View Full Version : Mayweather Will Defeat Tszyu Soundly


Nasty Handspeed
12-04-2004, 01:45 PM
Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather has the exact style to defeat Tsyzu. Mayweather is a defensive genius and I picture him outboxing, outsmarting, outslicking Tsyzu much like the way Pernell Whitaker did to Chavez. The only thing Tszyu has in his favor is his power which can be nullified and counterpunched by a defensive master like Mayweather. Some people talk like Tszyu is unbeatable. I guess they never seen the Vince Phillips fight. The next guy to beat Tszyu is the one man who can thouroughly outbox his azz and that man is Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather. :D

paulmmv
12-04-2004, 02:19 PM
i agree mayweather will defeat tszyu without a doubt

Nasty Handspeed
12-04-2004, 02:24 PM
i agree mayweather will defeat tszyu without a doubt


I cant wait for this fight to happen. This will be a HUGE fight. Prolly the biggest non heavyweight PPV sales. Hopefully Tszyu dont move up to 147. :D

Keleneki
12-04-2004, 02:34 PM
I sure hope this fight happens. Mayweather is probably too skilled defensively for Tszyu.

Nasty Handspeed
12-04-2004, 02:39 PM
I sure hope this fight happens. Mayweather is probably too skilled defensively for Tszyu.



I believe he is. He needs to try to outbox him and not trade power shots, that's the mistake that Mitchell and Judah made. You do not trade blows with a heavy hitter like Tsyzu. You counter punch him and make him miss you with his shots all night long. Mayweather is too smart for him. Too smart.

dansweeney
12-04-2004, 02:42 PM
jose luis castillo gave mayweather the fight of his life. you guys really think that he can take tzsyu's power? no way, he may be on his bicycle for 7 or 8 rounds but eventually he will get caught by the awesome power of tzsyu, mayweather will be exposed for the fraud he is

The Fix
12-04-2004, 02:43 PM
pbf will win this fight but i dont know if its going to be easy

dansweeney
12-04-2004, 02:46 PM
i dont think there is a 140 pounder in the world that can take kostya's power, he hits like a middleweight, i dont know if floyd has the whiskers to take that right hand, even if he rolls away from it, he would have to fight perfectly, i think if one right hand lands solidly on mayweather without him seeing it its over

Nasty Handspeed
12-04-2004, 02:49 PM
pbf will win this fight but i dont know if its going to be easy


It surely wont be easy, it will be the toughest man that Mayweather has faced with out a doubt. But if he sticks to the game plan of trying to outpoint him and not trade with him---then he can do it---but yeah it will be hard.

simeraksou
12-04-2004, 02:54 PM
It surely wont be easy, it will be the toughest man that Mayweather has faced with out a doubt. But if he sticks to the game plan of trying to outpoint him and not trade with him---then he can do it---but yeah it will be hard.

Mayweather would have to fight the way he fought diego corrales. I think mayweather has the skills to do it, but he can't fight the way he did against demarcus corley otherwise he'd be put to sleep

Keleneki
12-04-2004, 02:59 PM
Yup, Mayweather has to stick with a gameplan to win this matchup. I don't think he wants to stand and trade with Kostya, as is is wont to do when his hands are not hurting.

jujitsujn
12-04-2004, 03:02 PM
regardless of the outcome, it will be a tough fight for both.

Nasty Handspeed
12-04-2004, 03:03 PM
Yup, Mayweather has to stick with a gameplan to win this matchup. I don't think he wants to stand and trade with Kostya, as is is wont to do when his hands are not hurting.



make no mistake if PBF does not follow a gameplan and decides to trade with Tszyu he is dead man walking. Tszyu is the most dangerous puncher in that division right now. the thing is I dont think Mayweather is dumb enough to trade with him. therefore Mayweather wins by UD

elveiel
12-04-2004, 03:49 PM
If the fight was tomorrow Tszyu would KO him, no doubt!! Mayweathers got to fill into the weight and thats the only way he will win, at the moment Tszyu hunts him down and Mayweather punching power would do little to stop him!!

Mayweathers a great fighter but he's still has the frame of a super feather.

This will be a good fight late 2005.

MexicanBoxer
12-04-2004, 03:54 PM
I'm sorry i just can't stand Mayweather jr, kOSTA WOULD beat him, to me itb would be boring all i see is mayweather going on his bicycle most of the fight while Kosta is chasing him, if jose luis castillo cuased him trouble a much powerful and skilled boxer would hurt Mayweather.

Nasty Handspeed
12-04-2004, 04:23 PM
Mayweather uses the shoulder roll defense technique and it is incredibly hard to hit a guy who uses that technique, unless you have Roy Jones handspeed which Tszyu does not have. I dont think Tsyzu will be able to land a solid shot on PBF much like the way Chavez could not land one on Whitaker. If you cant hit a guy and he is countering you-you will get ouitpointed. :D

jack_the_rippuh
12-04-2004, 04:29 PM
People talk about Mayweather never facing anyone as talented as Tsyzu, but let's look at it on the flip side. Name one right-hander who was in the same league as Mayweather who Tszyu faced. Yes, it's true, neither has ever faced a fighter like each other, however, In my opinion Mayweather's speed & boxing skills are superior to Kostya's ring cutting/boxing skills.. People also like to look at Tszyu as if he's invincible...this guy can be hurt, and I think mayweather can put a hurting on him late, not by trading, but by counter-punching, and picking punches well..

Nasty Handspeed
12-04-2004, 04:36 PM
People talk about Mayweather never facing anyone as talented as Tsyzu, but let's look at it on the flip side. Name one right-hander who was in the same league as Mayweather who Tszyu faced. Yes, it's true, neither has ever faced a fighter like each other, however, In my opinion Mayweather's speed & boxing skills are superior to Kostya's ring cutting/boxing skills.. People also like to look at Tszyu as if he's invincible...this guy can be hurt, and I think mayweather can put a hurting on him late, not by trading, but by counter-punching, and picking punches well..



I agree, people like to act like the Vince Philiips fight dont exist....Tszyu can be hurt folks watch the Phillips fight. People that say Mayweather is over rated haven't looked at the record of people he beat. He beat more than a few legends in the making. Both dudes have not faced anyone like each other. So true,so true.

elveiel
12-04-2004, 04:46 PM
Mayweather uses the shoulder roll defense technique and it is incredibly hard to hit a guy who uses that technique, unless you have Roy Jones handspeed which Tszyu does not have. I dont think Tsyzu will be able to land a solid shot on PBF much like the way Chavez could not land one on Whitaker. If you cant hit a guy and he is countering you-you will get ouitpointed. :D

Mayweather just cover ups well, all he does is turn side ways and lift his shoulder up!! Its very effective and makes shots glance off but its not doing to stop Tszyu going to the body.

Mayweather could win this fight but it will be on his bike all night. if Mayweather brings the Chavez/Castillo game plan he will get blown away in a couple of rounds!! if he fights at range he has a good chance of winning, but no fighter will have an easy night with a puncher like Tszyu! Dont forget that Tszyu makes up for speed with amazing accuracy.

BrooklynBomber
12-04-2004, 05:28 PM
IMHO Zoo's handspeed/power/accuracy is the key to defeat Mayweather. Shoulder Roll is a good thing but you cand deflect or evade all punches. Eventually Floyd will get caught and get hurt.And once Tszyu tagged you with his right straight he will be tagging you more and more. Also Kostya's left hook will give PBF problems. But thats if he gonna fight like he fought Castillo. If he fights the way he fought Corley. Well it will be over pretty soon for Floyd. Much better match up woud be hatton vs Floyd eliminator and winner takes on Kostya ;)

PBDS
12-04-2004, 05:34 PM
jose luis castillo gave mayweather the fight of his life. you guys really think that he can take tzsyu's power? no way, he may be on his bicycle for 7 or 8 rounds but eventually he will get caught by the awesome power of tzsyu, mayweather will be exposed for the fraud he is


...exactly, Zoo will catch Floyd just like he catches everybody else. All he needs is one clean shot which he will be patient for and boom. It will be lights out for Floyd. I think Floyd's chin is suspect and if he steps in with Zoo it will be fully exposed and he will be sleeping on the canvas.

jack_the_rippuh
12-04-2004, 05:39 PM
IMHO Zoo's handspeed/power/accuracy is the key to defeat Mayweather. Shoulder Roll is a good thing but you cand deflect or evade all punches. Eventually Floyd will get caught and get hurt.And once Tszyu tagged you with his right straight he will be tagging you more and more. Also Kostya's left hook will give PBF problems. But thats if he gonna fight like he fought Castillo. If he fights the way he fought Corley. Well it will be over pretty soon for Floyd. Much better match up woud be hatton vs Floyd eliminator and winner takes on Kostya ;)

I think the key to Mayweather's defense in this fight is mostly going to be evading the hits with his legs..and moving. I don't think we're going to see that much shoulder-rolling, and I don't think we'll see that much trading on the inside, but I could be wrong...

elveiel
12-04-2004, 06:07 PM
IMHO Zoo's handspeed/power/accuracy is the key to defeat Mayweather. Shoulder Roll is a good thing but you cand deflect or evade all punches. Eventually Floyd will get caught and get hurt.And once Tszyu tagged you with his right straight he will be tagging you more and more. Also Kostya's left hook will give PBF problems. But thats if he gonna fight like he fought Castillo. If he fights the way he fought Corley. Well it will be over pretty soon for Floyd. Much better match up woud be hatton vs Floyd eliminator and winner takes on Kostya ;)

I agree with your post.

I'd also like to see Hatton vs Maywether and the winner fight Tszyu.

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
12-04-2004, 06:12 PM
Tszyu is gonna have to throw rights over Mayweathers jab, much like Chavez did in their first fight against his uncle and now trainer Roger Mayweather.

Hurlex
12-04-2004, 06:15 PM
Kt will catch PBF and a lot sooner then people think..KT by ko within 4 rounds...PBF isnt hard to catch ..espeically with KT , acurracy and speed..not to mention technique

PBF will stay away from this fight

PBDS
12-04-2004, 06:18 PM
Kt will catch PBF and a lot sooner then people think..KT by ko within 4 rounds...PBF isnt hard to catch ..espeically with KT , acurracy and speed..not to mention technique

PBF will stay away from this fight


...Yeah I think he is too smart to take this fight as well.

Neuraxis
12-04-2004, 06:21 PM
Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather has the exact style to defeat Tsyzu. Mayweather is a defensive genius and I picture him outboxing, outsmarting, outslicking Tsyzu much like the way Pernell Whitaker did to Chavez. The only thing Tszyu has in his favor is his power which can be nullified and counterpunched by a defensive master like Mayweather. Some people talk like Tszyu is unbeatable. I guess they never seen the Vince Phillips fight. The next guy to beat Tszyu is the one man who can thouroughly outbox his azz and that man is Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather. :D

Really? I would expect something more like this.

http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/general/allsporttszyuputsmitchelldown.jpg

http://www.boxingpress.de/fotos/Tszyu0401.jpg

http://www.lvrj.com/lvrj_home/2001/Nov-04-Sun-2001/photos/judah.jpg

PBDS
12-04-2004, 06:25 PM
Really? I would expect something more like this.

http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/general/allsporttszyuputsmitchelldown.jpg

http://www.boxingpress.de/fotos/Tszyu0401.jpg

http://www.lvrj.com/lvrj_home/2001/Nov-04-Sun-2001/photos/judah.jpg


.....Yeah I would say any one of those shots could be the way that potential fight would end up.

Nautilus
12-04-2004, 07:24 PM
Really? I would expect something more like this.

http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/general/allsporttszyuputsmitchelldown.jpg

http://www.boxingpress.de/fotos/Tszyu0401.jpg

http://www.lvrj.com/lvrj_home/2001/Nov-04-Sun-2001/photos/judah.jpg


perfect

















............................

Nautilus
12-04-2004, 07:29 PM
Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather has the exact style to defeat Tsyzu. Mayweather is a defensive genius and I picture him outboxing, outsmarting, outslicking Tsyzu much like the way Pernell Whitaker did to Chavez. The only thing Tszyu has in his favor is his power which can be nullified and counterpunched by a defensive master like Mayweather. Some people talk like Tszyu is unbeatable. I guess they never seen the Vince Phillips fight. The next guy to beat Tszyu is the one man who can thouroughly outbox his azz and that man is Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather. :D


Tzyu will KO1 Floyd.

jack_the_rippuh
12-04-2004, 09:11 PM
Tzyu will KO1 Floyd.

Riiiiiight..

Nasty Handspeed
12-04-2004, 09:26 PM
Really? I would expect something more like this.

http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/general/allsporttszyuputsmitchelldown.jpg

http://www.boxingpress.de/fotos/Tszyu0401.jpg

http://www.lvrj.com/lvrj_home/2001/Nov-04-Sun-2001/photos/judah.jpg



Mitchell and Judah are no where near the fighter Mayweather is. Vince Phillips can tell you that. LOL :D

Nasty Handspeed
12-05-2004, 12:02 PM
Tszyu has never fought a man with as great defensive skills as Mayweather. When he gets in the ring with Maywaether he will find that he cannot catch Mayweather, and round after round PBF will build up a lead. Tsyu in the last 5 rounds will know he is behind, in desperation with go for the knock out. When a fighter fights indesperation he is bound to make mistakes. Tsyzu will make mistakes and get countered severely for the rest of the fight. Mayweather wins wide UD :D

Dark Destroyer
12-05-2004, 01:11 PM
Tszyu will have his hands full with Floyd just like Floyd will with him but i think it would be an amazing fight. Floyd ain't never met anyone with the power of Tszyu and the worst thing for Floyd is that Tszyu is fast with it. It will be a good fight for Floyd because we would see whether he can hang with the 140 guys. In this fight Floyd will obviously get tagged by Tszyu, when he does will he cope or fall? Tszyu boxing skills wise isn't as good as Floyd and his hope of vicotry is a stoppage, Floyd on the other hand needs to outbox and move. I don't want to make a call on this because as we all know, power ain't everything.

Nasty Handspeed
12-05-2004, 01:17 PM
Tszyu will have his hands full with Floyd just like Floyd will with him but i think it would be an amazing fight. Floyd ain't never met anyone with the power of Tszyu and the worst thing for Floyd is that Tszyu is fast with it. It will be a good fight for Floyd because we would see whether he can hang with the 140 guys. In this fight Floyd will obviously get tagged by Tszyu, when he does will he cope or fall? Tszyu boxing skills wise isn't as good as Floyd and his hope of vicotry is a stoppage, Floyd on the other hand needs to outbox and move. I don't want to make a call on this because as we all know, power ain't everything.



That is my point power aint everything. Time after time throughout history we have seen power punchers fall to a slick style boxer. From Ali Vs. Foreman, Ali Vs. Liston, Holyfield Vs. Tyson, Leonard Vs. Duran II, Whitaker Vs. Chavez, Hopkins Vs. Trinidad. The list goes on and on. I just see it in the styles Mayweather is too defensively slick for Tszyu to land anything solid wnough for a KO therefore Tszyu will outpoint him and win by UD. Not a KO a UD.

Neuraxis
12-05-2004, 01:29 PM
That is my point power aint everything. Time after time throughout history we have seen power punchers fall to a slick style boxer. From Ali Vs. Foreman, Ali Vs. Liston, Holyfield Vs. Tyson, Leonard Vs. Duran II, Whitaker Vs. Chavez, Hopkins Vs. Trinidad. The list goes on and on. I just see it in the styles Mayweather is too defensively slick for Tszyu to land anything solid wnough for a KO therefore Tszyu will outpoint him and win by UD. Not a KO a UD.

The thing is that PBF's chin did not look that great in his first fight at 140 lbs.

Nasty Handspeed
12-05-2004, 01:32 PM
The thing is that PBF's chin did not look that great in his first fight at 140 lbs.


Well that was his FIRST fight at 140...as he settles in he will get more used to the weight....also from the Vince Phillips fight I would say that Tszyu chin didnt look so great. :D

Neuraxis
12-05-2004, 01:35 PM
Well that was his FIRST fight at 140...as he settles in he will get more used to the weight....also from the Vince Phillips fight I would say that Tszyu chin didnt look so great. :D

I would believe you if he wasn't fighting a complete bum in his next fight.

Nasty Handspeed
12-05-2004, 01:42 PM
I would believe you if he wasn't fighting a complete bum in his next fight.


it dont really matter. its the styles I'm looking at. Mayweather has the style to defeat Tsyzu no matter who he fights next.

Cletus Funk
12-05-2004, 01:43 PM
That is my point power aint everything. Time after time throughout history we have seen power punchers fall to a slick style boxer. From Ali Vs. Foreman, Ali Vs. Liston, Holyfield Vs. Tyson, Leonard Vs. Duran II, Whitaker Vs. Chavez, Hopkins Vs. Trinidad. The list goes on and on. I just see it in the styles Mayweather is too defensively slick for Tszyu to land anything solid wnough for a KO therefore Tszyu will outpoint him and win by UD. Not a KO a UD.

There's plenty gone the other way too. :)

elveiel
12-05-2004, 01:54 PM
That is my point power aint everything. Time after time throughout history we have seen power punchers fall to a slick style boxer. From Ali Vs. Foreman, Ali Vs. Liston, Holyfield Vs. Tyson, Leonard Vs. Duran II, Whitaker Vs. Chavez, Hopkins Vs. Trinidad. The list goes on and on. I just see it in the styles Mayweather is too defensively slick for Tszyu to land anything solid wnough for a KO therefore Tszyu will outpoint him and win by UD. Not a KO a UD.

There's plenty gone the other way too. :)

Yeah, plenty have gone the other way!!

And the fighters mentioned were the same weight as each other, Floyd is a lot smaller than Tszyu so the power will be more effective.

`STEELHEAD
12-06-2004, 02:45 AM
jose luis castillo gave mayweather the fight of his life. you guys really think that he can take tzsyu's power? no way, he may be on his bicycle for 7 or 8 rounds but eventually he will get caught by the awesome power of tzsyu, mayweather will be exposed for the fraud he is


MAN I AGREE. I DONT THINK FLOYD IS PROVEN TO HAVE BROUGHT HIS POWER WITH HIM UP IN WEIGHT. AND HE IS TALKING ABOUT 147. A BONEHEAD MISTAKE.

oldgringo
12-06-2004, 02:59 AM
It seems that the majority of the people on this thread think that Tszyu will eventually impose his power on Floyd and KO him rather easily. I'll go against the grain and say that Floyd fights very cautiously and either stops Tszyu late after wearing him down or takes a close decision. Power isn't everything. I think Floyd would rise to the occasion and win this fight.

NAB
12-06-2004, 03:16 AM
Firstly, the Vince Phillips fight was 1997. Anyone who has watched Tszyu knows that he fights totally differently now than he did then.
Secondly, Tszyu's body punches are way, way better than people think. And Tszyu is much smarter than people think. People said he couldn't catch Zab, people said he couldn't catch Mitchell.. Tszyu has a saying..."you have to stop to punch"... Floyd will taste more power in this fight than ever before, and wouldn't last 12.

Powerpunch4u
01-16-2005, 11:54 PM
Let's look at this in an unbiased perspertive. Mayweather has a good chance at defeating Tszyu, but the odds are against him. I know you guys love Mayweather, but lets be realistic. This fight would be like ODLH agaist Hopkins. Oscar had a chance because of his talent, but the chances were bleak. Mayweather has lots of talent but Tszyu is the man in the light-welters. The only way Mayweather has a chance is if Tszyu ages overnight or if he proves he belongs in this weight class.

MlLkMan
01-17-2005, 12:11 AM
i agree mayweather will defeat tszyu without a doubt

Yea, in the Judah fight, tszyu was having problems with Zabs speed in the first round.

Truth
01-17-2005, 12:12 AM
I think as long as Mayweather boxed and didn't get into a brawl he would beat Tszyu by a close UD.

Invader_Stu
01-17-2005, 01:45 AM
Firstly, the Vince Phillips fight was 1997. Anyone who has watched Tszyu knows that he fights totally differently now than he did then.
Secondly, Tszyu's body punches are way, way better than people think. And Tszyu is much smarter than people think. People said he couldn't catch Zab, people said he couldn't catch Mitchell.. Tszyu has a saying..."you have to stop to punch"... Floyd will taste more power in this fight than ever before, and wouldn't last 12.

Well said IMO.

You can't actually throw effective powerful punches when your moving away from your opponent. If he wants to hit Tszyu, he'll have to stop. If he does, at some point in the fight he will get tagged. I'm not saying that will end the fight either way, just that there cant be many people who seriously think Tszyu will never land a punch for the whole match.

Tszyu did struggle a little with Zab's speed in the first round, its true. But Tszyu is a patient fighter. He picks his opportunities. He is also very accurate, and doesnt waste energy by throwing useless flurries of speedy weak punches, that seems to wow so many fans (why I dont know..).

Either way I'd love to see this fight, like millions of other fight fans around the globe, but it will never happen. It keeps being brought up every few weeks but this fight is destined to be a fantasy fight only. The two fighters are contracted to different networks, and while Tszyu's career has to come to an end sometime and would take this fight I'm not sure the younger PBF would want to.

Floydmayweather
01-17-2005, 02:16 PM
zoo has big time power but will he be able to handle PBFs speed. I think floyd would beat zoo to the punch surely he will catch him with a big punch but if floyd weathers a few big power shots i could see him using his speed and defense to ud or maybe stop zoo late in the fight. This fight will be great i cant wait its only a matter of time.

Solo322
01-17-2005, 02:51 PM
Floyd mayweather is awesome, him not having a good chin or whatever is irrelevant because of his defensive skill. It comes down to whether or not Kostya is fast enough to overwhelm him. probably not.

jswa17
01-17-2005, 02:55 PM
if he fights a perfect fight, floyd might have a chance...but i seriously doubt it...Tszyu wins by KO

Chups
01-17-2005, 02:58 PM
I'm with Kostya on this one. (by UD)