Joe Calzaghe would KNOCK OUT Bernard Hopkins as easy as asking for a cuppa tea!

I would love to see these guys together in the ring!...

Bernard thinks he's a hard man?... He ain't seen nothing YET!

It's very easy for Bernard when he's fighting welterweights and lightweights... But imagine the damage he'd suffer steping up 8lbs ...LOL!...

WHY DOES BERNARD DUCK CALZAGHE?... Bernard got offerend $6 million dollars to fight Joe in Las Vegas but turned it down to fight Carl Daniels, Morrade Hakkar, and William "shot to pieces" Joppy... for a total of 3X fights = $4 million dollars in the meantime.

I know that it's asking Bernard to step up in weight... Which he doesn't HAVE to do... But ALL the greats have done it!

laughing out loud

Joe Calzaghe would KNOCK OUT Bernard Hopkins as easy as asking for a cuppa tea!

I would love to see these guys together in the ring!...

Bernard thinks he's a hard man?... He ain't seen nothing YET!

It's very easy for Bernard when he's fighting welterweights and lightweights... But imagine the damage he'd suffer steping up 8lbs ...LOL!...

WHY DOES BERNARD DUCK CALZAGHE?... Bernard got offerend $6 million dollars to fight Joe in Las Vegas but turned it down to fight Carl Daniels, Morrade Hakkar, and William "shot to pieces" Joppy... for a total of 3X fights = $4 million dollars in the meantime.

I know that it's asking Bernard to step up in weight... Which he doesn't HAVE to do... But ALL the greats have done it!


hater......

truth... not hater...

Stop being such a Cal***gie fanboy. B-Hop would dominate Cal***gie with his superior skills. He's going to take out Taylor, too, maybe then all you people will shut up about how he only takes easy fights.

I think you're all really just upset that he beat your boy Eastman.

Whatever... Why did he turn down the Calzaghe fight then?... To 3X fight for less the money?...

Something fishy about that...

We need a special education forum here like they over at GlobalMMA

Joe Calzaghe would KNOCK OUT Bernard Hopkins as easy as asking for a cuppa tea!

I would love to see these guys together in the ring!...

Bernard thinks he's a hard man?... He ain't seen nothing YET!

It's very easy for Bernard when he's fighting welterweights and lightweights... But imagine the damage he'd suffer steping up 8lbs ...LOL!...

WHY DOES BERNARD DUCK CALZAGHE?... Bernard got offerend $6 million dollars to fight Joe in Las Vegas but turned it down to fight Carl Daniels, Morrade Hakkar, and William "shot to pieces" Joppy... for a total of 3X fights = $4 million dollars in the meantime.

I know that it's asking Bernard to step up in weight... Which he doesn't HAVE to do... But ALL the greats have done it!

Be prepared to get trashed on htis one but I agree with almost everything you say!!!!

All great fighters just about at one time step up and take fights with bigger guys...Look at Oscar and Tito...Nards two biggest wins by a ****ing landslide.


Currently Nard has been fighting guys who let him off the hook, who respect him way too much...as it stands now NArd only needs to land a couple punches a round and he wins the round...

The day Nard fights someone who will throw 50,60,70 punches a round is the day that he will grow old in the ring...fighters who want to play chess with Nard will lose and a guy like Calzaghe will bum rush BErnard and put him in a fuight that he has not been in in many many years...

Calzaghe is taylor made to beat NArd...he is much much bigger, he hits hard and he has quicker hands...NArd would not be able to hurt Joe and
I believe outhustling Joe at this stage in his career is not that lkely...good post even though you will get hammered for it.

We need a special education forum here like they over at GlobalMMA
I really don't wanna say this... "But you're an American... And from what I've seen, most Americans know nothing about things outside America".

If you guys had half a clue... You'd have known that Hatton was gonna walk through Kostya Tszyu, but instead you make "wild guesses" on fighters you've never seen fight?

It's so much easier to predict the right winner when you have a wider aspect of the boxing World. ;)

Joe Calzaghe ****ing sucks.

Who cares, not only does he weigh more than him, hes also much younger and would be fighting a guy basically taking only his final big money fights. Why dont we ask why this ****in dodger keeps ducking and getting "injured" against anyone who might actually stand a chance? Why dont you talk some **** about Cal***** knocking out Lacy? Oh thats right! Its not gonna ****in happen! Sure he calls out Bernard, but then again, who the hell knows if he would actually take the fight in the end, and pull out just in time.

I really don't wanna say this... "But you're an American... And from what I've seen, most Americans know nothing about things outside America".

If you guys had half a clue... You'd have known that Hatton was gonna walk through Kostya Tszyu, but instead you make "wild guesses" on fighters you've never seen fight?

It's so much easier to predict the right winner when you have a wider aspect of the boxing World. ;)
I take offense to that...Youre right...but I still take offense. Since you bring up the Hatton/Tszyu fight, I think its a different outcome in the states....

Who cares, not only does he weigh more than him, hes also much younger and would be fighting a guy basically taking only his final big money fights. Why dont we ask why this ****in dodger keeps ducking and getting "injured" against anyone who might actually stand a chance? Why dont you talk some **** about Cal***** knocking out Lacy? Oh thats right! Its not gonna ****in happen! Sure he calls out Bernard, but then again, who the hell knows if he would actually take the fight in the end, and pull out just in time.
Doesn't Bernard taking $4 million to fight 3X guys when he was offered $6 million to fight one guy sound fishy?... Ohh, I know why he did it.. He was waiting for the De La Hoya to step up in weight.

Still B0LL0X though...

Bernard is the best fighter in the world, a true Middleweight doesnt have to step up in weight classes, just like Marvin Hagler a true middleweight Hopkins is. He is the class of boxing, Joe Calslobby wouldnt have a chance in hell to beat Bernard, slobby is way to slow. Bernerd is a true champ unlike Roy "the fake" Jones Jr

Be prepared to get trashed on htis one but I agree with almost everything you say!!!!

All great fighters just about at one time step up and take fights with bigger guys...Look at Oscar and Tito...Nards two biggest wins by a ****ing landslide.


Currently Nard has been fighting guys who let him off the hook, who respect him way too much...as it stands now NArd only needs to land a couple punches a round and he wins the round...

The day Nard fights someone who will throw 50,60,70 punches a round is the day that he will grow old in the ring...fighters who want to play chess with Nard will lose and a guy like Calzaghe will bum rush BErnard and put him in a fuight that he has not been in in many many years...

Calzaghe is taylor made to beat NArd...he is much much bigger, he hits hard and he has quicker hands...NArd would not be able to hurt Joe and
I believe outhustling Joe at this stage in his career is not that lkely...good post even though you will get hammered for it.
I'm half cut fella... ;)

I really don't wanna say this... "But you're an American... And from what I've seen, most Americans know nothing about things outside America".

If you guys had half a clue... You'd have known that Hatton was gonna walk through Kostya Tszyu, but instead you make "wild guesses" on fighters you've never seen fight?

It's so much easier to predict the right winner when you have a wider aspect of the boxing World. ;)


Americans know boxing, **** what you think about the general public knowledge on the world, that **** doesnt factor in at all. America is the center of the boxing world, without question. And no, you dont need a ****ing "clue" to think that Hatton was gonna walk through Tszyu, if thats the case, why was Tszyu the favorite? Clearly those oddsmakers fall under the analogy that americans dont know anything outside of america.

Give me a ****in break, this is boxing were talking about, not the inner workings of the british parliment. Lots of people saw Hatton and Tszyu fight previously, lots of people thought Tszyu would win, and in my god honest opinon, had there been a different ref and a venue in America, we might have seen a different type of fight. Dont start bringing your ****in homerisms and trying to define it into logic, Hatton won, thats great, but the biggest reason you think that is because hes your hometown favorite, only because he won, you can say "OH I KNEW HE WAS GONNA WIN".

He was unproven, and had a ****ty list of fighters on his resume. Kind of like Calzhage.

Doesn't Bernard taking $4 million to fight 3X guys when he was offered $6 million to fight one guy sound fishy?... Ohh, I know why he did it.. He was waiting for the De La Hoya to step up in weight.

Still B0LL0X though...


Why the **** should he have to move up to 168 to face that guy? What is there to prove fighting Calzhage? He is a ****in nobody here, and thats alot of moving up for a 40something year old man.

Why the **** should he have to move up to 168 to face that guy? What is there to prove fighting Calzhage? He is a ****in nobody here, and thats alot of moving up for a 40something year old man.

He's talking about moving to 175 to fight Tarver so he obviously isn't worried about the weight.

He's talking about moving to 175 to fight Tarver so he obviously isn't worried about the weight.


Tarver has beaten RJJ, and also has now beaten Johnson, so beating Tarver has more benefit than beating Calzhage. Same with his proposition to move up to fight RJJ. Calzhage holds no weight to be calling out anyone until he ****in proves he can stop pulling out against legit challengers.

Americans know boxing, **** what you think about the general public knowledge on the world, that **** doesnt factor in at all. America is the center of the boxing world, without question. And no, you dont need a ****ing "clue" to think that Hatton was gonna walk through Tszyu, if thats the case, why was Tszyu the favorite? Clearly those oddsmakers fall under the analogy that americans dont know anything outside of america.

Give me a ****in break, this is boxing were talking about, not the inner workings of the british parliment. Lots of people saw Hatton and Tszyu fight previously, lots of people thought Tszyu would win, and in my god honest opinon, had there been a different ref and a venue in America, we might have seen a different type of fight. Dont start bringing your ****in homerisms and trying to define it into logic, Hatton won, thats great, but the biggest reason you think that is because hes your hometown favorite, only because he won, you can say "OH I KNEW HE WAS GONNA WIN".

He was unproven, and had a ****ty list of fighters on his resume. Kind of like Calzhage.
I aplogize for my comments... I'm half cut. But I still believe that Calzaghe would HAMMER Hopkins to pieces, as he would Tarver and Johnson at 175lbs Piece of piss... But NO ONE WANTS TO FIGHT HIM BECAUSE HE'S TOO DANGEROUS!

That pisses me off!

I aplogize for my comments... I'm half cut. But I still believe that Calzaghe would HAMMER Hopkins to pieces, as he would Tarver and Johnson at 175lbs Piece of piss... But NO ONE WANTS TO FIGHT HIM BECAUSE HE'S TOO DANGEROUS!

That pisses me off!

if hes so dangerous, why is he always getting "hurt"?

LAA LAA Hopkins... And LAA LAA TARVER!... They're there for the taking, if the had the B0LL0X to fight Calzaghe.. ;)

LAA LAA Hopkins... And LAA LAA TARVER!... They're there for the taking, if the had the B0LL0X to fight Calzaghe.. ;)


Lets wait until Calzhage gets murdered by Lacy before he starts calling out anyone.

Tarver has beaten RJJ, and also has now beaten Johnson, so beating Tarver has more benefit than beating Calzhage. Same with his proposition to move up to fight RJJ. Calzhage holds no weight to be calling out anyone until he ****in proves he can stop pulling out against legit challengers.

JC has beaten something like 5 or 6 legitimate world champs which is a lot more impressive than beating a shot RJJ and someone as limited as Johnson. Calzaghe is without doubt a better fighter than Tarver but there'd be more interest in Hopkins v Tarver in the US.

Talk about Hopkins moving up in weight & challenging fighters like all the greats but what about Calphony? He's content with being a big fish in a small pond feasting on washed up & horribly ranked contenders. Why doesn't Calphony move up in weight & challenge Tarver? Because he wants to fight a smaller man who's aging. Hopkins would still eat Calphony up & make him pay when he starts his wild swinging.

Lets wait until Calzhage gets murdered by Lacy before he starts calling out anyone.
Someone needs to make sure that Calzaghe doesn't bring the Byron Mitchell fight referee with him. Lacy's liable to get "stopped" after knocking him down the first time...

if hes so dangerous, why is he always getting "hurt"?
He's not always getting hurt... That was just a one off....

He's fought everyone that will fight him!

Sven Otkke got ofered more than Bernard did to fight Calzaghe IN GERMANY and it was still turned down.

People dissrespect Calzaghe, but they really don't know what they're dissrespecting!... Calzaghe would steam role through Hopkins and Tarver, Johnson.. It's that he's a "career ending fight" that people don't wanna face him!...

Someone needs to make sure that Calzaghe doesn't bring the Byron Mitchell fight referee with him. Lacy's liable to get "stopped" after knocking him down the first time...
You see Neils... Don't say things like this... Coz' we're all boxing fans, (and "yes" there's a little banter between us) But that comment is B0LL0X...

Hopkins by death.

Call me when Joe beats somebody worth a damn.

He's not always getting hurt... That was just a one off....

He's fought everyone that will fight him!

Sven Otkke got ofered more than Bernard did to fight Calzaghe IN GERMANY and it was still turned down.

People dissrespect Calzaghe, but they really don't know what they're dissrespecting!... Calzaghe would steam role through Hopkins and Tarver, Johnson.. It's that he's a "career ending fight" that people don't wanna face him!...

Calzaghe won't run through Hopkins, Tarver or Johnson. I agree that he would give Hopkins a tough fight but he won't knock Hopkins out. I think Tarver beats him in a pretty good fight and it could go either way with Johnson. I know it seems like Calzaghe is ducking Lacy but if they ever get in the ring Calzaghe would beat Lacy convincingly in my opinion.

JC has beaten something like 5 or 6 legitimate world champs which is a lot more impressive than beating a shot RJJ and someone as limited as Johnson. Calzaghe is without doubt a better fighter than Tarver but there'd be more interest in Hopkins v Tarver in the US.


...Dont even pretend that beating 5 or 6 worthless ****in champs who are nowhere near the p4p list, in your hometown, are worth more than fighting a hall of fame shot RJJ. Hopkins vs RJJ/Hopkins vs Tarver are far more attractive fights as you somehwat pointed out.

Hopkins makes free swingers like Calzaghe pay for their recklessness. Byron Mitchell was there for the taking, Cally ain't gonna get the same thing against Nard. Hopkins drops him twice en route to a UD.

Hopkins makes free swingers like Calzaghe pay for their recklessness. Byron Mitchell was there for the taking, Cally ain't gonna get the same thing against Nard. Hopkins drops him twice en route to a UD.

Calzaghe isn't just a wild slugger like in the Mitchell fight. He has some pretty good skills. I think Hopkins wins a decision but it's not going to be easy.

Calzaghe isn't just a wild slugger like in the Mitchell fight. He has some pretty good skills. I think Hopkins wins a decision but it's not going to be easy.


I understand this...

Americans know boxing, **** what you think about the general public knowledge on the world, that **** doesnt factor in at all. America is the center of the boxing world, without question. And no, you dont need a ****ing "clue" to think that Hatton was gonna walk through Tszyu, if thats the case, why was Tszyu the favorite? Clearly those oddsmakers fall under the analogy that americans dont know anything outside of america.

Give me a ****in break, this is boxing were talking about, not the inner workings of the british parliment. Lots of people saw Hatton and Tszyu fight previously, lots of people thought Tszyu would win, and in my god honest opinon, had there been a different ref and a venue in America, we might have seen a different type of fight. Dont start bringing your ****in homerisms and trying to define it into logic, Hatton won, thats great, but the biggest reason you think that is because hes your hometown favorite, only because he won, you can say "OH I KNEW HE WAS GONNA WIN".


This post should be copied and pasted whenever people start trying to bash each other's knowledge of boxing based on whatever country they're from or how ignorant their country is supposed to be about world history. Can't put it much better than this.

fare dues but americans are the most arrogant people and there so ignorant they wont give credit to anyone that isnt american or at least half american .

fare dues but americans are the most arrogant people and there so ignorant they wont give credit to anyone that isnt american or at least half american .

Thats bull****, in boxing, Americans give credit where credit is due, Calzhage isnt due for anything but a ****ing beating by Jeff Lacy. People seem to be using this thread to get on their own soapbox about their own anti american sentiment.

I could easily say alot of europeans choose to constantly play devils advocate, stereotyping a country they have never been to or experianced the people as a whole. For everyone patriotic flag loving american, there is another american who doesnt give a **** about any of that ****.

Most europeans dont know **** about America, but when they get here, they ****ing love it as well as the people. The portrayel of our moronic political leaders and evangelical right wing you see on the BBC, DOES NOT represent america at all.

...Dont even pretend that beating 5 or 6 worthless ****in champs who are nowhere near the p4p list, in your hometown, are worth more than fighting a hall of fame shot RJJ. Hopkins vs RJJ/Hopkins vs Tarver are far more attractive fights as you somehwat pointed out.

You're an angry little fella aren't you? You must be giving Danny Williams and Kevin McBride mad props then for beating a shot HOF fighter in Tyson.

Calzaghe's reign isn't that disimilar to Hopkins' in terms of fighting a lot of mediocre challengers. The main difference is that he's taken on champs from his own weight class.

BTW, 2 of those worthless champs are your boys, and they're the worst of the 6.

fare dues but americans are the most arrogant people and there so ignorant they wont give credit to anyone that isnt american or at least half american .

I'm American and have been somewhat defending your boy Calzaghe from the people who say he would be an easy fight for anybody.

You're an angry little fella aren't you? You must be giving Danny Williams and Kevin McBride mad props then for beating a shot HOF fighter in Tyson.

Calzaghe's reign isn't that disimilar to Hopkins' in terms of fighting a lot of mediocre challengers. The main difference is that he's taken on champs from his own weight class.

BTW, 2 of those worthless champs are your boys, and they're the worst of the 6.

i just curse alot.

Williams and Mcbryde beat a shot Tyson, on one hand, i give them credit for having the heart to take his shots and still be standing, on the other hand, they will always have to say they beat a shot Tyson.

i just curse alot.

Williams and Mcbryde beat a shot Tyson, on one hand, i give them credit for having the heart to take his shots and still be standing, on the other hand, they will always have to say they beat a shot Tyson.

That's cool, but it's what most people think about Tarver's win over RJJ too.

I don't blame you guys for disrespecting Calzaghe but he's no fraud, he's just wasted his career a bit.

Joe Calzaghe would KNOCK OUT Bernard Hopkins as easy as asking for a cuppa tea!

I would love to see these guys together in the ring!...

Bernard thinks he's a hard man?... He ain't seen nothing YET!

It's very easy for Bernard when he's fighting welterweights and lightweights... But imagine the damage he'd suffer steping up 8lbs ...LOL!...

WHY DOES BERNARD DUCK CALZAGHE?... Bernard got offerend $6 million dollars to fight Joe in Las Vegas but turned it down to fight Carl Daniels, Morrade Hakkar, and William "shot to pieces" Joppy... for a total of 3X fights = $4 million dollars in the meantime.

I know that it's asking Bernard to step up in weight... Which he doesn't HAVE to do... But ALL the greats have done it!




PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE.

Calzaghe wouldn't fight Hopkins' grandmother nevermeind Hopkins.

Calzaghe is a coward who's undeniably the most sheltered fighter in the sport. Who has he ever beat that's a class fighter?

This is a joke. Calzaghe is one of the biggest disgraces in the sport of boxing. Do us all a favor and don't mention him until he's beaten anyone worth a damn. Which will be never.

Calzaghe would pick Hopkins off with fast combinations, and he'd be simply too big and too strong for poor old Bernard - also Calzaghe's a Southpaw and Hopkins hasn't had to deal with a Southpaw before. Hopkins has avoided Joe for so many years now, and I don't blame him.

By the way, we rated Calzaghe ahead of Lennox Lewis: http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/story/0,,996634,00.html

I aplogize for my comments... I'm half cut. But I still believe that Calzaghe would HAMMER Hopkins to pieces, as he would Tarver and Johnson at 175lbs Piece of piss... But NO ONE WANTS TO FIGHT HIM BECAUSE HE'S TOO DANGEROUS!

That pisses me off!


I'm glad you apologized...generalizing is not good. Kudos to you! ;)

Calzaghe would pick Hopkins off with fast combinations, and he'd be simply too big and too strong for poor old Bernard - also Calzaghe's a Southpaw and Hopkins hasn't had to deal with a Southpaw before. Hopkins has avoided Joe for so many years now, and I don't blame him.

By the way, we rated Calzaghe ahead of Lennox Lewis: http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/story/0,,996634,00.html


you are an ass sir! poor old bernard? please calzaghe would have no business being in the same ring as bernard, a legend against a nobody. Lacy will end calzaghe's charade once and for all this fall hopefully. the guy wants no part of a tough fight, never has never will

you are an ass sir! poor old bernard? please calzaghe would have no business being in the same ring as bernard, a legend against a nobody. Lacy will end calzaghe's charade once and for all this fall hopefully. the guy wants no part of a tough fight, never has never will

If Calzahge comes to box, Lacy would be in trouble and will be outboxed convincingly. If Calzahge comes to brawl then it's 50/50. I think he will come to box and beat Lacy.

**** off, all of you.

the guy wants no part of a tough fight, never has never will


Well said.

That's the BOTTOM LINE with Calzaghe.

We're not talking about publicity here, we're talking about physical ability.

The reason that Hopkins is lb4lb #1 is because he is American, the reason that Calzaghe isn't in the top 5 lb4lb is because he is British. And that's truth!


lets list their opponents shall we? calzaghe's resume is pathetic compared to hopkins. could calzaghe beat a prime trinidad like hop did? hell no!, could calzaghe even beat your boy eastman? no. calzaghe couldn't even get by an antwun echols let alone hopkins. lets kabary salem drop bernard! it would never happen., you are nuts about british fighters, guess what? why do you think none of them ever fight in the us? because they have no business at the world class level! calzaghe is a bum, watch what Jeff Lacy does to him, it will be a slaughter

We're not talking about publicity here, we're talking about physical ability.

The reason that Hopkins is lb4lb #1 is because he is American, the reason that Calzaghe isn't in the top 5 lb4lb is because he is British. And that's truth!

He's not rated because his best opposition has been former champs with their best days way behind them. He hasn't fought a fighter that truly has a chance to beat him yet. Until then, people will same the same things about him.

Calzaghe would of fought Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins on the same night, they avoided him for years and years because they knew that they would lose. You cannot make excuses for those over-hyped American's avoiding everybody.

**** off, all of you.

You're an angry little fella aren't you? You must be giving Danny Williams and Kevin McBride mad props then for beating a shot HOF fighter in Tyson.

Calzaghe's reign isn't that disimilar to Hopkins' in terms of fighting a lot of mediocre challengers. The main difference is that he's taken on champs from his own weight class.

BTW, 2 of those worthless champs are your boys, and they're the worst of the 6.

Hopkins has defeated 2 HOF fighters in De La Hoya & Tito when Tito was undefeated in his prime. Forget the fact they both moved up in weight. They're 2 great warriors especially Tito at the time because he was on such a roll.

Forget the fact they both moved up in weight.
No. They were just 'blown-up' Welterweights.

Hopkins' prime years were in the early 90's, and he wasn't even ranked in the top 10 at 160! He wasn't ranked in the top five at 160 at the time of Jones fight.

Emanuel Steward quote: "The last world-class, natural Middleweight that Hopkins has fought was Roy Jones, and he lost every round."

Calzaghe has the best resume in boxing today - Eubank, Brewer, Sheika, Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell... Hopkins' resume is PATHETIC by comparison! Hopkins was even struggling with Howard Eastman who I beat up in sparring.



This statement makes you look like a cartoon. Saying that is rediculous.

This statement makes you look like a cartoon. Saying that is rediculous.

Yeah there is a reason for posting these things. My guess is lack of oxygen to the cranial sector.

**** off, all of you.

Calzaghe has the best resume in boxing today - Eubank, Brewer, Sheika, Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell... Hopkins' resume is PATHETIC by comparison! Hopkins was even struggling with Howard Eastman who I beat up in sparring.

come on with eubank, how past his prime was he when they fought? a prime eubank would have destroyed calzaghe. the rest of the bums you mentioned couldn't sniff hopkins jock dude, seriously they suck and you know it! brewer? 11 losses, shieka? 7 losses, woodhall? who is that? mitchell was decent, and calzaghe got lucky on that one, he was on his way out there. calzaghe makes no effort to make a big fight. he is very afraid of world class opponents, hopkins beats him, lacy kayo's him, tarver and johnson would crush his ass too. this is pointless because your boy won't ever fight one of these guys anyway. how much you want to bet that he finds a way out of fighting lacy? I guarantee it

you sparred with eastman??????

you sparred with eastman??????
Yeah. He's the most heavy-handed fighter I sparred.

you dont stay unfeated for over a decade and defend a belt for over 20 fights (and counting) if your a chump. Now i like joe, he's an exciting fighter but he is unprovern on the biggest stage, unlike bhop who is provern at the top. There is a reason why hopkins is ranked as first, or at least in the top three, pound for pound lists in the world and here's the reason - HE'S THE ****.

Hopkins would not get knocked out by calzaghe - if anything it would be the other way round or even worse joe could quit.

come on with eubank, how past his prime was he when they fought? a prime eubank would have destroyed calzaghe. the rest of the bums you mentioned couldn't sniff hopkins jock dude, seriously they suck and you know it! brewer? 11 losses, shieka? 7 losses, woodhall? who is that? mitchell was decent, and calzaghe got lucky on that one, he was on his way out there. calzaghe makes no effort to make a big fight. he is very afraid of world class opponents, hopkins beats him, lacy kayo's him, tarver and johnson would crush his ass too. this is pointless because your boy won't ever fight one of these guys anyway. how much you want to bet that he finds a way out of fighting lacy? I guarantee it
Calzaghe beat Brewer and Sheika in their primes, before they had those losses. Richie Woodhall was a very good fighter, it was very close between him and Roy Jones in the semi-final of the 1988 Olympics. Richie was a very upright fighter but with very quick hands, decent accuracy, a good technician, good tactician, and a tight defence.. Richie was WBC champ and was scheduled to fight Jones again in the pro's.

Okay, who has a better resume that Joe? This era of boxing is very poor, and there aren't many decent resumes about.

Calzaghe is British, so he won't be accepted.


James Toney
Oscar De La Hoya
Felix Trinidad
Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather Jr.

just to name a few.

Calzaghe beat Brewer and Sheika in their primes, before they had those losses. Richie Woodhall was a very good fighter, it was very close between him and Roy Jones in the semi-final of the 1988 Olympics. Richie was a very upright fighter but with very quick hands, decent accuracy, a good technician, good tactician, and a tight defence.. Richie was WBC champ and was scheduled to fight Jones again in the pro's.


Sorry but Sheika and Brewer aren't exactly world beaters.

Richie Woodhall has only ever won 1 fight that had any significance EVER and it was against Malinga who already had 1 foot in the grave. He's a C level fighter.

you dont stay unfeated for over a decade and defend a belt for over 20 fights (and counting) if your a chump. Now i like joe, he's an exciting fighter but he is unprovern on the biggest stage, unlike bhop who is provern at the top. There is a reason why hopkins is ranked as first, or at least in the top three, pound for pound lists in the world and here's the reason - HE'S THE ****.

Hopkins would not get knocked out by calzaghe - if anything it would be the other way round or even worse joe could quit.
Hopkins hasn't fought anybody! We all know that 160 has been empty for 10 years now. Yes Hopkins has made 20 defences of his IBF title, but Eubank made 21 defences of his WBO title so why isn't he in the HOF? And Eubank fought better oppositon than Hopkins too, rather than 'blown-up' fighters from lighter weights. The reason that Eubank isn't in the HOF too is because he is British, and no American has heard of him because Roy Jones and James Toney avoided him.

Sorry but Sheika and Brewer aren't exactly world beaters.

Richie Woodhall has only ever won 1 fight that had any significance EVER and it was against Malinga who already had 1 foot in the grave. He's a C level fighter.
He dominated the European scene, I remember when Richie was kept on the WBC mandatory spot for two years by a certain Mr King! Then when Richie hadn't been training for 8 weeks due to a major shoulder/arm injury King decided to give him the shot.. Richie fought Keith Holmes with one arm and came close to stopping him. Hopkins fought an over-the-hill Keith Holmes and never came close to stopping him.

He dominated the European scene, I remember when Richie was kept on the WBC mandatory spot for two years by a certain Mr King! Then when Richie hadn't been training for 8 weeks due to a major shoulder/arm injury King decided to give him the shot.. Richie fought Keith Holmes with one arm and came close to stopping him. Hopkins fought an over-the-hill Keith Holmes and never came close to stopping him.


You're a delusional idiot, and you're only making yourself look more and more ignorant with each post. (Hence your red bar of shame).

You're worse than a Klitschko nut hugger.

Shut it already. No one's buying the BS you're trying to sell.

joe calzaghe,ottke,sturm. they look so good when theyre padding there statis against second tier fighters.

want to see calzaghe against up and comer lacy.

Hopkins hasn't fought anybody! We all know that 160 has been empty for 10 years now. Yes Hopkins has made 20 defences of his IBF title, but Eubank made 21 defences of his WBO title so why isn't he in the HOF? And Eubank fought better oppositon than Hopkins too, rather than 'blown-up' fighters from lighter weights. The reason that Eubank isn't in the HOF too is because he is British, and no American has heard of him because Roy Jones and James Toney avoided him.

i'm not questioning eubanks ability he was awesome and yes he was avoided and probably would have beat them - but what's done is done and cannot be undone

the thing im questioning is how you can honestly believe that calzaghe would walk over hopkins and even knock him out. You say he aint fought no one - well the same can be soid about joe.

**** off, all of you.

He dominated the European scene, I remember when Richie was kept on the WBC mandatory spot for two years by a certain Mr King! Then when Richie hadn't been training for 8 weeks due to a major shoulder/arm injury King decided to give him the shot.. Richie fought Keith Holmes with one arm and came close to stopping him. Hopkins fought an over-the-hill Keith Holmes and never came close to stopping him.


But what happened to poor Richie? He was TKOed by Holmes. Coming close to knocking someone out doesn't mean a thing. Byron Mitchell came close to knocking out Joe Calzaghe, but he didn't, and he was later stopped. Richie Woodhall hasn't done anything of note in his career and is a C level fighter. Sorry but it's true...he might have nice skills somewhere deep down but he hasn't done a thing with his career.

Oh yeah, Bernard Hopkins SHUT OUT Keith Holmes and hurt him several times. Their fight wasn't even close. Hopkins could have stopped him if he really wanted to.

Calzaghe has the best resume in boxing today -


are you out of your ****ing mind?

**** off, all of you.

Calzaghe doesn't have a top 10 resume in boxing today, let alone #1.

I'd bet my house on him beating him (and that's being serious, I would bet my house).And what would your parents say? :rolleyes:
:D

are you out of your ****ing mind?

Dude is smoking wood-chips or something.

Hopkins hasn't fought anybody! We all know that 160 has been empty for 10 years now. Yes Hopkins has made 20 defences of his IBF title, but Eubank made 21 defences of his WBO title so why isn't he in the HOF? And Eubank fought better oppositon than Hopkins too, rather than 'blown-up' fighters from lighter weights. The reason that Eubank isn't in the HOF too is because he is British, and no American has heard of him because Roy Jones and James Toney avoided him.


Eubank was a hell of a fighter, if you were making this argument for eubank instead of calzaghe it would be way more credible. calzaghe is nothing more than a pimple on a prime eubank's ass! lets see calzaghe go at it with a prime Nigel Benn? Benn would kill his ass! wbo is not very highly regarded

JuyJuy is not necessarily delusional....I take that back. I think he is merely wrong and misinformed about boxing in general.

But what happened to poor Richie? He was TKOed by Holmes. Coming close to knocking someone out doesn't mean a thing. Byron Mitchell came close to knocking out Joe Calzaghe, but he didn't, and he was later stopped. Richie Woodhall hasn't done anything of note in his career and is a C level fighter. Sorry but it's true...he might have nice skills somewhere deep down but he hasn't done a thing with his career.

Oh yeah, Bernard Hopkins SHUT OUT Keith Holmes and hurt him several times. Their fight wasn't even close. Hopkins could have stopped him if he really wanted to.
Don't lie! Hopkins tried his very best to stop Holmes but he simply wasn't good enough. Hopkins promised before the fight that he'd KO Holmes, but he failed. That's why it was such a huge upset when he beat Trinidad, because nobody was impressed with Hopkins' performance against the over-the-hill caretaker champion Holmes (who he promised to KO).

As for Richie, I'm sorry but no C lever fighter comes out of retirement and wins atleast three or four rounds out of ten against Calzaghe at his best.

JuyJuy is not necessarily delusional....I take that back. I think he is merely wrong and misinformed about boxing in general.


extremely misinformed, he thinks Herol Graham is better than leonard, hagler, and hearns

extremely misinformed, he thinks Herol Graham is better than leonard, hagler, and hearns
I said that Herol was avoided like the plague, and he was.

Americans know boxing, **** what you think about the general public knowledge on the world, that **** doesnt factor in at all. America is the center of the boxing world, without question. And no, you dont need a ****ing "clue" to think that Hatton was gonna walk through Tszyu, if thats the case, why was Tszyu the favorite? Clearly those oddsmakers fall under the analogy that americans dont know anything outside of america.

Give me a ****in break, this is boxing were talking about, not the inner workings of the british parliment. Lots of people saw Hatton and Tszyu fight previously, lots of people thought Tszyu would win, and in my god honest opinon, had there been a different ref and a venue in America, we might have seen a different type of fight. Dont start bringing your ****in homerisms and trying to define it into logic, Hatton won, thats great, but the biggest reason you think that is because hes your hometown favorite, only because he won, you can say "OH I KNEW HE WAS GONNA WIN".

He was unproven, and had a ****ty list of fighters on his resume. Kind of like Calzhage.


Well said, I agree with you all the way.

Don't lie! Hopkins tried his very best to stop Holmes but he simply wasn't good enough. Hopkins promised before the fight that he'd KO Holmes, but he failed. That's why it was such a huge upset when he beat Trinidad, because nobody was impressed with Hopkins' performance against the over-the-hill caretaker champion Holmes (who he promised to KO).

As for Richie, I'm sorry but no C lever fighter comes out of retirement and wins atleast three or four rounds out of ten against Calzaghe at his best.


Okay well Hopkins dominated Holmes and Woodhall was a C level fighter who was TKOed by Holmes. You do the math...

All you're doing is discrediting your BOY Joey C by saying what you said in that last paragraph. It really shows what kind of a fighter Joe is losing 3-4 rounds against a washed up C level fighter.

Hopkins would put Woodhall in the hospital and would probably beat Calzaghe 8-4 on all scorecards.

Okay well Hopkins dominated Holmes and Woodhall was a C level fighter who was TKOed by Holmes. You do the math...

All you're doing is discrediting your BOY Joey C by saying what you said in that last paragraph. It really shows what kind of a fighter Joe is losing 3-4 rounds against a washed up C level fighter.

Hopkins would put Woodhall in the hospital and would probably beat Calzaghe 8-4 on all scorecards.
If you believe that Woodhall was a C level fighter, you don't know boxing. It would be nothing to be ashamed of for anybody to lose a few rounds to Richie.

If you believe that Woodhall was a C level fighter, you don't know boxing. It would be nothing to be ashamed of for anybody to lose a few rounds to Richie.


So what level of fighter was Woodhall? You tell me and all of us other guys here who don't know boxing what level of fighter he is. And then please tell me what level of fighter Holmes is. Enlighten me so I can be knowledgable about boxing.

So what level of fighter was Woodhall? You tell me and all of us other guys here who don't know boxing what level of fighter he is. And then please tell me what level of fighter Holmes is. Enlighten me so I can be knowledgable about boxing.
I'll change the subject and say that in reality there is no such thing as levels, because it's just man against man. If there was levels, I mean if the favourite always won, then what would be the point in boxing?? There's absolutely no point in staging the fight if it's a full gone conclusion before the fight has even taken place.

Back to the Woodhall subject, he was a very good fighter and well respected, and a really nice guy too! I don't think any 'very good' fighter is considered 'C level'.

I'll change the subject and say that in reality there is no such thing as levels, because it's just man against man. If there was levels, I mean if the favourite always won, then what would be the point in boxing?? There's absolutely no point in staging the fight if it's a full gone conclusion before the fight has even taken place.

Back to the Woodhall subject, he was a very good fighter and well respected, and a really nice guy too! I don't think any 'very good' fighter is considered 'C level'.


Well I'm sure that he was a very nice guy and well respected and all, but the facts still remain that he lost his 3 biggest fights and was KOed in two of them...am I wrong here?

That certainly doesn't give me the feeling that he's anything higher than a C level fighter.

Well I'm sure that he was a very nice guy and well respected and all, but the facts still remain that he lost his 3 biggest fights and was KOed in two of them...am I wrong here?

That certainly doesn't give me the feeling that he's anything higher than a C level fighter.
No C lever fighter holds a WBC title or even gets into WBC mandatory positions, I'm sorry. Woodhall was WBC mandatory at two different weights on four different occasions, and no decent European champion can really be considered C level surely??

No C lever fighter holds a WBC title or even gets into WBC mandatory positions, I'm sorry. Woodhall was WBC mandatory at two different weights on four different occasions, and no decent European champion can really be considered C level surely??


So you're saying that just because he managed to make his way into being a WBC mandatory on a few occasions, and that he wins his title from a past shot fighter, that he's a B level guy? He basically should have been handed the title and those mandatory positions....all he had to do was beat Thulane Malinga, who had already been put through hell against world class guys and was at the end of his career.

He did nothing to get another shot against Malinga in the first place, and really did nothing to get a shot at the WBO title against Calzaghe. He was fortunate to get those title shots, and was fortunate that Joey Calzaghe likes fighting average competition. Please tell me HOW exactly he deserved those title shots.

Great post Martin

OK lets look at the facts.

Joe has beaten everything put in front of him and because of this fact noone wants to fight him. Props to Lacey for making a unified fight but he will get beat and beat badly.

The reason for this is Joe has mood swings he is either very very good or very very bad depending on whats going on in his life. When hes on a downer and no defining fight are coming then he gets complacent and takes one punch too many. Yes Mitchell floored him but Joe wasnt even phased it pissed him off and he got up to batter poor Byron. To all you ref haters who claim Mitchell was duped if that fight had gone on he probably would have been killed. He was simply takinbg too many head shots.

Bad news followed a recent fight against Saleem. A bitter divorce and problems obtaining visiting right for his kids put him on a downer only weeks before that fight and it showed as Joe was humbled in a very dirty fight. He still one unanimously though.

Now I think he has got his mindset backand shout KO Lacey and dont be surprised if he does it early to put on a show for all the septics viewing.

Lets take a look at the history, Joe is a multi time ABA champ at 4 different weights. Was held back with disgust in his first 15 fights by the then top UK promoter Micky Duff. Warren gave Joe his first real taste of top action and it rewarded him with the WBO title.

Know, many challengers have declined to fight Joe and this has led to his frustration. The culprits are:

Hopkins
Echolls
Ottke
Vanderpool
Lucas

All of the above where offered good money to face Joe and all declined.

Now before all of you start calling him Cal***gy or Calphony acually watch a fight of his and then let me know if he is crap.


All the poor guy wants is to have a career defining fight but the people who can make this possible run away because, as previously mentioned, he will no doubt be a career ending fight for them.

Ive heard of Woodhall but never seen him fight as a pro so I cant comment on him.But I did see him fight RJ at the olympics and he did look pretty good!

As for Cal***gi koing HOP,give me a break !! HOP has barely ever been rocked let alone KOd. HOP would slow the pace down so much that Cal***gi would start jumping in and slapping while HOPs counters him with right hands and smiles at him. I will not deny that Cal***gi might be HOPs toughest fight,but Hops is so so smart man and he aint losing to no white boy :D

Why is Super Cruiserweight's karma bar red? I dont understand.

He's a good fighter welsh, and he probably would have beaten every you named on that "avoidance list" outside of Hopkins, but he still hasn't really beaten any world class fighters. I think the best guy he fought was Robin Reid, and he won a majority decision (if I recall correctly :confused: ). Anyway, I know everyone has a different opinion of what is world class so we may disagree there.

The reason I didn't name Eubank, is because Eubank was at the end of his career and had been through hell way too many times to even be very competitive against Calzaghe. If that's a prime Eubank it's over for Joey C.

I think that you're right about the Mitchell stoppage, and Calzaghe was battering Byron, but that right hand that Mitchell floored Calzaghe with DID hurt him. He wasn't exactly on sturdy legs when he got up. You could see it on his face in fact. But he shook it off and did well to come back.

He's a good fighter welsh, and he probably would have beaten every you named on that "avoidance list" outside of Hopkins, but he still hasn't really beaten any world class fighters. I think the best guy he fought was Robin Reid, and he won a majority decision (if I recall correctly :confused: ). Anyway, I know everyone has a different opinion of what is world class so we may disagree there.

The reason I didn't name Eubank, is because Eubank was at the end of his career and had been through hell way too many times to even be very competitive against Calzaghe. If that's a prime Eubank it's over for Joey C.

I think that you're right about the Mitchell stoppage, and Calzaghe was battering Byron, but that right hand that Mitchell floored Calzaghe with DID hurt him. He wasn't exactly on sturdy legs when he got up. You could see it on his face in fact. But he shook it off and did well to come back.


props to you on that post mate

if ever a Hopkins Calzaghe fight appears gimme a PM for a little bet :D

I understand you rate Bernard but we also rate Joe in the same way. I suppose its national pride and all that :)

I guess this debate will go down as the fight that never happened and we all have to agree to disagree as we have no way of telling what would have happened.

props to you on that post mate

if ever a Hopkins Calzaghe fight appears gimme a PM for a little bet :D

I understand you rate Bernard but we also rate Joe in the same way. I suppose its national pride and all that :)

I guess this debate will go down as the fight that never happened and we all have to agree to disagree as we have no way of telling what would have happened.

I think Hopkins is going retire because he is going to be thrashed and stopped by Taylor. I think Hopkins would lose to Calzaghe as I think he will lose to Taylor. Taylor vs Calzaghe would be an interesting fight though.

I dont think there's any doubt that Calzaghe would beat Hopkins now, IMO it would be a beating. If they had of fought when Hopkins turned down the fight originally it could have been a lot different but Calzaghe is just too fast, powerful and physically fit for the old timer. I have no idea why Hopkins is still seen as P4P number 1!?!

Why is Super Cruiserweight's karma bar red? I dont understand.

More people have given him bad karma than good karma, i havent read anything he's wrote yet so i'm not sure if its deserved or not.

props to you on that post mate

if ever a Hopkins Calzaghe fight appears gimme a PM for a little bet :D

I understand you rate Bernard but we also rate Joe in the same way. I suppose its national pride and all that :)

I guess this debate will go down as the fight that never happened and we all have to agree to disagree as we have no way of telling what would have happened.


I understand that. Nothing on this site or in life would be exciting if we didn't pull for our countries fighters. I'd be down to make a little side bet should the fight ever come off, but you're right, it'll probably always be a mystery because I don't see it happening before Hop retires.

I've seen, I think, four or five of Cal***gie's fights, all his "biggest" fights, I guess (Eubank, Mitchell, and a few others). I wasn't overly impressed by him, and I don't think he'd beat Hopkins.

I also saw Hatton fight quite a few times before the Tsyzu fight, and I still picked Tszyu to win. Why? He had fought a long list of nothings.

More people have given him bad karma than good karma, i havent read anything he's wrote yet so i'm not sure if its deserved or not.

My point being though. I have read most of his posts, and they are well thought out and executed. I think the limeys may be hitting him up with bad karma. Funny: you folks should be hitting me up with just that but never do. Despite how "outrageous" and "seperatist" my posts can be sometimes regarding sociocultural differences and geographical fight bases.

I've seen, I think, four or five of Cal***gie's fights, all his "biggest" fights, I guess (Eubank, Mitchell, and a few others). I wasn't overly impressed by him, and I don't think he'd beat Hopkins.

I also saw Hatton fight quite a few times before the Tsyzu fight, and I still picked Tszyu to win. Why? He had fought a long list of nothings.

Calzaghe's a really good fighter, he's not a brilliant boxer but he's a real fighter!! I used to hate him because his style was a bit wild but the more i watch him the more i respect his desire to win, i dont think Hopkins could live with the pressure Calzaghe brings.

Its just a shame he's been ducked a lot, even though Lacy's not the big named opponent i'd hoped Calzaghe would fight i've gotta respect Lacy for stepping up when so many before him have refused to fight Calzaghe.

Its very hard to beat someone with such a desire to win, i dont believe any of the excuses people have made about the Hatton vs Tszyu fight because IMO Hatton just wanted it a lot more, Tszyu was obviously in great shape for the fight. I think Calzaghe would have the same desire if he fought Hopkins.

My point being though. I have read most of his posts, and they are well thought out and executed. I think the limeys may be hitting him up with bad karma. Funny: you folks should be hitting me up with just that but never do. Despite how "outrageous" and "seperatist" my posts can be sometimes regarding sociocultural differences and geographical fight bases.

I know some people hit new members with bad karma, if he's done some good post then maybe you should hit him with good karma. I'll do the same because i trust your judgement on that, although i dont trust your judgement on UK fighters. :D

EDIT:maybe its ok except the "he aint losing to no white boy", that just bull****, maybe i've got more respect but i aint losing to anyone, black, white, any colour!! it make no difference to me.

I know some people hit new members with bad karma, if he's done some good post then maybe you should hit him with good karma. I'll do the same because i trust your judgement on that, although i dont trust your judgement on UK fighters. :D

Of course elveiel. You realize as well as I do, what you and I are both intellectually capable of. I read your posts, and weed through the bias toward uk fighters, as well as you through my own bias. I have zero hate towards the UK. None whatsoever. As of late though, I think Its time I play advocate and assume martyrdom for those who oppose differences in geographical boxing ideologies.

Of course elveiel. You realize as well as I do, what you and I are both intellectually capable of. I read your posts, and weed through the bias toward uk fighters, as well as you through my own bias. I have zero hate towards the UK. None whatsoever. As of late though, I think Its time I play advocate and assume martyrdom for those who oppose differences in geographical boxing ideologies.

I dont consider myself to have any bias towards UK fighters, i speak about them a lot more because its only natural, i defend them because i believe the heat they get is unfair. Maybe you could call that bias but its defintely not blind bias like some of these fools.

Sometimes i cause a bit of trouble with the US posters for fun but i have no hate towards them. At least your current views make it a little more interesting for us all.

Sometimes i cause a bit of trouble with the US posters for fun but i have no hate towards them. At least your current views make it a little more interesting for us all.

What you said right there sums up my thought processes and my outrageous posting antics of late.

Calzaghe's a really good fighter, he's not a brilliant boxer but he's a real fighter!! I used to hate him because his style was a bit wild but the more i watch him the more i respect his desire to win, i dont think Hopkins could live with the pressure Calzaghe brings.

Its just a shame he's been ducked a lot, even though Lacy's not the big named opponent i'd hoped Calzaghe would fight i've gotta respect Lacy for stepping up when so many before him have refused to fight Calzaghe.

Its very hard to beat someone with such a desire to win, i dont believe any of the excuses people have made about the Hatton vs Tszyu fight because IMO Hatton just wanted it a lot more, Tszyu was obviously in great shape for the fight. I think Calzaghe would have the same desire if he fought Hopkins.

First off, and in no relation to this topic, you people are far too nice to each other. That being said, back to the quote:

Calzaghe is an okay fighter, but I don't give him the respect I give other people because he hasn't fought the best. Maybe he's been dodged, but too much credit is being given to him for doing the same thing most average fighters do: beat up on lesser, or shot opponents.

I've seen him fight, there's no doubt that he's good, but is he as good as you Euros crack him up to be? I don't think so, and no one can really say.

First off, and in no relation to this topic, you people are far too nice to each other. That being said, back to the quote:

Calzaghe is an okay fighter, but I don't give him the respect I give other people because he hasn't fought the best. Maybe he's been dodged, but too much credit is being given to him for doing the same thing most average fighters do: beat up on lesser, or shot opponents.

I've seen him fight, there's no doubt that he's good, but is he as good as you Euros crack him up to be? I don't think so, and no one can really say.

Who could he beat that would make you respect him?? Would beating Lacy change your opinion??

O yeah and thats another thing,Calphony LOST to Reid.Reid was clearly robbed!Reid BEAT Calphonys ass. it was a disgraceful decision.

Joe Calzaghe would KNOCK OUT Bernard Hopkins as easy as asking for a cuppa tea!

I would love to see these guys together in the ring!...

Bernard thinks he's a hard man?... He ain't seen nothing YET!

It's very easy for Bernard when he's fighting welterweights and lightweights... But imagine the damage he'd suffer steping up 8lbs ...LOL!...

WHY DOES BERNARD DUCK CALZAGHE?... Bernard got offerend $6 million dollars to fight Joe in Las Vegas but turned it down to fight Carl Daniels, Morrade Hakkar, and William "shot to pieces" Joppy... for a total of 3X fights = $4 million dollars in the meantime.

I know that it's asking Bernard to step up in weight... Which he doesn't HAVE to do... But ALL the greats have done it!


Calzaghe struggles with journeymen.....

Calzaghe struggles with journeymen.....
But he was having personal problems at the time, his head was elsewhere and he couldn't get himself motivated for that fight, that's only one fight out of 39 though! Plus, he didn't even struggle to be fair he just wasn't his usual self.

Who could he beat that would make you respect him?? Would beating Lacy change your opinion??

Yes it would. Even though Lacy really hasn't fought much, he's still seen as a legitimate threat, as would Calzaghe. I'm not taking anything away from him, he's a threat to other guys. To take the biggest potential threat facing him would make me respect him, just for taking the fight. To beat him would make me respect him immensly.

get real, i agree with allanglez

I aplogize for my comments... I'm half cut. But I still believe that Calzaghe would HAMMER Hopkins to pieces, as he would Tarver and Johnson at 175lbs Piece of piss... But NO ONE WANTS TO FIGHT HIM BECAUSE HE'S TOO DANGEROUS!

That pisses me off!


After Lacy KO's this chump, there won't be nothing left of him to fight.

Calzaghe would pick Hopkins off with fast combinations, and he'd be simply too big and too strong for poor old Bernard - also Calzaghe's a Southpaw and Hopkins hasn't had to deal with a Southpaw before. Hopkins has avoided Joe for so many years now, and I don't blame him.

By the way, we rated Calzaghe ahead of Lennox Lewis: http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/story/0,,996634,00.html
Calzaghe ahead of Lennox Lewis? That's just plain retarded. Calzaghe is very good but he has not accomplished nearly the things that Lewis has--undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. Calzaghe has the WBO middleweight title. Lewis fought the best that the heavyweight division had to offer and defeated them. Also, Lewis has beaten the two guys to have defeated him and he done it in devastating fashion.

Right on Alpha. Lacy will destroy this dude. (Actually I take it back since Calzaghe will never ever leave his hometown ro country chances are that lacy will lose to the referees and officials) Chances of Calzaghe fighting Hopkins are non-existent. First off Hopkins doesnt need a nobody like Calzaghe to prove anything in his career. Cal who? Hopkins like Mayweather and many other fighters have all stated that they will not travel to Europe to fight. Secondly Hopkins would pick Calzaghe apart slowly but surely as he does everyone else. Hopkins would destroy Calzaghe plain and simple. Look at what Hopkins has done to so many fighters. He even stopped Glencoffe. (Now that is a hard task.) Pah please Calzaghe may be good but good never beats great without luck.

Joe Calzaghe would KNOCK OUT Bernard Hopkins as easy as asking for a cuppa tea!

I would love to see these guys together in the ring!...

Bernard thinks he's a hard man?... He ain't seen nothing YET!

It's very easy for Bernard when he's fighting welterweights and lightweights... But imagine the damage he'd suffer steping up 8lbs ...LOL!...

WHY DOES BERNARD DUCK CALZAGHE?... Bernard got offerend $6 million dollars to fight Joe in Las Vegas but turned it down to fight Carl Daniels, Morrade Hakkar, and William "shot to pieces" Joppy... for a total of 3X fights = $4 million dollars in the meantime.

I know that it's asking Bernard to step up in weight... Which he doesn't HAVE to do... But ALL the greats have done it!

It won't matter.. Hopkins is gettin beat by Taylor anyway.

^True Story!!^

Welcome to the Forums Eye oh wen... I think Taylor will lose but he does have one thing going for him.. Youth. At age 40 Hopkins stands a legit chance of losing to anyone from sheer age. But one can never take anything from him no matter whta they think because at his advanced age in such a young mans sport he is definitely an anomoly.

Joe Calzaghe would KNOCK OUT Bernard Hopkins as easy as asking for a cuppa tea!

I would love to see these guys together in the ring!...

Bernard thinks he's a hard man?... He ain't seen nothing YET!

It's very easy for Bernard when he's fighting welterweights and lightweights... But imagine the damage he'd suffer steping up 8lbs ...LOL!...

WHY DOES BERNARD DUCK CALZAGHE?... Bernard got offerend $6 million dollars to fight Joe in Las Vegas but turned it down to fight Carl Daniels, Morrade Hakkar, and William "shot to pieces" Joppy... for a total of 3X fights = $4 million dollars in the meantime.

I know that it's asking Bernard to step up in weight... Which he doesn't HAVE to do... But ALL the greats have done it!
ur on crack, face it ur Cal***gie would never beat a Top opponent from the states....FACE IT!!!!lol

Where did all these dumb newbs come from?

hhmmm... I was f**king loaded when I started this thread...

Now I've sobered up - I still believe Cazaghe would obliterate Hopkins.

It baffles me how Hopkins gets given this "god like" status from some of you?

Hopkins started his career at light-heavyweight, and one of his two career defining fight was against a guy who 1st won a World title at Super-featherweight.

:nono: That's not a competitve fight - It's just a circus event. And even THEN Bernard was extremely cautious and lost quite a few of the early rounds!

And then there's the Trinidad fight... Trinadad was a welterweight, and his fight with Winky Wright fight put Bernards "career defining fight" into persepctive.

And the 20 IBF title defences against the same few guys over and over again!... And none of those guys were GREAT fighters.

I'm not hating on Bernard, I'm just presenting the facts... And this is why I'm baffled as to why some of you give him this god like" status, and talk about him in the same breath as the Fabulous 4 or SRR...

That's just crazy in my opinion!

SORRY MARTIN BUT BULL****. :D

hopkins would school calzaghe.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion JPW ;)

Hopkins can school certain types of fighters... But not fast paced, power punching fighters like Calzaghe.

why doesnt Calzaghe step down if he wants nard that bad??
step down and fight his way up to being a mandatory
if he REALLY want him that bad??
Why doent Hatton and Sturm come here to fight if they want respect that bad?
BECAUSE OF THE MONEY!!!!
they wouldnt get paid as much here as they get there.
so how is that soo different from hop taking money fights???

of course mate just on this one we dont agree.

joe hasnt fought anyone in hopkins class and Tito is alot faster paced than Joe i can tell you that. Look what happened there.

Nard always finds a way to win and he would agianst Joe for my money mate.

JC is the most talltented under achiever ever to come from these shores.

And that is how he will be remembered mate im afraid.

why doesnt Calzaghe step down if he wants nard that bad??
step down and fight his way up to being a mandatory
if he REALLY want him that bad??
Why doent Hatton and Sturm come here to fight if they want respect that bad?
BECAUSE OF THE MONEY!!!!
they wouldnt get paid as much here as they get there.
so how is that soo different from hop taking money fights???
Calzaghe is really REALLY struggling to make 168lbs... He's gonna move to 175lbs very soon. He just wouldn't be able to get down to 160lbs.

I dunno about Sturm, but I don't think he'll be in any rush to go back to America and fight there. Last time he got his belt stolen off him in a dirty hometown decsion.

Hatton will fight at Madison Square Gardens and Las Vegas soon. He's expressing a lot of interest in it.

of course mate just on this one we dont agree.

joe hasnt fought anyone in hopkins class and Tito is alot faster paced than Joe i can tell you that. Look what happened there.

Nard always finds a way to win and he would agianst Joe for my money mate.

JC is the most talltented under achiever ever to come from these shores.

And that is how he will be remembered mate im afraid.
Calzaghe has never lost a fight in his life, Amatuer OR Professional, that's some feat.

I reckon Calzaghe's big shot will come, only it'll come when he's passed his peak and on the way down, (Like Howard Eastman against Bernard Hopkins).

Calzaghe has never lost a fight in his life, Amatuer OR Professional, that's some feat.

I reckon Calzaghe's big shot will come, only it'll come when he's passed his peak and on the way down, (Like Howard Eastman against Bernard Hopkins).
Joe did lose once as an amateur, but apparently he was totally robbed in some guys backyard in Russia or something.

Joe won ABA titles in three different weight divisions three years in a row - Welterweight in 1991, Light-Middleweight in 1992, Middleweight in 1993. He turned pro in 1993 on a Benn or Eubank undercard if I remember rightly. By 1994 or 1995, Joe was fighting as a Light-Heavyweight.

Calzaghe is really REALLY struggling to make 168lbs... He's gonna move to 175lbs very soon. He just wouldn't be able to get down to 160lbs.

I dunno about Sturm, but I don't think he'll be in any rush to go back to America and fight there. Last time he got his belt stolen off him in a dirty hometown decsion.

Hatton will fight at Madison Square Gardens and Las Vegas soon. He's expressing a lot of interest in it.
yeah i mean like he never gets those at germany

Calzaghe has never lost a fight in his life, Amatuer OR Professional, that's some feat.

I reckon Calzaghe's big shot will come, only it'll come when he's passed his peak and on the way down, (Like Howard Eastman against Bernard Hopkins).

This is what really annoys me.

Having losses in amateur doesn't mean ****.

Amateurs is about learning.

**** off, all of you.

Calzaghe has never lost a fight in his life, Amatuer OR Professional, that's some feat.

I reckon Calzaghe's big shot will come, only it'll come when he's passed his peak and on the way down, (Like Howard Eastman against Bernard Hopkins).


but look at who he has been fighting Sorry mate but you are biase don this one.

beating up the likes of veit and struggling against Saleem is nothing to write home aobut.

Joes biggest win remains agians ta fading Eubank.

to suggest he would beat up Nard is just plain silly bro.

sorry to not see your point of view on this one but there are british guys out there much more worthy of your support than sicknote.

**** off, all of you.

**** off, all of you.

(part 1)

Interview with Joe Calzaghe

Donald McRae
Monday April 25, 2005
The Guardian

Joe Calzaghe should be flying. He should be blazing across the sporting skyline with his perfect arc of statistics trailing behind him. In his eighth year as world champion, and unbeaten after 38 fights, Calzaghe will make the 16th successive defence of his WBO super-middleweight title in Germany a week on Saturday. The Welshman is being paid £736,000 to face his mandatory challenger, Mario Veit, a man he knocked out in the first round when they met in 2001.

Calzaghe has not lost a fight for 15 years. His last defeat, as a gifted amateur, happened in 1990 when a trio of East European judges decided that an outclassed Romanian had done enough in remaining on his feet to be gifted the verdict. Calzaghe's sculpted face, meanwhile, remains unblemished and explains why he was recently voted the best-looking man in Wales.

"So Joe," I begin, "why has your career never really taken off?"

Sitting on the blue apron of the ring in his father's Newbridge Boxing Club - with the starkness of an ugly concrete building accentuated by the beauty of the surrounding valleys - Calzaghe shakes his head. The question does not surprise him. "I've asked myself the same thing over and over again. Why am I not a household name in Britain? Why have I not got the recognition I deserve after so long? I think the fact that none of my fights are seen on terrestrial television is significant but, other than that, I don't exactly know. I really don't."

Enzo Calzaghe, Joe's dad and trainer, jabbers darkly of a media conspiracy against the most naturally talented British fighter of his generation. The real reasons are more tangled and have become synonymous with the malaise that marginalises boxing around the world, with the hard-core Hispanic exceptions of countries like Mexico and Puerto Rico. Boxing's raw power has been diminished by corruption and confusion.

As a result Calzaghe's fight record and his long reign - as holder of a lightly regarded belt he won after defeating Chris Eubank in a fierce battle in October 1997 - have been undermined by boxing's sleazy politics and bewildering plethora of titles. It was not always this way.

"When I was 14," Calzaghe recalls, "I told my careers adviser that I was going to be a world champion boxer. Of course she laughed. I wasn't bad academically at school and so she said: 'Seriously, what skills are you going to use to build a career?' I told her I meant it, I replied by saying 'My left hook, my timing, my confidence to succeed in the ring'. Instead of revising I was already fighting for ABA titles. I was heading for the world championship.

"That was my dream. It's just turned out different than I expected. You think that after becoming world champion you're going to be a massive superstar with lots of lucrative bouts against great fighters, but that never materialised for me. Boxing has given me a very good lifestyle and I've beaten five former world champions but none have given me the defining fight I need. I still feel like, at the age of 33, I'm waiting for my big chance."

His disillusionment has intensified. While four out of his last five fights have been cancelled or postponed - against a backdrop of ludicrous machinations, injury and personal trauma - his closest British contemporary has been given the kind of challenge for which Calzaghe himself has yearned so long. Ricky Hatton is preparing for the fight of his life, against the formidable light-welterweight Kostya Tszyu in Manchester on June 4. It's a compelling contest that will give the younger British fighter an opportunity to break into the higher echelons of mainstream sport while testing himself against one of the few masters of modern boxing.

It is still impossible, however, to know how good Calzaghe may, or may not, be in the ring while he trains aimlessly for bouts against journeymen like Veit and Brian Magee, who was meant to be his latest opponent. Frank Warren, Calzaghe's promoter, withdrew him from that contest 36 hours before the bell was due to ring in Belfast last month after the WBO claimed to be unable to sanction it as a title defence without the consent of Peter Kohl, Veit's promoter. It was yet another example of boxing's unending and alienating chaos.

Two further title fights were cancelled last year when Calzaghe pulled out with back and hand injuries. The most damaging occurred in June when he pronounced himself unfit to meet Glen Johnson, the Jamaican who went on to become the world's dominant light- heavyweight, and the Boxer of the Year, by knocking out the great Roy Jones Jr and beating Antonio Tarver.

The fact that Calzaghe called for a postponement so close to the Johnson fight fuelled rumours that he was struggling amid the collapse of his marriage - Calzaghe was arrested at his former home after his wife Mandy called the police in the days following his withdrawal from the Johnson bout.

"I had a really good week then, didn't I?" he smiles thinly. "I topped it off by getting done for speeding a day or two later.

"It was horrible because I was ready for Johnson. My weight was good and I'd trained hard. Then in the last 30 seconds of my final 12 rounds of sparring I suffered a back spasm. The timing was terrible.

"But fate moves in mysterious ways. If I had beaten Johnson he would not have fought Jones or Tarver and people would have said I'd beaten an unknown journeyman rather than someone we now know is a very good fighter. So if I beat him later this year I'll get 10 times the respect."

Despite Johnson's insistence that he now has no interest in the fight, Calzaghe attempts to remain upbeat. "I've got a lot of faith in Frank [Warren]. He got Hatton his fight and he's chasing the same for me. I'd fancy my chances because Johnson's short and a come-forward fighter. I'd pick him off with fast combinations. So, yeah, that's the fight I really want."

Calzaghe laughs bleakly. "That's the irony. My ideal fight for a long time was Roy Jones. Eubank and Steve Collins were chasing Jones before me but they never got that fight so I knew that I may not get it either. But all I had in my head as my target was Roy Jones, and then he got beat by Tarver. I was then chasing Tarver and he got beat by Johnson. Now we're chasing Johnson again so that probably means Tarver will win their rematch and I'll be back to square one."

That dearth of meaningful fights, combined with his domestic turmoil, has led to accusations that Calzaghe has lost his way. He has fought only three times in the past two years and admits that his most recent performance - when he was knocked down before overcoming a limited spoiler called Kabary Salem six months ago - "was my worst in the ring. Mentally, I was all over the place. I've seen the tape and it's embarrassing."

With the bitter legal battle surrounding his divorce set to rumble on there is a danger that Calzaghe could be diverted further.

"It's been incredibly tough and I'm still going through the worst. Unfortunately for me her lawyers have dragged up the Ray Parlour case. According to that [legal precedent] your ex-wife not only gets half your money but half your future earnings as well.

"It just doesn't make sense. If I'm made to pay her 50% of all my future purses then what's the point of boxing? The tax man already takes the other 50%. I think it's disgraceful. She's keeping her 24-hour-a-day toyboy in the house and he's actually given up work. So I'm paying for him too. It's ridiculous."

Calzaghe's young girlfriend accompanies him to the gym in yet another sign of the irreversible breakdown of his marriage. "I've been with Joanna about a year and she's been really great and supportive. But I'm not a steady 50-grand-a-week Premiership footballer like Ray Parlour. I'm a boxer and every fight could be my last. You just have to remember Michael Watson to know what boxing can do to you. So for me to have to hand over 50% of my future earnings makes me wonder if I can carry on. I don't really want to think about if she gets her way."

(part 2)

This is hardly the sort of serene preparation a fighter needs before travelling abroad to defend his title, even if it's against a fighter he once crushed. Calzaghe acknowledges the risk. "I'm training for Veit as if I'm fighting a different man. Four years on he's much improved after 15 successive wins. He stopped Charles Brewer last time out and, after Eubank, Brewer gave me my toughest fight. Brewer's shopworn now but Veit still put in a good performance. You also know the home-town reputation of judges and referees in Germany. So I'm going to have to dominate him again."

The prospect of fighting Veit, even in Germany, is a desolate reminder of how much Calzaghe's career has stagnated despite his undoubted ability and the exhilarating way in which he won his title. For all his pompous flaws there were half-a-dozen nights in the ring when Chris Eubank proved the depths of his fighting heart - not least against Calzaghe. Eubank's earlier gripping battles against Watson and Nigel Benn - screened live on ITV before audiences in excess of 20 million - had captured British boxing at its zenith in the early 1990s.

"I watched those fights as a kid and they were magical. They were excellent fighters and as good as each other so that produced some tremendous fights. I loved Eubank because he was this incredible character, and you know Eubank, he didn't push himself in boxing like I'm trying to do so I think he fell short of his potential. But he could get away with doing 50% each round and still keep his belt. I have to give 100% each and every round to keep hold of my belt. I don't think he went looking for the likes of Roy Jones until he was near the end of his career, but with me I've always been looking for the biggest fights and that's what's so frustrating. Apart from Eubank, there was also Watson who was so classy and such a smooth boxer, he was dedicated to improving his boxing. The most exciting of the bunch was Benn, he was risky, ragged, even wreckless, but he could whack and was very effective in what he did. As for Eubank, he was an awkward, slippery fighter, and he was a great fighter with his back to the wall. That's why, when I fought him, he gave me some of the fear you need to inspire you. I wasn't afraid of Eubank, I was more frightened of losing."

Eubank might have been near the end of his own career but, against Calzaghe, he dredged up the same resolve that sustained him against Watson and Benn.

"It was a draining night," Calzaghe remembers. "Everything I'd dreamed of came down to me beating Eubank. People were saying that it was my fight to lose because he'd drained his weight and took the fight at short notice and all that, that did me no favours because it pressured me even more. I had no money and we had a kid and so I put incredible pressure on myself.

"I knocked him down in the first 15 seconds but Eubank fought back. At the end of the first round I was knackered. After three rounds he started smiling at me and I felt exhausted. At certain points of the fight I managed to hit the guy harder than I've hit anybody, and he just stood there and smiled. I had to dig deep because it was a war.

"I really thought that win was going to be the start of something special but, since then, I've been looking for that same kind of fear. That's when you feel most alive as a fighter. Eubank brought the best out of me because I had to stay concentrated and alert, you don't know what your getting with him and he can throw you off, that's why a lot fighters stayed clear of him."

He smiles sadly when I reflect again on his missed opportunities against fighters like Jones - who, at least in private, admitted his deep respect for Calzaghe. "That's the kind of acknowledgement I've always wanted," he says as he looks back into the empty ring. "I've always wanted to define myself in there because it's who I am. I'm a fighter. I don't want to end my career thinking that my toughest and sweetest fight was the night I beat Chris Eubank. That was eight years ago. I want to feel that same fear again. I want a real fight."

Hopkins ducked him for years, and still is.


give me one reason why hopkins should fight Joe.

WHat has Joe done to earn a shot other than beat up a train offringe top 20 fighters.

if joe had gone stateside (but he is afraid of flying dont ya know - how the **** did he get ringdside to de la hoya mosely then, ****ing BOAT?)

if he had gone stateside and fought a decent world class super middle then fair enough.

But give me one reason why Nard should go up a weight to fight JC, and probably in his back yard, what win has forced Nards hands.


i can tell you now you wont be able to come up with one.

you are only ducking someone if they are a credible challenger, if they are forcing your hand.

Calzaghe has done neither of these.

The guy is so frustrating all the talent in the world but not desire to show it.

He bottled it agianst Johnson cos he was too busy putting his back out shagging half the blondes in cardiff, thats no act of a hungry fighter, thats the act of a man happy to get half a mill defending his title against people who shouldnt even be in the ring with him.

Bloke's career has bene a joke since he fought Mitchell. Really he has gone backwards, you honestly think that his perormance agianst Saleem, getting decked against a journeyman is credible enough to force Bhop to fight him. if you do you need to take a look at yourself im afraid.

Dont be daft.

Hopkins hasnt been ducking him cos JC brings NOTHING to the table.

No credivbility no decent belt, no legacy.

Why the **** should an all time great such as hopkins be bothered about such a fighter.

sorry ill back brit fighter to the hilt but Calzaghe has just been a constant frustration for 3 yrs. He wont even take lacy on until reid has had a go.

pathetic. Having siad that if he faces lacy ill be shouting for him. But he could have done so much more.

Hopkins hasn't had to deal with a Southpaw before.
Keith Holmes


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I am so sick and tired of hearing (some of) you Euro lot whine about how your boys don’t get any credit. “Calzaghe would whip Hopkins!”, “Eubank would’ve whupped RJJ!”, “Michalczewski could’ve taken Roy with one arm behind his back!”, “Steve Collins was a fantastic middleweight!”, blah, blah, blah. Steve who?? :yawn:

Did you ever think that if your boys ever had the cojones to climb out from the Euro rock they’ve been hiding under, and fight oh say, OUTSIDE OF EUROPE FOR A CHANGE – they just might get a little recognition? Calzaghe never leaves Wales, Eubank never fought outside the UK, Collins and Benn fought almost exclusively in Britain. Michalczewski wouldn’t take a dump if the toilet paper wasn’t German.

Everyone knows the US has always been and still is boxing’s mecca – if you want to be big time, then you need to come to the US, take on the best the US (and the world) has to offer, and show your stuff. And if you don’t do that, don’t cry about “lack of recognition”, especially 10 years after the fact when it’s too late to do a damn thing about it!!

Calzaghe should take a page from Lennox Lewis while he still has a chance, instead of writing the sequel to “I’m Mr. Irrelevant” by Dariusz Michalczewski. :rolleyes:

I am so sick and tired of hearing (some of) you Euro lot whine about how your boys don’t get any credit. “Calzaghe would whip Hopkins!”, “Eubank would’ve whupped RJJ!”, “Michalczewski could’ve taken Roy with one arm behind his back!”, “Steve Collins was a fantastic middleweight!”, blah, blah, blah. Steve who?? :yawn:

Did you ever think that if your boys ever had the cojones to climb out from the Euro rock they’ve been hiding under, and fight oh say, OUTSIDE OF EUROPE FOR A CHANGE – they just might get a little recognition? Calzaghe never leaves Wales, Eubank never fought outside the UK, Collins and Benn fought almost exclusively in Britain. Michalczewski wouldn’t take a dump if the toilet paper wasn’t German.

Everyone knows the US has always been and still is boxing’s mecca – if you want to be big time, then you need to come to the US, take on the best the US (and the world) has to offer, and show your stuff. And if you don’t do that, don’t cry about “lack of recognition”, especially 10 years after the fact when it’s too late to do a damn thing about it!!

Calzaghe should take a page from Lennox Lewis while he still has a chance, instead of writing the sequel to “I’m Mr. Irrelevant” by Dariusz Michalczewski. :rolleyes:

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God damn it, why does location have to come into it?? a fights a fight no matter where it is!!

Europeans dont moan when Americans refuse to leave their own country, boxings a buisness so fighters go where the money is and if they think thats the American, Asia, Europe or any other place who gives a crap!?!? The last thing i think about when i'm watching a fight is the location!!

eubank had his first 4 fights in the us and fought outside the uk on a number of occasions, Benn also fought around europe and in the us a handful of times - i get your point though gasped
Evil i'd have to disagree, location does sometimes have an outcome on the fight eg most of ottkes fights :D
Seriously tho i know a rings a ring but sometimes and i mean only sometimes it does matter where they are

give me one reason why hopkins should fight Joe.

WHat has Joe done to earn a shot other than beat up a train offringe top 20 fighters.

if joe had gone stateside (but he is afraid of flying dont ya know - how the **** did he get ringdside to de la hoya mosely then, ****ing BOAT?)

if he had gone stateside and fought a decent world class super middle then fair enough.

But give me one reason why Nard should go up a weight to fight JC, and probably in his back yard, what win has forced Nards hands.


i can tell you now you wont be able to come up with one.

you are only ducking someone if they are a credible challenger, if they are forcing your hand.

Calzaghe has done neither of these.

The guy is so frustrating all the talent in the world but not desire to show it.

He bottled it agianst Johnson cos he was too busy putting his back out shagging half the blondes in cardiff, thats no act of a hungry fighter, thats the act of a man happy to get half a mill defending his title against people who shouldnt even be in the ring with him.

Bloke's career has bene a joke since he fought Mitchell. Really he has gone backwards, you honestly think that his perormance agianst Saleem, getting decked against a journeyman is credible enough to force Bhop to fight him. if you do you need to take a look at yourself im afraid.

Dont be daft.

Hopkins hasnt been ducking him cos JC brings NOTHING to the table.

No credivbility no decent belt, no legacy.

Why the **** should an all time great such as hopkins be bothered about such a fighter.

sorry ill back brit fighter to the hilt but Calzaghe has just been a constant frustration for 3 yrs. He wont even take lacy on until reid has had a go.

pathetic. Having siad that if he faces lacy ill be shouting for him. But he could have done so much more.



JPW is the man.

I am so sick and tired of hearing (some of) you Euro lot whine about how your boys don’t get any credit. “Calzaghe would whip Hopkins!”, “Eubank would’ve whupped RJJ!”, “Michalczewski could’ve taken Roy with one arm behind his back!”, “Steve Collins was a fantastic middleweight!”, blah, blah, blah.

Grow up. Those are bull**** quotes. Idiot.


Did you ever think that if your boys ever had the cojones to climb out from the Euro rock they’ve been hiding under, and fight oh say, OUTSIDE OF EUROPE FOR A CHANGE – they just might get a little recognition? Calzaghe never leaves Wales, Eubank never fought outside the UK,

Eubank wanted to fight Roy Jones and Toney in Las Vegas, they didn't want to fight him. Calzaghe wanted to fight Roy Jones and Hopkins in Las Vegas, they didn't want to fight him.


Collins and Benn fought almost exclusively in Britain

Collins was the USA Middleweight Champion at the same time as the likes of Hagler/Hearns/Leonard reigned as World Champions. Collins trained with Marvin Hagler from 1986 onwards and after Hagler/Hearns/Leonard had stepped down - Collins improved so much that he fought the best that America had to offer - in America! He fought for the World Middleweight title in America on two occasions. But it wasn't until years later that Collins found his best form and made his best money - in Britain.

Benn travelled to America and beat everybody they put in front of him - in America! He beat the best that America had to offer - in America! He had two World Middleweight title fights in America, against the best that America had to offer, and he knocked them both out in their own backyards. Benn also won his World Super-Middleweight title on foreign soil, by TKO in his opponents backyard. But it wasn't until years later that Benn found his best form and made his best money - in Britain.


Everyone knows the US has always been and still is boxing’s mecca – if you want to be big time, then you need to come to the US, take on the best the US (and the world) has to offer, and show your stuff. And if you don’t do that, don’t cry about “lack of recognition”, especially 10 years after the fact when it’s too late to do a damn thing about it!!

How about if your precious American fighters are too scared to fight you? As is the case with Eubank and Calzaghe in particular, they'd of jumped at the chance to fight in Las Vegas against Roy Jones, Toney, Hopkins etc but those guys did not want to fight them!

calzaghes just a euro fighter he builds up his record against european bums and than when hes put into a huge championship fight he gets his ass kicked ala danny williams.

**** off, all of you.

**** off, all of you.

it makes me 16 years old id hope that they could kick my ass

He's beaten world-class American's such as Charles Brewer, Byron Mitchell etc. "European bums" doesn't make sense. The same can be said for every fighter in history such as "Roy Jones never left Pensacola and built his record up against American bums".


Roy Jones beat a heavyweight champion. I forgot about Mitchell, I give Joe credit for that one, he rocked Mitchell.

brewer lost to everyone good he ever fought dont bring up byron mitchell cause its the same for him but i will give him the fact that he beat miguel angel jiminez he is a good fighter compared to the rest of who hes fought

miguel angel jiminez
Who the **** is that?? :)

id say hes miguel angel jiminez this whole topic came up because someone thought that he could beat bernard hopkins all im trying to say maybe is that i see no signs in anyone that he has beaten to tell me that he can beat the undisputed middleweight champion of the world but i could be wrong

Oh and it just so happens that these "bums" would laugh at you and knock your head clean off your shoulders if you fought them, so what does that make you?


You are a complete jackass, nothing you post makes a shred of sense, absolutely nothing, you know nothing about boxing, its pathetic really. calzaghe sucks, you suck, british boxing in general pretty much sucks

He's beaten world-class American's such as Charles Brewer, Byron Mitchell etc. "European bums" doesn't make sense. The same can be said for every fighter in history such as "Roy Jones never left Pensacola and built his record up against American bums".



You're a joke. When has ANYONE ever said that these guys are "world class Americans"??? Stop trying to make Calzaghes wins look better because those guys were nothing special.

Grow up. Those are bull**** quotes. Idiot.


Eubank wanted to fight Roy Jones and Toney in Las Vegas, they didn't want to fight him. Calzaghe wanted to fight Roy Jones and Hopkins in Las Vegas, they didn't want to fight him.


Collins was the USA Middleweight Champion at the same time as the likes of Hagler/Hearns/Leonard reigned as World Champions. Collins trained with Marvin Hagler from 1986 onwards and after Hagler/Hearns/Leonard had stepped down - Collins improved so much that he fought the best that America had to offer - in America! He fought for the World Middleweight title in America on two occasions. But it wasn't until years later that Collins found his best form and made his best money - in Britain.

Benn travelled to America and beat everybody they put in front of him - in America! He beat the best that America had to offer - in America! He had two World Middleweight title fights in America, against the best that America had to offer, and he knocked them both out in their own backyards. Benn also won his World Super-Middleweight title on foreign soil, by TKO in his opponents backyard. But it wasn't until years later that Benn found his best form and made his best money - in Britain.


How about if your precious American fighters are too scared to fight you? As is the case with Eubank and Calzaghe in particular, they'd of jumped at the chance to fight in Las Vegas against Roy Jones, Toney, Hopkins etc but those guys did not want to fight them!


Again, provide credible evidence that those fights were ducked by Toney and Hopkins and you can say **** like that. Otherwise, nobody should read the garbage that you spew out and it should be passed off as false information.

Stop trying to make Steve Collins look like a great fighter. He was average and only had decent wins against an over the hill Eubank and a shot Nigel Benn.

Steve Collins lost BOTH OF HIS BIGGEST FIGHTS IN AMERICA....AND BOTH OF THOSE FIGHTS WERE IN HIS YOUNG PRIME. He was beaten by a B level champ in Reggie Johnson and he was beaten soundly by McCallum.

Again, provide credible evidence that those fights were ducked by Toney and Hopkins and you can say **** like that. Otherwise, nobody should read the garbage that you spew out and it should be passed off as false information.

Stop trying to make Steve Collins look like a great fighter. He was average and only had decent wins against an over the hill Eubank and a shot Nigel Benn.

Steve Collins lost BOTH OF HIS BIGGEST FIGHTS IN AMERICA....AND BOTH OF THOSE FIGHTS WERE IN HIS YOUNG PRIME. He was beaten by a B level champ in Reggie Johnson and he was beaten soundly by McCallum.
Collins' prime was in the mid-to-late 90's when he was avoided like the plague, he became a marauding warrior and peaked under Freddie Roach.

Collins was very raw against Reggie Johnson and Sumbu Kalambay in their backyards, but it's a known fact that he was clearly robbed on the scorecards in those fights. If you actually bother to watch those fights, you'll see that he didn't lose. And this was Collins way before his peak.

**** off, all of you.

**** off, all of you.

I think Hopkins is a solid fighter, but I really don't know what would happen against Calzaghe. I mean, there are just alot of question marks, too many things left unanswered. Hopkin's age, Calzaghe's age, Calzaghe's level of experience, Hopkin's jumping in weight, how they would match-up style wise, etc. This is the kind of match-up where I think you could basically make a sound argument for virtually any possible outcome and not be anymore wrong the next person.

Oh and Collins' biggest fights by far were against Benn and Eubank, and he won all four.

His peak? What else did he do at his peak besides beat a shot, gun shy Eubank and a shot Nigel Benn? Please enlighten me....

Let me guess, your American :rolleyes:


absolutely! , but i say that only after reading a ton of your posts, and you are completely delusional when it comes to the caliber of british fighters. and im not bias against a boxer just because they were british. I love Nigel Benn, in his prime that guy was a powerhouse, i would have loved him to fight jones and toney in their primes,but calzaghe and collins are no where near the caliber of a prime Benn or the americans you have been comparing them to

His peak? What else did he do at his peak besides beat a shot, gun shy Eubank and a shot Nigel Benn? Please enlighten me....
He beat up his mandatories like a true warrior, head-first and all-out slugging. And it was no easy feat defeating Eubank and Benn, Eubank had Collins out on his feet but Stevie came back like a warrior. I remember Benn caught Collins cleanly plenty of times and really hurt him and put up a couple of bloody good fights - but Stevie dealt with him like a warrior.

He beat up his mandatories like a true warrior, head-first and all-out slugging. And it was no easy feat defeating Eubank and Benn, Eubank had Collins out on his feet but Stevie came back like a warrior. I remember Benn caught Collins cleanly plenty of times and really hurt him and put up a couple of bloody good fights.



They were both SHOT, past their best, damaged goods you wacko. Name 1 thing that Eubank ever did after getting out of his second fight with Close? He beat up a bunch of no-name mandatories and lost to marginal fighters like Collins.

They were both SHOT, past their best, damaged goods you wacko. Name 1 thing that Eubank ever did after getting out of his second fight with Close? He beat up a bunch of no-name mandatories and lost to marginal fighters like Collins.
He put on fantastic displays against Sammy Storey and Henry Wharton - those performances were first-class! Eubank at his best. He had them in all sorts of trouble only to back off, allow them to recover, then go again! Very impressive.

He put on fantastic displays against Sammy Storey and Henry Wharton - those performances were first-class! Eubank at his best. He had them in all sorts of trouble only to back off, allow them to recover, then go again! Very impressive.



Impressive to you because you are trying to prove your horrendous point that has no validity whatsoever. Wharton and Storey were C level fighters at best and should have been finding work elsewhere as fire fighters or something. Maybe these guys are world class fighters over in England but everywhere else they are average at best fighters. Again, stop naming **** UK fighters and trying to pass them off as great tests.

He put on fantastic displays against Sammy Storey and Henry Wharton - those performances were first-class! Eubank at his best. He had them in all sorts of trouble only to back off, allow them to recover, then go again! Very impressive.


What who? Do any of these fighters names even register in my memory. These guys are C class at best.. Like Gringo said in Europe they are superstars but over here they are no better than the average joe that one might fight in the street.

**** off, all of you.

**** off, all of you.

juyjuy,

You are the biggest nuthugger I've ever seen on here.

They were both SHOT, past their best, damaged goods you wacko. Name 1 thing that Eubank ever did after getting out of his second fight with Close? He beat up a bunch of no-name mandatories and lost to marginal fighters like Collins.
steve collins was a good fighter who was avoided, also eubank could and should have won those fights, but he let collins off the hook.

everyone hit him with -k so his credability will be out the window..

and yea,while juyjuy has said some intelligent things before,most of the **** he posts is garbage.

Joe Calzaghe would KNOCK OUT Bernard Hopkins as easy as asking for a cuppa tea!

I would love to see these guys together in the ring!...

Bernard thinks he's a hard man?... He ain't seen nothing YET!

It's very easy for Bernard when he's fighting welterweights and lightweights... But imagine the damage he'd suffer steping up 8lbs ...LOL!...

WHY DOES BERNARD DUCK CALZAGHE?... Bernard got offerend $6 million dollars to fight Joe in Las Vegas but turned it down to fight Carl Daniels, Morrade Hakkar, and William "shot to pieces" Joppy... for a total of 3X fights = $4 million dollars in the meantime.

I know that it's asking Bernard to step up in weight... Which he doesn't HAVE to do... But ALL the greats have done it!

Hopkins was 40 and a Middleweight at the time. Why risk his health and his title against Joe Calzaghe? What has Calzaghe done?

Hopkins of 4 years ago, the guy who beat up Antwun Echols, would have destroyed Calzaghe.

steve collins was a good fighter who was avoided, also eubank could and should have won those fights, but he let collins off the hook.


Eubank lost because he was over the hill and was afraid to pull the trigger as a result of the second fight with Watson. Collins is a B level fighter at best who would have been blown off the map by both Toney and Jones. This shouldn't even be a discussion but juyjuy the raging UK nuthugger is making Collins out to be some world beating, elite champion which he wasn't.

Eubank lost because he was over the hill and was afraid to pull the trigger as a result of the second fight with Watson. Collins is a B level fighter at best who would have been blown off the map by both Toney and Jones. This shouldn't even be a discussion but juyjuy the raging UK nuthugger is making Collins out to be some world beating, elite champion which he wasn't.

True....As much as I would like to support my Irish Bretheren, I am stuck in this boring plain called "reality" and the Reality is, Steve Collins was decent. Yeah he beat Eubank and Benn twice, but Pre-Tito Hopkins would have eaten him alive.

Also everyone should keep in mind that Calzaghe would probably not leave Europe. WHy should Hopkins make the same mistake ala Kostya Tszyu? THe challenger got all the benefits in that deal. Hopkins would have to move up, go to Europe and basically stack every card against himself. not to mention the fact that at 40 years old anyone can potentially beat hopkins due to his advanced age. Anyway Hopkins has all the belts at Middleweight and he is the draw right now.. Hopkins of old would have destroyed Calzaghe and I still cannot even fathom the old shell of himself Hopkins losing to the likes of a protected and overrated Calzaghe. (Reality check sorry)

Also everyone should keep in mind that Calzaghe would probably not leave Europe. WHy should Hopkins make the same mistake ala Kostya Tszyu? THe challenger got all the benefits in that deal. Hopkins would have to move up, go to Europe and basically stack every card against himself. not to mention the fact that at 40 years old anyone can potentially beat hopkins due to his advanced age. Anyway Hopkins has all the belts at Middleweight and he is the draw right now.. Hopkins of old would have destroyed Calzaghe and I still cannot even fathom the old shell of himself Hopkins losing to the likes of a protected and overrated Calzaghe. (Reality check sorry)

Exactly.

Also I watch all the fouls that Hatton got away with at home and the knockdown that Tszyu scored that wasn't counted.....I can see why Hops would not want to go to England.

Exactly.

Also I watch all the fouls that Hatton got away with at home and the knockdown that Tszyu scored that wasn't counted.....I can see why Hops would not want to go to England.


Did the Morales/Chi fight work out for you?

Did the Morales/Chi fight work out for you?

It did wonderfully. The Korean commentary was great (hehehe). Thank you very much. I feel much more informed now. I had only seen bits of Chi.

and if i was b-hop i wouldnt give some racist ***** euro a shot either.

and if i was b-hop i wouldnt give some racist ***** euro a shot either.


You said it brother.. dont know if he is a racist but as far as him being a puss I can go for that. Nah man I wouldnt slide over to the European shores to fight either. Why not meet at neutral territory and do it in Africa. (Rumble in the Jungle) or in Australia or Maybe even asia like the phillipines (Thrilla in Manilla).

eubank had his first 4 fights in the us and fought outside the uk on a number of occasions, Benn also fought around europe and in the us a handful of times - i get your point though gasped
Evil i'd have to disagree, location does sometimes have an outcome on the fight eg most of ottkes fights :D
Seriously tho i know a rings a ring but sometimes and i mean only sometimes it does matter where they are

A home town fighter gets a bit of help from the fans but it doesnt effect it that much, not enough to keep someone out of the rankings and not enough to lose respect over. You obviously have bad refs and judges but that can happen anywhere, the only place i've seen have frequent bad decisions is in Germany and even i dont know why someone would fight there.

The only worry i have about a UK fighter fighting in the US is Hatton, i'm pretty sure some of the fights he's been cut in would have been stopped in the US, their doctors seem keen to stop fights early for that reason. But i suppose he's not been cut in such a long time it wouldnt be a big problem.

My opinion on location is the Champ should choose where the fight is unless the champ is a paper champ and then the fighter who brings the most money to the table should choose.

A home town fighter gets a bit of help from the fans but it doesnt effect it that much, not enough to keep someone out of the rankings and not enough to lose respect over. You obviously have bad refs and judges but that can happen anywhere, the only place i've seen have frequent bad decisions is in Germany and even i dont know why someone would fight there.

The only worry i have about a UK fighter fighting in the US is Hatton, i'm pretty sure some of the fights he's been cut in would have been stopped in the US, their doctors seem keen to stop fights early for that reason. But i suppose he's not been cut in such a long time it wouldnt be a big problem.

My opinion on location is the Champ should choose where the fight is unless the champ is a paper champ and then the fighter who brings the most money to the table should choose.
Hey - thanks for calling me stupid, stupid! ;)

Anyhow, your argument that it doesn't matter where a fight takes place works both ways - so why doesn't Calzaghe get his fat a$$ off the rock and fight some real contenders over here? Fact is, there are lots of reasons why he should (i.e. better exposure, bigger purses in the long run, more fans and bigger/better legacy) - I'll leave you to guess why he doesn't...

**** off, all of you.

You said it brother.. dont know if he is a racist but as far as him being a puss I can go for that. Nah man I wouldnt slide over to the European shores to fight either. Why not meet at neutral territory and do it in Africa. (Rumble in the Jungle) or in Australia or Maybe even asia like the phillipines (Thrilla in Manilla).

or Tokyo, Japan (Douglas-Tyson)

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



no really though, if Calzaghe wants the belts he better come to USA :usa: and Hatton is the champ but he should fight in USA since he got the shot in his country.

**** off, all of you.

Oh yeah, and whose gonna be brave enough to fight him??

You are a wanker.

Fighting Calzaghe would be all risk and no reward for Hopkins. What would be the point? To impress the few European fans that Calzaghe has left? No thanks.

Maybe if Calzaghe wouldn't be a ***** and fight EVERY single fight in the UK he would get some exposure...

**** off, all of you.

You are a wanker.
What, for telling the truth? Okay.

**** off, all of you.

Hey JuyJuy, how about a matchup between Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Calzaghe? I pick Calzaghe by devastating kayo in the first 5 seconds of the fight, go Italian Dragon!

Hey JuyJuy, how about a matchup between Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Calzaghe? I pick Calzaghe by devastating kayo in the first 5 seconds of the fight, go Italian Dragon!
A Welterweight Vs a Light-Heavyweight.. that makes sense.

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And Eubank-Wharton was an even bigger fight (and most people genuinely expected Eubank to be dethroned - due to Wharton being that good.. not many had given Benn a chance against Wharton but Wharton suffered stage-fright against Benn because it was his first World title fight..), and a very good fight too where Eubank proved that he was a true champion against an in-form Wharton with a top display. A good example of championship boxing in my opinion.

Eubank-Wharton pics: http://www.chriseubank.tv/boxingphotogallery.htm
did Don King promote wharton juyjuy???

A Welterweight Vs a Light-Heavyweight.. that makes sense.

Robinson was Middleweight champ 5 times dushbag, I think old joe could have made middleweight for such an easy victory for him don't you?

we shouldnt mention Cal***gi in the same breathe as SRR man

we shouldnt mention Cal***gi in the same breathe as SRR man


im just waiting for the inevitable post by juyjuy claiming that Calzaghe would outclass the overrated american bum Sugar Ray Robinson, so far he has joe destroying Hagler, leonard, toney and hearns. im sure next he will say that Calzaghe would have stopped Jake Lamotta in 2

im just waiting for the inevitable post by juyjuy claiming that Calzaghe would outclass the overrated american bum Sugar Ray Robinson, so far he has joe destroying Hagler, leonard, toney and hearns. im sure next he will say that Calzaghe would have stopped Jake Lamotta in 2
You must be hearing voices. Anybody with a grain of sense knows that it would be beyond ridiculous to say that Calzaghe would out-class Ray Robinson at Middleweight, destroy Hagler at Middleweight and stop the granite-chinned legend LaMotta in 2. What is your problem dude??

did Don King promote wharton juyjuy???
No. Mickey Duff promoted Wharton.

Don King promoted Benn along with Frank Warren. Don King also promoted Eubank for a while along with Barry Hearn.

You must be hearing voices. Anybody with a grain of sense knows that it would be beyond ridiculous to say that Calzaghe would out-class Ray Robinson at Middleweight, destroy Hagler at Middleweight and stop the granite-chinned legend LaMotta in 2. What is your problem dude??

for 2 days now you have been singing the praises of Calzaghe and how he would beat all the american middleweights, and that Hagler leonard and hearns were overrated, you said Calzaghe would kick all their asses. I KNOW you probably think that Calzaghe would beat robinson or Lamotta, but after the thrashing you have gotten from all the other posters I think you are now backing off your crazy claims about Calzaghe aren't you? Don't give into the peer pressure, oh and i bet Herol Graham would have given Robinson a boxing lesson he would never forget!!

for 2 days now you have been singing the praises of Calzaghe and how he would beat all the american middleweights, and that Hagler leonard and hearns were overrated, you said Calzaghe would kick all their asses. I KNOW you probably think that Calzaghe would beat robinson or Lamotta, but after the thrashing you have gotten from all the other posters I think you are now backing off your crazy claims about Calzaghe aren't you? Don't give into the peer pressure, oh and i bet Herol Graham would have given Robinson a boxing lesson he would never forget!!
Somebody ban this idiot before it gets too personal. He is full of lies and needs his head tested.

Somebody ban this idiot before it gets too personal. He is full of lies and needs his head tested.


full of lies? go back and look at your posts dude, you have been touting this Calzaghe character as some kind of all time great, and Herol Graham too, if anybody should be banned its you for being so misinformed on boxing outside of the uk

full of lies? go back and look at your posts dude, you have been touting this Calzaghe character as some kind of all time great, and Herol Graham too, if anybody should be banned its you for being so misinformed on boxing outside of the uk
WHAT??

Your nuts.

it's not an issue to me personaly if he fights bhop I would rather seem him fight lacy instead of being injured all the time

WHAT??

Your nuts.
Look - you know a lot about UK boxing, and some of your posts have some nice info about lesser known but good British boxers like Wharton, Graham, etc. But please, only someone with their ears firmly clenched in their sphincter could possibly suggest that Wharton somehow deserves to be in the same sentence as RJJ, Hopkins, Toney and the like (and yes, you never said this, but if you rank him ahead of Calzaghe, well, nuff said).

Course if you start with your head in that position, it's only natural you come to bass-ackwards conclusions...

Joe Calzaghe would KNOCK OUT Bernard Hopkins as easy as asking for a cuppa tea!

I would love to see these guys together in the ring!...

Bernard thinks he's a hard man?... He ain't seen nothing YET!

It's very easy for Bernard when he's fighting welterweights and lightweights... But imagine the damage he'd suffer steping up 8lbs ...LOL!...

WHY DOES BERNARD DUCK CALZAGHE?... Bernard got offerend $6 million dollars to fight Joe in Las Vegas but turned it down to fight Carl Daniels, Morrade Hakkar, and William "shot to pieces" Joppy... for a total of 3X fights = $4 million dollars in the meantime.

I know that it's asking Bernard to step up in weight... Which he doesn't HAVE to do... But ALL the greats have done it!
Joe is still relatively untested. Mr Warren has been very prudent in picking opponents for Calzaghe over the years.

Joe claims to want the big fights but i've yet to see evidence of this.

The proof is in the pudding and as of yet, there is none.

**** off, all of you.

Joe Calzaghe ****ing sucks.
allanglez - banned.

LOL!

**** off, all of you.

This has to be the funniest/stupidest thread I've seen before LOL

Even though Martinwbc is cool, this thread sucks lol

This has to be the funniest/stupidest thread I've seen before LOL

Even though Martinwbc is cool, this thread sucks lol
LOL! :boxing: :cool:

Hey - thanks for calling me stupid, stupid! ;)

Anyhow, your argument that it doesn't matter where a fight takes place works both ways - so why doesn't Calzaghe get his fat a$$ off the rock and fight some real contenders over here? Fact is, there are lots of reasons why he should (i.e. better exposure, bigger purses in the long run, more fans and bigger/better legacy) - I'll leave you to guess why he doesn't...

Its wasnt the stupid part i was going for, it was the hitting yourself over the head because location isnt that important. :D

How much exposure did the Hatton vs Tszyu fight get in the US? IMO TV solved any location problems and the only reason a fighter should travel is if they are fighting a real champ or for more money(Which Calzaghe recently did for more money against Veit). No named opponent will fight Calzaghe so why would he go to the US to fight a chump(especially when he's scared of flying), when he's the real champ of the divison?? If Lacy comes to the UK and beats Calzaghe then IMO Calzaghe should go to the US if there was a rematch. whats the point of being a champion if you cant choose your location and give your true fans a show?? :confused: Plus Calzaghe would earn a hell of a lot more money fighting Lacy in the UK because they could headline him with Hatton in a huge stadium where the paying fans are paying in £'s not $'s(we pay a lot more to see fights :o )

or Tokyo, Japan (Douglas-Tyson)

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



no really though, if Calzaghe wants the belts he better come to USA :usa: and Hatton is the champ but he should fight in USA since he got the shot in his country.


yeah great post you ****ing idiot, against a ****ing russian australian. So he should fight in oz then by your logic not the states?


****inell. :rolleyes:


dont state the same ruiles to hatotn as you do clazaghe hatotn wants to fight in vegas.

calzaghe's career to date post mitchell is laughable.

all the talent in the world and no desire.

Calzaghe would get knocked out by anybody in my signature, especially the Chin Checkers.

Exactly.

Also I watch all the fouls that Hatton got away with at home and the knockdown that Tszyu scored that wasn't counted.....I can see why Hops would not want to go to England.
This is the stupidest post I've seen in quite a while...

This is boxing, it's not a tickling contest... Hatton employed rough house tactics, that's not fouling.

Watch the Kostya Tszyu vs Shamba Mitchell 1 fight, and when Tszyu get's interviewed after the fight, the interviewer asks Kostya Tszyu, "Was it your intentions to man-handle and rough up Shamba?", And Kostya Tszyu replies, "Yes, absolutly... It's a tactic".

And to say that Tszyu scored a knockdown over Hatton is just unbelievable... It was a blatent low blow! Do you know the rules of boxing? Hitting fighters in the bladder IS NOT a legitamet knock down!

And again, if you watch the Hatton vs Tszyu fight, and watch when Tszyu delivers the low blow to Hatton, after Hatton's got his composure back and they ready to begin fighting again... Kostya Tszyu offer's his hand as an apoligy.

You obviously really REALLY REALLY wanted Kostya Tszyu to win the fight, but this crap you're saying above is beyond being a bad loser, it's just completely incorrect.

GOOD POST MARTIN.

it was a rough fight stop being such children.

Im surprised actually as the poster in question is normally a poster of high quality.

im sick to ****ing death of these excuses, ytou arent talking aobut deliberate butts opening a cut here, yes he smacked him the bollox but after receiveing 3 himself.(hatton)

justice in my book, get over it, stop whining and admit Hatton deserved it.

If Calzaghe beats this Lacy guy, what will you think of him then?

Its wasnt the stupid part i was going for, it was the hitting yourself over the head because location isnt that important. :D

How much exposure did the Hatton vs Tszyu fight get in the US? IMO TV solved any location problems and the only reason a fighter should travel is if they are fighting a real champ or for more money(Which Calzaghe recently did for more money against Veit). No named opponent will fight Calzaghe so why would he go to the US to fight a chump(especially when he's scared of flying), when he's the real champ of the divison?? If Lacy comes to the UK and beats Calzaghe then IMO Calzaghe should go to the US if there was a rematch. whats the point of being a champion if you cant choose your location and give your true fans a show?? :confused: Plus Calzaghe would earn a hell of a lot more money fighting Lacy in the UK because they could headline him with Hatton in a huge stadium where the paying fans are paying in £'s not $'s(we pay a lot more to see fights :o )

Calzaghe doesnt even hold a legitimate belt man, wbo is **** everybody knows that except you uk guys, lacy will kill calzaghe regardless of location

If Calzaghe beats this Lacy guy, what will you think of him then?


"This Lacy guy" will end Calzaghe's career

Calzaghe doesnt even hold a legitimate belt man, wbo is **** everybody knows that except you uk guys, lacy will kill calzaghe regardless of location

??

The belt is only as good as the fighter wearing it, so in the super middleweight divison the best belt to have is the WBO.

The belt has some good champions, here's the list

LAMON BREWSTER
JOHNNY NELSON
ZSOLT ERDEI
JOE CALZAGHE (Sup Champ)
BERNARD HOPKINS (Sup Champ)
DANIEL SANTOS
ANTONIO MARGARITO
MIGUEL COTTO
DIEGO CORRALES (Sup Champ)
JORGE BARRIOS
SCOTT HARRISON
JOAN GUZMAN

I'll bet you if Lacy fights Calzaghe, i doubt Lacy will give him any problems, its nothing to do with my nationallity because i'm English and he's Welsh/Italian, its just because i know a good fighter when i see one.

??

The belt is only as good as the fighter wearing it, so in the super middleweight divison the best belt to have is the WBO.

The belt has some good champion, here's the list

LAMON BREWSTER
JOHNNY NELSON
ZSOLT ERDEI
JOE CALZAGHE (Sup Champ)
BERNARD HOPKINS (Sup Champ)
DANIEL SANTOS
ANTONIO MARGARITO
MIGUEL COTTO
DIEGO CORRALES (Sup Champ)
JORGE BARRIOS
SCOTT HARRISON
JOAN GUZMAN

erdei is a bum, calzaghe is a bum., santos aint ****,cotto is just a prospect, barrios is a bum,harrison is welterweight who fights at featherweight and is a bum, nelson is a bum with 12 losses,guzman is ok, brewster is coming along, hop and diego have more prestigious belts, and the only good champ with only the wbo belt is Margarito. THE belt in the supermiddle division is the IBF held by Jeff "Left Hook" Lacy

??

The belt is only as good as the fighter wearing it, so in the super middleweight divison the best belt to have is the WBO.

The belt has some good champions, here's the list

LAMON BREWSTER
JOHNNY NELSON
ZSOLT ERDEI
JOE CALZAGHE (Sup Champ)
BERNARD HOPKINS (Sup Champ)
DANIEL SANTOS
ANTONIO MARGARITO
MIGUEL COTTO
DIEGO CORRALES (Sup Champ)
JORGE BARRIOS
SCOTT HARRISON
JOAN GUZMAN

I'll bet you if Lacy fights Calzaghe, i doubt Lacy will give him any problems, its nothing to do with my nationallity because i'm English and he's Welsh/Italian, its just because i know a good fighter when i see one.


Have you see Lacy? how can you say he won't give him problems? he punches harder than anybody in the supermiddle/lightheavy divisions. that spells problems for anybody he fights, Calzaghe has wasted his prime, he got dropped by Kabary ****ing Salem man, Lacy will murder his ass

calzaghe's knockdowns were due to him being off balance, he appears to have a good chin and a lot of heart.

calzahge's knockdowns were due to him being off balance, he appears to have a good chin and a lot of heart.



Not true...Mitchell caught him with a flush shot and he went down due to the hard punch. There are no excuses like balance for that.

I really don't wanna say this... "But you're an American... And from what I've seen, most Americans know nothing about things outside America".

If you guys had half a clue... You'd have known that Hatton was gonna walk through Kostya Tszyu, but instead you make "wild guesses" on fighters you've never seen fight?

It's so much easier to predict the right winner when you have a wider aspect of the boxing World. ;)


are you trying to be funny? we all should have known that hatton would walk right thru Tzzyu? you sir are an idiot! first off he didnt walk thru him, he fouled the **** out of him and Tszyu also put hatton down, plus Tszyu is 35 pal, hardly in his prime. I like Ricky, but you jackass uk ******s really make it hard to like any british fighters! none of you know **** about boxing outside the uk

bull****, the shot mitchell hit him with BADLy hurt Calzaghe, what fight were you watching?

Have you see Lacy? how can you say he won't give him problems? he punches harder than anybody in the supermiddle/lightheavy divisions. that spells problems for anybody he fights, Calzaghe has wasted his prime, he got dropped by Kabary ****ing Salem man, Lacy will murder his ass

I wouldnt speak about a fighter i've havent seen, i've about 50% of his fights, mainly his early and recent fights.

Lacy doesnt even punch hard anymore, he carry too much muscle that he didnt get from fighting, he looks more like a bodybuilder and that why he throws slow, wide shots. I liked him when he turned pro but **** me he's wasted his talent, theres only so many times he can not KO a fighter before they stop praising the opponents chin and start blaming Lacys power.

The only problem Calzaghe could have with Lacy is the same problem he had with Salem, he switches off and gets caught by silly shots, if Calzaghe fights his A game then Lacy wouldnt cause him problems. Unless he starts boxing and stops lifting.

Calzaghe and Lacy are both garbage for the most part. The Chin Checkers are taking over.

Calzaghe isn't a great technician, hahahahaha. Him vs. Lacy would come down to who has the better chin and who lands first, etc. I personally think Lacy hits harder, though both of them can slug. Neither guy is a great boxer. I think the fight would end in knockout, could see either guy winning, but I'd lean toward Lacy to land first and stay on top of Calzaghe, wear him down by keeping him on those ropes, and put him away around 7-9.

Then Codrington would come in and show Lacy what Ruben Williams was trying to show him. But see, Codrington can box better and definitely seems to hit harder than Williams. At this stage, it'd be a pretty even match. In a year or two, Codrington, if he keeps on the path it looks like, would destroy Lacy.

Not true...Mitchell caught him with a flush shot and he went down due to the hard punch. There are no excuses like balance for that.

Yeah, Mitchell's a good boxer puncher, he just doesnt take a punch very well. Calzaghe was hurt by Mitchell, but you cant doubt the heart because he turned it straight back around.

Calzaghe and Lacy are both garbage for the most part. The Chin Checkers are taking over.

Calzaghe isn't a great technician, hahahahaha. Him vs. Lacy would come down to who has the better chin and who lands first, etc. I personally think Lacy hits harder, though both of them can slug. Neither guy is a great boxer. I think the fight would end in knockout, could see either guy winning, but I'd lean toward Lacy to land first and stay on top of Calzaghe, wear him down by keeping him on those ropes, and put him away around 7-9.

Then Codrington would come in and show Lacy what Ruben Williams was trying to show him. But see, Codrington can box better and definitely seems to hit harder than Williams. At this stage, it'd be a pretty even match. In a year or two, Codrington, if he keeps on the path it looks like, would destroy Lacy.

those two have about 10 fights between them chief, get a clue, you gotta be crazy

[QUOTE=elveiel]I wouldnt speak about a fighter i've havent seen, i've about 50% of his fights, mainly his early and recent fights.

Lacy doesnt even punch hard anymore, he carry too much muscle that he didnt get from fighting, he looks more like a bodybuilder and that why he throws slow, wide shots. I liked him when he turned pro but **** me he's wasted his talent, theres only so many times he can not KO a fighter before they stop praising the opponents chin and start blaming Lacys power.

The only problem Calzaghe could have with Lacy is the same problem he had with Salem, he switches off and gets caught by silly shots, if Calzaghe fights his A game then Lacy wouldnt cause him problems. Unless he starts boxing and stops lifting.

wasting his career? he won the ibf belt in october and has defended it twice already and will fight one of your uk guys robin reid. Lacy has excellent stamina and gets stronger with every round, he does telegraph his shots that is why many of his kayo's come by battering a guy in the corner and a tko stoppage. he is one of the few fighters you'll that can hurt a guy THROUGH his gloves, you can have your guard up and still get knocked out by lacy, lacy takes joe into the later rounds and batters him

are you trying to be funny? we all should have known that hatton would walk right thru Tzzyu? you sir are an idiot! first off he didnt walk thru him, he fouled the **** out of him and Tszyu also put hatton down, plus Tszyu is 35 pal, hardly in his prime. I like Ricky, but you jackass uk ******s really make it hard to like any british fighters! none of you know **** about boxing outside the uk

Ha ha, we think the same about US fans, i've been saying Hattons the real deal for years now but i've been told he's ****, i've been saying Calzaghe's good for years and he'll start proving it again. Its not bias it, its opinion.

Problem is that a lot US fans dont think boxing exists outside their own country. Unless its in the US it doesnt matter and were just saying it does.

Have you see Lacy? how can you say he won't give him problems? he punches harder than anybody in the supermiddle/lightheavy divisions. that spells problems for anybody he fights, Calzaghe has wasted his prime, he got dropped by Kabary ****ing Salem man, Lacy will murder his ass

Lacy's power is not what it appeared to be in the early stages of his career. If Calzaghe comes to fight against Lacy then I would say they are about even maybe a slight edge to Lacy. If Calzaghe comes to box Lacy would be outboxed fairly easy. I agree that Calzaghe is wasting time but I still believe he has more than enough to beat Lacy. Lacy for the most part has beaten tailor made fighters. Fighters who have shown even the slightest bit of good movement have given Lacy problems. When Sheika decided to box a few rounds he gave Lacy problems and even won rounds boxing. Lacy is entertaining and exciting but he can be outboxed.

Yeah, Mitchell's a good boxer puncher, he just doesnt take a punch very well. Calzaghe was hurt by Mitchell, but you cant doubt the heart because he turned it straight back around.


I thought Calzaghe did well to turn the tides on Mitchell because he seemed to be a bit shaken by the punch. Of every Calzaghe fight that i've seen (only 4 fights) i've only ever seen him hurt by that right hand and by a good right from Robin Reid.

Martin.....Once again.

How in the hell do you have the nerve to say I dont know boxing.....by making the Ward v.s. hatton thread....and have the balls to defend your point in this.

Thats ****ing dumb.

wasting his career? he won the ibf belt in october and has defended it twice already and will fight one of your uk guys robin reid. Lacy has excellent stamina and gets stronger with every round, he does telegraph his shots that is why many of his kayo's come by battering a guy in the corner and a tko stoppage. he is one of the few fighters you'll that can hurt a guy THROUGH his gloves, you can have your guard up and still get knocked out by lacy, lacy takes joe into the later rounds and batters him

Get real, Lacy's a paper champ, he hasnt even fought a top 5 fighter yet, past or present. I dont blame him for fighting for the belt when he got the chance but he cant consider himself a genuine world championm until he faces an elite fighter in the divison.

Gets stronger with every round?? thats just a sign of someone carrying too much muscle, it take his body a while to get into gear and if thats your opinion a really fast starter like Calzaghe would take advantage in the early rounds.

I really respect Lacy, he always said he wasnt as good as Calzaghe but hoped to beat him someday, now he's in a position where he think he can win so good luck to him. He's the only fighter willing to face him so he deserves respect for that alone.

I dont expect Reid to cause Lacy that many problems, in the past(during his WBC reign) i think Reid would have beaten Lacy but not anymore, he just doesnt have the mental attitude to beat a hungry fighter like Lacy.

Martin.....Once again.

How in the hell do you have the nerve to say I dont know boxing.....by making the Ward v.s. hatton thread....and have the balls to defend your point in this.

Thats ****ing dumb.

The Hatton vs Ward threads cool, i dont think Ward could win it but it would be a good fight. A warrior like Ward always makes for a good fight.

those two have about 10 fights between them chief, get a clue, you gotta be crazy

Codrington is 8-0 (8 KOs)
Stevens is 7-0 (6 KOs)

You should get a clue. No, you should get Directv or Dish Network and check them out on Broadway Boxing. Then you'd see why I'm speaking so highly of Codrington already, for the division he's in especially. Stevens isn't as refined yet. Really, he could use some big time sharpening on defense. But Codrington already is looking very sharp in all departments. Its not like Calzaghe or Lacy are super accurate. Codrington would do better than you'd expect right now.

I thought Calzaghe did well to turn the tides on Mitchell because he seemed to be a bit shaken by the punch. Of every Calzaghe fight that i've seen (only 4 fights) i've only ever seen him hurt by that right hand and by a good right from Robin Reid.

I've seen a lot of his fights, mainly since Eubank. The one thing what i like about Calzaghe is he has heart, he likes to fight macho so anything can happen, he's bound to walk on to some big shots in the future too!! :D

If i was a Calzaghe fan i'd be pissed but because i'm not it makes for a good fight, if i was his coach i'd tell him to box more because his hand speed is unreal. If he wanted too he could jab and move his way too easy wins.

I've seen a lot of his fights, mainly since Eubank. The one thing what i like about Calzaghe is he has heart, he likes to fight macho so anything can happen, he's bound to walk on to some big shots in the future too!! :D

If i was a Calzaghe fan i'd be pissed but because i'm not it makes for a good fight, if i was his coach i'd tell him to box more because his hand speed is unreal. If he wanted too he could jab and move his way too easy wins.


I don't think the inactivity is helping him much. Granted he just fought Veit, but 4 fights in what...2 1/2 years? That isn't really keeping him very sharp. Joe isn't getting any younger either...I agree that he'd be better off using his handspeed and moving a little more to help him win. He's going to have to refine something to help him as he gets up in years because he's not gonna have the superior handspeed and power for much longer.

I don't think the inactivity is helping him much. Granted he just fought Veit, but 4 fights in what...2 1/2 years? That isn't really keeping him very sharp. Joe isn't getting any younger either...I agree that he'd be better off using his handspeed and moving a little more to help him win. He's going to have to refine something to help him as he gets up in years because he's not gonna have the superior handspeed and power for much longer.

I'd like to see him retire soon, in the maybe in 2006 because like you said he's not going to stay young forever. All his career has been based around his handspeed and power which is as effect as a defence as it is an offence, when that goes he's ****ed and will probably get KO'd.

He didnt even brake a sweat in the Veit fight(Did you see that one??), so thats not going to help his inactivity. Veit was huge, he made Calzaghe(who has big problems making weight) look small!!

I'd like to see him retire soon, in the maybe in 2006 because like you said he's not going to stay young forever. All his career has been based around his handspeed and power which is as effect as a defence as it is an offence, when that goes he's ****ed and will probably get KO'd.

He didnt even brake a sweat in the Veit fight(Did you see that one??), so thats not going to help his inactivity. Veit was huge, he made Calzaghe(who has big problems making weight) look small!!


Well at least Veit lasted longer this time around!!! Maybe it was all that weight? If anyone has ever had anyones number before, Calzaghe has Veit's. Veit isn't really that great anyway and has a nice padded record but Joe just totally owns his ass.

I agree that Calzaghes best defense is his offense. He's lucky that he has such good handspeed because when his reflexes go a bit he'll still have relatively quick hands compared to the rest of the division. I think he should retire late 2006 as well, but not before he gets a big fight with either a fighter like Jermain Taylor if he elects to stay at 168, or with Antonio Tarver should he elect to move up to 175. I don't think Taylor will be able to make 160 much longer and that would be a very good fight at 168 next year depending on how Taylors career is steered.

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AZ, all might zig zag knowledge understanding complete, praise be to allah. The god and the soldier from Queensbridge.

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AZ, all might zig zag knowledge understanding complete, praise be to allah. The god and the soldier from Queensbridge.


He's my favorite.

This thread is hilarious!

truth... not hater...


No....opinion!

Calzaghe needs to beat some more names or maybe he should be concerned with people in his own weight class

No....opinion!

Calzaghe needs to beat some more names or maybe he should be concerned with people in his own weight class

Yeah, the sooner Calzaghe get back in the ring with decent fighters the better, hopefuly he still has enough time to correct the last few years of **** opponents.

Maybe i shouldnt call his opponents **** because they are OK but shouldnt be anywhere near a ring with Calzaghe. Infact Tocker Pudwill was ****, he wasnt even OK.

Since you are admit Calzaghe's opponents are ****ty then this thread is full of ****.

Had to bring this thread back to life.

I dont think it is true to say the least.

hahahah thanks for the laugh

AHAHAHAHAA!! BUUUUULLLL-**** hopkins would wipe the floor up with this guy!