anybody at 34 who gains 30 pounds of muscle like roy did for the ruiz fight...then loses it will be affected...he didnt lose 30 pounds..but 30 pounds of muscle he lost muscle mass and it probably did mess up his oxygen thats why he fights slow and tired now

anybody at 34 who gains 30 pounds of muscle like roy did for the ruiz fight...then loses it will be affected...he didnt lose 30 pounds..but 30 pounds of muscle he lost muscle mass and it probably did mess up his oxygen thats why he fights slow and tired now

And Wlad lost because he was drugged. What else is new?

I think the way in which he lost the weight made him an old fighter. He waited until a little over a month to start training camp and thought he could lose the weight easily. When he said that anyone can get knocked out and that he was human before the fight I knew he wasn't the same fighter. This man really thought he was superman.

anybody at 34 who gains 30 pounds of muscle like roy did for the ruiz fight...then loses it will be affected...he didnt lose 30 pounds..but 30 pounds of muscle he lost muscle mass and it probably did mess up his oxygen thats why he fights slow and tired now
I think he really messed up his stanima, I wonder if Roy suffered a concusion in Tarver2. Because once you start getting concusions, its a vicous cycle, they start happening more and more and it takes less and less of a blow to get one. I hope Roy retires, I dont want to see him get seriosly hurt. The man has proved enough.

this is a legitiemt claim
it may not be exactly why the beat him
maybe they would have beat him regardless
but that weight loss fuked him over
in the first tarver fight u can see he aint the same
against ruiz he still was able to move round
he just overworked himself and drained himself losin dat weight
this is not as ridiculous as wlad being drugged

I think it is a combanation of the weight loss and the fact Roy had lost his hunger in the later years. Roy never had a "great" fight with anybody were he took in as much as he delt out. I think a good old "behind the woodshead" fight can do wounders for a guys boxing carrer. I think the lack of having one or two of these fights saped away some of his hungar to stay on top. He was always just so dominate over everyone.

weight loss is the whole reason.. no otha fighter has ever done that.. and were seeing why

30 pounds? Why does Boxrec say that it was 18 pounds?

30 pounds? Why does Boxrec say that it was 18 pounds?

it was closer to like 20 pounds
becuz when he went to hw he was a bearly hw
just like oscar
they made a mockery of teh belt
oscar wasnt fighten as a true middle and
roy wasnt fighten as a true hw

Just like I asked in the other thread.

How can you type with RJJ's **** in your mouth?
Stop making excuses for this washed up piece of ****.

RJJ is washed up. It has nothing to do with the weight he lost over 1.5 years ago. He's had more than enough time to recoup but still lost two fithts via KO. He's just not the fighter he used to be; he's lost his reflexes. Quit sucking on his **** and admit it.

And Wlad lost because he was drugged. What else is new?
AHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Drugged? wake up and smell the **** you shoveling man.

anybody at 34 who gains 30 pounds of muscle like roy did for the ruiz fight...then loses it will be affected...he didnt lose 30 pounds..but 30 pounds of muscle he lost muscle mass and it probably did mess up his oxygen thats why he fights slow and tired now

cough "roids" cough

At the second fight with Tarver he was very fast and sharp and was beating Tarver.IMO he never recuperated after that perfect chin shot.

I posted this theory yesterday morning. old news

i am a big roy fan but i think he did mess up his stamina by lose and gaining weight.but i also thin that has a glass chin

Wasn't his last lost a shot on the ear wasn't it? :confused:

go to why roy is done as a fighter. i came up with this theory

This weight loss theory applied on Jones-Tarver I but it doesn't applied in Jones-Tarver II or in his Saturday devastating lost.He's done...

I think the lack of steroids in Roy's system might be the main factor

RJJ had too much mouth workout. It was a singing workout instead of a boxing workout.

Anyway, he still got paid. Poor crazy fans!!!!!!!

AHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Drugged? wake up and smell the **** you shoveling man.

Its called a joke. Its something that isn't supposed to be taken seriously just like this thread.

anybody at 34 who gains 30 pounds of muscle like roy did for the ruiz fight...then loses it will be affected...he didnt lose 30 pounds..but 30 pounds of muscle he lost muscle mass and it probably did mess up his oxygen thats why he fights slow and tired now

WHATEVER.. :rolleyes:

weight loss is the whole reason.. no otha fighter has ever done that.. and were seeing why
its nver been done before and i dont even like roy jones the only way hell ever be great again is at heavyweight... when you lift your body never forgets how it feels its called muscle memory.. thats why if you loose it, you can get it back again faster then it took you to get it in the first place..... he should of never lost all that weight it aint healthy

WHATEVER.. :rolleyes:
I am shocked Tracylee :eek: you said you would be a good girl

Actually Michael Nunn did it numerous times througout his career and he didn't seem to have too much trouble with it.

anybody at 34 who gains 30 pounds of muscle like roy did for the ruiz fight...then loses it will be affected...he didnt lose 30 pounds..but 30 pounds of muscle he lost muscle mass and it probably did mess up his oxygen thats why he fights slow and tired now



That's right there shoud be no other reason for the guy to deteriorate at this level that fast . . . even the fighters with a long period of inactivity doesn't deteriorate like RJJ did. That's what happens when you tamper with your natural body state ABRUPTLY . . . never giving your body a chance to settle down.

anybody at 34 who gains 30 pounds of muscle like roy did for the ruiz fight...then loses it will be affected...he didnt lose 30 pounds..but 30 pounds of muscle he lost muscle mass and it probably did mess up his oxygen thats why he fights slow and tired now

Aye to that! RJJ shrank his batteries and horsepower with that move. What used to be effortless movement will be tiresome now. He did not give his body time to adjust properly to the weight switch. The big mobility difference is so evident.

cough "roids" cough


Roids my ass. He walks around at 190 to start with so he really only gained about ten pounds of muscle.

And he has defiently not been the same since he lost the weight and thats why I think after Ruiz he shouldve had a few more heavyweight fights and then retire.

And I'm aslo sick of this **** about Tarver and Johnson figuring out his style. They were fighting a different Roy Jones. If someone really worked to figure out his style then they wouldve done in the first 49 fights. Why did nobody do it there? Because Roy was superman then. I have all his fights on DVD and there is guys that have ran out and pressed him like Tarver and Johnson did but Roy was too fast and they usually got knocked out.

Thank you

Why did he drop back down? Oh yeah that's right Vitali was his mandatory.

Why did he drop back down? Oh yeah that's right Vitali was his mandatory.


So what are you trying to imply? That RJJ is afraid of Vitali? :D Well maybe there's some truth in that . . . but we will be better off if we will stick to the most logical reasons . . . why did he drop back down? . . . Well because he is not a legitimate heavy weight. He only moved up to prove that he can also be a force to be reckoned with in that weight division . . . in a way of seeking out his place in the history of the sports, but he doesn't have the intention of clearing out the division and collect all the belts and the titles so that he can claim to be the undisputed heavy weight Champ. Maybe he knows very well that he has physical limitations just like anybody and his physical built is not made for him to be a heavyweight division. Isn't that more realistic and acceptable? :D

So what are you trying to imply? That RJJ is afraid of Vitali? :D Well maybe there's some truth in that . . . but we will be better off if we will stick to the most logical reasons . . . why did he drop back down? . . . Well because he is not a legitimate heavy weight. He only moved up to prove that he can also be a force to be reckoned with in that weight division . . . in a way of seeking out his place in the history of the sports, but he doesn't have the intention of clearing out the division and collect all the belts and the titles so that he can claim to be the undisputed heavy weight Champ. Maybe he knows very well that he has physical limitations just like anybody and his physical built is not made for him to be a heavyweight division. Isn't that more realistic and acceptable? :D

Why would he go for by far the worst of the 4 current heavyweight champions? No one took Ruiz seriously then and no one takes him seriously now. If you are going to be nit picky, no one = very few people.

Why would he go for by far the worst of the 4 current heavyweight champions? No one took Ruiz seriously then and no one takes him seriously now. If you are going to be nit picky, no one = very few people.



Bro the answer is already there, here . . . . in a way of seeking out his place in the history of the sports

And he was succesful in doing that . . . when future generations look at his accomplishments . . . it will appear that he once got hold of a Heavyweight Belt irregardless from whom he got that. Ruiz is not being taken seriously? Well that's just your point of view but the fact that Ruiz is holding a legitimate belt he is no CLOWN or JOKER either. He may not be the best of all the four reigning champions at that time but still he is a CHAMP. ;)

Bro the answer is already there, here . . . .

And he was succesful in doing that . . . when future generations look at his accomplishments . . . it will appear that he once got hold of a Heavyweight Belt irregardless from whom he got that. Ruiz is not being taken seriously? Well that's just your point of view but the fact that Ruiz is holding a legitimate belt he is no CLOWN or JOKER either.

Well when he is not a boxer and he decides to box a very quick opponent instead of clinching and hitting like he usually does, you have the recipe for a failed fight. Who takes Ruiz seriously? He has beaten a shot Holyfield who he also had a draw with, an overrated Oquendo, a shot Rahman, a low blowing Johnson in a fight that Johnson would have won had he not selfdestructed, and a shot Tucker. While he has lost to a shot Holyfield, a natural middleweight RJJ, to Tua in less than 20 seconds, to a B level Dannel Nicholson, and to a no name Sergei Kobozev. Its also kind of hard to not have a belt when you are given a title shot whenever you lose it.

Well when he is not a boxer and he decides to box a very quick opponent instead of clinching and hitting like he usually does, you have the recipe for a failed fight. Who takes Ruiz seriously? He has beaten a shot Holyfield who he also had a draw with, an overrated Oquendo, a shot Rahman, a low blowing Johnson in a fight that Johnson would have won had he not selfdestructed, and a shot Tucker. While he has lost to a shot Holyfield, a natural middleweight RJJ, to Tua in less than 20 seconds, to a B level Dannel Nicholson, and to a no name Sergei Kobozev. Its also kind of hard to not have a belt when you are given a title shot whenever you lose it.



Ok no dispute about how animated and inconsistent Ruiz is, but my point is . . . irregardless how many times Ruis got beaten up so so badly, how many times the guy get kayoed and how many times he got drawed , the guy still ended up with a legitimate heavy weight belt . . . so this guy is a survivor and he’s got the balls to fight legitimate opponents irregardless who ever it maybe . . .thus he is not a JOKER. So let’s give him props at least for having the balls. We don’t have to trive on Ruiz’s weaknesses to point out that RJJ doesn’t deserve any respect on what he has accomplished.

As I said RJJ went up into that weight class seeking to secure his place in the history of the sports and he has already accomplished that, reason why he went back down in weight. A legit middle weight holding a Heavyweight title is already a milestone, as in Sugar Ray Leonard who is a welterweight fighting and beating a light heavy weight. And that would remain on the records.

But unfortunately that practice of going up and down on weight has now taken it's toll in RJJs body . . . and that's what this thread is all about. ;)

Ok no dispute about how animated and inconsistent Ruiz is, but my point is . . . irregardless how many times Ruis got beaten up so so badly, how many times the guy get kayoed and how many times he got drawed , the guy still ended up with a legitimate heavy weight belt . . . so this guy is a survivor and he’s got the balls to fight legitimate opponents irregardless who ever it maybe . . .thus he is not a JOKER. So let’s give him props at least for having the balls. We don’t have to trive on Ruiz’s weaknesses to point out that RJJ doesn’t deserve any respect on what he has accomplished.

As I said RJJ went up into that weight class seeking to secure his place in the history of the sports and he has already accomplished that, reason why he went back down in weight. A legit middle weight holding a Heavyweight title is already a milestone, as in Sugar Ray Leonard who is a welterweight fighting and beating a light heavy weight. And that would remain on the records.

But unfortunately that practice of going up and down on weight has now taken it's toll in RJJs body . . . and that's what this thread is all about. ;)

Add to this the thought that RJJ is being realistic. He knows that he can only compete in the heavyweights in a limited capacity and it makes sense. He can't always put his self under constant threat from guys who are naturally bigger and stronger than him. To somehow extend the winning streak, leagacy, (or the illusion of being unbeatable and dominant) he had to go down in weight to increase his chances of sustaining his run and cementing a good rep in his career. Though he failed in his last two battles, the fact is he once poked at the heavyweight division, WON a heavyweight bout and went back to a division he thought he can be cumfy on. He can still claim that he had sucesses in different weight classes. :rolleyes:

Ok no dispute about how animated and inconsistent Ruiz is, but my point is . . . irregardless how many times Ruis got beaten up so so badly, how many times the guy get kayoed and how many times he got drawed , the guy still ended up with a legitimate heavy weight belt . . . so this guy is a survivor and he’s got the balls to fight legitimate opponents irregardless who ever it maybe . . .thus he is not a JOKER. So let’s give him props at least for having the balls. We don’t have to trive on Ruiz’s weaknesses to point out that RJJ doesn’t deserve any respect on what he has accomplished.

As I said RJJ went up into that weight class seeking to secure his place in the history of the sports and he has already accomplished that, reason why he went back down in weight. A legit middle weight holding a Heavyweight title is already a milestone, as in Sugar Ray Leonard who is a welterweight fighting and beating a light heavy weight. And that would remain on the records.

But unfortunately that practice of going up and down on weight has now taken it's toll in RJJs body . . . and that's what this thread is all about. ;)

How are Don King's hand picked opponents legitimate?

How are Don King's hand picked opponents legitimate?


Hey, I don't want to argue on that, I understand your point and your stand, believe me I feel the same when it comes to ****i'N Don king and dIRTY Arum manipulating their fighters career to squeze MONEY out of it but that's how it goes in this trade at present. :D As I was saying irregardless how they got their belts those are legitimate belts and titles.

That's what separates a Real CHAMP from a PAPER CHAMP but irregardless people still call them CHAMP, right? :D

Hey, I don't want to argue on that, I understand your point and your stand, believe me I feel the same when it comes to ****i'N Don king and dIRTY Arum manipulating their fighters career to squeze MONEY out of it but that's how it goes in this trade at present. :D As I was saying irregardless how they got their belts those are legitimate belts and titles.

That's what separates a Real CHAMP from a PAPER CHAMP but irregardless people still call them CHAMP, right? :D

Well at least we agree on this matter.

I am shocked Tracylee :eek: you said you would be a good girl

Trust me; that WAS me being good :p
Instead of going on and on about it, I summed it up in one word. That is nice :)

downright nice tracy :p

downright nice tracy :p

I'm trying! I've been away for days and feel like I've missed out on everything!! :( I hate playing 'catch up'

yeah i know :( i am in london on a DSL connection of 2 megs which is cool i got to saw all the videos in the gallery.
By the time i get home (dissapointed obviously) i will be well behind :(

yeah i know :( i am in london on a DSL connection of 2 megs which is cool i got to saw all the videos in the gallery.
By the time i get home (dissapointed obviously) i will be well behind :(

Is the interview not going so well?

I do have to say that losing that much weight has a big effect on your body. I have been into bodybuilding and powerlifting for over 10 years and I normally go up and down in weight and when I come down it aint no joke. You lose strength and stamina. I will buy the excuse for the 1st Tarver fight but the last 2 should not have been affected by the weight loss. He should have been used to it by then. I think he was cool until he got KOed in the 1st fight and now he has the fear of being KOed and he is done. He is afraid just like Rocky was in Rocky 3. He has lost his confidence. I think he should get a new trainer and learn some defense before he decides to come back. His reflexes are clearly not what they used to be.

I do have to say that losing that much weight has a big effect on your body. I have been into bodybuilding and powerlifting for over 10 years and I normally go up and down in weight and when I come down it aint no joke. You lose strength and stamina. I will buy the excuse for the 1st Tarver fight but the last 2 should not have been affected by the weight loss. He should have been used to it by then. I think he was cool until he got KOed in the 1st fight and now he has the fear of being KOed and he is done. He is afraid just like Rocky was in Rocky 3. He has lost his confidence. I think he should get a new trainer and learn some defense before he decides to come back. His reflexes are clearly not what they used to be.

It wasn't that much weight.

The weight drop and probably quiting with use anabolic steroids.

Here is some other light on his loss.

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ROY JONES JR. IS IN DENIAL
By Elisa Harrison
Posted: Wednesday, June 09, 2004



MIAMI, FLA.---I tried very hard to contain myself and not pen my thoughts on the "shocking" loss Roy Jones suffered at the hands of Antonio "Magic Man" Tarver. I thought I had managed to stay out of it, until Friday night that is, when I saw a televised interview of Roy Jones Jr. taped upon arrival in his hometown of Pensacola, Florida. That did it, enough is enough... Roy, you are in serious denial.
Roy Jones Jr. ... one of boxing's most talented fighters, loved and hated in equal portions by the sweet science's fans, pound for pound king to some, "Reluctant" Roy to others; the man who could do it all and do it well, that is until he met Antonio "Magic Man' Tarver...

Actually that may not be a true statement, I believe Jones' problems began long before he ever set foot in the ring against Mr. Tarver. Let's rewind to July 18, 2003, shall we?

On that date Bragging Rights Corner.com in conjunction with Doghouseboxing.com posted an interview by Aladdin Freeman with Richard Hall as Hall was preparing to meet Julian "Mr. KO" Letterlough.

Hall stated during said interview that Jones had tested positive for anabolic steroids use when the two met back in May of 2000. (Hall neglected to tell Mr. Freeman that he too had tested positive, but his omission didn't go unnoticed or unmentioned when Mr. Freeman and his editor went on a quest for the truth regarding this bit of disturbing news). The events that followed Hall's statement are now part of boxing history.



Braggingrightscorner.com was accused of posting rumors and gossip, even Jones' trainer Alton Merkerson and Jones' adviser Brad Jacobs came to the rescue but their attempts at damage control couldn't derail the truth. And the truth is that Roy Jones Jr. through his attorney admitted to the Indiana Boxing Commission that he had used steroids prior to this fight. Pursuant to his admission Roy agreed to certain terms and conditions dictated by the Indiana Boxing Commission regarding the episode. (Those of you who doubt internet reporting, please refer to The Ring magazine's January 2004 issue which acknowledges and credits Aladdin Freeman for the report).

Shortly after Mr. Freeman's story, the BALCO lab story broke BIG, implicating many high profile figures in the world of sports. The lab was shut down and a federal probe is ongoing. As a refresher, BALCO was manufacturing a so called designer drug designed to mask the use of anabolic steroids. While other 'chemists' may achieve similar results in the future, for the time being at least, things have become a bit hairy for some athletes, and the world of boxing whispered the names of Shane Mosley and Roy Jones, Jr. as the two who would probably suffer the most from the demise of the BALCO lab.

Shane Mosley has fought twice since the BALCO scandal which broke in September 2003, looking horrible against Oscar de la Hoya, (September 2003), (although he was gifted the decision), and even worst against Ronald "Winky" Wright, (March of 2004), (who wouldn't be denied the decision).

Roy Jones, Jr.'s first performance following the BALCO debacle was against Antonio "Magic Man" Tarver in November of 2003. Do you remember how Roy looked then? To put it in the words of Joe Calzaghe, he looked... "human for a change."



I was shocked to see Jones looking spent and seemingly out of it in his corner in between rounds, being pummeled by Tarver as he laid against the ropes for a great part of the fight. The bout was close and of course the decision went to Jones Jr. But sometimes in winning, you lose just as much, and Roy lost a lot of credibility here. So what did Roy do? He began to make excuses... ranking in first place was the excuse about having had to come down in weight from the November fight against John Ruiz -never mind that he had six months in which to lose 18 pounds... Heck, I know guys who do that in a fraction of the time, for a whole lot less money and still manage to win fights. He made excuses about other things too, but Antonio Tarver wasn't having any of it.

Team Tarver pressed the issue and a rematch was agreed to. Roy's pride was on the line; he even said the second time around would be more than personal. This rematch was about Roy Jones Jr. having to save face, plain and simple.



The encore was scheduled for May 15, 2004, four years and two days following the Richard Hall fight. Oddly enough, Richard Hall was scheduled to fight in the Jones-Tarver 2 undercard. (In case you are wondering, he got knocked out in four rounds).

In what will go down as a classic moment, Tarver delivered the first blow of the night before the timekeeper had a chance to ring the opening bell. As referee Jay Nady asks the two combatants if they have any questions, loudly and unequivocally the cool as a cucumber Antonio Tarver replies: "Yeah, I have a question... Are you going to have any excuses tonight, Roy?" Ouch!

Roy goes out and as a shell of his old self steals the first round from a cautious, somewhat hesitant Tarver. He scored with flurries, but neither the power nor the speed are evident. He wins the round nevertheless.

Things change quickly in the next stanza, possibly prompted by the exchange between Tarver and his trainer Buddy McGirt. Following the first round McGirt tells Tarver that he is giving Roy too much respect, Tarver replies don't use that word around here, and McGirt ends it by saying, "then go and get yours."

Unlike Vernon Forrest who received a similar message against Mayorga but got the beatdown of a lifetime instead of respect, Antonio Tarver stalked his man, and counterpunching off a Jones right to his chest, Tonio misses with a right cross, then delivers a crushing left hook to the jaw of Mr. Pound for Pound No More... Only 1:44 seconds had transpired in the round, and Roy was flat on his back, attempting to get up, only to fall on his face, attempting to get up again, beating the count but clearly hurt. Referee Nady waved him off, getting no argument from Jones or his corner, and we watched in disbelief as the untouchable Roy Jones Jr. struggled to make it to his corner, on very unsteady legs, defeated soundly and in embarrassing fashion by Antonio 'Magic Man' Tarver.







Was Tarver's blow that devastating? Before you answer the question, please feel free to revise Tarver's record here: http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=014043
Antonio Tarver is not a heavy puncher; he has only knocked out six fighters prior to Jones, (I'm not including TKOs). But wait, didn't Roy go twelve grueling rounds with Tarver just six months prior, receiving far more punishment? Just for the record there was an outrageously low total of 27 punches exchanged in the rematch. Didn't Roy go twelve rounds with John Ruiz who outweighed him by 30 pounds, and who, say what you will about him, can truly bang, a bout in which he defeated Ruiz soundly?

In case you are wondering what is my point, my point is that something is wrong with this picture. A super human fighter, an untouchable super champion who has flashed speed, power and tremendous ring generalship throughout his career all of a sudden can't take a punch from a man who is not known for his punching power?? I don't know about you, and with no disrespect intended for Antonio Tarver, I am not buying it. Something has happened to Roy Jones, Jr., let's cut the crap and be real.



I recall Manny Steward's pre-fight comments about Roy losing weight the right way this time, having a conditioning trainer, etc, etc. He spoke as if Jones was new to the game. Steward's comments run second to his laughter evoking high praise of heavyweight Ty Fields. Everyone is playing up to Tarver's punch as if it had been delivered in unisom by Tarver and Mike Tyson in his prime, puhleeze, gimme a break!

Roy's comments as he arrived in Pensacola were disgraceful. They brought to mind the words of Floyd Mayweather, Jr. who as a guest on ESPN2 FNF earlier in the evening said -and I paraphrase- Roy should take his hat off to Tarver and move on. Coming from a guy who is accused of being immature and egotistic, Floyd Jr.'s advise couldn't be more on target.

During the Pensacola interview Roy claimed that Tarver's left hook from hell was a lucky punch; he said nobody has really beaten him, he went on and on and on, posturing, very defensive and making a total fool of himself. I was truly disappointed as flashbacks of a classy Tito Trinidad after his obliteration at the hands of Bernard Hopkins came to mind.



Roy Jones Jr. needs to dig deep within and recognize that for some reason, and he should know the reason better than any of us, he has been beaten, soundly too. Roy Jones Jr. is in serious denial. Roy Jones Jr. is now simply.... human.

jones was never mentioned in the balco scandal. jones tested positive for steroids against hall but it was revealed as just nasal spray.btw hall also tested positive and it didnt help him much.

It was twenty five pounds, and it's a legit claim. He lost all the weight in about a month's time and when you do that you lose fluids that your body needs to function. That's what ended up debilitating Gerald McClellan, along with the fact that since there was no emergency medical team on hand he was lying on the mat unconscious for about three times as long as he should have been.

Dr. Cynical, you're an idiot.

Of course losing that amount of muscle weight will affect a fighter... it would affect an average person. So many of you are out there to critisize his performances after that HW fight without thinking about the science behind it.

And also, those who bash him for not fighting the best in the lightweight division, think of a big-name superstar in that class who Jones avoided. There is none...that division has been dead for years. I'm not even a big RJJ fan either.

It was twenty five pounds, and it's a legit claim. He lost all the weight in about a month's time and when you do that you lose fluids that your body needs to function. That's what ended up debilitating Gerald McClellan, along with the fact that since there was no emergency medical team on hand he was lying on the mat unconscious for about three times as long as he should have been.

Dr. Cynical, you're an idiot.

How was it 25 lbs?

200 at HW down to 175 at light HW, or am I wrong?

200 at HW down to 175 at light HW, or am I wrong?
your right, but has anyone noticed that it says 190 or 193 for Roy i have the fight and i seen it, he was 190 in the night of the fight

your right, but has anyone noticed that it says 190 or 193 for Roy i have the fight and i seen it, he was 190 in the night of the fight
he was 199 the night of the fight.

the offical weightin was 196 or somthing but they had a another weightin an hour befor the fight and he was 199lds

RJJ official weight against Ruiz was 193 lbs, as oppossed to his official weight against Tarver which was 175 lbs for a difference of 18 lbs. For HW you don't have to starve and dehydrate yourself in order to make weight, so did RJJ actually come into his LHW fights at 175 on fight night? Or would he starve and dehydrate himself in order to make 175 lbs, and then go up in weight the day of the fight? I think we are looking at more like 5 lbs difference instead of 25 lbs.

your right, but has anyone noticed that it says 190 or 193 for Roy i have the fight and i seen it, he was 190 in the night of the fight


Roy just got outworked and lost the damn fight. Im not sure if he's done, but He has to redeem himself if he does comeback.

RJJ official weight against Ruiz was 193 lbs, as oppossed to his official weight against Tarver which was 175 lbs for a difference of 18 lbs. For HW you don't have to starve and dehydrate yourself in order to make weight, so did RJJ actually come into his LHW fights at 175 on fight night? Or would he starve and dehydrate himself in order to make 175 lbs, and then go up in weight the day of the fight? I think we are looking at more like 5 lbs difference instead of 25 lbs.
he was 199 the night of the fight

he was 199 the night of the fight

I don't know what he was wearing for that weigh in though. It could have been a Corrie Sanders weigh in where he was in his clothes. Either way, even if you are right, we are looking at a 10 lbs difference which is closer to 5 lbs than to 25 lbs.

I don't know what he was wearing for that weigh in though. It could have been a Corrie Sanders weigh in where he was in his clothes. Either way, even if you are right, we are looking at a 10 lbs difference which is closer to 5 lbs than to 25 lbs.
it was an hour before the fight, he was wearing what he wore at the fight. you thinnk he woldnt be dressed and wrapped by then?

also it takes 72 hours for rehydration to protect your brain from impact

So you are right its 10 lbs.

So you are right its 10 lbs.
uh thats 24 pounds

You missed this. For HW you don't have to starve and dehydrate yourself in order to make weight, so did RJJ actually come into his LHW fights at 175 on fight night? Or would he starve and dehydrate himself in order to make 175 lbs, and then go up in weight the day of the fight?

Yes it affected him. It increased his level of competition.

Just compare Tarver and Johnson with Ruiz.

Looking at Jones, when he was super middle the guy was so small i really didn't believe he'd ba able to be a real lt heavyweight. in his first tuneup fight at lt hw he was less than 175 lbs, i think he weighed a lot closer to 170 or 171. i doubt Roy was sweating about making the 175 lb limit, he's not james toney, he probably came in to each fight a little under 175

Looking at Jones, when he was super middle the guy was so small i really didn't believe he'd ba able to be a real lt heavyweight. in his first tuneup fight at lt hw he was less than 175 lbs, i think he weighed a lot closer to 170 or 171. i doubt Roy was sweating about making the 175 lb limit, he's not james toney, he probably came in to each fight a little under 175

Which seems to be the case except for his last 3 fights which didn't go to well for him. This also raises another issue as to how was RJJ going to beat DM when DM out weighed him by 20 lbs?

he'd beat DM much the same way he beat Hops and Toney, with speed and distance, but i think mostly distance if he fought DM, he'd make sure DM was chasing him around the ring like Hagler chased SRL

You missed this. For HW you don't have to starve and dehydrate yourself in order to make weight, so did RJJ actually come into his LHW fights at 175 on fight night? Or would he starve and dehydrate himself in order to make 175 lbs, and then go up in weight the day of the fight?

i not sure i understand the question. but the post hw jones was not
easly a lightheavyweight. before going hw jones walked around at about 180 and only had to do light sparing and roadwork to get to fightingweight which is evdent by the fact he only gained about two pounds by fightnight.

but after going heavyweight he probably had very little fat to lose and had to lose muscle and waterweight a bad combo for arobic work, no fat or water reserves would mean no energy which is how he fought.

i think we need to remember here that jones never looked like himself since his move back down to lightheavy.

when jones moved up to heavy he took a solid right hand shot from ruiz and fired back unfazed. ruiz dropped holyfeild twice!

i belive jones just sweated the weight off for the tarver and johnson fights, his skin didn't look good in those fight at all
a sign of dehydraition.

i think the only reason he won the first tarver fight is: he fooled taver in to playing the feint game with him, and taver being the competitive guy he is got himself outsmartassed and lowering his punch output making jones the winner of the many boring rounds of that fight.

jones made a big mistake moving down to lightheavy the way he did, he was pure muscle as a heavyweight and he should have taken a whole 6 months to work the muscleweight off, instead he kept the weight hoping for an attractive heavyweight bout to materealize and when it didn't he decide to keep his promise to tarver and probably starved himself while he ran the weight off leaving himself weakend and without any reserve energy to call on.

jones should have stopped at cruiser and gotten another belt before heading for lightheavy and facing tarver, it would have only been a five pound drop in weight at the time and would have further enhanced his legend while giving him more time to lose the remander of the weight afterwards.

if he comes back he should do so at cruier (now that the cruiser limit is 200) so he can truly have all his resources to use, and not be drained and suseptable to knockouts because of dehydraition.

by then tarver should be iching for another big money fight and a 3ed jones bout would be right up his ally, all jones would have to say is "come on up to cruiser or heavy" and we can see them both fighting at there best.

Can you say over rated and GLASS JAW. I was so sick of listening to him talk about himself in 3rd person. Hey Roy, can you count to 10? I hope he fights again and gets dropped again!

he'd beat DM much the same way he beat Hops and Toney, with speed and distance, but i think mostly distance if he fought DM, he'd make sure DM was chasing him around the ring like Hagler chased SRL

Except for the fact that Hopkins at 160 lbs and Toney at 168 lbs don't have anywhere near the power that DM had at 190+ lbs.

Except for the fact that Hopkins at 160 lbs and Toney at 168 lbs don't have anywhere near the power that DM had at 190+ lbs.
so power dont mean nothing if you cant catch your opponent.

dm would have had to try everything in the book to find jones, then after tasting his speed and power would have tried to box from the outside and lost by dec.

Can you say over rated and GLASS JAW. I was so sick of listening to him talk about himself in 3rd person. Hey Roy, can you count to 10? I hope he fights again and gets dropped again!

I was feeling a little sympathy for the guy, and even tried to force a little 'respect' for him onto myself. OKAY, last night before the Mosley fight, did anyone else notice his lack of confidence? I call it that cause he missed NO opportunity to self promote, or to include himself in any way possible. Lampley and Merchant asked him if he thought it was right for the NY athletic commision to deny Holyfield the right to fight anymore, and he said something like "that's the way it is with fighters like us, me and him are both that way", etc... COME ON, nobody mentioned him, or asked him to compare himself to anyone. And he did that several times, in several different ways. It's was sickening and I couldnt help but think that he must be feeling pretty "unsure" about himself if he had to do that so much. It really made him look bad; like he was trying to validate himself or something. I'm use to his arrogance, and his 'self appreciation', but I've never seen him act THAT way! I honestly felt bad for him at first, then I started to get mad about it. He threw himself into the 'mix' when it didnt concern him in any way to the point that it looked so obvious.
I'm sure I just lost alot of 'buddies' in posting that, but I have to speak my mind on this and see if anyone else noticed it. It was shameless self-promoting. The press, etc... had finally stopped shoving him in my face and down my throat, so now he has to do it himself. (DONT HATE me for pointing out the obvious please!!!)

I was feeling a little sympathy for the guy, and even tried to force a little 'respect' for him onto myself. OKAY, last night before the Mosley fight, did anyone else notice his lack of confidence? I call it that cause he missed NO opportunity to self promote, or to include himself in any way possible. Lampley and Merchant asked him if he thought it was right for the NY athletic commision to deny Holyfield the right to fight anymore, and he said something like "that's the way it is with fighters like us, me and him are both that way", etc... COME ON, nobody mentioned him, or asked him to compare himself to anyone. And he did that several times, in several different ways. It's was sickening and I couldnt help but think that he must be feeling pretty "unsure" about himself if he had to do that so much. It really made him look bad; like he was trying to validate himself or something. I'm use to his arrogance, and his 'self appreciation', but I've never seen him act THAT way! I honestly felt bad for him at first, then I started to get mad about it. He threw himself into the 'mix' when it didnt concern him in any way to the point that it looked so obvious.
I'm sure I just lost alot of 'buddies' in posting that, but I have to speak my mind on this and see if anyone else noticed it. It was shameless self-promoting. The press, etc... had finally stopped shoving him in my face and down my throat, so now he has to do it himself. (DONT HATE me for pointing out the obvious please!!!)

That's it. I hate you now! :p

That's it. I hate you now! :p

No you dont ;) check out my latest post on the football thread...its important. You and pbds have something to work out, if I'm not mistaken! :o

Roy kind of stole the show last night, when comparing himself to Mosley saying, "If Roy Jones want to come back (made a noise) he can come back and whup some ass." Something like that...sorry for the misquote..

Roy kind of stole the show last night, when comparing himself to Mosley saying, "If Roy Jones want to come back (made a noise) he can come back and whup some ass." Something like that...sorry for the misquote..

Not a misquote....very accurate. Just one of the many times that he tried to validate his greatness and it was sickening. :rolleyes: THat noise was something like "oohhhwwww" you know HE gonna whip some ass"....whatever Roy, shut up and prove it PLEASE!!!!!

It did for the first Tarver fight and he still won


the second fight (of which i only saw the KO)

probably not because he got KOed too quick ;)

so power dont mean nothing if you cant catch your opponent.

dm would have had to try everything in the book to find jones, then after tasting his speed and power would have tried to box from the outside and lost by dec.

You really need to watch a DM fight or if you have, you really need to go watch him again and watch how many punches the guy takes. He is like a talented Lamon Brewster. His chin is granite. There is no way that Jones with a 60% KO % is going to keep DM off of him.

In the first tarver fight yes...you lose 30pnds of pure muscle and see how you feel. In the second fight...no...he was caught by a great punch that's all. Against johnson, his heart wasn't in it, that's all. His punch output was non-existent. That's not to say johnson didn't fight a great fight...he did and I hope he beats tarver.

Roy just needs to get up and train. Yes 30 pounds of muscle will do you in, yes he needs to rest, but non of that will help him win if he doesnt train like he used to.

Its his china chin guys! :D

People want to say it was one thing but that's silly. Roy's downfall is due to several factors.

1) The loss of a significant amount of muscle mass, 10-18 lbs, had more than a temporary effect on him.

2) Age. At 35, Roy shouldn't be expected to be as great as he once was. Some people claim they noticed his speed dropping, mainly his footspeed, since the Clinton Woods fight.

3) Desire. Roy's desire was probably not as intense as it was in such fights as Griffin II and Ruiz.

Of these factors I would point to age as the most significant one. Roy doesn't have a glass chin by any means, whoever said that. He took some good shots from Ruiz and From Tarver in their first fight. However, the devastating one-punch KO of Jones in the rematch made him more susceptible to being KO'd. It is well documented that once you get KO'd and suffer some sort of brain trauma, you only get worse and worse and taking punches from that point on.

He should retire, he has no legs and a shattered chin.

No because he only loss 20 pounds or less he didn't fight Ruiz at the normal heavyweight limit of 200 only at 195 so he only had to lose 20 pounds and in my opinion he lost to Tarver twice the first time he didn't take the belt from him he was given a gift. You could see his legs slipping from him duing the Gonzalez and he never had tremedous power at light heavy.

anybody at 34 who gains 30 pounds of muscle like roy did for the ruiz fight...then loses it will be affected...he didnt lose 30 pounds..but 30 pounds of muscle he lost muscle mass and it probably did mess up his oxygen thats why he fights slow and tired now
I don't believe it i now it's the or one of the reason's he looked like that when he got down in weight again. he just looked different his skin color his face looked old, he just didn't look healthy compare his skincolor in the ruiz fight with the jones in the 1 and 2 tarver fights, it's a big difference.

When I watched the Johnson fight, my first thought, Jones was on drugs, he looked, very unhealthy.

After reading this very interesting and very good thread i have come to these conclusions:

1. Roy Jones SHOULD have stayed at heavyweight. He would not have had to lose all the weight and it is a fact that older fighters last longer in higher weight divisions.

2. Roy Jones should NEVER fight again. His knock out loses to Traver and Johnson were very bad KO loses and he risks brain damage if hit again!

3. Roy Jones IS a great fighter. His last two fights should not reflect a wonderful career. i think in time appreciation will grow for his skills and he might make the top 40 greatest fighters of all time...

anybody at 34 who gains 30 pounds of muscle like roy did for the ruiz fight...then loses it will be affected...he didnt lose 30 pounds..but 30 pounds of muscle he lost muscle mass and it probably did mess up his oxygen thats why he fights slow and tired now

it certainly affected him, but it's no excuse

it certainly affected him, but it's no excuse

I agree (but of course!! :D ) and even if it did affect him against Tarver, was he not used to the change by the time Johnson beat him? How long does it take a fighter of his caliber to adjust to a particular weight?? Or is that too 'cut and dried' a way to look at it? :confused:

I do, losing that much weight in a short period of time definately effects a fighter.

I agree (but of course!! :D ) and even if it did affect him against Tarver, was he not used to the change by the time Johnson beat him? How long does it take a fighter of his caliber to adjust to a particular weight?? Or is that too 'cut and dried' a way to look at it? :confused:


I dont think he should have moved back down, having to shed that much weight, especially muscle is just bad. It must have been almost impossible to make weight for both Tarver fights and the johnson fight. His body was too old for it.

of course it affected him. for such a smart guy roy jones is pretty dumb, leapfrogging into and out of divisions.

some people age better then others jones jrs age simply caught up with him

he should have known that this would happen, he did it on his own will even after objection from ppl close to him..so i guess he has to pay the price now,..it did effect his body, but considering roy's talent he shouldn't have fallen to tarver or johnson, it wasn't the weight problem, it was heart problem, he lost his heart somewhere down the road. I have heard that money does this to you.

he should have known that this would happen, he did it on his own will even after objection from ppl close to him..so i guess he has to pay the price now,..it did effect his body, but considering roy's talent he shouldn't have fallen to tarver or johnson, it wasn't the weight problem, it was heart problem, he lost his heart somewhere down the road. I have heard that money does this to you.
he lost his heart way before Tarver.

RJJ lost his legs when he came down from HW. I'm not sure if he got weaker, older or if he thought he could handle punches better. Bottom line, he lost his legs and got dropped after his stint at HW.

anybody at 34 who gains 30 pounds of muscle like roy did for the ruiz fight...then loses it will be affected...he didnt lose 30 pounds..but 30 pounds of muscle he lost muscle mass and it probably did mess up his oxygen thats why he fights slow and tired now

Maybe in the first fight against Tarver. But after that there was no excuse.

probably didn't help him not being geared up to the eyeballs too

It effected him of course. The weight loss is a factor and also his china chin.

Lack of ballz and a chin is what happened! He didnt gain that much weight to goto heavy as he was weighted down in that weigh-in! He just got schooled plain and simple

Lack of ballz and a chin is what happened! He didnt gain that much weight to goto heavy as he was weighted down in that weigh-in! He just got schooled plain and simple



His china chin was finally exposed.

ack of ballz and a chin is what happened! He didnt gain that much weight to goto heavy as he was weighted down in that weigh-in! He just got schooled plain and simple

Wow...talk about a hater.

Consider your opinion ignored and invalid.

I believe Antonio Tarver's left cross effected him.

yea he should have never done that... he should be fighting vitali right now... har har...

I believe Antonio Tarver's left cross effected him.

Definitely. However, I also think without having lost the weight and without having been 35, Roy never would have had to deal with that, but, they ALL fall sometime.

All of the greatest boxers eventually fell...Ali, and Robinson was never the same when he came back down from light-heavyweight to fight at middleweight again.

Definitely. However, I also think without having lost the weight and without having been 35, Roy never would have had to deal with that, but, they ALL fall sometime.

All of the greatest boxers eventually fell...Ali, and Robinson was never the same when he came back down from light-heavyweight to fight at middleweight again.
I was watching Jones-Griffin I, and Jones does have trouble with counter punchers. Being that Tarver is a bigger puncher and better defender than Griffin, I think in Jones' prime Tarver would've beaten him. Tarver just seems to have his number. You can't pitch Class C Ball in Albuquerque, and then go and start in the World Series.

I think in Jones' prime Tarver would've beaten him. Tarver just seems to have his number. You can't pitch Class C Ball in Albuquerque, and then go and start in the World Series.

I don't neccesarily think Tarver defends better than Griffin in his prime, and it wasn't only Griffin's style or being a counter-puncher that gave Jones problems. Griffin's extremely awkward movment also made him difficult.

Toney was a counter-puncher and Jones dominated him. Griffin got Ko'd in the rematch with ferocity and was near it in the first match.

Tarver would NOT beat Roy in his prime as easily as he seemed to recently. Roy beat Tarver after the Ruiz fight while looking just plain exhausted (although very close fight), and Jones won the first round vs Tarver in the rematch being the aggressor and simply got caught due to his advanced age, the significant punishment he took in the first Tarver fight, and the damage done by coming back down in weight made him less able to defend himself.

Tarver's being a southpaw had an effect, but that effect was played out. Jones has dominated plenty of southpaws. If Tarver was anything special Johnson would not have KO'd Jones later on.

Prime Roy Jones uses a lot more foot movement than that of late, plain and simple. Tarver is not the "world-series" when it comes to boxers either. That's why he got beat (although a good close fight) to a 34-35 yr old Glen Johnson. You do not drop a decision to a guy like Johnson if you are the "world-series" of boxing.

And just for anyone who thinks that the weight-loss is just a lousy excuse, refer not only to performance but to the following photos and it's obvious that Roy did something unwise in coming down in weight, something that Tarver was able to take advantage of.

Jones after defeating Ruiz.
http://www.boxing.de/all_images/im856.jpg

Jones at the weigh-in for Tarver.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/images/9_11_2003_MDF03338.jpg

like i've mentioned too before you can't discount the steroid issue either cos if he was geared up still 'like the good ole days' then he would of been alot stronger coming down to 175, but the weight loss surely must of counted against him too, the difference is those two pics is quite revealing

People try to connect Balco and Roy but unlike Shane Mosley and Barry Bonds, Roy lives in the "semi-boonies" on the outskirts of Pensacola and not near Balco in California.

There are ways to test positive for steroids without actually having taken them. However, I am open minded to the idea that he could have taken them, but, even so, many people argue steroids do not help boxers much if at all, and others argue that they actually hurt boxers.

In any case, steroids is a whole other complicated issue. We could make a whole new thread on that...lol. :eek:

Toney was a counter-puncher and Jones dominated him. Griffin got Ko'd in the rematch with ferocity and was near it in the first match.

Toney was woefully out of shape for the Jones fight. Toney was 217 when he went into training camp 6 weeks before the fight. He put on 20 lbs. over night for the Jones fight.

Tarver's being a southpaw had an effect, but that effect was played out. Jones has dominated plenty of southpaws. If Tarver was anything special Johnson would not have KO'd Jones later on.

I suppose Richard Hall is the World Series, right?
Tarver is not the "world-series" when it comes to boxers either. That's why he got beat (although a good close fight) to a 34-35 yr old Glen Johnson. You do not drop a decision to a guy like Johnson if you are the "world-series" of boxing.

And you don't get KO'ed by them either, right?
Karma would be appreciated.

when you have a glass chin eventually it will catch up to you.

Toney was woefully out of shape for the Jones fight. Toney was 217 when he went into training camp 6 weeks before the fight. He put on 20 lbs. over night for the Jones fight.

That may be, but, Jones lost muscle to fight Tarver and that has longer term damage, so that logic also applies to Roy after his fall from heavyweight.

I suppose Richard Hall is the World Series, right?

Is this supposed to be a comeback? I'm just showing my point of view. Richard Hall certainly isn't the world series, and neither is Tarver, ya dig?

And you don't get KO'ed by them either, right?

Don't ignore the context of the situation. Roy was KO'd after 9 rounds in his probable last fight as a pro at age 35 having already gone through hell with Tarver. Tarver is in his prime and lost to Johnson. Tarver went pro in 1997, Jones in 88-89.

There really is no legitimate reason to say prime Tarver beats prime Roy in my opinion...and what kind of karma were you expecting from me anyway? I don't agree with you obviously, but I do not want to give you bad karma, so I'll just leave it be.

Roy Jones was one of those guys whose career was all about stats, kind of like "Look, I won 40 fights without a loss, I could beat Ray Robinson." I don't respect Roy Jones as a fighter. I think he was very talented, but at Tarver's stage of his career he has the better opposition than Jones.

Do you mean to say that if you compared Tarver's first 23 fights (or however many he has) with Roy's first 23 or so that Tarver's resume is better?

Roy's career wasn't all about stats either. However, if you choose not to respect him, that's fine, he is a grown man and doesn't really need your respect I'm sure. He did come down to fight Tarver, he did challange Ruiz, and those were things he didn't have to do.

Roy's career being about stats is mainly a matter of circumstance in my opinion because there just aren't many good fighters in the light-heavyweight division. That's what Tarver/Johnson will see...now that they are champ, they'll have no one to fight but each other. Hell, it wasn't even worth seeing Jones-Tarver until Jones was 35.

Roy Jones' legacy is based on conditions, which is sad. True, he won a portion of the heavyweight title, but beat John Ruiz for the belt instead of Lennox Lewis. Are you going to tell me that in all his infinite influence, he couldn't have gotten Lennox Lewis?

Roy Jones' legacy is based on conditions, which is sad.

What does that mean exactly? Explain.

Also, it's not up to just one man to make a fight. Lennox never showed he wanted to fight Roy, and I can understand why...high risk, not as much reward.

Are you a Roy "hater"? How much do you dislike Roy? I'm just wondering because you are a major Hamed fan it seems and I could tak some mad **** about him if I wanted to, but I don't.

What does that mean exactly? Explain.

Also, it's not up to just one man to make a fight. Lennox never showed he wanted to fight Roy, and I can understand why...high risk, not as much reward.

Are you a Roy "hater"? How much do you dislike Roy? I'm just wondering because you are a major Hamed fan it seems and I could tak some mad **** about him if I wanted to, but I don't.
I talk the most **** about Hamed. I'm not a Roy Jones hater, I just don't like how Jones is making all these excuses about how he lost weight and that made him lose. Jones says hes better than Tarver because he won the first round, all this bull****. I think Roy Jones is not as good as people say he was. He was the best of his generation, but he didn't fight the top fighters he should've. He was p4p the best only after Whitaker's loss to DLH.

lol..ok then.

Still, Roy's legacy isn't sad at all in my opinion. He moved up in weight and foguth guys that were bigger. Those excuses you are talking about are legitimate. They are not false just because Roy says them.

Also, this thing about Roy saying he's better cuz he won the first round...I never heard Roy say that. In any case, Roy was better than Tarver, make no mistake, but these days I'd lean towards no obviously. Roy's lack of strong opposition is a partiallya combonation of the fact that there just simply weren't that many good light-heavyweights to choose from.

As far as the 2nd Tarver fight goes, I don't remember if he said anything about the weight, but for me it doesn't matter because anything after heavyweight Roy was a changed and depleted man, perhaps mentally as well as physically.

"The best of his generation" is pretty fair though...

I think his getting old and being passed his prime figured in there somewhere as well. ;)

He developed more hobbies, and in turn stopped training as much, and fitting time into those other hobbies.

His rap, for instance, he spent lots of time on. Probably five years before that he was spending that time doing bag work or something, now he's in a recording studio with his homeboys doin their thing, and if youve ever known an up and coming music artist and visited them in the studio while they had studio time..Weed is gonna get smoked in this place. I mean that's how it goes, they blaze up and record their ****, I wouldn't doubt it if Roy's entourage had a quick sack Roy probably smoked it up with them.

compare what roy probably did before that tarver fight to what marvin hagler did before his fights. Hagler would put himself in isolation and do all kinds of training, and become a bloodthirsty mutant before his fights. Jones would stay at home, hit the bag/shadowbox, and play around with his rap

isn't like roy has a bad life. he gets first row seats at every hbo fight, has a cool job and commentates on boxing, (but I can see the nervousness in roy's voice when he interacts with Jim Lampley, as if he is trying not to screw up and get booted off. )

I just saw Ruiz Vs Jones last night definitely the weight loss in the Tarver I fight was a factor,second a very clean chin shot and the glen loss was more mentally than physically.You see Jones took well a lot of Ruiz right hands the same hands that almost knock out holyfield,kd Kirk,Ko Oquendo and hurt Rahaman so no way in the hell the guy had a glass chin.I bet Ruiz's punches are far stronger than Tarver's and Glen's and Roy took them well.

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I Believe it pretty much ended his career

Like all fighters when they age and are past their primes they tend to lose there quick reflexes and thats exactly what happened to Jones. I agree that losing 30 lbs from one fight to the next definately has it reprocussions and a big effect on stamina as well as speed but age also had quite a bit to do with it. I think he should return in for a rubber match against Tarver because there are so many critics out there who want to hate Jr but because of his great career they cant and since his past 2 loses they can count him out. Well let me tell you count him back in because he can do it no problem.

I think it definately affected him in a negative way...and by no means am I a Roy Jones Jr fan at all...

after watching super size me convinced me that they way inwhich roy jones lost his weight had a major effect on him. Man I can't imagine losing that much muscle weight in that short a period time, I can understand burning the fat off but dropping all that muscle can't be good.

Like all fighters when they age and are past their primes they tend to lose there quick reflexes and thats exactly what happened to Jones. I agree that losing 30 lbs from one fight to the next definately has it reprocussions and a big effect on stamina as well as speed but age also had quite a bit to do with it. I think he should return in for a rubber match against Tarver because there are so many critics out there who want to hate Jr but because of his great career they cant and since his past 2 loses they can count him out. Well let me tell you count him back in because he can do it no problem.
Another Great Thread from Last year!
Good One :rolleyes:


DUH

He stopped training and focused too much on stuff outside the ring and it showed when he got in to the ring. I mean he said it himself that he lost his hunger after winning the belt..