Vitali Klitschko Responds to ********** interview with Toney!


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Our interview with Vitali was taken rather unusually; actually it was taken because of James Toney’s interview on June 2 with a well known and respectable person, director of ww.**********.net Greg Leon. In this interview, new information emerged that Vitali will not defend his belt against either Rahman or Barrett but will make his title defence against James Toney on September 24th. Once we met Vitali, we decided to ask him few questions.

Vitali, James and his promoter stated that you have made an offer to them. Can you tell us anything about it?

One month ago, after James’ fight with Ruiz, I met up with James and told him, that since he won the world championship title, it would be very interesting for boxing fans to see us face each other. Before that James didn’t hold any belt and I wasn't too interested in him, since my main goal is to carry out title unification fights.

Now Toney doesn’t hold a championship belt, and we need to find out if he really wants and is ambitious to fight for a championship belt.

What can prevent you from fighting James Toney?

I am a champion and have the right to choose my opponent. If Toney continues to carry out negotiations with excessive financial requirements and unrealistic belief in his greatness, this fight will not take place.

I gave James Toney a great opportunity to carry out a fight for world championship title. Though, in my opinion his chances are minimal. But if he continues to negotiate this way, I’ll put all my efforts into my dream of unifying titles.

Vitali, Toney and his manager see only two problems before this fight will take place: financial and recognition of James’ greatness. What do you think about it?

James is not world champion, but his ambitions are of a champion. It’s rather complicated to negotiate about our fight with them.

Vitali, do you think James Tones’ punishment for banned substance was sufficient enough (ten thousand dollars and 90 day disqualification) or should other boxing organizations punish him?

I have no right to judge James’ punishment or of any other athlete. It should be made by people whose job is to keep sports clean of this. However, James used banned substance and it’s necessary to consider this.

James is a professional athlete and...he should realize what could happen. Therefore, first thing he should have done is to check that medicine to make sure it doesn’t have any forbidden substance. So, for losing the world title he can blame himself or his doctor.

Vitali, according to last information the fight for the interim WBC title between Hasim and Barrett is moved from July 23 to August 13. This will allow you to carry out a fight against any heavyweight on September 24. Are there any possible opponents that you can tell us?

My purpose is to carry out a fight in which I can unify belts.

Is there possibility for a fight with Lamon Brewster, since after Golota's fight he expressed so...

I can’t exclude an opportunity of carrying out a fight with Brewster. I have already answered Brewster that I’m waiting for his promoter to start negotiations with us.

How real is this fight if your team and Brewster’s team will start negotiations?

Since this fight should be interesting to boxing fans from all other the world I think there’s probability that this fight will take place.

Does Toney really deserve another shot at the title so soon after he cheated by using steroids? I think not. There are many other contenders out there who deserve a title shot against Vitali other than Toney. Rahman,Brewster,Byrd, and Brock just to name a few. I would like to see Toney work a little by beating some top ranked contenders before getting another shot.

toney didnt cheat.get this through yalls head.why would he need drugs to beat bum ass ruiz.vit quitschko is just giving excuses as to why he wont fight toney.toney believing in his greatness is well deserved.toney has done a hell of alot more in boxing then quitschko.and if quitschko wanted to prove he is the best of the bums in the HW.he should fight all comers.his ass dont wont to fight anybody.he want to hold onto his paper title as long as his punk ass can.

Does Toney really deserve another shot at the title so soon after he cheated by using steroids? I think not. There are many other contenders out there who deserve a title shot against Vitali other than Toney. Rahman,Brewster,Byrd, and Brock just to name a few. I would like to see Toney work a little by beating some top ranked contenders before getting another shot.

under the curcumstances in which he used them, plus the way he dominated a current champion, yes he should be allowed to fight for a title. Everyone can fomr their own opinion on the matter. I don't like to judge anyone, if he said he took them from his doctor back in sept, to recover from an injury, and not to enhance his proformance in the ring, then i beleive him. Fighters get tested after every fight, toney has fought and won many fights without the drugs, earned a title shot without them, so he should be given another shot. If by some chance he pops again, then he should be banned for life.

I like Toney despite the steroids thing...I think he would have a hard time with Vitali..but Toney really shouldn't make ridiculous purse demands since he just got busted for roids and should be happy with getting two title shots in a row even if he has to take less money

Vitali Klitschko is 5-2 in Title fights, with the 5 wins comming over Herbie Hide, Ed Mahone, Obed Sullivan, Corrie Sanders, and Danny Williams. 4 of the 7 fights were WBO "title" fights.

James Toney is 11-1-1 (1 NC) in title fights (only lost to Roy Jones Jr), won titles at 160, 168, Cruiser, and Heavy (before it was turned into a no contest). All of his title fights were for either the WBC/IBF/WBA titles. Toney has also been regarded as the pound for pound #1 fighter in boxing on two occasions.

I'd say denying Toney's greatness would be ignorant.

I like Toney despite the steroids thing...I think he would have a hard time with Vitali..but Toney really shouldn't make ridiculous purse demands since he just got busted for roids and should be happy with getting two title shots in a row even if he has to take less money

I agree toney should take whatever is offered, if he still had a belt then yes i should see him wanting 50/50, but now he needs to take what he can get

Vitali is a joke, he acts like he's the greatest

Does Toney really deserve another shot at the title so soon after he cheated by using steroids? I think not. There are many other contenders out there who deserve a title shot against Vitali other than Toney. Rahman,Brewster,Byrd, and Brock just to name a few. I would like to see Toney work a little by beating some top ranked contenders before getting another shot.
last time i remembered byrd and brewster held belts so how does that make them a contender?

I agree toney should take whatever is offered, if he still had a belt then yes i should see him wanting 50/50, but now he needs to take what he can get


rahman almost pulled this crap when he was challenging VK for the belt... rahman didnt like the money, so king was about to pull someone else in to fight and rock changed his mind... maybe if VK agrees with brewster, toney will change his tune...

Vitali Klitschko is 5-2 in Title fights, with the 5 wins comming over Herbie Hide, Ed Mahone, Obed Sullivan, Corrie Sanders, and Danny Williams. 4 of the 7 fights were WBO title fights.

James Toney is 11-1-1 (1 NC) in title fights (only lost to Roy Jones Jr), won titles at 160, 168, Cruiser, and Heavy (before it was turned into a no contest). All of his title fights were for either the WBC/IBF/WBA titles. Toney has also been regarded as the pound for pound #1 fighter in boxing on two occasions.

I'd say denying Toney's greatness would be ignorant.



i agree totally.klit makes it sound like he is the greatest of all time.the 2 biggest fights of his life he lost.quit against byrd and got his face ripped off by lewis.he has fought tomato cans most of his career.toney has won titles in 4 weight divisions.if we measured greatness,toney would have a barrel full of greatness while klit would have maybe a hlaf of teaspoon.

toney didnt cheat.get this through yalls head.why would he need drugs to beat bum ass ruiz.vit quitschko is just giving excuses as to why he wont fight toney.toney believing in his greatness is well deserved.toney has done a hell of alot more in boxing then quitschko.and if quitschko wanted to prove he is the best of the bums in the HW.he should fight all comers.his ass dont wont to fight anybody.he want to hold onto his paper title as long as his punk ass can.
its time for u to shuit the hell up, I dont like the way u talk about Klitschko. Toney doesnt deserve to fight for the wbc tittle he better take the 35-65 and go fight while Vitali is offering it cause then he will regret it. Vitali is giving this dirt bag a chance to fight for the wbc tittle and hes still acting like hes not getting enough, wake up to reality u just got caught for roids and ur getting a title shot so quick, he should be thanking Vitali for giving him the opprutunity to fight.

its time for u to shuit the hell up, I dont like the way u talk about Klitschko. Toney doesnt deserve to fight for the wbc tittle

Right, but Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams did...


:rolleyes:


Why can't you post in a Klitschko thread without sounding like a wounded and spiteful little troll? Always with the cussing....

Right, but Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams did...


:rolleyes:


Why can't you post in a Klitschko thread without sounding like a wounded and spiteful little troll? Always with the cussing....


Correy Sanders deserved the fight w/out doubt.

I am a Klitchko hater and normally agree with you but that was a bad point. Correy earned it. It's just lame he came into the fight 400 pounds overweight.

Correy Sanders deserved the fight w/out doubt.

I am a Klitchko hater and normally agree with you but that was a bad point. Correy earned it. It's just lame he came into the fight 400 pounds overweight.


The point wasn't that Sanders didn't deserve it, but that if he and Williams could fight for the WBC title, so should WBC ranked #1 James Toney.

The comment was exclusivly in response to his comment:

"Toney doesnt deserve to fight for the wbc tittle"

Vitali Klitschko is 5-2 in Title fights, with the 5 wins comming over Herbie Hide, Ed Mahone, Obed Sullivan, Corrie Sanders, and Danny Williams. 4 of the 7 fights were WBO "title" fights.

James Toney is 11-1-1 (1 NC) in title fights (only lost to Roy Jones Jr), won titles at 160, 168, Cruiser, and Heavy (before it was turned into a no contest). All of his title fights were for either the WBC/IBF/WBA titles. Toney has also been regarded as the pound for pound #1 fighter in boxing on two occasions.

I'd say denying Toney's greatness would be ignorant.

Im sorry pal, but Toney never fought for the WBC, and he never won the WBA, well he did with the help of roids. His only claim to a title was IBF, and he was never really undisputed champ. His claim to greatness is nothing at the heavyweight division, and Vitali calls the shots there. So if he wants to prove himself, he will run under Vitali's circumstances.

i agree totally.klit makes it sound like he is the greatest of all time.the 2 biggest fights of his life he lost.quit against byrd and got his face ripped off by lewis.he has fought tomato cans most of his career.toney has won titles in 4 weight divisions.if we measured greatness,toney would have a barrel full of greatness while klit would have maybe a hlaf of teaspoon.

Toney won belts in 3 divisions, and they were "Paper" belts, nothing more than what you claim Vitali has. Atleast the WBC is more credible than the FBI, cough.. I mean IBF.

Right, but Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams did...


:rolleyes:


Why can't you post in a Klitschko thread without sounding like a wounded and spiteful little troll? Always with the cussing....


Corrie Sanders was the mandatory opponent for Vitali. He had no choice, but fight him, he didnt choose him as an opponent. And Danny WIlliams after sparking Tyson, was most definately worthy. I cant tell you how many people picked him to win.

Im sorry pal, but Toney never fought for the WBC, and he never won the WBA, well he did with the help of roids. His only claim to a title was IBF, and he was never really undisputed champ. His claim to greatness is nothing at the heavyweight division, and Vitali calls the shots there. So if he wants to prove himself, he will run under Vitali's circumstances.yeye my man, awsome post..

The point wasn't that Sanders didn't deserve it, but that if he and Williams could fight for the WBC title, so should WBC ranked #1 James Toney.

The comment was exclusivly in response to his comment:

"Toney doesnt deserve to fight for the wbc tittle"

Rahman is ranked no.1 by the WBC, and followed by him is Barret. Toney just got caught for doing roids. The man most definately isn't as deserving as Rahman, Barret, Brewster, Byrd, or Ruiz.

Plus Sanders and WIlliams earned there shots at the title, by beating major players in the heavyweight game. Corrie beat the no.2 ranked fighter after Lewis, which was Wladimir, while Williams took out the still dangerous Tyson.

What has Toney done? Beat Booker? Get caught for roids? lol dont make me laugh

Toney didn't knowingly cheat. I wouldn't even call it cheating. He deserves a shot, of course. That's just racists talking trying to protect Vitali I think, saying he shouldn't fight Toney. If you really thought much of Vitali you'd at least claim you think Vitali would destroy Toney so let them fight.

That's the difference in me and a lot of people. I really get behind my fighters, have faith that they can beat everyone in their division. I want my fighters fighting the best. Others, who like people like Tszyu, the Klitschkos, some others, they seem to be content with their fighters fighting mediocre competition.

I'm not glad Zab fought Cosme Rivera, though I had fun watching the fight. Of course I'd rather him have been fighting Margarito.

Right, but Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams did...


:rolleyes:


Why can't you post in a Klitschko thread without sounding like a wounded and spiteful little troll? Always with the cussing....yo at least they werent using roids to get past Johny Ruiz, man how low can u go, gotta take roids to win against Ruiz.. hahahahahahahahaha. Face it Klitschko is the reall champion....

toney didnt cheat.get this through yalls head.why would he need drugs to beat bum ass ruiz.vit quitschko is just giving excuses as to why he wont fight toney.toney believing in his greatness is well deserved.toney has done a hell of alot more in boxing then quitschko.and if quitschko wanted to prove he is the best of the bums in the HW.he should fight all comers.his ass dont wont to fight anybody.he want to hold onto his paper title as long as his punk ass can.

That was not the most intelligent post I have ever read. Toney's accomplishments at the lower weights cannot be denied, but I can't help but notice that some are all too ready to acknowledge Toney's "greatness" at heavyweight based on his superb performances against a 92 year old Holyfield, a Tyrell (Who?) Booker, and Ruiz that was stupid enough to try to box anyone for 12 rounds and think he could win. It seems like some of you guys don't even pay attention to how this guy goes around looking sloppy fat, and shows up in the ring looking like Charles Atlas, albeit with a slight ponch. I do think that Toney could have beaten Ruiz regarless of what was or wasn't in his system, but it was never a given. This guy needs to realize he doesn't command the division, no title holder owes him anything, and that by acting like an idiot he's only going to **** himself in the end. He'd better hope he doesn't end up in the ring with VK, because he's gonna have a hard time blaming that beat down on anyone other than himself.

Toney didn't knowingly cheat. I wouldn't even call it cheating. He deserves a shot, of course. That's just racists talking trying to protect Vitali I think, saying he shouldn't fight Toney. If you really thought much of Vitali you'd at least claim you think Vitali would destroy Toney so let them fight.

That's the difference in me and a lot of people. I really get behind my fighters, have faith that they can beat everyone in their division. I want my fighters fighting the best. Others, who like people like Tszyu, the Klitschkos, some others, they seem to be content with their fighters fighting mediocre competition.

I'm not glad Zab fought Cosme Rivera, though I had fun watching the fight. Of course I'd rather him have been fighting Margarito.

The point here is that the Klitschko fans have no problem with Vitali facing Toney. The problem here is that Toney thinks that he's somebody he's not. He should be happy with what Vitali is offering him, and shut up.

I would love to see Vitali beat TOney's face in, but he has to play by his rules if he wants a shot. You think King will give him a shot at the IBF? Wladimir is already working toward that fight. WHile TOney is suspended for 2 years by the WBA. That leaves him with the WBC, and WBO. He can have his pick at which he wants.

Vitali Klitschko is 5-2 in Title fights, with the 5 wins comming over Herbie Hide, Ed Mahone, Obed Sullivan, Corrie Sanders, and Danny Williams. 4 of the 7 fights were WBO "title" fights.

James Toney is 11-1-1 (1 NC) in title fights (only lost to Roy Jones Jr), won titles at 160, 168, Cruiser, and Heavy (before it was turned into a no contest). All of his title fights were for either the WBC/IBF/WBA titles. Toney has also been regarded as the pound for pound #1 fighter in boxing on two occasions.

I'd say denying Toney's greatness would be ignorant.

And calling Toney "great" at heavy would be equally ignorant.

And calling Toney "great" at heavy would be equally ignorant.
damn u tore him...

damn u tore him...

I hope he gets so pissed he has a heart attack lol

Funny how all those Klitchko haters, think so highly of any Klitschko opposition! But how quickly they say that those who already lost to Klitchkos are no bodies.

e.g. The mule Sanders was gonna be The **** and take over the division because he destroyed Vlad.
But after Vitaly beat him.. "who the hell is Sanders? He was a washed up, out of shape journeyman"

Same said the same about TOS, Williams... As he dropped Tyson. But now Willliams is a no body (remember, "Klitchko has been fighting tomato cans')

Brwster and Toney are the new hottest thing....
Funny how all the haters jump on their band wagon saying either one will unify the division.
(I like Brewster and think he is the only one who could possess a threat)

If Vitaly drops Toney.. everyone will be saying he was just a fat middleweight.

Funny how if someone is a Klitchko hater, they think any of any Klitchko opposition so highly! But how quickly they say that those who already lost to Klitchkos are no bodies.

e.g. The mule Sanders was gonna be The **** and take over the division because he destroyed Vlad.
But after Vitaly beat him.. "who the hell is Sanders? He was a washed up, out of shape journeyman"

Same said the same about TOS, Williams... As he dropped Tyson. But now Willliams is a no body (remember, "Klitchko has been fighting tomato cans')

Brwster and Toney are the new hottest thing....
Funny how all the haters jump on their band wagon saying either one will unify the division.
(I like Brewster and think he is the only one who could possess a threat)

If Vitaly drops Toney.. everyone will be saying he was just a fat middleweight.

Every opponent Vitali has fought came in overweight, that was obviously they're own fault..

but the guy never actually fought some in shape tough opponents

all his tough opponents came in overweight..

Some of the guys on this site are as much fair weather fans as you will ever see, actually contradicting the term "fan."

He's fighting what's there, like Ezzard Charles, Marciano, and Larry Holmes did, as long as he keeps fighting them, there's not alot we can say except "there was nobody in his era to fight but an old LL"



Let me just clarify by saying that I believe that an in shape Lewis was as much a threat as he ever would have been, too bad his training went to ****. That's the #1 excuse VK haters and Lewis fans use for his retiring after beating VK, and I find it at least somewhat amusing.

Every opponent Vitali has fought came in overweight, that was obviously they're own fault..

but the guy never actually fought some in shape tough opponents

all his tough opponents came in overweight..Perhaps you could suggest Dr. Klitchko(s), that having PhD in Physical Education, they should watch their opposition's diet etc.

Then haters like yourself will gain more respect as the competition they fight would be in their best physical shape.

By the way... I already see the excuses for Toney....
He was soooooo out of shape when he fought Klitchko

Perhaps you could suggest Dr. Klitchko(s), that having PhD in Physical Education, they should watch their opposition's diet etc.

Then haters like yourself will gain more respect as the competition they fight would be in their best physical shape.

By the way... I already see the excuses for Toney....
He was soooooo out of shape when he fought Klitchko

How am I hater?

It's only the truth...

Toney is a fat blown up middlewieght..

How am I hater?

It's only the truth...

Toney is a fat blown up middlewieght..
Vitali is a joke, he acts like he's the greatest
He is a champion and should get his props...
I'm a big fan, but I personally think he is very volnurable and his time will come, until he proves me wrong.

But notice how everyone is predicting for the "Great Toney" to will win the fight and how Klitchko is not on Toney's lever as (you said it yourself) he has been fighting tomato cans

Toney vs Klitschko you better get it on before I get mad. lol. i think this fight will go the full route. No way Toney can knock this guy out. Lewis fired his best shots at vitali but it dont register. If ever one of them goes down, it will be toney.

Im sorry pal, but Toney never fought for the WBC, and he never won the WBA, well he did with the help of roids. His only claim to a title was IBF, and he was never really undisputed champ. His claim to greatness is nothing at the heavyweight division, and Vitali calls the shots there. So if he wants to prove himself, he will run under Vitali's circumstances.


Take away the least credible title (WBO) and Vitali has been in 3 title fights (2-1)

The point wasn't that Toney deserves the upper hand, it was that the "questioning his greatness" or "Toney doesn't deserve to fight for the WBC title" comments were ignorant.

Toney was the Ring Cruiser Champion after being the 1st to defeat Jirov, and his titles at multiple weight classes can't be denied.

And at Heavyweight, his win over Holyfield and the way he clearly outpointed Ruiz were just as noteworthy as any win Vitali has.

Vitali is talking like he's the undisputed Champion, and he's not.

He's one of 4 title holders, who's biggest career wins are over a 260lb Kirk Johnson, Larry Donald, and Corrie Sanders.

Your assertion that "He calls the shots at Heavyweight" is highly deluded.

I think Toney is still a worthy contender. However, since he blew his shot he's going to have to wait a bit. I think the best looking Heavywieght fight right now would be Brewster and Vitali. Brewster is fresh of his stunning 1st round KO of Golata and Vitali is on a mission to unify the titles and prove to everyone he's the real champ. This is where the money's at IMO. It's been a while since we've seen 2 heavywieght champs face off against each other for unification. I think the last time was Holyfield/Lewis. (could be wrong on that) But yeah. I hope Brewster/Vitali happens sooner rather than later.

Take away the least credible title (WBO) and Vitali has been in 3 title fights (2-1)

The point wasn't that Toney deserves the upper hand, it was that the "questioning his greatness" or "Toney doesn't deserve to fight for the WBC title" comments were ignorant.

Toney was the Ring Cruiser Champion after being the 1st to defeat Jirov, and his titles at multiple weight classes can't be denied.

And at Heavyweight, his win over Holyfield and the way he clearly outpointed Ruiz were just as noteworthy as any win Vitali has.

Vitali is talking like he's the undisputed Champion, and he's not.

He's one of 4 title holders, who's biggest career wins are over a 260lb Kirk Johnson, Larry Donald, and Corrie Sanders.

Your assertion that "He calls the shots at Heavyweight" is highly deluded.


I agree. Vitali's biggest wins haven't been any more impressive than Toney's wins over Hoylfield and Ruiz.

I also like to see all of the cheerleaders on this thread, "wow great post man you really tore him up."

If Toney/Klitschko ever came off and Klitschko did in fact knock James out or beat him convincingly I'd give him full respect. You wouldn't see any signs of "Toneys just a fat blownup middle" from me. You'd only get that **** from fairweather fans or anyone simply looking to discredit Vitali.

I'd like to see Vitali fight Brewster as well, as it's clear he should be able to fight in Sept and shouldn't have to wait idle while Rahman and Barrett heal up.

My comments about Toney were only in response to Vitali shrugging off Toney's 'greatness', and the idiot who said Toney doesn't deserve to fight for the WBC title.

I think Brewster would be a good fight for his Sept date, and if he makes it past that fight, it would lead to the defense agaisnt Rahman or Barrett at the end of the year.

I still think Toney should fight Byrd so he has a belt to bring to the table.

He is a champion and should get his props...
I'm a big fan, but I personally think he is very volnurable and his time will come, until he proves me wrong.

But notice how everyone is predicting for the "Great Toney" to will win the fight and how Klitchko is not on Toney's lever as (you said it yourself) he has been fighting tomato cans

I never said Toney can beat Klitschko....

omg ths is dude must be on crack! he said hes more marketable than Vitali and he wants a 50-50 split! Come on now, this dude has had 3 heavyweight fights Booker(who??) Evander (old as dirt) and Ruiz which he couldnt win fairly. And now he has a opportunity to fight for the most prestigeous title out there against the best heavyweight and he doesnt want any part of obviously

it's pretty funny how these guys keep trash talkin VK, then have issues with the money when it comes time to challenge for the title...they act like it'll be their last fight...

i think its pretty evident that VK is the center of the attention in the division... in the past year ruiz, byrd, rahman, brewster and toney have all talked about fighting him, but you hardly ever hear about them fighting each other(outside of toney anyways)...

**** Toney. The main draw is Vitali who is also the belt holder. No one gives a **** about James Toney, except for those who want to see his fat ass get beat.

**** Toney. The main draw is Vitali who is also the belt holder. No one gives a **** about James Toney, except for those who want to see his fat ass get beat.



Did James insult your family or something?

under the curcumstances in which he used them, plus the way he dominated a current champion, yes he should be allowed to fight for a title.

Dominated? No. Not at all. Ruiz was in the fight until maybe the last 2-3 rounds. Ruiz was out of shape and both of their performances were not that good. Toney hardly threw any punches and he allowed himself to get clinched more than he said he would.

He does deserve a 2nd chance though.

Also, Toney has not greatness at heavyweight. He will not get and does not deserve to get 50%. He is the challenger, period. He is not the draw either, by any stretch of the mind.

interesting........................

i don't think that Toney could win this one tho..

in my opinion toney could beat any man in the fight game today

Dominated? No. Not at all. Ruiz was in the fight until maybe the last 2-3 rounds. Ruiz was out of shape and both of their performances were not that good. Toney hardly threw any punches and he allowed himself to get clinched more than he said he would.

He does deserve a 2nd chance though.

Also, Toney has not greatness at heavyweight. He will not get and does not deserve to get 50%. He is the challenger, period. He is not the draw either, by any stretch of the mind.


When Toney fought Holyfield, the fight sold 150K PPV

When Klitschko fought Williams, it sold 125K.

Vitali is not a draw either.

And you can slag the "dominated" comment in regards to Ruiz all you want, but he CLEARLY outpointed Ruiz like no one has since Jones. Ruiz beat a lot of Heavyweights, and before losing to Toney had just as much claim to being a Heavyweight Champion as Klitschko did, and Toney (on very short notice and grossly out of shape) CLEARLY beat Ruiz.

There's no way that you can tell me that Vitali's top wins at Heavyweight (260lb Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, and Larry Donald) are any better than Toney's wins over Holyfield and Ruiz.

Toney might not be a bonafied PPV star at Heavyweight, but neiter is Vitali. Toney is certianly not "undeserving" of a shot when Danny Williams got one.

Neither of them are large draws, and I don't think Vitali would sell more PPV's fighting anyone outside of Mike Tyson than he would agaisnt James Toney.

"There's no way that you can tell me that Vitali's top wins at Heavyweight (260lb Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, and Larry Donald) are any better than Toney's wins over Holyfield and Ruiz."

Are you serious? Corrie Sanders alone is more dangerous than an old Holyfield and Ruiz fighting together in some kind of handicap match. As for Larry Donald, he just decisively beat Holyfield so there goes that comparison. Kirk Johnson? Yeah he came to fight in terrible shape but that's his problem. He's still one of the most talented heavyweights in the last few years and Vitali still took him on (not knowing he'd show up fat) and knocked his ass out.

So far Toney has beaten a shot Holy and an absolute clown in Ruiz. He signed to fight McCline but injured himself and managed to get out of it. Vitali on the other hand has challenged and held his own against Lennox Lewis (and was even winning at the time of the stoppage) the best heavyweight in the last 20 years and has beaten the guys you mentioned.

There is no comparing their resumes at heavyweight. Vitali's is so much better that you just look foolish attempting to do so. Kicking the living **** out of a fat Kirk Johnson and Corrie Sanders is ten times more impressive than decisioning an out of shape Ruiz and stopping a shot Holyfield.

"There's no way that you can tell me that Vitali's top wins at Heavyweight (260lb Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, and Larry Donald) are any better than Toney's wins over Holyfield and Ruiz."

Are you serious? Corrie Sanders alone is more dangerous than an old Holyfield and Ruiz fighting together in some kind of handicap match. As for Larry Donald, he just decisively beat Holyfield so there goes that comparison. Kirk Johnson? Yeah he came to fight in terrible shape but that's his problem. He's still one of the most talented heavyweights in the last few years and Vitali still took him on (not knowing he'd show up fat) and knocked his ass out.

So far Toney has beaten a shot Holy and an absolute clown in Ruiz. He signed to fight McCline but injured himself and managed to get out of it. Vitali on the other hand has challenged and held his own against Lennox Lewis (and was even winning at the time of the stoppage) the best heavyweight in the last 20 years and has beaten the guys you mentioned.

There is no comparing their resumes at heavyweight. Vitali's is so much better that you just look foolish attempting to do so. Kicking the living **** out of a fat Kirk Johnson and Corrie Sanders is ten times more impressive than decisioning an out of shape Ruiz and stopping a shot Holyfield.



I really don't care what you think.

You just put a positive spin on Johnson, Sanders, and Donald to suit your biased take. You are entitled to feel however you want, but don't act like it's gosple.

Those are Vitali's top 3 wins, and there's no way they're any more credible wins than Toney's destruction of Holyfield, or his outpointing Ruiz.

Vitali has never beat an A class fighter at Heavyweight, and I'm tired of hearing the song and dance about Corrie Sanders being He Man, or having "so much potential". He was a 40 year old out of shape golfer when he fought Vitali.

Vitali is very unproven at Heavyweight having lost the two biggest fights of his career and boasting a handfull of wins over B level fighters.

He's talking in that interview like he's undisputed, and you're twisting his resume to back that notion up.

There are many people that don't buy it.

He's one of 4 title holders in the weakest point in the history of the division, and has much left to prove.

I'm not asking you to agree with that, but don't tell me it's foolish to think othewise.

Vitali, Toney and his manager see only two problems before this fight will take place: financial and recognition of James’ greatness.

What does this mean? Recognition of Toney's 'Greatness'?

Recognition by who? For what? How? Why?!

I dont get it, doee he want VK to say he's great?!

What is so likeable about Vitali Klitschko ? HE is a tall , Lurch looking heavyweight. He doesnt have character , and I have yet to see him in a superfight. How is he as good as everyone says and he hasnt even had a superfight? True the division ,isnt really strong , but of he was so good he would have unified them belts a long time ago.

Out of all his fights, Toney (5'9")has never fought anyone over 6'3" while Vitali (6'8") has made a career out of knocking out shorter opponents.

It's Toney that has to prove he belongs in the ring with Vitali, not the other way around.

Toney is tough though, in fact so tough, he'll probably take the beating of a lifetime against Vitali on his way to being KO'ed

Out of all his fights, Toney's(5'9") never fought anyone over 6'3" while Vitali (6'8") has made a career out of knocking out smaller opponents.

It's Toney that has to prove he belongs in the ring with Vitali, not the other way around.


Beating Holyfield and Ruiz showed that Toney at the very least deserves to be in the same ring.

Again, Vitali is a title holder, not an undisputed champion.

If Danny Williams proved he belonged in the ring with Vitali by beating a washed up Mike Tyson, surely Toney (who brutally beat down and stopped a washed up Holyfield and bettered John Ruiz) deserves the distinction.

Beating Holyfield and Ruiz showed that Toney at the very least deserves to be in the same ring.


Not without the juice!

Not without the juice!

Don't be ignorant.

Toney's body built up the substance he was busted for as a result of the medication he was taking. With the way his body looked and with his low output (throwing and countering only when necessary) it was obvious he wasn't purposly taking a gainer.

Toney was fat and lathargic, and he still exposed the limted Ruiz.

But even without that win, Toney is the former Ring Cruiserweight Cahmpion, and held titles at 160 and 168.

Saying Toney doesn't deserve to be in the ring with Vitali when Danny Williams got a crack is ignorant.

I think that you are all missing what is really going on here! I don't want to call Toney a coward but it seems to me like he is purposely trying to price himself out of the fight with Vitali. After testing positive, whether intentionally taking roids or not, there is no way any fighter in their right mind would think that they deserve a 50/50 split against any champ!

Toney doesn't want to fight Vitali! Period!!!

What is so likeable about Vitali Klitschko ? HE is a tall , Lurch looking heavyweight. He doesnt have character , and I have yet to see him in a superfight. How is he as good as everyone says and he hasnt even had a superfight? True the division ,isnt really strong , but of he was so good he would have unified them belts a long time ago.how can he unify the belts if Dong King controls the other 3 HW titlists, no way Don King is gonna let anyone of his titleholders fight Klitschko...

not to mention he's only been champ for a little over a year, how was he supposed to unify the titles in that amount of time?

not to mention he's only been champ for a little over a year, how was he supposed to unify the titles in that amount of time?

unify the titles in that amount of time he should not. Toney victorious over Vitali Klitschko he wont be.

When Toney fought Holyfield, the fight sold 150K PPV

When Klitschko fought Williams, it sold 125K.

Vitali is not a draw either.

And you can slag the "dominated" comment in regards to Ruiz all you want, but he CLEARLY outpointed Ruiz like no one has since Jones. Ruiz beat a lot of Heavyweights, and before losing to Toney had just as much claim to being a Heavyweight Champion as Klitschko did, and Toney (on very short notice and grossly out of shape) CLEARLY beat Ruiz.

There's no way that you can tell me that Vitali's top wins at Heavyweight (260lb Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, and Larry Donald) are any better than Toney's wins over Holyfield and Ruiz.

Toney might not be a bonafied PPV star at Heavyweight, but neiter is Vitali. Toney is certianly not "undeserving" of a shot when Danny Williams got one.

Neither of them are large draws, and I don't think Vitali would sell more PPV's fighting anyone outside of Mike Tyson than he would agaisnt James Toney.

Holyfield is a bigger draw than any of them. Klitschko sells more tickets than Toney. Toney fighting Holyfield got 150,000 (which is nothing) because of Holyfield. Klitschko-Williams did not have the intrigue of a middleweight vs faded heavyweight, but at least both fighters were in their prime.

I can slag the dominated comments all I want? Ok, I did. And I will. Thanks for your permission. 5 weeks notice is not very short. Toney should have looked better than he did, and then there is the whole issue of steroids. Don't need 'em, don't take him...but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and roll with the doctor's excuse.

Klitschko's PERFORMANCES have been better. It's how he wins. Toney stopped a toothless Evander Holyfield, and that meant NOTHING. The Ruiz win was decent but tainted. Klitschko fought well with the undisputed champ Lewis, did Toney? I'm sure you will counter with a very predictable "but who won that fight" argument...but in any case, +Klitschko stops opponents he's supposed to stop. Toney was supposed to stop Ruiz according to many people on here and himself, but did he? No. Klitschko has been at heavyweight his whole career has been successful. Klitschko is the more legitimate and successful heavyweight. The Bible of Boxing agrees (Ring Mag that is). The Ring is the most respect authority on the issue, and most fans feel the same way. Klitschko is the best right now is most people's eyes. However, since I'm sure you will discount everything I just said about The Ring etc etc, here's some more for you partner.

Toney didn't beat Ruiz. It's a no contest, as in the fight doesn't count. So no, he doesn't hold a win over Ruiz. Also, plain as day, Klitschko is a champion. He has the Ring ranking and the WBC belt. Toney is not a champ. He is the challenger to an official champion, and he is the underdog, and Klitschko is seen as the most legit heavy out there (whether you agree or not, that's the way it is viewed).

Pay attention to what I type. Toney is as deserving as anyone to get a shot at Klitschko, but he does NOT deserve to call the shots financially or claim he is being ducked just because he doesn't get a 50-50 split.

When Toney fought Holyfield, the fight sold 150K PPV

When Klitschko fought Williams, it sold 125K.

Vitali is not a draw either.


Bozo, Holyfield was the draw, not Toney!
Wake up... and go wash yourself, because you've been digging in Klitchko's **** far too long. "Troll" haha

Vitaly is the one with the belt and has something Toney wants, not vise-versa.
Therefore Toney should be lucky he has a title shot. Not to make stupid.. "I want 50/50 or no fight excuses.

I don't know why all you guys are so quick to forgive or excuse Toney of his steroid use. IMO he doesn't deserve a title shot so soon after this 'roid' controversy. I think he should work for a shot at a world title maybe after 1 or 2 impressive wins over some decent competition.

Toney should fight Klitschko if he doesnt hes a wimp and all his trash talking **** is all bull****t, why he doesnt become a man and get some balls and realize he is being offered 35-65 split to fight for the wbc title, he thinks Klitschko will agree to 50-50 hell no Vitali wont hes the champ he makes the deals not pieace of **** James Toney...

Holyfield is a bigger draw than any of them. Klitschko sells more tickets than Toney. Toney fighting Holyfield got 150,000 (which is nothing) because of Holyfield. Klitschko-Williams did not have the intrigue of a middleweight vs faded heavyweight, but at least both fighters were in their prime.

I can slag the dominated comments all I want? Ok, I did. And I will. Thanks for your permission. 5 weeks notice is not very short. Toney should have looked better than he did, and then there is the whole issue of steroids. Don't need 'em, don't take him...but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and roll with the doctor's excuse.

Klitschko's PERFORMANCES have been better. It's how he wins. Toney stopped a toothless Evander Holyfield, and that meant NOTHING. The Ruiz win was decent but tainted. Klitschko fought well with the undisputed champ Lewis, did Toney? I'm sure you will counter with a very predictable "but who won that fight" argument...but in any case, +Klitschko stops opponents he's supposed to stop. Toney was supposed to stop Ruiz according to many people on here and himself, but did he? No. Klitschko has been at heavyweight his whole career has been successful. Klitschko is the more legitimate and successful heavyweight. The Bible of Boxing agrees (Ring Mag that is). The Ring is the most respect authority on the issue, and most fans feel the same way. Klitschko is the best right now is most people's eyes. However, since I'm sure you will discount everything I just said about The Ring etc etc, here's some more for you partner.

Toney didn't beat Ruiz. It's a no contest, as in the fight doesn't count. So no, he doesn't hold a win over Ruiz. Also, plain as day, Klitschko is a champion. He has the Ring ranking and the WBC belt. Toney is not a champ. He is the challenger to an official champion, and he is the underdog, and Klitschko is seen as the most legit heavy out there (whether you agree or not, that's the way it is viewed).

Pay attention to what I type. Toney is as deserving as anyone to get a shot at Klitschko, but he does NOT deserve to call the shots financially or claim he is being ducked just because he doesn't get a 50-50 split.


- Toney was just as much responsible for the PPV sales as Holyfield was. When Holyfield fought Byrd, it wasn't even PPV.

- Klitschko's wins you say that looked better were against MEANINGLESS competition. Classic nut hugger mentality to say him chasing 40 year old COrrie Sanders around for 8 rounds looked good. So what? HE HAS STILL YET TO BEAT AN 'A' CLASS FIGHTER.

- Klitschko 'stops the opponents he's supposed to stop' when thye're 'B' and 'C' class opponents. Maybe you're impressed with him stopping Williams and Sanders, but I'm not. NATE TUBBS stopped Sanders in 2 rounds, Sinan Samil Sam stopped Williams in 6 rounds. Is that impressive for them? He's also knocked out Obed Sullivan, Ross Purity, and Orlin Norris. Should I list all the other fighters to knock them out? Is that impressive?

- Klitschko is "A" champion, not "the" champion, and while Toney may not be entitled to a 50/50 split, I don't think it's out of line for him to want it. He's a more accomplished fighter overall, and is a future lock for the Hall of Fame. Klitschko is not.

The bottom line is that if and when Kltischko decides to fight Byrd or Ruiz in a unification fight, it wouldn't be on PPV.

If he fights Toney, it almost certainly would, and it would generate more money than any other unification fight.

Financially, it might be in his best interest.

Bozo, Holyfield was the draw, not Toney!
Wake up... and go wash yourself, because you've been digging in Klitchko's **** far too long. "Troll" haha

Vitaly is the one with the belt and has something Toney wants, not vise-versa.
Therefore Toney should be lucky he has a title shot. Not to make stupid.. "I want 50/50 or no fight excuses.


Holyfield wasn't even on PPV when he fought Byrd for a title, but WAS on PPV agaisnt Toney.

Remove your head from Vitali's ass and ask yourself why that would be?

Don't be angry and bitter with me that you made a hateful thread about me and everyone mocked you.

Like I always tell you: You're bitter and wounded at some of the things I've said to you before, and it's evident in your ongoing spitefulness towards me.

I call you a troll for follwing me around, and then you call me a troll. Why not just eliminate the middle man and drop me an "I know you are but what am I"?

Grow up.

outside of VK and toney, you could argue that there aren't any "A" fighters in the division, so it's hard to criticize VK for not fighting any "A" fighters when they're arent hardly any... you might could argue byrd, but then he's struggled with every fighter "B" fighter he's faced and lost badly to wlad and ike... i think VK has fought guys(sanders, KJ, donald) just as good as ruiz, rahman, byrd, brewster, etc

outside of VK and toney, you could argue that there aren't any "A" fighters in the division, so it's hard to criticize VK for not fighting any "A" fighters when they're arent hardly any... you might could argue byrd, but then he's struggled with every fighter "B" fighter he's faced and lost badly to wlad and ike... i think VK has fought guys(sanders, KJ, donald) just as good as ruiz, rahman, byrd, brewster, etc


I don't fault him for not beating 'A' class fighters that aren't there, but I don't jump all over his jock automaticlly assuming he would beat them, nor do I think his domination of 'B' and 'C' level fighters earns him the same credit.

He's still a large akward strong Heavyweight who's one of 4 major title holders in one of the weakest points in the history of the Heavyweight divsion. His record isn't bad, but it isn't overly impressive either.

The division is wide open, and up for the taking. He just has to step up and take it, something I don't think he deserves the credit for until he actually does it.

He still has a lot left to prove.

unlike the other champs i think VK is trying... well, i guess ruiz tried but failed by losing to rj and toney... brewster and byrd just fight whatever king feeds them... i think you will see vk fight some of these guys(rahman/barrett, byrd, toney, brewster) in the next year or two.. while ruiz, byrd and brewster will not even attempt to unify with each other...

Holyfield wasn't even on PPV when he fought Byrd for a title, but WAS on PPV agaisnt Toney.

So? Toney's a bigger draw than Byrd. And? Flies draw **** quicker than Byrd draws fans.


- Klitschko's wins you say that looked better were against MEANINGLESS competition. Classic nut hugger mentality to say him chasing 40 year old COrrie Sanders around for 8 rounds looked good. So what? HE HAS STILL YET TO BEAT AN 'A' CLASS FIGHTER.

Corrie Sanders was a top 10 heavyweight. Out of shape or not. He has a history of coming in out of shape, but still, half or more of the "experts" and fans picked him to win. Revise history all you want (because that is what you are doing when you say his victory over a top 10 heavyweight in meaningless when half of everyone picked him to lose). I'm a nut-hugger now, because I disagree with you hyping up Toney's 2 wins and no contest at heavyweight as being on par with Klitschko's heavyweight resume? Ok. Also, tell me what A class fighter is out there to beat? There are none, not even Toney. Toney is not an a-class heavyweight bybeating Oldyfield, Booker, and NC vs Ruiz. And I'm a "nuthugger"...right.

NATE TUBBS stopped Sanders in 2 rounds, Sinan Samil Sam stopped Williams in 6 rounds. Is that impressive for them? He's also knocked out Obed Sullivan, Ross Purity, and Orlin Norris. Should I list all the other fighters to knock them out? Is that impressive?

Sanders has a penchant for underacheiving so that's no surprise to anyone. Sanders was not considered a top 10 guy when Tubbs stopped him. Also, Williams has the same history as Sanders. Again...so what? Never did I say I was in awe of Klitschko's resume, but he is the best out there. Certainly better than Toney.

- Klitschko is "A" champion, not "the" champion, and while Toney may not be entitled to a 50/50 split, I don't think it's out of line for him to want it. He's a more accomplished fighter overall, and is a future lock for the Hall of Fame. Klitschko is not.

Klitschko is THE champion of the people, meaning the majority consider him champ. However, he doesn't have to be THE champ technically to get a higher split. He just needs to be a champ, period, and he is. Toney's not entitled to a 50-50 split so if he backs out of the fight for not getting it, it's his own fault and problem. Toney is not accomplished at heavyweight. Toney can have a better career all day long, and he does, but he wants to be the best heavyweight and he can only do that by backing up his talk of defeating Klitschko. Demanding 50-50 when you do not deserve it perhaps shows he doesn't want to be the best heavyweight.

The bottom line is that if and when Kltischko decides to fight Byrd or Ruiz in a unification fight, it wouldn't be on PPV.

That's not the bottom line at all. The bottom line is not about PPV, it's about who is the best. Toney wants to be the best, then step up to the plate and fight the man most think is the best (whether you disagree or not).

If he fights Toney, it almost certainly would, and it would generate more money than any other unification fight.

Financially, it might be in his best interest.

I agree, financially.

unlike the other champs i think VK is trying... well, i guess ruiz tried but failed by losing to rj and toney... brewster and byrd just fight whatever king feeds them... i think you will see vk fight some of these guys(rahman/barrett, byrd, toney, brewster) in the next year or two.. while ruiz, byrd and brewster will not even attempt to unify with each other...


Trying by fighting Danny Williams and then taking half a year off?

I'm not saying he isn't trying, and I know he's been injured, but come on.

He's done nothing more than any of the other titlists.

They're all in the same boat, and just as much to blame as the other.

Trying by fighting Danny Williams and then taking half a year off?

I'm not saying he isn't trying, and I know he's been injured, but come on.

He's done nothing more than any of the other titlists.

They're all in the same boat, and just as much to blame as the other.


DW was his first defense and he hasn't been champ as long as the other guys... i agree he hasn't done any more than they have, but they shoulder more blame...

So? Toney's a bigger draw than Byrd. And? Flies draw **** quicker than Byrd draws fans.




Corrie Sanders was a top 10 heavyweight. Out of shape or not. He has a history of coming in out of shape, but still, half or more of the "experts" and fans picked him to win. Revise history all you want (because that is what you are doing when you say his victory over a top 10 heavyweight in meaningless when half of everyone picked him to lose). I'm a nut-hugger now, because I disagree with you hyping up Toney's 2 wins and no contest at heavyweight as being on par with Klitschko's heavyweight resume? Ok. Also, tell me what A class fighter is out there to beat? There are none, not even Toney. Toney is not an a-class heavyweight bybeating Oldyfield, Booker, and NC vs Ruiz. And I'm a "nuthugger"...right.



Sanders has a penchant for underacheiving so that's no surprise to anyone. Sanders was not considered a top 10 guy when Tubbs stopped him. Also, Williams has the same history as Sanders. Again...so what? Never did I say I was in awe of Klitschko's resume, but he is the best out there. Certainly better than Toney.



Klitschko is THE champion of the people, meaning the majority consider him champ. However, he doesn't have to be THE champ technically to get a higher split. He just needs to be a champ, period, and he is. Toney's not entitled to a 50-50 split so if he backs out of the fight for not getting it, it's his own fault and problem. Toney is not accomplished at heavyweight. Toney can have a better career all day long, and he does, but he wants to be the best heavyweight and he can only do that by backing up his talk of defeating Klitschko. Demanding 50-50 when you do not deserve it perhaps shows he doesn't want to be the best heavyweight.



That's not the bottom line at all. The bottom line is not about PPV, it's about who is the best. Toney wants to be the best, then step up to the plate and fight the man most think is the best (whether you disagree or not).



I agree, financially.

I pointed out that when Holyfield fought Byrd, it was not PPV, but when he fought Toney it was. This is beacuse Toney (having beat Jirov for the Ring Cruiserweight belt in fight of the year) brings fans to the table, thus he IS a marketable fighter. His PPV with Holyfield did more buys than any PPV Vitali's ever been on, and that was NOT specificly because of Holyfield, as you seemed to be saying.



I'm not even going to comment further on the Sanders thing. You spent way too much time trying to paint him as anything other than a fringe contender, which is what he was.

I said that is one of my #1 complaints about Vitali nut huggers: Trying to make Corrie Sanders out to be a world class fighter.

If you took that to mean you're a nut hugger... I guess if the shoe fits...


Klitschko is not "the" People's champion. He's 'A' champion, and I already said that because he has "A" title, his request for a higher purse is acceptable, but I am not convinced it would be sanctioned with his title on the line.

If it's not, that's an even weaker case. If the bottom line is not about money as you say, then Vitali should jump at the chance to beat Toney (who would be his biggest win to date) and make more money than he would fighting Byrd or Ruiz.

Toney is a PPV draw, and if he and Klitschko fight eachother on PPV, they both benifit from the PPV sales. What he makes up in giving the extra 15% to Toney might be made up in gate and PPV sales.

DW was his first defense and he hasn't been champ as long as the other guys... i agree he hasn't done any more than they have, but they shoulder more blame...

You think that because you're a big Vitali fan, and that's fine.

No one's made an attempt to unify yet, and no one knows what will happen from here on in. Only time will tell.

I said that is one of my #1 complaints about Vitali nut huggers: Trying to make Corrie Sanders out to be a world class fighter.

If you took that to mean you're a nut hugger... I guess if the shoe fits...

No I pretty much took it you called me a nuthugger when you said I was nuthugging. Remember that, gringo?

Sanders was world-class, for a short time, in this not-so-great era.

I can't continue to deal with your hating rebuttals because obviously you will never see how wrong you are, and find things to argue about and contend that aren't even being discussed.

Good day (^_^) :boxing:

You think that because you're a big Vitali fan, and that's fine.

No one's made an attempt to unify yet, and no one knows what will happen from here on in. Only time will tell.


i just dont think the other 3 champs will fight each other, i guess king will not allow it... as long as they've been champs they dont even mention each other...

No I pretty much took it you called me a nuthugger when you said I was nuthugging. Remember that, gringo?

Sanders was world-class, for a short time, in this not-so-great era.

I can't continue to deal with your hating rebuttals because obviously you will never see how wrong you are, and find things to argue about and contend that aren't even being discussed.

Good day (^_^) :boxing:


Sanders was an inactive fringe contender who golfed more than he boxed before circumstance put him in a situation where he was able to crack Wlad Klitschko's glass chin to get him a # 1 ranking.

He was NOT a world class fighter at any point in his career. He was 40 years old when he fought Vitali, and looked like he had a grandfathers' build:

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It is also classic nut huggers mentality to call those who don't feed into the Klitschko hype "hateful" and make comments like "can't see how wrong you are".

I have a different opinion than you. That's all there is to it.

i just dont think the other 3 champs will fight each other, i guess king will not allow it... as long as they've been champs they dont even mention each other...

At this point, there's just as much chance as any of them fighting one another.

Klitschko will be forced to fight the Rahman vs Barrett winner, and after that, if he hasn't already, he will sign on with Don King to co promote him as he (hopefully) attempts to unify.

After winning the WBA title, Toney and Byrd were in serious discussions to unify agaisnt eachother, but that went down the tubes when Toney was stripped.

A lot will depend now on what Ruiz does, and who Brewster fights, although I don't really regard the WBO title as a very important one.

No I pretty much took it you called me a nuthugger when you said I was nuthugging. Remember that, gringo?

Sanders was world-class, for a short time, in this not-so-great era.

I can't continue to deal with your hating rebuttals because obviously you will never see how wrong you are, and find things to argue about and contend that aren't even being discussed.

Good day (^_^) :boxing:


hey whered i come into this?

I don't understand why most of you keep having conversations with this clown? You only encourage him when you respond...


Most of the time I have him on ignore and don't even see his posts.. but then "you" reply and include his biased, retarded, hatred into your post.


Get the point it's useless... Let the Klitchkos do your talking for you in the ring.. and for now, it's pointless to talk to this retard.

I don't understand why most of you keep having conversations with this clown? You only encourage him when you respond...


Most of the time I have him on ignore and don't even see his posts.. but then "you" reply and include his biased, retarded, hatred into your post.


Get the point it's useless... Let the Klitchkos do your talking for you in the ring.. and for now, it's pointless to talk to this retard.


LOL!

You ignore me by creating threads about me?

As always, I ask you to point out where I said anything hateful.

Oh thats right, you can't. You can only sulk, stick your head in the sand, and call me hatefull for not sharing your nut hugging views.

Stop being such a baby, accept that not eveyone has the same blind devotion for the Klitschkos that you do, and stop crying all the time.

At this point, there's just as much chance as any of them fighting one another.

Klitschko will be forced to fight the Rahman vs Barrett winner, and after that, if he hasn't already, he will sign on with Don King to co promote him as he (hopefully) attempts to unify.

After winning the WBA title, Toney and Byrd were in serious discussions to unify agaisnt eachother, but that went down the tubes when Toney was stripped.

A lot will depend now on what Ruiz does, and who Brewster fights, although I don't really regard the WBO title as a very important one.


king's clowns always talk about fighting VK and after VK they'll mention toney, but rarely do they talk about fighting each other for as long as they've been champs... that's why i blame them(and king)more than anyone else... it doesn't seem king will let them fight each other(ruiz, byrd, brewster)... which means until a non-king fighter take the belts away from them, we'll be in this situation... the future of the division will depend on VK, toney, wlad, peter, brock and other non king fighters willing to fight each other...

Sanders was 38, not 40 when he fought Klitschkos. So you can stop misleading about that now.

And he was world-class. Like it's that hard to be world-class in today's heavyweight division. Many ppl picked him to win (probably you due to your hating) and he was top 5 by Ring.

He was 38, and yes, he was world class.

End of discussion.

Sanders was 38, not 40 when he fought Klitschkos. So you can stop misleading about that now.

And he was world-class. Like it's that hard to be world-class in today's heavyweight division. Many ppl picked him to win (probably you due to your hating) and he was top 5 by Ring.

He was 38, and yes, he was world class.

End of discussion.
He just got it all wrong.. it was Holyfield who was 40 when he fought Toney... clown's mistake

the heaveyweight division is the worst division itz only tyson i check for an hes **** aswell hope toney faces klitschko an knocks him out

the heaveyweight division is the worst division itz only tyson i check for an hes **** aswell hope toney faces klitschko an knocks him out
toney will get his ass ripped up....

Sanders was 38, not 40 when he fought Klitschkos. So you can stop misleading about that now.

And he was world-class. Like it's that hard to be world-class in today's heavyweight division. Many ppl picked him to win (probably you due to your hating) and he was top 5 by Ring.

He was 38, and yes, he was world class.

End of discussion.


You're fooling yourself.

He was out of shape, inactive, and never took the sport seriously.

You calling Corrie Sanders world class is the end of the conversation. That couldn't be farther from the truth or
more ignorant.


He just got it all wrong.. it was Holyfield who was 40 when he fought Toney... clown's mistake

So Holyfield (top ten Heavyweight of all time) is a bad opponent at 40, but Corrie Sanders is World Class opponent at 38?

Well done.

You do nothing but further illustrate how thin the air is up there in Vitali's rectum.

When Toney fought Holyfield, the fight sold 150K PPV

When Klitschko fought Williams, it sold 125K.

Vitali is not a draw either.

And you can slag the "dominated" comment in regards to Ruiz all you want, but he CLEARLY outpointed Ruiz like no one has since Jones. Ruiz beat a lot of Heavyweights, and before losing to Toney had just as much claim to being a Heavyweight Champion as Klitschko did, and Toney (on very short notice and grossly out of shape) CLEARLY beat Ruiz.

There's no way that you can tell me that Vitali's top wins at Heavyweight (260lb Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, and Larry Donald) are any better than Toney's wins over Holyfield and Ruiz.

Toney might not be a bonafied PPV star at Heavyweight, but neiter is Vitali. Toney is certianly not "undeserving" of a shot when Danny Williams got one.

Neither of them are large draws, and I don't think Vitali would sell more PPV's fighting anyone outside of Mike Tyson than he would agaisnt James Toney.

Vitali by himself sold 125K

Toney is supposed to a big name right, along with Holyfield, and together they combined 150K.

But how about this you wanna talk numbers? Vitali vs Sanders drew a sold out crowd at Staples Center, as did Vitali vs Johnson.

Toney vs Ruiz, had 10,000 fans and thats after hard promoting, and conference fights.

Wanna hear something else? Tyson vs Williams, brought in a sold out crowd and 450K ppv buys.

Beating Holyfield and Ruiz showed that Toney at the very least deserves to be in the same ring.

Again, Vitali is a title holder, not an undisputed champion.

If Danny Williams proved he belonged in the ring with Vitali by beating a washed up Mike Tyson, surely Toney (who brutally beat down and stopped a washed up Holyfield and bettered John Ruiz) deserves the distinction.

Toney didnt beat Ruiz pal, or have you forgot that he took steroids for that fight?

BTW a 98 year old Tyson would still be more dangerous than today's Holyfield.

So lets reviews Toney's resume again? A future hall of famer in Rydell Booker, and a prime Evander Holyfield right???? Yeah lets keep dreaming.

You're fooling yourself.

He was out of shape, inactive, and never took the sport seriously.

You calling Corrie Sanders world class is the end of the conversation. That couldn't be farther from the truth or
more ignorant.




So Holyfield (top ten Heavyweight of all time) is a bad opponent at 40, but Corrie Sanders is World Class opponent at 38?

Well done.

You do nothing but further illustrate how thin the air is up there in Vitali's rectum.

So I guess since Hopkins is at 40 he isnt world class, nor is Tarver since soon he will be pushin 37 right? You sound like a complete idiot. How about Sanders win over no.1 challenger Wlad at that time equals better to any of Holyfields victories since his stoppage of Michael Moorer back in 98. Beating Holyfield at the stage he was is and was pointless. Beating Sanders after he sparked the no.1 heavyweight, and earned himself the no.3 ranking by Ring Magazine, and no.2 ranking by WBC, is an achievment in deed. Do you really think Holyfield would be able to beat Sanders?

The fact that Sanders is 6'4", a southpaw, lightning quick, has a solid chin, and is one of the heaviest punchers at the top level in the last few years is lost on you.

Ask any pro heavyweight who has sparred with Sanders if he is world class and you will get laughed at. True, he is the biggest waste of talent since Tyson, but an out of shape Sanders is still more dangerous than an ancient Holyfield who had nothing to offer.

Maybe you guys need to take a look at Corrie Sanders Record

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001728

Prior to being put in a situation where he was able to blow out a glass chinned Wlad Klitschko in about 120 seconds of work, he had fought 3 times (5 rounds) since 2000.

He was an out of shape golfer who did a good job in taking advantage of the situation he was put in when he fought Wlad, but that doesn't change the fact he was a fringe contender who never amounted to anything.

I don't care how powerful or fast you thought he was, or how much potential you thought he had.

LOOK at his record:

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001728

He was the very definition of a fringe contender.

He may have been a more solid win than Danny Williams or Obed Sullivan, but I tired of hearing you raving fanatics talk about him like he was he man.

He was a FRINGE CONTENDER, who took advantage of fighting a glass chinned Wlad Klitschko, which got him a big payday agaisnt Vitali.

Stop kidding yourselves.

So lets reviews Toney's resume again? A future hall of famer in Rydell Booker, and a prime Evander Holyfield right???? Yeah lets keep dreaming.


Have you forgot who's resume we're compairing it agianst?

Vitali Klitschko's biggest career wins are agaisnt a 260lb Kirk Johnson, an old and out of shape Corrie Sanders, and Larry Donald.

Hardly anymore impressive.

And don't forget that Toney was the ring cruiserweight champion before defeating Holyfield, and champion at two different weight classes before that.

Some of you keep talking like Vitali has a spectactular resume.
FAR from it.


Oh, and why don't you try compairing Corrie Sanders to Bernard Hopkins again and then tell me I'm the idiot. That REALLY helps your case.

Have you forgot who's resume we're compairing it agianst?

Vitali Klitschko's biggest career wins are agaisnt a 260lb Kirk Johnson, an old and out of shape Corrie Sanders, and Larry Donald.

Hardly anymore impressive.

And don't forget that Toney was the ring cruiserweight champion before defeating Holyfield, and champion at two different weight classes before that.

Some of you keep talking like Vitali has a spectactular resume.
FAR from it.


Oh, and why don't you try compairing Corrie Sanders to Bernard Hopkins again and then tell me I'm the idiot. That REALLY helps your case.

so you think that toney will beat vk?????

You're fooling yourself.


So Holyfield (top ten Heavyweight of all time) is a bad opponent at 40, but Corrie Sanders is World Class opponent at 38?

Well done.

You do nothing but further illustrate how thin the air is up there in Vitali's rectum.


Basically you are saying that Ring mag has no clue what they are talking about? :confused:

Have you forgot who's resume we're compairing it agianst?

Vitali Klitschko's biggest career wins are agaisnt a 260lb Kirk Johnson, an old and out of shape Corrie Sanders, and Larry Donald.

Hardly anymore impressive.

And don't forget that Toney was the ring cruiserweight champion before defeating Holyfield, and champion at two different weight classes before that.

Some of you keep talking like Vitali has a spectactular resume.
FAR from it.


Oh, and why don't you try compairing Corrie Sanders to Bernard Hopkins again and then tell me I'm the idiot. That REALLY helps your case.

Toney's record at lower weight classes does nothing to prove his "greatness" at heavy, and that's what we're talking about right? I mean, you're not saying that because he held titles at 160 and 168, he's going to KO Vk or any other of the "big" heavies, or that he's even in their league at heavy, right?
The bottom line is, Toney has had a very impressive career, but VK is an established heavyweight, and Toney has yet to prove anything at heavy really...

Vitali Klitschko's biggest career wins are agaisnt a 260lb Kirk Johnson, an old and out of shape Corrie Sanders, and Larry Donald.


Any of which would KTFO toney whether on or off drugs. Stupid comparison. Look at Toney's resume...Vitali KTFO any of them with the exception of Ruiz.

Any of which would KTFO toney whether on or off drugs. Stupid comparison. Look at Toney's resume...Vitali KTFO any of them with the exception of Ruiz.
hed KO ruiz especially.

Ruiz KTFO Vitali and Wlad at the same time.

Ruiz KTFO Vitali and Wlad at the same time.
thats just childish raving. typical ruiz fan... what a minute... ruiz doesnt have any fans... oh, what has the world and heavyweight division come to?

Ruiz owns the hw division. The one and only true champ with best title defense record.

Ruiz owns the hw division. The one and only true champ with best title defense record.
he just lost his title, then got it handed to him on a silver platter... again... cuz he never really won it except when he beat holyfield. thats not even a defense record. that doesnt even constitute as a record period.

You're fooling yourself.

He was out of shape, inactive, and never took the sport seriously.

You calling Corrie Sanders world class is the end of the conversation. That couldn't be farther from the truth or
more ignorant.




So Holyfield (top ten Heavyweight of all time) is a bad opponent at 40, but Corrie Sanders is World Class opponent at 38?

Well done.

You do nothing but further illustrate how thin the air is up there in Vitali's rectum.
You are really not thinking about wat u are saying, Corrie Sanders would whoop on anyother title holder in the HW division I mean he would flat out lay them fools out, so please stop with your bull****t...

You are really not thinking about wat u are saying, Corrie Sanders would whoop on anyother title holder in the HW division I mean he would flat out lay them fools out, so please stop with your bull****t...


Your crystal ball tells you that does it?

You can speak about fight that haven't happened like you know what would happen?

I guess that's what makes you such a good Vitali fan.

Your crystal ball tells you that does it?

You can speak about fight that haven't happened like you know what would happen?

I guess that's what makes you such a good Vitali fan.
i know that would happen the rest of those guys are horrible, I am only speaking the truth...

Ruiz the top fighter in the hw div. That much is clear as day.

Ruiz the top fighter in the hw div. That much is clear as day.


I would LOVE to see Ruiz try to man-hug Vitali. Vitali by KO in 5

I would LOVE to see Ruiz try to man-hug Vitali. Vitali by KO in 5
KO in 3.


Pretender, where have you been lately?

Klitschko needs to stop being a wuss and face Rahman. If not, fight Toney. Either way, he loses his phony belt.

Toney won belts in 3 divisions, and they were "Paper" belts, nothing more than what you claim Vitali has. Atleast the WBC is more credible than the FBI, cough.. I mean IBF.

according to who?

Toney has wins over Michael Nunn, Mike McCallum, Vasilly Jirov, Evander Holyfield, John Ruiz, and a bunch of other mofos...

I dont think he was a paper champ.......

Vitali Klitschko is 5-2 in Title fights, with the 5 wins comming over Herbie Hide, Ed Mahone, Obed Sullivan, Corrie Sanders, and Danny Williams. 4 of the 7 fights were WBO "title" fights.

James Toney is 11-1-1 (1 NC) in title fights (only lost to Roy Jones Jr), won titles at 160, 168, Cruiser, and Heavy (before it was turned into a no contest). All of his title fights were for either the WBC/IBF/WBA titles. Toney has also been regarded as the pound for pound #1 fighter in boxing on two occasions.

I'd say denying Toney's greatness would be ignorant.
tru say, but this is HW now, it aint the same. not saying he wasn't great, but this is completely different

Vitali Klitschko making comments claiming to be able to "choose" whom he fights for his world title is hilarious. As is his claim he is a champion at all. The guy wins his title fighting a man hardly even ranked in the world before smashing the other Klitschko and is the same guy Lewis taught how to throw a jab to by opening up his face while finishing a 6 pack between rounds. Klitschko should either try to actually beat a champion or shut up and concede the fact the Toney has yet to become the Heavyweight Champ and still is the only one out of the two to actually have beaten a World's Heavyweight Champion. Toney deserves this shot.

Ruiz KTFO Vitali and Wlad at the same time.
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

are you john ruiz's father?

Vitali Klitschko making comments claiming to be able to "choose" whom he fights for his world title is hilarious. As is his claim he is a champion at all. The guy wins his title fighting a man hardly even ranked in the world before smashing the other Klitschko and is the same guy Lewis taught how to throw a jab to by opening up his face while finishing a 6 pack between rounds. Klitschko should either try to actually beat a champion or shut up and concede the fact the Toney has yet to become the Heavyweight Champ and still is the only one out of the two to actually have beaten a World's Heavyweight Champion. Toney deserves this shot.not for a 50/50 split thought...