guys. Your always asking about Floyd but Floyd started at 130. Why didnt Zoo fight Spinks, Mayorga, Forrest, Shane, or Oscar. You were talking about Floyd being scared of Spinks but Floyd started at 130 and has had only one fight at 140 and Zoo has been there his whole carrer. I can see your not going to back down no matter how much evidence I give you so you can just have this one because it's obvious that you hate Mayweather

That might be true but the only reason it could happened is because Floyd wouldve faught the big fight, something Zoo didnt do. It will also be because Floyd will be in his third or Fourth weight class, something Zoo didnt do. How do you know if Zoo wouldnt have gotten KTFO if he had tried to move up. He's good when he's stronger than everyone else but why wont he move up and fight the bigger guys. Your always asking about Floyd but Floyd started at 130. Why didnt Zoo fight Spinks, Mayorga, Forrest, Shane, or Oscar. You were talking about Floyd being scared of Spinks but Floyd started at 130 and has had only one fight at 140 and Zoo has been there his whole carrer. I can see your not going to back down no matter how much evidence I give you so you can just have this one because it's obvious that you hate Mayweather

Seriously though,do you think the best p4p list is for the fighters that have more success moving up in weight?It sounds like it..Does Bernard Hopkins ring a bell.When has he moved up in weight in the last 10yrs?Moving up in weight isn't necessarily the best thing to do.Mosley for example could have stayed at 135 and dominate that division for years to come but decided to move up in weight for the bigger pay day.Now look at his record since moving up to 147-154,he has 4losses against bigger fighters in Forrest and Wright.Mayweather looks to be on that same path.

In my opinion,Mosley would have still been a dominant Champion at Lightweight if he stayed at that weightclass.Look how well it worked out for B-Hop and Zoo.

I never said Mayweather was scared of Spinks.I said,why is Mayweather talking trash to Spinks when Spinks is the one beating the big named fighters like Mayorga/Judah while Mayweather runs his trap and fights nobody.Look who Spinks beat the last two years and look who Mayweathers beat the last two years.This has nothing to do with them fighting each other BTW

Tszyu is back in my P4P-rankings :) . Great performance against Mitchell!!!

1. Hpokins
2. Mayweather Jr.
3. Wright
4. Tszyu
5. Juan Manuel Marquez

Seriously though,do you think the best p4p list is for the fighters that have more success moving up in weight?It sounds like it..Does Bernard Hopkins ring a bell.When has he moved up in weight in the last 10yrs?Moving up in weight isn't necessarily the best thing to do.Mosley for example could have stayed at 135 and dominate that division for years to come but decided to move up in weight for the bigger pay day.Now look at his record since moving up to 147-154,he has 4losses against bigger fighters in Forrest and Wright.Mayweather looks to be on that same path.

In my opinion,Mosley would have still been a dominant Champion at Lightweight if he stayed at that weightclass.Look how well it worked out for B-Hop and Zoo.
I definately dont think that you have to move up, but I do think that you should be rewarded for doing so. I have said the same things about Hopkins in other threads that I have said about Zoo in this one. Hopkins has faught so many bums his whole carrer and now stay's their and weights for smaller guys like Tito who only had one fight at Middelweight and Oscar who had really already lost his last two fights to Mosely and his Middelweight debut to Sturm. What if Floyd had stayed at 130. He could have the best resume in history. Who wouldve beaten him? He couldve faught Morales, Barrera, Pac Man, and Marquez. He wouldve been bigger, stronger, and faster then all those guys, but he wanted the tougher fights. Do you ever look at it that way. Hopkins might have got KO if he moved up to 168 or 175. What you said about Mosely is true but that makes my point even more greater. Floyd is taking all the risk by moving up twice and soon to be 3 times while Zoo and Hopkins are not. I dont think you have to move up but I think you should if you have inferior competition in your division, and thats what Hopkins had a garbage division and Zoo's division wasnt nothing compared to what it is now and nothing compared to the talent their was above him at 147 or 154

I definately dont think that you have to move up, but I do think that you should be rewarded for doing so. I have said the same things about Hopkins in other threads that I have said about Zoo in this one. Hopkins has faught so many bums his whole carrer and now stay's their and weights for smaller guys like Tito who only had one fight at Middelweight and Oscar who had really already lost his last two fights to Mosely and his Middelweight debut to Sturm. What if Floyd had stayed at 130. He could have the best resume in history. Who wouldve beaten him? He couldve faught Morales, Barrera, Pac Man, and Marquez. He wouldve been bigger, stronger, and faster then all those guys, but he wanted the tougher fights. Do you ever look at it that way. Hopkins might have got KO if he moved up to 168 or 175. What you said about Mosely is true but that makes my point even more greater. Floyd is taking all the risk by moving up twice and soon to be 3 times while Zoo and Hopkins are not. I dont think you have to move up but I think you should if you have inferior competition in your division, and thats what Hopkins had a garbage division and Zoo's division wasnt nothing compared to what it is now and nothing compared to the talent their was above him at 147 or 154


He's fought one top notch champion and barely won against Castillo,thats it!Three fights in 2yrs against crappy opposition.When Mosely went up in weight,he fought Oscar De La Hoya.When Mayweather moved up in weight,you would think he would be fighting better quality in opposition by now but he has not.

I really dont blame Tszyu for staying at 140 because he's only 5'7 and jumping from 140 to 147 is a big step which would mean he would be fighting out of his natural weight class and against stronger fighters with big height and reach advantages.Mayweather is 5'8 so I dont find anything special about him moving up to his 3rd weight class from 130 to 140 because 5'8 is the average height for a Jr.Welter.

i wouldnt have a problem putting tszyu in the top 5 in my humble opinion

DLT, u say that Tsyzu should of moved up and fight spinks at 147 ages ago.
Tsyzu tried to get a fight with Spinks 2 years ago, but something happen and the fight didnt go on.

And let not get into the Vince Phillips fight. Tszyu was a sick man who had a $7 million lawsuit on the back of his mine going into the Vince Phillips fight.

Well its obvious who I like... :D

But DLT you should stop owning on Tsyzu just becuase he was inactive. He was pretty majorly injured, he didnt just sit in a corner scared of fighting people. Would you rather keep fighting and **** your body up or let your belts go that you worked so hard to get so that you can still come back another day? I think the true warrior would swallow his pride and take a layoff to become 100% again.

Who could Mayweather fight? He could fight Tszyu thats who! Hehe. I wish these already rich boxers would put their money aside for a second and give us a fight the world wants to see.

Hopefully Tszyu stays active next year

What are you guys talking about? Did you even read the post where I said that Zoo is in my top 5? I'm basicly just talking to JPboxer who is always trying to call Floyd scared and overated and dosent deserve to be in the top 5 and overprotected. I just said how can you say that when he has one of the best resume's out there including Zoo, and he's in his third weight class. Floyd has a better resume then Zoo and is in his third weight class, if JPboxer calls him over proteced then what would you call Zoo. I have no problem with what any of you are saying, just him because if Floyd did the exact same thing as another fighter he would say that fighter is great, and then he would say see I told Floyd is garbage

Well its obvious who I like... :D

But DLT you should stop owning on Tsyzu just becuase he was inactive. He was pretty majorly injured, he didnt just sit in a corner scared of fighting people. Would you rather keep fighting and **** your body up or let your belts go that you worked so hard to get so that you can still come back another day? I think the true warrior would swallow his pride and take a layoff to become 100% again.

Who could Mayweather fight? He could fight Tszyu thats who! Hehe. I wish these already rich boxers would put their money aside for a second and give us a fight the world wants to see.
Why would he fight Zoo now for a few mil. when he can fight him after a big PPV fight with Gatti and make double the money then he would make fighting him before Gatti.

Tszyu is a very accurate power puncher.....