View Full Version : Wladimir Klitschko could beat Brock at MMA


pesticid
04-16-2010, 08:23 PM
If any boxer could have success in MMA that would be Wlad and I'll state my reasons.

As a heavyweight there is no bigger MMA heavyweight than Wlad that is elite. Brock, Shane, Velazquez are not bigger. Brock is not bigger even if he looks like a Gorilla.

Wlad is as athletically gifted as any MMA elite heavyweight right now.

Wlad is a ****ing *****, he's afraid of getting hit but because of this character trait of his, he is smart and he knows his limitations. Outside game and strong clinch game when you get on the inside. He is like a GSP in terms of *****fied and being smart. GSP got *****fied by Serra and Wlad got pussified by Brewster, since those fights, they have become unbeatable and so highly efficient in their respective games.

Wlad's jab to a somebody that stands 6-1 or 6-3 is like they are getting hit with a hockey stick. He can knock you down with a jab. Cain, Shane and Brock cannot really leg kick him, if they decide that they'll be piston jabbed to death. So they would instead shoot on him and probably have great success but Wlad isn't a Toney, he is huge and his game is outside fighting. So if he shoots this long, long hammer of his with his left and somebody shoots, they'll have to shoot from far and if they do that, Wlad can jump out and come back with a right hand or smth. Wlad has exceptional footwork. And if he hits you with a 4 ounce glove, I mean a jab can break your face in half. When Freddi Roach use to train him before he got a fight with his brother Vitaly because Vitaly was upset that Freddie was teaching him how to clinch, Freddie roach said that he's never had a fighter hit the pads harder than Wladimir including Tyson.

Wlad is not ignorant, he always wants to learn. So he'll spend at least 6 months preparing with the best coaches and sparring partners. He's already extremely strong at holding your neck down when you get close to him in the boxing ring.

Lastly, Wlad is a ****king athlete, he is not James Toney or Ray Mercer who used to be good athletes but have deteriorated with age. He is not Butterbean or Botha or Mayorga who have very little athletic ability. The way people talk about Lebron being a football player and a basketball player, I think that Wlad could've been as good of a wrestler as he is a boxer and we know how important wrestling is and Wlad will learn a lot of it in half a year, exceptional athletes who are motivated and want to learn, their learning curve is much shorter. I mean look at Josh Koshcheck's striking, I never thought his striking would amount to anything and he has exceeded everybody's expectation, remember him in the UF, his striking was the worst ever. I don't think Josh though is a smart, athletic or that he posses the same physical advantages that Wlad has.

PS: I like GSP a lot, but the Serra fight took his striking confidence away, now he relies on it rarely and not on a consistent basis so he doesn't get caught in an exchange. I don't like Wlad I used to like him before when he went all out on people and took them out easy, but this style that was way more attractive would've gotten him easily taken down in MMA, with his new safety first style I don't see how a heavyweight MMA guy can avoid the jab, this is not a Frank Mir jab.

Junito-Rulez
04-16-2010, 08:28 PM
Good interesting post i agree with it.

kaps
04-16-2010, 08:38 PM
Interesting post. I wouldn't say anybody who fights for a living is a ***** though...

pesticid
04-16-2010, 08:48 PM
Interesting post. I wouldn't say anybody who fights for a living is a ***** though...

I apologize, figure of speech kinda sorta, when you watch Gatti you become too harsh.

For the record I don't think that either Wlad or GSP have glass chins, they just panic when they get hit.

American_Ninja
04-16-2010, 09:03 PM
You must be out your mind, aint no way in hell ANY Klit can beat Teh Brock.
It's just stupid to keep comparing boxers to Mixed Martial Art Fighters.
imo.

pesticid
04-16-2010, 09:08 PM
You must be out your mind, aint no way in hell ANY Klit can beat Teh Brock.
It's just stupid to keep comparing boxers to Mixed Martial Art Fighters.
imo.

But it's OK to compare a pure wrestler to MMA fighters?

I mean what did Brock do before he conquered UFC, he failed as a football player in preseason training despite all his size and athleticism, yet he goes in the UFC and all of a sudden he is the # 1 heavyweight there. I remember a lot of people were talking that Brock had nothing on MMA fighters, now they sing a different song.

pesticid
04-16-2010, 09:11 PM
One more thing Brock Lesnar shouldn't even be call MMA fighter. He wrestles you down and grounds and pounds you, which to him comes naturally. He hasn't exhibited much or any mixed martial artness to me. At least Velazquez can punch and kick besides his wrestling. Brock can only GnP.

American_Ninja
04-16-2010, 09:15 PM
One more thing Brock Lesnar shouldn't even be call MMA fighter. He wrestles you down and grounds and pounds you, which to him comes naturally. He hasn't exhibited much or any mixed martial artness to me. At least Velazquez can punch and kick besides his wrestling. Brock can only GnP.

Yea I guess ur right, The Knee's Brock throws are purely WWE, the strikes too. Like any athlete, you use all your advantages.

pesticid
04-16-2010, 09:31 PM
Yea I guess ur right, The Knee's Brock throws are purely WWE, the strikes too. Like any athlete, you use all your advantages.

So because you throw crappy strikes in addition to your wrestling this makes you a mixed martial artist? Give me a break, we have boxers who are **** as boxers and we say they can't box, but Chris Leben throws knees and elbows and all of a sudden he is a mixed martial artist when in fact he is the crappiest fighter of them all.

Brock fights in Mixed Martial Arts, that doesn't mean that he is a mixed martial artist, he is a wrestler.

$BloodyNate$
04-16-2010, 09:46 PM
Disagree. I don't care who he's gonna train with for 6 months, he's not stuffing Brocks takedown. Brock takes him down and pound him out in one. Too explosive and fast not to mention freakishly strong.

F l i c k e r
04-16-2010, 09:55 PM
You make a strong point.

I just don't know if he can wrestle or not. Brock isn't really going to stand, hell he hardly stands as it is in his what 4 fights of MMA? Unless Wlad can wrestle, he only has a punchers chance.

I'd give Vitali more of a chance because he kickboxed before and was pretty good at it too. So he would have a longer range, not really having to get into punching distance. He would just have to watch for the takedown off the kick, because thats probably what Brock would look for. As soon as he throws the kick, shoot in, is what he would be thinking.

G A M E
04-16-2010, 10:06 PM
aint Vitali and Wlad former kick boxers anyway??? i guess they would know abit about MMA already

pesticid
04-16-2010, 10:28 PM
Vitaly was a kick boxer and in my opinion the much tougher guy who likes to mix it up, but he doesn't punch harder than Wlad despite higher ko %. Also he is not as physically strong , so he can't really stuff your takedown I don't think and he's the lesser athlete. He's the better boxer in my opinion and although he did kickboxing I don't think that would help him.

I might get some guys mad at me here, but I don't think much of kickboxing, the reason being is that a lot of decent to good boxers can go in there and beat up the best kickboxer. I watched Francois Botha lose a close decision to Remi Bonjanski at Remi was one of the best. That was an eye opener for me that a guy like Botha could have success against one of the best.

F l i c k e r
04-16-2010, 10:34 PM
Vitaly was a kick boxer and in my opinion the much tougher guy who likes to mix it up, but he doesn't punch harder than Wlad despite higher ko %. Also he is not as physically strong , so he can't really stuff your takedown I don't think and he's the lesser athlete. He's the better boxer in my opinion and although he did kickboxing I don't think that would help him.

I might get some guys mad at me here, but I don't think much of kickboxing, the reason being is that a lot of decent to good boxers can go in there and beat up the best kickboxer. I watched Francois Botha lose a close decision to Remi Bonjanski at Remi was one of the best. That was an eye opener for me that a guy like Botha could have success against one of the best.

I don't think highly of K-1's world class, which is basically hw.

Go watch Buakaw or Malaipet and then tell me Sergio Martinez could beat them in a kickboxing match.


It would be interesting to see one of the Bros fight in MMA. Its just that I would give Vitali just a slight edge because he can kick. Most guys in MMA will either takedown a boxer or just kick their leg into dust.

pesticid
04-16-2010, 10:42 PM
I know but how is Brock going to kick Wlad when wlad throws tha long jab in his face. He can only bum rush him and shoot from a longer distance which will be easier to avoid.

pesticid
04-16-2010, 10:44 PM
I don't think highly of K-1's world class, which is basically hw.

Go watch Buakaw or Malaipet and then tell me Sergio Martinez could beat them in a kickboxing match.


It would be interesting to see one of the Bros fight in MMA. Its just that I would give Vitali just a slight edge because he can kick. Most guys in MMA will either takedown a boxer or just kick their leg into dust.

Never seen these guys so can't say, but from what I've seen from kickboxers and that is most of the time the guy with the better hands wins. I might be wrong to assume that because I have not seen more than 20 kickboxing matches.

snakey112
04-17-2010, 12:58 AM
Never seen these guys so can't say, but from what I've seen from kickboxers and that is most of the time the guy with the better hands wins. I might be wrong to assume that because I have not seen more than 20 kickboxing matches.

look up ramon dekkers if you never heard of him, guy was a ****in beast

Spray_resistant
04-17-2010, 01:07 AM
I am a huge Wlad fan but would just be real worried about those TDs because if he got taken down by Brock he won't be getting back up as the flabby hog will just lay on him and unskillfully pound away and he still outweighs Wlad by about 40lbs.

Still Brock isn't that good of a fighter, just big and strong.

He is winning by way of massiveness, and against someone his size he gets beaten easily because he is just not very good overall.

Kakutogi-Gumi
04-17-2010, 06:27 AM
Wlad is not ignorant, he always wants to learn. So he'll spend at least 6 months preparing with the best coaches and sparring partners. He's already extremely strong at holding your neck down when you get close to him in the boxing ring.


Okay.

When will he learn actual grappling?

Gojira
04-17-2010, 11:54 PM
:lol1: if one of the klits threw a kick they would collapse.