Fighting Wlad right now is a terrible idea, and Haye will not be at his potential best if it happens this year.

If I was managing Haye this is how I would map out his next 4 fights, assuming he retires at 31.

September 2010: Haye(Age 29) vs Adamek(Age 33)

If Haye can force his will on a technical boxer like Adamek, then he'll be one step closer to getting ready for a BIG technical boxer in Wlad.

March 2011: Haye(Age 30) vs Vitali Klitschko(Age 39)

Haye will knock Vitali out. Vitali's last four opponents had one thing in common: All were all SLOW(Arreola, Peter, Gomez, Johnson). The last "fast" puncher that Vitali faced was an old Corrie Sanders, and he almost stopped Vit in round one. Notice how K2 changed their stance on which brother gets Haye after the Ruiz fight ...They know too.

August 2011: Haye(Age 30) vs Top American in Las Vegas

This will be a great way to get Haye acclimated with American fans. They will know him from the Vitali fight and if Haye can get a decent name like BJ Flores on the card it can possibly go PPV. But above all else its a pause from fighting angry brothers back to back.


April 2012: Haye(Age 31) vs Wladimir Klitsckho(Age 36)

By this point Haye will be in his Prime, and Wlad will have begun to slow down a bit. If they fought today, Id give the edge to Wlad, but with proper experience, Haye destroys him in 5 rounds.

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:nono: You've always said in the past that Wlad is a bum.

If that's what you believe, then why do you want Haye to avoid him until Wlad is past prime?

He's as good as he'll ever be. If he hasn't sorted his chin, stamina and defensive flaws out by now he never will.

:nono: You've always said in the past that Wlad is a bum.

If that's what you believe, then why do you want Haye to avoid him until Wlad is past prime?

Wlad will still be very effective at age 36, I dont think he will change much in 2 years. My main point is that David Haye will be better if he gets more fights under his belt.

Imagine if green Wladimir faced a prime Lennox after only 24 fights? Wlad would get Golata'd in the first round, and we'd never hear from him again!

Fighters like Povetkin and Haye should be allowed to face each other before stepping to the champion. They should be allowed to develop at there own pace like Wlad did in the late 90's.

He's as good as he'll ever be. If he hasn't sorted his chin, stamina and defensive flaws out by now he never will.

Haye just moved up in weight classes 3 fights ago! Even Holyfield was allowed 5 matches at heavyweight before facing Buster Douglas.

Haye already has the two things you can't teach: Speed and Punching Power.

His stamina and defense can be improved with training and experience.

I guess the question could be asked: Why does Adamek qualify for a shot at Hayes WBA title? Who has he fought to get that privilege? Yet you by the same token want to deny Haye a crack at either of the Klitchkos? If Haye is too green to fight the K brothers, why is Adamek not green to get a shot at Haye?

Lol, this thread is hilarious. You, who are one of the biggest Klitschko haters on this board, and are always talking **** and calling them bums, now say that Haye needs more fights? :rofl:

I know it's obvious that Haye will get destroyed by Wlad, but at least take it with some dignity.

Fighters like Povetkin and Haye should be allowed to face each other before stepping to the champion.
But Haye only fights HWs who are past age 36: Barrett, Valuev, and Ruiz. Povetkin, Arreola, Chambers, Peter and Adamek are in their prime, Haye will avoid them.

They should be allowed to develop at there own pace like Wlad did in the late 90's.

Wlad was age 21 when he won Olympic Gold, and just age 24 when he won his first world heavyweight title. He had 14 fights in 1997.

Haye is nearly age 30, he's at his peak NOW.

I guess the question could be asked: Why does Adamek qualify for a shot at Hayes WBA title? Who has he fought to get that privilege? Yet you by the same token want to deny Haye a crack at either of the Klitchkos? If Haye is too green to fight the K brothers, why is Adamek not green to get a shot at Haye?

Adamek's win over Arreola is more impressive than any of Haye's wins.

Adamek's win over Arreola is more impressive than any of Haye's wins.


I totally agree with that. No Monte Barret's for Adamek, straight into a guy that is a known big puncher and top ten HW.


I'm looking forward to Booth announcing a date in the Summer for Wlad Haye in Germany. Of course Haye vs Harrison is a tad more likely.

I guess the question could be asked: Why does Adamek qualify for a shot at Hayes WBA title? Who has he fought to get that privilege? Yet you by the same token want to deny Haye a crack at either of the Klitchkos? If Haye is too green to fight the K brothers, why is Adamek not green to get a shot at Haye?

Adamek has 3 fights at Heavyweight,

Haye has 4 fights at Heavyweight

Wlad has 57 fights at Heavyweight.

The reason Haye vs Adamek should happen is because they both are on the brink of becoming great HWs and the winner of that fight will produce a strong, seasoned opponent for Klitschko.

But Haye only fights HWs who are past age 36: Barrett, Valuev, and Ruiz.

All of the above are bigger, taller, with higher KO% than Eddie Chambers.

All of the above were more exciting than Wlads last 3 fights respectively.

I guess the question could be asked: Why does Adamek qualify for a shot at Hayes WBA title? Who has he fought to get that privilege? Yet you by the same token want to deny Haye a crack at either of the Klitchkos? If Haye is too green to fight the K brothers, why is Adamek not green to get a shot at Haye?

because he accomplished more than Haye has at HW when he beat Arreola.

All of the above are bigger, taller, with higher KO% than Eddie Chambers.

All of the above were more exciting than Wlads last 3 fights respectively.

He isn't old as hell, he's a much better boxer than any of those 3 ever were, has a solid chin. I'd pick Chambers to outbox Haye.

Make the fight already, if he wins then great I love him more than I do already and he becomes the man at heavywieght. If not then he lives to fight another day...

Make the fight already, if he wins then great I love him more than I do already and he becomes the man at heavywieght. If not then he lives to fight another day...

he doesnt actually, he said hes retiring if he loses

because he accomplished more than Haye has at HW when he beat Arreola.



He isn't old as hell, he's a much better boxer than any of those 3 ever were, has a solid chin. I'd pick Chambers to outbox Haye.

**** off cunt, Areolla is an obese, hbo hype job with no skill, and he has beaten NOBODY, areolla is NOT A GOOD WIN, its a win over a PROSPECT who has already FAILED.

Valuev was a WORLD CHAMPION, ruiz was a former WORLD CHAMPION, those two are better than fat, AMERICAN HYPE JOB Areolla

Adamek has 3 fights at Heavyweight,

Haye has 4 fights at Heavyweight

Wlad has 57 fights at Heavyweight.

The reason Haye vs Adamek should happen is because they both are on the brink of becoming great HWs and the winner of that fight will produce a strong, seasoned opponent for Klitschko.



All of the above are bigger, taller, with higher KO% than Eddie Chambers.

All of the above were more exciting than Wlads last 3 fights respectively.


I agree with you 100%

Haye has said some dumb stuff, but then again so have a lot of boxers.

For some reason, 90% of people on this site want to see Haye crushed as quickly as possible.

10% of that is the Klitschko fans, who have a good reason to want to see Haye lose, the other 80% is americans, who want someone, anyone to make the division exciting again (as long as it's an american)

they have seen their hype jobs fail miserably, and are jealous, thet the one guy with a good chance of doing it aint an american.

thats what all this Haye hate is you see, JEALOUSY

All of the above are bigger, taller, with higher KO% than Eddie Chambers.
Then why did Haye duck Chambers in the fall of 2008 and instead choose shot old Monte Barrett, who had been KOed by clubfighter Cliff Couser?

All of the above were more exciting than Wlads last 3 fights respectively.
I don't agree. Haye has a sloppy UGLY style, always looking for opportunities to rabbit punch. He stopped both Barrett and Ruiz with punches to the back of the head.

Valuev-Haye was the the most boring fight of 2009, with Haye running like a heavyweight Corey Stinks.

Wlad-Chagaev was a masterful performance by Wlad, a boxing clinic. Wlad-Chambers ended with the KO of the year. Neither Chambers nor Chagaev had ever been knocked down before. :)

Beating man boobs Arreola is nothing special, Wins over Ruiz and Valuev are more impressive (former WORLD champions).

Haye is the biggest fight for the Klitchko's, instead of deadbeat American bums like 'fast eddie':rofl: or man boobs.

Have to agree. Haye should fight Adamek next before one of the brothers. Id like to see how he fairs against a good fighter like Adamek, this would be a REAL test for him at heavyweight before stepping up. Monte, Valuev, Ruiz just dont cut it

instead choose shot old Monte Barrett, who had been KOed by clubfighter Cliff Couser?
Im not going to fault a cruiserweight for choosing Monte Barrett as his first real Heavyweight fight. I know you want me to use the same Crusierweight standard to gauge Wlad's "explosive" competition but it doesn't work like that.

Neither Chambers nor Chagaev had ever been knocked down before. :)

The Chambers match was the most embarrassing display in Wlads career.

Emanuel Steward had to call Wlad a ***** just to get him to open against a hobbit he outweighed by 35 lbs! Eddie is the most feather-fisted Heavyweight of all time next to Kevin Johnson's 9 career kos.

If you think that was a great win then I guess Carl Froch(168) should face Juan Manuel Marquez(135) next. If Froch ends it in the late rounds maybe you'll finally give him credit.

**** off cunt, Areolla is an obese, hbo hype job with no skill, and he has beaten NOBODY, areolla is NOT A GOOD WIN, its a win over a PROSPECT who has already FAILED.

Valuev was a WORLD CHAMPION, ruiz was a former WORLD CHAMPION, those two are better than fat, AMERICAN HYPE JOB Areolla

I disagree. arreola as limited as he is still beats an aging valuev and ruiz

I fear Haye will never be ready for the Klitschkos.

because he accomplished more than Haye has at HW when he beat Arreola.


Adamek's win over Arreola is more impressive than any of Haye's wins.

You guys are 100% correct.

Lets compare their resumes:

Tomasz Adamek

- Chris Arreola
- Jason Estrada
- Andrew Golota
- Johnathan Banks
- Steve Cunningham
- O'Neil Bell
- Paul Briggs x 2

David Haye

- Old shot John "9 losses" Ruiz
- Old shot Valuev (coming off loss to 77 year old shot Holyfield)
- Old shot Barrett (coming off 2nd round KO loss to tomato can
Cliff "21 losses" Couser)
- Glass chinned bum Maccarinelli
- Old shot Mormeck (coming off KO loss to O'Neil Bell)


Tomasz Adamek >>> David Haye

Adamek is the superior fighter and he clearly has the much better resume.

Fight prediction: Adamek by KO

He isn't old as hell, he's a much better boxer than any of those 3 ever were, has a solid chin. I'd pick Chambers to outbox Haye.

Agreed.

Chambers >>> Haye

Then why did Haye duck Chambers in the fall of 2008 and instead choose shot old Monte Barrett, who had been KOed by clubfighter Cliff Couser?


I don't agree. Haye has a sloppy UGLY style, always looking for opportunities to rabbit punch. He stopped both Barrett and Ruiz with punches to the back of the head.

Valuev-Haye was the the most boring fight of 2009, with Haye running like a heavyweight Corey Stinks.

Wlad-Chagaev was a masterful performance by Wlad, a boxing clinic. Wlad-Chambers ended with the KO of the year. Neither Chambers nor Chagaev had ever been knocked down before. :)

Good post bro.

You guys are 100% correct.



David Haye

- Old shot John "9 losses" Ruiz
- Old shot Valuev (coming off loss to 77 year old shot Holyfield)
- Old shot Barrett (coming off 2nd round KO loss to tomato can
Cliff "21 losses" Couser)
- Glass chinned bum Maccarinelli
- Old shot Mormeck (coming off KO loss to O'Neil Bell)


Tomasz Adamek >>> David Haye

Adamek is the superior fighter and he clearly has the much better resume.

Fight prediction: Adamek by KO


Stop contradicting yourself when you talk about age.

If 36 is so damn old, then why couldnt PRIME Vitali(bigger,stronger, faster) handle his business against 38 year old Lennox Lewis?

Is he feather-fisted or something? We all know Lennox isnt known for his Iron jaw....maybe Vitali just sucks at fighting geezers?


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I made this thread because I am honest about Haye just as I am about the Klitschkos.

Im not going to lie about Hayes opposition, and make them out to be lions.

For Example, a poster on here claimed that golfer Corrie Sanders was an ATG fighter just for beating Glass Wlad. That is absurd.

Sanders is a guy who was Ko'd twice before by much stronger boxers such as Nate Tubbs and Hasim Rahman. Corrie is no where near an atg, he is simply from a superior heavyweight era, and schooled Glass Wlad with ease.

LOL what the **** has Arreola ever done really?? the Klit stans act like this is some A grade win. The guy got shut out by VK and won about 3 rounds vs a blow up Crusier who was unable to hurt him even with 2-3 flush shots to the face...

He allmost got knocked out by Travis Walker

He had a brutal fight with a Journeyman and was getting tagged all night in his fight before Adamek..

His best win is an ANCIENT and never that good Mcline

He is just some HBO hype cause he could be the very first Mexican HW champ

He comes into fights vastly overweight and fat

But Haye only fights HWs who are past age 36: Barrett, Valuev, and Ruiz. Povetkin, Arreola, Chambers, Peter and Adamek are in their prime, Haye will avoid them. .

LoL @ that

Arreola is ****

Chambers is a blown up small cruiser with decent skills but NO pop what so ever, he will never be a force at HW even in this terrible era.

Povetkin is hiding in Tony Atlas basement somewhere dude has gone AWOL

Then why did Haye duck Chambers in the fall of 2008 and instead choose shot old Monte Barrett, who had been KOed by clubfighter Cliff Couser?


I don't agree. Haye has a sloppy UGLY style, always looking for opportunities to rabbit punch. He stopped both Barrett and Ruiz with punches to the back of the head.

Valuev-Haye was the the most boring fight of 2009, with Haye running like a heavyweight Corey Stinks.

Wlad-Chagaev was a masterful performance by Wlad, a boxing clinic. Wlad-Chambers ended with the KO of the year. Neither Chambers nor Chagaev had ever been knocked down before. :)

Because everyone at heavyweight has to fight Monte Barett, it's like a rite of passage!

Haye is more than ready for Wladimir. He wont learn anything from any fight that he doesnt already know. He has an extensive amateur career and all Wlad presents is a good jab and clinch. If he can catch Wladimir with a decent amount of power shots he'll knock him out.

Wlad does not have a single impressive victory against a live heavyweight on his resume.

Haye is as good as he ever will be its now or never imo.

I would have to agree, it may seem like he scared of Wlad but I think he should come to the US and get a few fights in down here...THEN fight Wlad, I don't see the rush, he only have what? 3 heavyweight fights under his belt

but if he feels he is ready for Wlad then go for it, but damn the Klitchko's are MONSTERS, it is going to be hard for anyone to beat them

Haye just moved up in weight classes 3 fights ago! Even Holyfield was allowed 5 matches at heavyweight before facing Buster Douglas.

Haye already has the two things you can't teach: Speed and Punching Power.

His stamina and defense can be improved with training and experience.




holyfield wanted to fight more than once a year unlike muppet david

holyfield wanted to fight more than once a year unlike muppet david

Before he was getting injured he was fighting more than once year, I think he would if injuries didn't get in the way, he fought Valuev and Ruiz only 5 months apart

I guess the question could be asked: Why does Adamek qualify for a shot at Hayes WBA title? Who has he fought to get that privilege? Yet you by the same token want to deny Haye a crack at either of the Klitchkos? If Haye is too green to fight the K brothers, why is Adamek not green to get a shot at Haye?

Adamek is a formes cruiserweight champion and has 3 wins at heavyweight, one of them against Arreola whos a Top10 heavyweight, maybe even Top5 after the Klitschkos, Haye and Chambers. So yes i think it would be no shame to let him fight against Haye already. But Haye should fight the Klitschkos NOW, everyone wants to see it, Haye is in his prime and i think it makes no difference if he fought Wlad today or in 2 years. I heard they want to make the fight happen in Oktober, WTF?? They should make it happen in August thats still 3 months away! This fight has to be done now, if Haye steps out again hes a complete joke after all what he said!

Stop contradicting yourself when you talk about age.

If 36 is so damn old, then why couldnt PRIME Vitali(bigger,stronger, faster) handle his business against 38 year old Lennox Lewis?

Is he feather-fisted or something? We all know Lennox isnt known for his Iron jaw....maybe Vitali just sucks at fighting geezers?


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uh,,because his skin obviously wasnt as tough as lewis's. thats the only thing that prevented him from winning that fight

Haye is more than ready for Wladimir. He wont learn anything from any fight that he doesnt already know. He has an extensive amateur career and all Wlad presents is a good jab and clinch. If he can catch Wladimir with a decent amount of power shots he'll knock him out.

Wlad does not have a single impressive victory against a live heavyweight on his resume.

jab and clinch huh? so,,,his 48 ko's came from the jab or the clinch? :twak:

uh,,because his skin obviously wasnt as tough as lewis's. thats the only thing that prevented him from winning that fight

uh, because Lennox obviously wasnt as young as Vitali. Thats the only thing that prevented Vit from getting Golota'd in the 1st round.

We can do these what-ifs all night, but the History will show that Vit was TKO'd in the 6th round by a geezer. It is what it is.

uh, because Lennox obviously wasnt as young as Vitali. Thats the only thing that prevented Vit from getting Golota'd in the 1st round.

We can do these what-ifs all night, but the History will show that Vit was TKO'd in the 6th round by a geezer. It is what it is.

lol,,that geezer was only 37 and was coming off a drubbing of tyson and was a big favorite to beat vitali. he had plenty left in the tank. like I said,,,,his tougher skin prevailed

l like I said,,,,his tougher skin prevailed

Complaining that Lennox has tougher skin is like me complaining Vitali has a taller body. If he knew his face was so fragile, he shouldve blocked more instead of throwing useless haymakers.

ol,,that geezer was only 37 and was coming off a drubbing of tyson and was a big favorite to beat vitali. he had plenty left in the tank.

Everyone knows Lennox psychologically checked out after he accomplished his ultimate goal of defeating Mike Tyson.

Unmotivated, 10 lbs overweight , coming off a year of inactivity....still won.

Meanwhile the active Vitali admitted that he had been preparing for Lennox since the filming of Ocean's 11 in 2000....all that prep and still got pizza faced.

Complaining that Lennox has tougher skin is like me complaining Vitali has a taller body. If he knew his face was so fragile, he shouldve blocked more instead of throwing useless haymakers.


Everyone knows Lennox psychologically checked out after he accomplished his ultimate goal of defeating Mike Tyson.

Unmotivated, 10 lbs overweight , coming off a year of inactivity....still won.

Meanwhile the active Vitali admitted that he had been preparing for Lennox since the filming of Ocean's 11 in 2000....all that prep and still got pizza faced.

yea,,exactly like I said. lewis got the victory because he was fortunate enough to have the tougher skin. vitali actually landed the better cleaner punches for most of the fight. not a complaint,,,just stating the obvious

yea,,exactly like I said. lewis got the victory because he was fortunate enough to have the tougher skin. vitali actually landed the better cleaner punches for most of the fight. not a complaint,,,just stating the obvious

Lewis got the victory because he was fortunate enough to have superior boxing skills.

The biggest, cleanest shot of the night was an uppercut from Lewis: Timing, precision.

The most strategic punches of the night were also landed by Lewis: Lewis targeted the left side of Vitali's face in rounds 4 and 5. The punch stats back this up as 49% of his output were right hands. Lewis's average right hand output is 25% He was obviously looking to bust up Vits face from round 3 on.

Vitali was looking for a KO, but his punches could not put Lennox down. The reason why Rahman succeeded and Vitali failed is because Rahman threw a well-timed haymaker, Vitali was just mindlessly throwing shots hoping for the best

Its not always about quantity, but the quality of the punch.

Lewis got the victory because he was fortunate enough to have superior boxing skills.

The biggest, cleanest shot of the night was an uppercut from Lewis: Timing, precision.

The most strategic punches of the night were also landed by Lewis: Lewis targeted the left side of Vitali's face in rounds 4 and 5. The punch stats back this up as 49% of his output were right hands. Lewis's average right hand output is 25% He was obviously looking to bust up Vits face from round 3 on.

Vitali was looking for a KO, but his punches could not put Lennox down. The reason why Rahman succeeded and Vitali failed is because Rahman threw a well-timed haymaker, Vitali was just mindlessly throwing shots hoping for the best

Its not always about quantity, but the quality of the punch.

uh no,,,,lewis did not land the cleaner punches. its grazing shots that usually cause cuts. lewis was fortunate that vital's skin wasnt as tough as his. unlike against rahman,,,lewis was keeping his hands high. against rahman he was show boating with his hands at his waist. the knockout was inevitable. just as it was against mcall when he walked straight into a punch while trying to throw his own. vitali was giving lewis the boxing lesson. why do you think lennox refused all that $$ for a rematch? he knew a loss would damage his legacy. even his own trainor criticized him for it. lewis luckily won the fight but vitali won the war. end of story

uh no,,,,lewis did not land the cleaner punches. its grazing shots that usually cause cuts. lewis was fortunate that vital's skin wasnt as tough as his. unlike against rahman,,,lewis was keeping his hands high. against rahman he was show boating with his hands at his waist. the knockout was inevitable. just as it was against mcall when he walked straight into a punch while trying to throw his own. vitali was giving lewis the boxing lesson. why do you think lennox refused all that $$ for a rematch? he knew a loss would damage his legacy. even his own trainor criticized him for it. lewis luckily won the fight but vitali won the war. end of story

Lennox says that Vitali's wife comes up to him all the time and begs "Please give my husband a rematch, its all he ever thinks about"

If Vitali won the war, why does that match still torment him?

Lennox can go to sleep every night knowing that he defeated every opponent he ever faced. His Heavyweight legacy is enhanced everytime Vitali wins another fight.