How can a fighter who's fought journeyman opponents for the past 2yrs and has only fought once this year be consider a top3 p4p fighter?The one guy he fought this year was Chop Chop Corley who had already lost to Zab Judah in his previous fight,a fight in which you could see Mayweather Jr in the crowd shouting out advise to his Best Friend Judah.I'm begining to think his management saw something in this Mayweather-Castillo fights because since that fight Mayweathers been getting handpicked opponents.

How can someone who's fought journeyman opponents for the past 2yrs be consider a top3 p4p fighter?


Hopkins is pound for pound. If Trinidad gets him in the rematch he would become pound for pound. I also think that if Barrera beats Pacquiao, he could become #1.

Mayweathers scheduled to fight some guy named Henry Bruseles January 2005.Rarely does a top3 p4p fighter fight a no name,especially at 140 where there are plenty of top known fighters out there to fight.

Mayweathers scheduled to fight some guy named Henry Bruseles January 2005.Rarely does a top3 p4p fighter fight a no name,especially at 140 where there are plenty of top known fighters out there to fight.

Roy Jones has done it several times. In fact Jones fought almost nothing but manditories since he moved up to 175. Even Tarver had to become his manditory before Jones gave him the opportunity.

Roy Jones has done it several times. In fact Jones fought almost nothing but manditories since he moved up to 175. Even Tarver had to become his manditory before Jones gave him the opportunity.


For one,Mayweather doesn't hold a World Title at 140.The Light Heavyweight division wasn't as deep back then like the Jr.Welterweight division is now.Mayweathers fought Ndou,Sosa,Corley and now some guy named Bruseles?Thats gonna be four C-Level opponents in 2yrs and 135-140 is arguably the most talented divisions in boxing today.Mayweather is either a protected fighter or the most avoided one.

Top Rank is just waiting for Gatti before going for anyone else. After Castillo they tried to make the Spadafora fight but it fell through with Spadafora's legal trouble. Ndou and Sosa were just title defenses nothing more nothing less. Corley was just to test the waters at 140 and Bruseles is just to keep him busy with an easy fight as they hope for a Gatti victory over Leija.

Top Rank is just waiting for Gatti before going for anyone else. After Castillo they tried to make the Spadafora fight but it fell through with Spadafora's legal trouble. Ndou and Sosa were just title defenses nothing more nothing less. Corley was just to test the waters at 140 and Bruseles is just to keep him busy with an easy fight as they hope for a Gatti victory over Leija.

Excuses man.If he hasn't been injured,he needs to get his a$$ in the ring if claims to be the best p4p fighter in the World.He spent more time at the Spinks-Judah fight and running his mouth at their Post-fight press conference than he has fighting in the ring this year.Sad

Roy Jones has done it several times. In fact Jones fought almost nothing but manditories since he moved up to 175. Even Tarver had to become his manditory before Jones gave him the opportunity.

thats not true, jones vacated the belts to move up to heavy. tarver was the champion at 175 in the first match. if you remember there was that situation of who gets introduced first.tarver had beaten montell griffin for the vacated belts left behind by jones. the reason the fight happened was because tarver kept going at jones in the media and even showed up to the post fight press conference after jones had won the heavyweight title from john ruiz.

thats not true, jones vacated the belts to move up to heavy. tarver was the champion at 175 in the first match. if you remember there was that situation of who gets introduced first.tarver had beaten montell griffin for the vacated belts left behind by jones. the reason the fight happened was because tarver kept going at jones in the media and even showed up to the post fight press conference after jones had won the heavyweight title from john ruiz.

I know about that but Tarver was Jones manditory before Roy went up to heavyweight. That's why Tarver fought for the vacant belt.

Jpboxer I'm not trying to make excuse I'm just saying what it is. It's Top Rank that's doing it not Mayweather.

i know tarver was jones's mandatory before jones's move to heavy but the jones-tarver match didnt happen because tarver was jones's mandatory but because jones wanted his titles back

i know tarver was jones's mandatory before jones's move to heavy but the jones-tarver match didnt happen because tarver was jones's mandatory but because jones wanted his titles back

Yeah you are right about that.

I don't see your point, JP, Mayweather can't go down in the pound for pound listings just for fighting a fighter who's not fully-established, or isn't an "A-Class" fighter..Fans like you, who just don't want to see the guy up there try to create all kind of reasons and excuses just so he won't be rated so high...This thread should be deleted..

Let's not bring up all the other pound for pound #1's who fought lower class opposition...Face it, man, not every fight a fighter fights is going to be a big fight.

Besides he just entered into the 140lb. division, let him atleast get a good feel of the division before going on to the best the division has to offer.

Hopkins is #1 with Floyd #2

Up and coming boxers bring more veiwers and more enthusiasm to the sport than has beens and fighters that have already been defeated a number of times and already have shown the world their championship rounds. You know that Mayweather has more to show us than most.

Fans like you, who just don't want to see the guy up there try to create all kind of reasons and excuses just so he won't be rated so high...This thread should be deleted..



I'm a true fan unlike you!Who has he beaten in the last 2yrs to be ranked so high on the top p4p List?

1.Sosa - Got KTFO by a true elite 140pounder in Cotto

2.Ndou - Journeyman at best.

3.Corley - After Corley got exposed my PBFs best friend Judah.Possibly handpicked.


You would think he would have atleast fought one World Titlist in the last 2yrs but only has fought 3times against C-Level opposition.Right now,I have Hopkin,Wright,Pacman,Tszyu,Spinks above him.I have Tszyu above him because despite having a long 2yr layoff due to injury,he cameback right off the bat and fought and Kayoed a top notch 140pounder with no tuneups.Mayweather on the other hand has no excuse for being inactive for the past 2yrs and look who he's facing right off the bat,another C-Level no-namer.PATHETIC! Question for Mayweather is,what have you done for the Boxing World Lately?Nada damn thang!Thats what.


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I'm a true fan unlike you!Who has he beaten in the last 2yrs to be ranked so high on the top p4p List?

1.Sosa - Got KTFO by a true elite 140pounder in Cotto

2.Ndou - Journeyman at best.

3.Corley - After Corley got exposed my PBFs best friend Judah.Possibly handpicked.


You would think he would have atleast fought one World Titlist in the last 2yrs but only has fought 3times against C-Level opposition.Right now,I have Hopkin,Wright,Pacman,Tszyu,Spinks above him.I have Tszyu above him because despite having a long 2yr layoff due to injury,he cameback right off the bat and fought and Kayoed a top notch 140pounder with no tuneups.Mayweather on the other hand has no excuse for being inactive for the past 2yrs and look who he's facing right off the bat,another C-Level no-namer.PATHETIC! Question for Mayweather is,what have you done for the Boxing World Lately?Nada damn thang!Thats what.


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Name 3 legit pound for pounders Spinks has faced and beat his entire career, please do the same with Pacman and Wright..

Name 3 legit pound for pounders Spinks has faced and beat his entire career, please do the same with Pacman and Wright..


How bout you name Name 3 legit pound for pounders Mayweather has beat his entire career,LMAO!

Lets talk about the last 2yrs for sec because a true fan doesn't need Boxrec.com to find the 3 p4p fighters Mayweather has beaten in his entire career like you do.

Pacman beat Barrera and had a hard-fought DRAW with Marquez.

Wright beat Mosely twice.

Spinks beat Mayorga and Zab Judah!

Mayweather beat Ndou,Sosa,Corley YAWN! My point exactly

How bout you name Name 3 legit pound for pounders Mayweather has beat his entire career,LMAO!

Lets talk about the last 2yrs for sec because a true fan doesn't need Boxrec.com to find the 3 p4p fighters Mayweather has beaten in his entire career like you do.

Pacman beat Barrera and had a hard-fought DRAW with Marquez.

Wright beat Mosely twice.

Spinks beat Mayorga and Zab Judah!

Mayweather beat Ndou,Sosa,Corley YAWN! My point exactly
I have made alot of threads and post recently about Floyds last few opponents and Floyd's entire resume and his resume is better then all those other fighters you have infront of him in the #for# debate

Hopkins is #1 P4P. I would give Tszyu the # 2 slot just because like Hopkins he's controlled his division.

Mayweather has really not impressed me, only in his fight with Corrales who was wet around the ears. I really wanted to see Mayweather face Casamoyer and Popo. But he never did...then he fought Castillo and got a close decision win, many would argue Castillo won that fight. Then again he beat Castillo but didnt dominate. I think when you look at P4P best, you look for dominating performances.

Mayweather has cleaned out every divison he's been in and has continually gone after and fought the best. I say Mayweather is no less then #2 with Hopkins of course ranked #1.

mayweather just needs to fight someone! please!
i'll give him his props, but **** fight plz!

mayweather just needs to fight someone! please!
i'll give him his props, but **** fight plz!

Could you tell me who he hasn't fought? He fought Corley in his first fight at 140 while Cotto is fighting Randall Bailey who was actually bad enough to lose a lopsided decision to "Chop Chop". Keep on running Gatti but you can't do it forever... :cool:

legal troubles are keeping him off the ring but that doesnt matter, he beat chico, manfredy, castillo and he got a cinvincing wins (except castillo I) is the way he beats these guys, its rare for him to loose a round, lets not forget he started at super featherweight, he could of easily been the undisputed champ and get fights with morales, mab, pacman and beat them IMO.

I'd rather watch Roger'the black mamba ' Mayweather fight.

legal troubles are keeping him off the ring but that doesnt matter, he beat chico, manfredy, castillo and he got a cinvincing wins (except castillo I) is the way he beats these guys, its rare for him to loose a round, lets not forget he started at super featherweight, he could of easily been the undisputed champ and get fights with morales, mab, pacman and beat them IMO.

I think it's safe to add Juko, Chavez, and Hernandez to that list.

I think it's safe to add Juko, Chavez, and Hernandez to that list.



Whatever happen to your Matt Vanda Avatar?LMAO!Haven't seen it since he got KTFO!I Uploaded that clip in the Video Gallery a few months back if your interested in seeing it. :eek:

Whatever happen to your Matt Vanda Avatar?LMAO!Haven't seen it since he got KTFO!I Uploaded that clip in the Video Gallery a few months back if your interested in seeing it. :eek:

Actually you haven't seen me since two months before then but it is true he got KTFO. I was sitting pretty close to ringside for that one and laughed all the way home...What a joke! You should've seen his most recent "win" over 8-2 Patrick Tompson. :rolleyes:


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I joined boxingscene two months before his fight with Garr so at least I'm not an ignorant Vanda fan...fookin idiots those people are!

Mayweather is one of the top doggz in my opinion but he needs to fight more. He has fought some great opponents through his career and has a record to be proud of. Bring on Tszyu or Gatti or Cotto for some amazing fights, out of all those i think Mayweather will have the easiest time with Gatti. Floyd is better in every single was as a dedicated fighter.

Mayweather is one of the top doggz in my opinion but he needs to fight more. He has fought some great opponents through his career and has a record to be proud of. Bring on Tszyu or Gatti or Cotto for some amazing fights, out of all those i think Mayweather will have the easiest time with Gatti. Floyd is better in every single was as a dedicated fighter.

WEZ!!! Where you been my old friend? Good to see you around... :cool:

WEZ!!! Where you been my old friend? Good to see you around... :cool:

:D Hey Vanda i haven't posted as much recently but i always visit here to see whats going down. I was shocked to see you back, i hope everything is cool. You had a longer layoff than me, what happened to you? Your part of the BoxingScene oldsckool possie, we are a rare thing these days. :cool:

:D Hey Vanda i haven't posted as much recently but i always visit here to see whats going down. I was shocked to see you back, i hope everything is cool. You had a longer layoff than me, what happened to you? Your part of the BoxingScene oldsckool possie, we are a rare thing these days. :cool:

I had to take a short layoff to enjoy my sweet three month summer vacation. Currently you can find me wasting away in my dorm room...Go Hatton!

I had to take a short layoff to enjoy my sweet three month summer vacation. Currently you can find me wasting away in my dorm room...Go Hatton!

It's good to chill, keep up the chillin. :D

Hopkins is pound for pound. If Trinidad gets him in the rematch he would become pound for pound. I also think that if Barrera beats Pacquiao, he could become #1.

I agree with you. Hopkins is still the best P4P. Regarding your "ifs", no way Trinidad will beat Hopkins because Hopkins got Trinidad's number. And, there is nothing new in MAB that can make him a winner over Pacman.

How bout you name Name 3 legit pound for pounders Mayweather has beat his entire career,LMAO!

Lets talk about the last 2yrs for sec because a true fan doesn't need Boxrec.com to find the 3 p4p fighters Mayweather has beaten in his entire career like you do.

Pacman beat Barrera and had a hard-fought DRAW with Marquez.

Wright beat Mosely twice.

Spinks beat Mayorga and Zab Judah!

Mayweather beat Ndou,Sosa,Corley YAWN! My point exactly

Corrales, Castillo (x2), and Hernandez..

Corrales, Castillo (x2), and Hernandez..

I've never seen him fight but why do people rate Castillo so highly after the losses on his record?

Likewise Corrales. He's beaten some decent guys but nobody to give him p4p status that I can see.

Roy Jones has done it several times. In fact Jones fought almost nothing but manditories since he moved up to 175. Even Tarver had to become his manditory before Jones gave him the opportunity.
tarver had an opportunity to fight jones earlier in an elimination bout with eric harding. he lost that bout. then it took some time to get his career back on track after he beat harding in the rematch

in terms of pure talent, i would put mayweather over hopkins on the p4p list. but of course, we gotta consider other things too. I think mayweather has the ability to step up his game in the big fights, like he did against corrales. that was a shocking blowout. however, it's absolutely amazing that hopkins can maintain such a high level of performance at his age

Today best P4P - Bernard.

tarver had an opportunity to fight jones earlier in an elimination bout with eric harding. he lost that bout. then it took some time to get his career back on track after he beat harding in the rematch

Yeah but he came back and was the number one contender under two of the sanctioning bodies. This was a year or so before Jones going up to fight Ruiz. That's why he did what he did at the press conference after the Ruiz fight because he thought Jones was ducking him.

I Read That The Mayweather 2005 Fight Is Off. Apparently Hbo Dropped Him Due To Him Being So Undiceded On Who To Fight. I Was Dazing On A Corrales Matchup.who Would Woop His Loudmouth Ass. And If He Is Thinking About 147 Someone Better Sit Him Down For A Talk.

Trinidad or anybody else will not be no 1 p4p . . .while BH is still around . . . not unless he lose 2 consecutive fights or Trinidad beats him convincingly. :D

Corrales, Castillo (x2), and Hernandez..


You have Mayweather higher than Tszyu?

Hurtado, Judah(2rd KO), Mitchell (x2)

How can a fighter who's fought journeyman opponents for the past 2yrs and has only fought once this year be consider a top3 p4p fighter?The one guy he fought this year was Chop Chop Corley who had already lost to Zab Judah in his previous fight,a fight in which you could see Mayweather Jr in the crowd shouting out advise to his Best Friend Judah.I'm begining to think his management saw something in this Mayweather-Castillo fights because since that fight Mayweathers been getting handpicked opponents.
Journeymen? That's a misnomer, I'm afraid. Phillip N'dou was a tough, strong superfeather weight before their fight, and Sosa had given Spadafora his toughtest fight at 135 (this was, of course, before Spadafora-Dorin), and Corley may be on the downside of his career, but he was not by any means a journeyman. Handpicked opponents they may be, but journeymen they are not. A strong 140 pounder is hopefully in the future, though.