View Full Version : NWO: Paul Williams


MurderDeathKill
05-10-2010, 10:08 PM
We all know Paul's deal; wants to fight anybody/everybody at 147-160. Still on that "most feared" thing, make of that what you will. Decent chin, crazy volume, great stamina, decent boxing skills. Avenged his lone loss violently. Has some names on his resume:

Mitchell (147)
Margarito (147)
Quintana (147)
Phillips (154)
Wright (160)
Martinez (160)
*Cintron (154)

I think at his best, he can beat everybody in his desired weight classes if he got the chance. I just don't see him going back to 147 and being strong by now. He's still screaming for Pac or Floyd, and I don't think he'll ever get either. His best bet is going after belts at MW or JMW imo.

Are you a Williams fan?
Who do you want him to fight next?
Who all can he beat?
How do you rate his resume and ability?
Will he go far in boxing, or will he falter?

What's NWO members' take on this guy?

Spray_resistant
05-11-2010, 12:54 AM
I like Paul, he makes for entertaining fights.

Too bad things went the way they did with him Saturday, its not really his fault but him not getting that MW title shot is.

He got too greedy and isn't the big star he thinks he is to command a 50/50 split with Pavlik and as a result ended up watching a guy he got a close decision over win the MW title.

Walt Liquor
05-11-2010, 09:29 AM
I think at his best, he can beat everybody in his desired weight classes if he got the chance.I agree I just don't see him going back to 147 and being strong by nowHe weighed in at 152 for the Cintron fight, if he says he can, why not beilieve him? Everyone thinks he can't make it but he has never proved otherwise. He's still screaming for Pac or Floyd, and I don't think he'll ever get eitherAgreed. His best bet is going after belts at MW or JMW imo. Agreed

Are you a Williams fan? Huge Williams fan, love his style and willingness to fight
Who do you want him to fight next?Cintron, Angulo, Williams, Sturm, Foreman if he wins, Dzidurek if he looks good in his next fight
Who all can he beat?All of the above, I really want him to fight sergio, even money fight
How do you rate his resume and ability?Excellent for who he's been able to get in the ring with, needs to get his hands back faster. Arms are too long to box and work inside, needs to keep up his volume punching style
Will he go far in boxing, or will he falter?He has to win because Goosen has done a horrible job of promoting him. He's a fan friendly fighter who has no fanbase. Terrible.

What's NWO members' take on this guy?

please see my answers in the bold.

Clyde Barrow
05-11-2010, 03:22 PM
We all know Paul's deal; wants to fight anybody/everybody at 147-160. Still on that "most feared" thing, make of that what you will. Decent chin, crazy volume, great stamina, decent boxing skills. Avenged his lone loss violently. Has some names on his resume:

Mitchell (147)
Margarito (147)
Quintana (147)
Phillips (154)
Wright (160)
Martinez (160)
*Cintron (154)

I think at his best, he can beat everybody in his desired weight classes if he got the chance. I just don't see him going back to 147 and being strong by now. He's still screaming for Pac or Floyd, and I don't think he'll ever get either. His best bet is going after belts at MW or JMW imo.

Are you a Williams fan?
Who do you want him to fight next?
Who all can he beat?
How do you rate his resume and ability?
Will he go far in boxing, or will he falter?

What's NWO members' take on this guy?

No reason not to like Williams. He's always fun to watch and he's hungry to fight the best.

I want to see that damn Martinez rematch next. Pavlik's out of the picture and Cintron doesn't want it, so lets see that rematch.

I pick Paul over everybody except Martinez 147-160.

Paul's resume is pretty good. He's beaten all the names he's faced decisively, sans Martinez. And the Winky and Phillips he beat might have been old, but were still game. The Quintana loss is excusable and he avenged it.

Paul's a volume puncher, nothing more. I don't rate him highly as far as technical skills. He's not bad technically, but he's not that good either. He does his business by throwing a ton of punches, and that works just fine.

If Paul goes to 154, he can get hot. Lots of good fights there that can elevate him to higher status. He isn't getting the big stars, so the best he can do is just win exciting fights vs good fighters. I think Williams will be a star for a while.

Bloody$Nate$
05-13-2010, 03:56 AM
I don't think he's the "most feared" fighter anymore after barely taking the Martinez fight, and after Cintron rocked him. I agree he has at least the potential to beat anybody from 147-160. He could probably even beat guys at Super Middleweight. But I think he gets too reckless sometimes. Like said above he also needs to bring his hands back faster because that will be his downfall as you saw Cintron light him up with that huge right before the fall.

Are you a Williams fan? I wouldn't say I'm a big fan(probably because of burner) but I definitely enjoy watching him fight and like his talent. Love his potential.

Who do you want him to fight next? Martinez rematch, Pavlik finally, Angulo, Cintron, Margarito, or Cotto all suit me. Plenty of fights to build an amazing legacy on if he fought the majority of them.

Who all can he beat? Anybody as long as he doesn't get too reckless. He has an amazing amount of potential.

How do you rate his resume and ability? I give his pure skills a high B or a low A. But with his height & reach I think it takes him to a whole new level. His resume so far is great for how many fights and how old he is. When he's done, he has the possibility of having an incredibly sick resume if he put down guys like Martinez again, Pavlik, and maybe Cotto. Wouldn't mind a try at Floyd either.

Will he go far in boxing, or will he falter? Depends. If he gets reckless with a guy like Cintron like he did, he'll get rocked like he did, and/or fall slip and trip him out of the ring again hahaha but yeah if he gets reckless with a heavy hitter, he's been seen rocked but we might see him get put out. As long as he stays in control this guy could be an all time great just because of all the great possible fights out there. Can't wait til he fights Kirkland!!!

TheManniePhresh
05-13-2010, 03:58 AM
please see my answers in the bold.

who is that fine ass girl in your picture?

Walt Liquor
05-13-2010, 10:23 AM
who is that fine ass girl in your picture?

elke the satallion

Clegg
05-18-2010, 12:58 PM
Are you a Williams fan?

Not really. I don't dislike him, but when I wasn't able to see his last fight live I wasn't too put out and wouldn't have minded if he'd lost.

Who do you want him to fight next?

Martinez should be his priority. Dzinziruk should be plan B. He won't get the top welterweights.

Who all can he beat?

I think he'd have real problems with Floyd, Pac, Dzinziruk, Martinez, Pavlik, Cintron and possibly Foreman. I think about half or more of those names beat him. He'd probably beat the rest from 147-160.

How do you rate his resume and ability?

Pretty good. Not one of the very best in the world based upon ability, but a resume that's top 10. He was fortunate to win both of his last two fights and I don't regard Quintana as all that great. Cotto and Berto both had far less problems with him than Williams did, and the FRKO in the rematch doesn't erase that bad performance and the obvious flaws it exposed.

Will he go far in boxing, or will he falter?

I think he'll falter sooner rather than later.

Stab Judah
05-23-2010, 05:05 AM
Are you a Williams fan?
Who do you want him to fight next?
Who all can he beat?
How do you rate his resume and ability?
Will he go far in boxing, or will he falter?

I am a fan.
i think he can beat anyone but Pac & maybe Marg as welter right now.

Resume could be better/ ability he need to stop fighting down to level. He seems the type who will not train and get beat by some no name but has the skills to beat the best when motivated.

It's all up to him, see above^^
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I don't understand the hate for this guy.
He's a skilled boxer ok power fights the fights we want to see as far as what he can get at this point and is not afraid to take risk.

Sooooooooo what's the problem?

tech101
05-26-2010, 09:19 PM
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Clyde Barrow
06-05-2010, 06:36 AM
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:dunce: WTF is this ****?

TheManniePhresh
06-05-2010, 06:39 AM
hes pretty good if can make welterweight effectively still that would throw a mojor wrench in pac or mayweather claiming they are the best. and he beat margarito back in his plaster of paris days

Clyde Barrow
07-02-2010, 08:40 PM
So what the hell is he doing? Back to WW for one of the beltholding stiffs or Berto?

Clyde Barrow
07-09-2010, 05:18 PM
I see Martinez is looking for a Williams rematch in October. Williams ought to do that instead of wasting his time begging for fights at 147 that will never happen. Still prefer he fights at 154, but this rematch needs to happen. Let's hope Williams doesn't get too greedy.

MurderDeathKill
07-11-2010, 07:30 PM
I see Martinez is looking for a Williams rematch in October. Williams ought to do that instead of wasting his time begging for fights at 147 that will never happen. Still prefer he fights at 154, but this rematch needs to happen. Let's hope Williams doesn't get too greedy.

Now he wants to brush off Martinez to pursue a Pac fight at 147 that won't ever happen. I like Williams but he's being a damn fool.

LeeVanCleef
07-13-2010, 05:19 AM
I don't know what to think of Williams challenging Pacquiao, it makes him look like a bully looking for the smallest kid to pick on.

:lame:

MANGLER
07-22-2010, 03:14 AM
I like Pwill. Dude is always gonna fight his ass off every time. But he ****ed up big time when he balked and had to watch Sergio get to Pavlik first. The Martinez rematch is still the logical choice for him right now. He's a damn fool for thinkin Pac or Floyd will fight him at WW. I been screamin for the longest that he belongs at 154, and I think he cleans up there if he ever decides to try it. If he ain't gonna rematch Martinez for whatever reason, he better go to JMW.

Pwill uses his feet and knows how to clinch, but he still ain't too good a boxer. He needs better defense if he gonna beat Martinez in the rematch, assumin it happens. He maintains his height most of the time, but his chin can be dented by a good puncher when he gives it up. His res at this point looks pretty good. I wasn't surprised to see him struggle wit Cintron in that fight while it lasted. I think Pwill got belts in his future, but I don't see him risin to the superstar level.

Clegg
07-22-2010, 04:04 AM
I think him and his handlers have made mistakes.

They left 147 to prove that they could be a threat at 154 and 160. Now they have a shot at the MW champ available to them, they're saying they want to go back and fight at 147? Crazy way to do things.

I don't like Arum or GBP, but if he was with one of them his career would be in a better place right now.

On the one hand he talks like he's avoided and is willing to fight anyone. But then when he has people like Clottey and Dzinziruk chasing him he isn't interested. I hear people say stuff like 'HBO rejected the fight', but PWill fought on Versus since being on HBO, Cotto, Pavlik and JMM have fought on independent PPVs in recent years, and Juanma just moved to Showtime, so I think something could've been worked out.

The fact is that some guys are big stars and can pick and choose, but the other 99.9% of boxers have to take tough fights for not-great paydays sometimes. I see him the same way I see Bradley, hopping up and down divisions in a futile attempt to get the attention of the big names rather than picking a weightclass and beating everyone there.

If Paul had stayed at 154 back in 2008, he could've been a unified or even undisputed champion now. As it is, Cotto and the Pac/Marg winner are gonna have belts there and Williams is still in the same position he was in 2 years ago. Part of that is because of boxing politics, but it's not the only factor. PWill's career is being mismanaged and him not rematching Martinez now is another part of that.

Clyde Barrow
12-02-2010, 08:05 PM
Well well, Sergio shut this one down eh? Not a brutal beatdown that ruins a man, but Williams had to have lost a lot of confidence in that KO. I suspect it's going to be a while before he fights a name again.

size15shoe
12-03-2010, 04:44 PM
We all know Paul's deal; wants to fight anybody/everybody at 147-160. Still on that "most feared" thing, make of that what you will. Decent chin, crazy volume, great stamina, decent boxing skills. Avenged his lone loss violently. Has some names on his resume:

Mitchell (147)
Margarito (147)
Quintana (147)
Phillips (154)
Wright (160)
Martinez (160)
*Cintron (154)

I think at his best, he can beat everybody in his desired weight classes if he got the chance. I just don't see him going back to 147 and being strong by now. He's still screaming for Pac or Floyd, and I don't think he'll ever get either. His best bet is going after belts at MW or JMW imo.

Are you a Williams fan?
Who do you want him to fight next?
Who all can he beat?
How do you rate his resume and ability?
Will he go far in boxing, or will he falter?

What's NWO members' take on this guy?

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Are you a Williams fan?

I am a fan, he's one of my favorites in the game. And ive met him a few times here in his hometown. Most peeps probably dont know (or care) but he's really cool dude.

Who do you want him to fight next?

Get a warm-up, Andy Kolle type fight. After that, maybe go after someone like Spinks, then Joel Julio, then Angulo. If he beats Angulo (and i think he can), try to fight Dzizdzrick (i butchered that dudes name, no disrespect to him tho) for the 154lb title. Then he should try to unify a couple 154lb titles, fight Cintron again and then move up to 160lbs in a couple of years and stay there; 147lbs wouldnt do him any good unless he happens to grab a big fight.

Who all can he beat?

I wont count 147lbs, mainly because I doubt he will ever get a fight there again. I do think he can beat all the top fighters at 154lbs, including Cotto and Angulo. Ive heard that Dzizdrick is really good, but ive never seen Dzizdrick fight, so I cannot comment on him. At 160lbs, I think he could still give all of the fighters there a good run and beat most of them. His biggest problem is keeping his hands up. Until he does that consistently, he will always be at risk for getting KO'd at higher weights against strong fighters.

How do you rate his resume and ability?

His resume is pretty good; not stellar, but for someone who had some issues getting fights at 147lbs, then moving up in weight as fast as he did, its pretty good. Obviously the Kelly Pavlik fight would have looked good on there, as well as the Cotto fight some people were clamoring for after William's first title win at 147lbs. I think he will have some really solid names on his resume going forward tho, including (just a hunch): Spinks, Julio, Angulo, Cotto, Martyrosan, Cintron II, Martinez III, Sturm and Dzizdruik.

Honestly, Ive always thought of Paul as a good fighter who has a definite, glaring defensive lack. But he has incredible stamina, heart, pretty good handspeed, decent combos, somewhat light power and a good chin.

Will he go far in boxing, or will he falter?

I think he will have a really good career. He may not reach Pacman or Mayweather type status as far as $$ or star power, but I think he will definitely be a crowd and fan favorite until he decides to hang the gloves up. As far as where he will end up, I think he will win multiple titles at 154lbs and 160lbs. He may, way later in his career, try to move up to 168lbs (although i dont see it happening), and there is no way in hell he will go up to 175lbs like some people think. The only way I see him faltering is if he decided to stay at 147lbs, because I seriously doubt he could get that big $$ fight he is seeking, and I doubt most 147lb fighters would want to regularly get in the ring with him.

Bastian Loc
12-03-2010, 05:58 PM
lmao............

MurderDeathKill
12-07-2010, 01:50 PM
Williams chances to be a star are history now. He took a lot of punishment in the first fight with Martinez. He looked shaky against Cintron before the guy took a dive. And now Martinez knocked him the **** out. No more names at 160, Cotto's not gonna fight him, doubtful Chavez Jr or Alvarez would fight him. Angulo's out too. It's gonna be a long road back. Maybe Foreman can be a rebound opponent for him. It's a fight a lesser guy might take at 154 or 160 since Williams don't look so dangerous anymore.

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12-07-2010, 10:42 PM
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MANGLER
12-22-2010, 02:36 AM
I like Pwill, but I enjoyed seein him get KTFO. He acted like he ain't want nothin to do wit Marty in a rematch, despite that bein the best fight he could get. Then a wackass catchweight.

After that KO, he goin the Cotto route; probably gonna beat up on journeymen for 2 or 3 fights.