View Full Version : Thoughts on Mo-Mousasi


Virgil Caine
04-19-2010, 10:39 AM
I just finally watched the fight.

I think Mo put on an excellent performance.

He fought his fight, and handed Mousasi a thorough beating.

He did rely on takedowns a little more than a lot of us like to see. However, given his relative lack of experience, it was a very understandable tactic imo. He merely did what it took to put himself in a position to win.

He actually landed some decent punches on the feet as well, although they were most definitely few and far between.

Nevertheless, Mo's progress to this point has been nothing short of phenomenal, and he's going to keep getting better.

He took Mousasi down at will, and was never put in any sort of danger of being finished. Mousasi took the second round, but other than that it was all Mo.

Another observation was that Mo seemed to land his takedowns in his own corner, which enabled him to receive advice from his corner while on the ground. I'm sure that was no accident.

I was sure Mo would rise to the occasion, and I think he passed this test with flying colors. While I didn't find the fight particularly lackluster, I still think it was in part a case of win today, look good tomorrow. This was a tough proposition, and Mo did his job.

jakkups
04-19-2010, 11:16 AM
You're right Mo did his job but it wasn't as impressive to me as it was to you. All I took away from that was that if he wasn't such a good wrestler, and didn't have that strength he would be f.ucked. He basically GSP'ed the guy to death only took more damage in doing so. His conditioning was really bad for a guy who is as good of an athlete as he is.

On the feet it was pretty even. Neither man got the better of the exchanges, neither man landed anything of note IMO. Mousasi looked like he gave up at the end of the second round and was content to stay on his back when Mo took him down. If he atempted at all to try and scramble he might have faired better but he didn't so we'll never know.

One thing Mo did show was that he has great potential. That explosive way of fighting (with regards to his striking or his wrestling) is always one of my favourite styles. If he can back it up with a bit of control, work on his conditioning and learn some ways topass the guard he will be a beast. As for now, he's doing his job, and that's all you can ask.

Virgil Caine
04-19-2010, 11:56 AM
You're right Mo did his job but it wasn't as impressive to me as it was to you. All I took away from that was that if he wasn't such a good wrestler, and didn't have that strength he would be f.ucked. He basically GSP'ed the guy to death only took more damage in doing so. His conditioning was really bad for a guy who is as good of an athlete as he is.

On the feet it was pretty even. Neither man got the better of the exchanges, neither man landed anything of note IMO. Mousasi looked like he gave up at the end of the second round and was content to stay on his back when Mo took him down. If he atempted at all to try and scramble he might have faired better but he didn't so we'll never know.

One thing Mo did show was that he has great potential. That explosive way of fighting (with regards to his striking or his wrestling) is always one of my favourite styles. If he can back it up with a bit of control, work on his conditioning and learn some ways topass the guard he will be a beast. As for now, he's doing his job, and that's all you can ask.

I agree. I wasn't particularly as impressed as I made myself out to be perhaps, however I guess I was reacting against the naysayers out there. I actually don't think Mo showed off his potential in this fight. However, I think that given the gap in experience it was understandable. I think Mo was capable of fighting a better fight, striking a bit more, and passing the guard. However, he contented himself with going for takedowns and laying in Mousasi's guard for the most part.

Still, I think if he would have had more than 6 fights to this point to develop his game, we would have seen a different fight. As I said, I think he basically went out there to employ his strengths and get the W, and look better next time. I don't recall seeing Mo hunting for takedowns in any of his other fights to this point, despite being one of the most credentialed wrestlers in MMA, so I think this fight was a case of Mo doing what he had to do to score the win and win the title. I still think that the sky is the limit for this guy.

I may sound like I'm jumping the gun here, and I would almost agree with that, but I can even potentially see him giving Fedor a decent fight 4 or 5 fights down the line. A lot could happen between now and then, but I just think Mo has all the tools for success. And for the record, my heart as well as my head would be in Fedor's corner on such a night.

snakerattle79
04-19-2010, 11:58 AM
off his back, Mousasi damaged him pretty well, in Japan Mousasi would have won that fight because takedowns doesnt score there, just like Hansen beating JZ off his back

TheNegation
04-19-2010, 12:15 PM
Honestly, I wasn't overly impressed. Yeah he beat a top guy but he didn't really convince me he was legit.

Had Mousasi been less complacent and let his hands go, I don't think Mo would have made it out.

There are still a lot of unanswered questions about Mo.

His striking is average
His cardio is suspect
His BJJ is very limited


For a guy like Mo with his wrestling creds and his kind of power double, spamming takedowns on a guy that was visibly lighter than him for 5 rounds isn't very impressive.

jakkups
04-19-2010, 12:17 PM
I agree. I wasn't particularly as impressed as I made myself out to be perhaps, however I guess I was reacting against the naysayers out there. I actually don't think Mo showed off his potential in this fight. However, I think that given the gap in experience it was understandable. I think Mo was capable of fighting a better fight, striking a bit more, and passing the guard. However, he contented himself with going for takedowns and laying in Mousasi's guard for the most part.

Still, I think if he would have had more than 6 fights to this point to develop his game, we would have seen a different fight. As I said, I think he basically went out there to employ his strengths and get the W, and look better next time. I don't recall seeing Mo hunting for takedowns in any of his other fights to this point, despite being one of the most credentialed wrestlers in MMA, so I think this fight was a case of Mo doing what he had to do to score the win and win the title. I still think that the sky is the limit for this guy.

I may sound like I'm jumping the gun here, and I would almost agree with that, but I can even potentially see him giving Fedor a decent fight 4 or 5 fights down the line. A lot could happen between now and then, but I just think Mo has all the tools for success. And for the record, my heart as well as my head would be in Fedor's corner on such a night.

I'm glad he did use his strengths. I was afraid he was gonna pull a Sean Sherk and forget he is a wrestler, and just relied on standup. It probably would've done his gas tank a service but it's a risky game to play when it's not you're strength.

Rabbit ♠
04-19-2010, 12:20 PM
All I thought is "Rampage would murder this guy"....

Virgil Caine
04-19-2010, 12:29 PM
All I thought is "Rampage would murder this guy"....
I'd take Mo over Rampage. Rampage is a nuttcase, Mo has his head screwed on right. Not to mention that Rampage hasn't fought recently, which makes hima giant question mark.

jakkups
04-19-2010, 01:04 PM
I'd take Mo over Rampage. Rampage is a nuttcase, Mo has his head screwed on right. Not to mention that Rampage hasn't fought recently, which makes hima giant question mark.

At this point in time I would too, however, I wouldn't be surprised if Rampage ragdolled him either.

Virgil Caine
04-19-2010, 01:08 PM
At this point in time I would too, however, I wouldn't be surprised if Rampage ragdolled him either.

I can't really see Mo being ragdolled by anyone. Rampage could outstrike him, but then I think Mo would know what to expect. Still, defending the takedown and striking would probably be Rampage's best bet.

That said, the fight's not happening so there's almost no point in talking about it.

kaps
04-19-2010, 01:09 PM
I wasn't too impressed with Mo, he did alot better than expected but Mousasi did more damage IMO, but that's not what wins fights. Rampage would tool Mo hard. I don't even think Mo ranks at this point....

Virgil Caine
04-19-2010, 01:15 PM
I wasn't too impressed with Mo, he did alot better than expected but Mousasi did more damage IMO, but that's not what wins fights. Rampage would tool Mo hard. I don't even think Mo ranks at this point....
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Just kidding, but Mo is beyond over achiever status.

He was a huge underdog against Mousasi, and yet people are already making all kinds of excuses.

As I said though, Rampage is a nuttcase, he wouldn't be tooling anything.

Fantasy matches aside though, Mo is only going to improve from here.

jakkups
04-19-2010, 01:17 PM
I wasn't too impressed with Mo, he did alot better than expected but Mousasi did more damage IMO, but that's not what wins fights. Rampage would tool Mo hard. I don't even think Mo ranks at this point....

I think he ranks. He just beat a top 10 LHW snapping a 14 fight win streak in the process. He cracks the top 10 with IMO.

kaps
04-19-2010, 01:28 PM
Okay, I can see that, but I don't think his wrestling will have that big of an impact on Rampage. Remember Rampage isn't no slouch when it comes to wrestling either, he took Chuck Liddell down in there first fight and his stand up is 100x Mo's...

-Swizzy-
04-19-2010, 01:39 PM
Mo is whats wrong with MMA at the present. I hope ppl don't look at his fighting style and try to emmulate that ****. Very boring and skilless fighter that is winning his fights off of a non-attacking style(wrestling) and strength.

StillUnknown
04-19-2010, 01:53 PM
i didnt think Mo would survive after he gassed in the 1st

Mousasi better learn to wrestle if he wants to compete with the big boys at 205

Virgil Caine
04-19-2010, 01:55 PM
Mo is whats wrong with MMA at the present. I hope ppl don't look at his fighting style and try to emmulate that ****. Very boring and skilless fighter that is winning his fights off of a non-attacking style(wrestling) and strength.

You have seemingly never seen Mo fight before this fight.

kaps
04-19-2010, 02:01 PM
Mo seriously needs to work on his cardio...

Nick Fury
04-19-2010, 06:06 PM
Mo is whats wrong with MMA at the present. I hope ppl don't look at his fighting style and try to emmulate that ****. Very boring and skilless fighter that is winning his fights off of a non-attacking style(wrestling) and strength.

Skillless??? Explain to me how Mo is a skillless fighter. With a 6-0 record he just beat a top 10 LHW in Mousasi. He took Mousasi down at will and he couldn't do anything about it. If they don't wanna get taken down, work on your wrestling.

1 on 1
04-21-2010, 12:09 AM
It was the matchup I was looking forward to most. What caught me by surprise was the poor stamina both fighters showed. I just couldn't believe it. It could've been the big-fight jitters AND not so much because they didn't do enough cardio.

Virgil Caine
04-21-2010, 09:20 AM
It was the matchup I was looking forward to most. What caught me by surprise was the poor stamina both fighters showed. I just couldn't believe it. It could've been the big-fight jitters AND not so much because they didn't do enough cardio.

I'm not entirely sure, but it did seem like Mo blew a lot of energy in the first round, and Mousasi may have burned out being caught under Mo and where he didn't want to be.

D-MiZe
04-21-2010, 09:26 AM
What makes Mo so good?

No hate, just inexperience on my part.

:D

Virgil Caine
04-21-2010, 09:34 AM
What makes Mo so good?

No hate, just inexperience on my part.

:D

He was a standout college wrestler who went on to become a 4x national freestyle champ and accomplished international amateur, barely missed out on the olympics due to an upset at the olympic trials and went into MMA. Took on gatekeepers from the get go, knocking out several far more experienced fighters on his feet, despite being from a wrestling background. Now he just knocked off a highly regarded and highly ranked light heavyweight in Mousasi to obtain the Strikeforce belt in just his 7th fight, a fight in which he was a considerable underdog and in which he basically dominated the action for 4 of 5 rounds.

D-MiZe
04-21-2010, 11:54 AM
He was a standout college wrestler who went on to become a 4x national freestyle champ and accomplished international amateur, barely missed out on the olympics due to an upset at the olympic trials and went into MMA. Took on gatekeepers from the get go, knocking out several far more experienced fighters on his feet, despite being from a wrestling background. Now he just knocked off a highly regarded and highly ranked light heavyweight in Mousasi to obtain the Strikeforce belt in just his 7th fight, a fight in which he was a considerable underdog and in which he basically dominated the action for 4 of 5 rounds.

How good is he striking wise then?

Virgil Caine
04-21-2010, 12:59 PM
How good is he striking wise then?

Good enough to knock people out.

He's got heavy hands and is pretty quick. He's criticized for his technique, although I personally think it's pretty good considering his level of experience. He does tend to keep his hands low, which may by an issue, but people too often forget that MMA isn't boxing, and his hand position surely has to do with his wrestling base, which remains his biggest asset.

He certainly has room for improvement, but he has knocked out some decent gatekeepers nonetheless.

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