Post here if you want to talk about the Big Leauges.

twins are winning the world series this year

Remember when the Angels won in 7 against the Giants? My friend predicted that exact outcome at the beginning of the regular season. It's amazing.

twins are winning the world series this year

Quite possibly. Good team overall.
Ill tell you what though. Baltimore and the WhiteSox are a couple of sleepers.

I was a huge Blue Jays fans since before I could walk, though after Labatt sold the time in the mid-90s they've been **** and I couldn't take it anymore. Unfortunately it's been hard to get back into baseball ever since. I can't support any other team now, it'd be jumping on the bandwagon. My wife's from Detroit so I could by proxy go for the Tigers, by why make myself so miserable :) ?

Quite possibly. Good team overall.
Ill tell you what though. Baltimore and the WhiteSox are a couple of sleepers.

Sox won't do ****. They'll fall apart at the end of the season. They always do. It's a curse in Illinois that we have. No, I'm not a Cubs fan. I'm not a Sox fan, either, for that matter.

I was a huge Blue Jays fans since before I could walk, though after Labatt sold the time in the mid-90s they've been **** and I couldn't take it anymore. ?

maybe not for long: Read:

The Blue Jays have the sixth pick in the June 7-8 First-Year Player Draft, which represents their highest position since 1997. The Jays drafted a high school player named Vernon Wells with the fifth pick that year, and he's currently one of the team's most accomplished players.

It was a high pick and a good pick for former general manager Gord Ash, but that doesn't mean it was inevitable. This year, J.P. Ricciardi doesn't want to take anything for granted.

"That doesn't mean it's your best pick. Your highest pick could be in a lighter draft class," said Toronto's current GM. "And it matters. Sometimes there are three players that you want and the rest don't fall into place. You just have to try and make the best of what's out there."

He'll have to deal with some pretty heady history. Since 1990, 13 of Toronto's 15 top picks have reached the Major Leagues. And it wasn't just for cups of coffee, despite the uncertain status of current Jays Aaron Hill and Gabe Gross.

The Blue Jays have four more of their own top picks on the current roster, but a few others -- Shawn Green, Shannon Stewart, Chris Carpenter and even Felipe Lopez -- are still playing key roles for other teams. That group of picks is a disparate bunch, and Ricciardi wouldn't rule out anything this year.

"We're thinking of the best guy available," he said. "Most likely college, but there are a couple high school guys that have jumped up and gotten our attention. There are guys we'd have some interest in."

Ricciardi has been to see four or five of the prospective players that might be available when he picks. One of those is reportedly Ricky Romero, a left-handed pitcher for Cal State Fullerton.


AL East Draft Previews:
• Baltimore Orioles
• Boston Red Sox
• New York Yankees
• Tampa Bay Devil Rays
• Toronto Blue Jays

• 2005 Draft Central >In 15 starts this season, he's posted an 11-4 record with a 2.57 ERA and a 4:1 strikeout-to-walk ratio (120:29). Baseball America recently surmised that Romero "probably won't make it out of the first 10 picks."

That alternative -- one of many possibilities -- would add to Toronto's two-pronged draft last year, when the Jays nabbed southpaws David Purcey and Zach Jackson with their top two picks. In fact, Ricciardi has nabbed so many arms in recent years that he'll likely look for bats in the later rounds.

"Once you get to the third round, you're really at the disposal of whatever's out there," said Ricciardi. "We're really more inclined to go after hitters this year, because in the last three years we think we've addressed a lot of our pitching. Not that you can never have enough, but we'd have a lot of pitching and we'd like to get some more bats in the organization."

twins are winning the world series this year

I beg to differ. They need to get past the Sox first, which they won't do. I've been a White Sox fan for about 14 years now, so I've waited a LONG time for this. They're due, and they aren't going to fall apart and pull horrible end-of-season trades this year as per usual.

World Series Champs, 2005 = Chicago White Sox!!!!

Someone explain to me: what is Kenny Rogers on? His fastball is ridiculous, and he is almost unhittable. I figure his era will be eclipsed by the Rocket: but for time being, his experience is catching up. This guy is the real deal, and has gone underrated as a pitcher for way too long.

maybe not for long: Read:


Yes, Ricciardi takes a lot of heat up here sometimes but his hard work is starting to pay off a bit this year. I just couldn't get over how quickly the team fell apart after the World Series wins. I mean, for a while they were probably the classiest organization in baseball by far. The paid and treated their players well, their scouts carved out new territory in the Carribbean (for a while the Jays were the favourite team of people in a lot of places down there), they sold out every game and their manager was a calm, collected guy who knew how to handle a bunch of stars. They traded for prospects for long-term success and veterans to put them over the top. For several years in a row, they could do no wrong.

They're still trying to claw back to that level of respectability, though they're closer now than they've been in a long time.

I beg to differ. They need to get past the Sox first, which they won't do. I've been a White Sox fan for about 14 years now, so I've waited a LONG time for this. They're due, and they aren't going to fall apart and pull horrible end-of-season trades this year as per usual.

World Series Champs, 2005 = Chicago White Sox!!!!

No, man, the Sox will fall apart. All Illinois teams do it. Besides, the Twins just have their number.

I root for the Tigers, White Sox, and Phillies. My favorite players in the league are:

Bobby Abreu
Jimmy Rollins
Derek Jeter
Derrek Lee
Frank Thomas (2nd favorite ever after Kirby Puckett)
Mark Buehrle
Francisco Rodriguez
Albert Pujols
Carl Crawford
Alfonso Soriano

I think the Sox play small ball well enough to win it all this year. Their starting pitching is excellent and Buehrle is a stud. It helps to have Garcia and Garland pitching like all-stars (Garcia 3 earned, 10 K's in their win tonight). They need to shore up their bullpen though and maybe could add another sure bat in the middle of their lineup.

Someone explain to me: what is Kenny Rogers on? His fastball is ridiculous, and he is almost unhittable. I figure his era will be eclipsed by the Rocket: but for time being, his experience is catching up. This guy is the real deal, and has gone underrated as a pitcher for way too long.
its a contract year for him
he has gone(in contract years) 17-7
13-8
and now i believe he is 8-2....... kenny is greedy and only plays when the money is on the line.

I beg to differ. They need to get past the Sox first, which they won't do. I've been a White Sox fan for about 14 years now, so I've waited a LONG time for this. They're due, and they aren't going to fall apart and pull horrible end-of-season trades this year as per usual.

World Series Champs, 2005 = Chicago White Sox!!!!
its only a matter of time before they collapse but if they dont that pitching of thiers will take them deep inot the playoffs.

twins are just a solid team, they have it all..... great starting and relief pitching, great speed, clutch hitting and amazing defense in the outfield. the only thing is that there infield is a bit inexperienced.

Frank Thomas (2nd favorite ever after Kirby Puckett)
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Big hurt has been one of my favorite players ever since I was 13 years old. The guy is a damn legend.

And yeah Fix, Kenny is on contract...and I do agree with him being greedy.

Fonz is also one of my favorites.

My favorites:

Ichiro
Tejada
Schilling
Unit
Big hurt
Sammy
Sheff
Fonz
Chipper

arguably my favorite baseball team of all time believe it or not...was the Braves of 2 years ago:

with Klesko, Sheff, Chipper, Jones, Smoltz, and company. I was hoping they would win the big one...but it sucked they didint. Chipper rules, I like it when he hits homers.

I like the Orioles this year, obviously because of their lineup. I hate the Yanks, and it pissed me off when Sheff signed with them. That blew.

http://www.posters-n-prints.com/zoom/minnesota-twins-baseball-photo.jpg

good photo of Torii's acrobatics was much needed for this thread.

They're still trying to claw back to that level of respectability, though they're closer now than they've been in a long time.

Inevitably, a Canadian bound team will return to the World Series man. You can count on that. Im not sure when, but it will happen. My money is on Toronto actually. That city demands some respect due from the past.

La Dodgers Mother****erss!!!!!!!!!!!!:d

Baseball and soccer are kinda the same to me, I enjoy playing both and did so for many years, but you couldnt pay me to watch a game.....

I HATE WATCHING BASEBALL WITH A PASSION..no offense

but I love the Dodgers(even though I dont watch baseball)

but you couldnt pay me to watch a game.....

I know alot of people that are the same way. I have some friends that like watching Nascar.......and when I tell them it sucks/and is boring...they talk trash. I actually find watching baseball fun. It only drags on when you arent in the mood to watch it. I normally am. I wait untill the stretch for things to get interesting.

The only time I find it "boring" is when 1 team is blowing the other out, and the winning team is pitching really well.

ala New York Yankees.....whom I hate with a passion. I have all the MLB channels on my dish, and watch the mariners, orioles, Braves, Rangers, Astros, and Padres games. Ill only watch the Yanks in the early part of the lineup, so I can see if Sheffield gets hits or not. I dont like the team at all.

1 other thing that really hurts baseball....is the amount of commercials in between innings. If they were to cut them out, I would have little problems in watching the dugouts and umpires talking smack.

Commentary is key as well. Joe Buck and Tony Guinn are my favorite announcers.

I hate the Yankees too, well I actually hate any team from New York, I also hate any team from San Francisco....

haha. and this just in.

Cards mow down the Red Sox in a rematch of last year's World Series by a final score of 7-1.

That outing is hilarious.

Renteria goes 0-4 in his first game back. Full story.

ST. LOUIS -- Matt Morris breezed to his seventh win by going a season-best nine innings as the Cardinals beat the Red Sox, 7-1, at Busch Stadium on Monday night. It was a rematch of the 2004 World Series, which Boston swept.
Morris (7-0) needed just 101 pitches to get 27 outs, holding the potent Red Sox offense to four hits and one walk while enjoying his longest outing since a shutout of the Dodgers on Sept. 3, 2004. The right-hander's ERA dropped to 3.43 as he won his fifth straight start.

The bottom of the order provided nearly all the offense for St. Louis. No. 8 hitter Yadier Molina singled, walked and drove in two runs, Abraham Nunez had an RBI from the seventh spot and Larry Walker reached base twice and scored twice as the sixth-place hitter. Even Morris got in the act, bringing home a run with a squeeze bunt in the three-run second inning.

The game marked Edgar Renteria's return to St. Louis after departing as a free agent in the offseason. Renteria was greeted with a standing ovation of nearly 40 seconds before his first at-bat, but he had a rough night at the plate, going 0-for-4.

If thats not Irony....I dont know what is. 1 defenition of it anyway.

if im tired after work i put a game on that doesnt matter to me for example if a game like brewers vs reds is on ill watch and it puts me right out.

Anyone do fantasy baseball or any other fantasy sport?

Anyone do fantasy baseball or any other fantasy sport?
i did fantasy football on yahoo
i tried baseball but i lost interest because of the long season

www.mlb.com

click on the draft video. Link wont post correctly.

Interview with the number 1 draft pick, and future of the shortstop position. This kid can hit, run and field well.

His brother P.J. is pretty good as well.

My boy Derrek Lee is a real threat to win the Triple Crown this year. I wonder if he could pull it off.m

My boy Derrek Lee is a real threat to win the Triple Crown this year. I wonder if he could pull it off.m

The guy is playing like he has a problem with authority. Ive never seen a guy on this type of pace, as far as slugging and fielding goes.

The guy is playing like he has a problem with authority. Ive never seen a guy on this type of pace, as far as slugging and fielding goes.


Definitely...I'm glad to see that his offense finally matches his defense. If only Pokey Reese and Doug Mienkiewicz could take notes from him.

Hypothetically speaking:

Ill tell you what. Ive been watching Ranger games...and Kenny Roger's fastball is out of a science fiction novel. If Nolan was still pitching......and with Fonz, Alomar, Rafi(still a ranger), you could kiss the AL goodbye, and Im dead serious.

That team would crush the yanks and sox in the ALCS.

does anyone know how to throw a knuckleball?

Sox won't do ****. They'll fall apart at the end of the season. They always do. It's a curse in Illinois that we have. No, I'm not a Cubs fan. I'm not a Sox fan, either, for that matter.

Curses end. Just look at the Red Sox last year.

I have been a Yankees fan since I was born. In my early years I lived close enough to the Stadium to smell the pretzels. I am also impressed with the Florida Marlins organization. They've only been a team for about 12 years and they already have 2 World Series rings to show for it.

Speaking of the Florida marlins, what's up with the National League east? The lastplace team is only 2.5 games out of first place and every team in the division is above .500

Baseball really does seem to be showing a certain amount of aparity over the last 4 seasons (Since the end of the great Yankees Dynasty).

I think this season will shape up as a two man race in the national league between Florida and Atlanta, and in the American league between Minnesota and the White Sox. I say this because pitching usually wins championships and these are the teams with the best pitching.

Curses end. Just look at the Red Sox last year.

I have been a Yankees fan since I was born. In my early years I lived close enough to the Stadium to smell the pretzels. I am also impressed with the Florida Marlins organization. They've only been a team for about 12 years and they already have 2 World Series rings to show for it.

Speaking of the Florida marlins, what's up with the National League east? The lastplace team is only 2.5 games out of first place and every team in the division is above .500

Baseball really does seem to be showing a certain amount of aparity over the last 4 seasons (Since the end of the great Yankees Dynasty).

I think this season will shape up as a two man race in the national league between Florida and Atlanta, and in the American league between Minnesota and the White Sox. I say this because pitching usually wins championships and these are the teams with the best pitching.

check this out sonny. lets make a 8 way bet. lemme explain.

You say:

National Leauge
Marlins
Braves

American Leauge
twins
White Sox

I say:

National Leauge
Cardinals
Diamondbacks

American Leauge
Angels
Orioles


Depending on the draw. If any team makes it to the NLCS or ALCS from our picks, we get 1 mil from eachother. Agreed?

If you dont understand the terms of the bet Ill further discuss.

check this out sonny. lets make a 8 way bet. lemme explain.

You say:

National Leauge
Marlins
Braves

American Leauge
twins
White Sox

I say:

National Leauge
Cardinals
Diamondbacks

American Leauge
Angels
Orioles


Depending on the draw. If any team makes it to the NLCS or ALCS from our picks, we get 1 mil from eachother. Agreed?

If you dont understand the terms of the bet Ill further discuss.


That sounds good to me. You're on.

It was nice to see my Yanks finally win a game last night.

At 29 years old, Alex Rodriguez became the youngest player in history to reached 400 home runs.

check this out sonny. lets make a 8 way bet. lemme explain.

You say:

National Leauge
Marlins
Braves

American Leauge
twins
White Sox

I say:

National Leauge
Cardinals
Diamondbacks

American Leauge
Angels
Orioles


Depending on the draw. If any team makes it to the NLCS or ALCS from our picks, we get 1 mil from eachother. Agreed?

If you dont understand the terms of the bet Ill further discuss.

wow you guys leave The Soxs and the Yanks out of the AL playoffs?
no ****ing way that happens it doesnt matter if the Yanks have a loosing record or their bullpen sucks.
nor it matters that the Sox's Starters are struggling both of them have a huge chance to win the WS

my boy torii hunter is having a nice year and he could go 30-30

stats:
G Ab R H 2b 3b Hr Rbi Bb So Sb Cs Ba Obp Slg Ops

54 210 33 59 16 0 9 37 19 34 14 4 .281 .345 .486 .830

johan santana keeps tearing it up, twins all the way this year

wow you guys leave The Soxs and the Yanks out of the AL playoffs?
no ****ing way that happens it doesnt matter if the Yanks have a loosing record or their bullpen sucks.
nor it matters that the Sox's Starters are struggling both of them have a huge chance to win the WS

Yeah. I think Baltimore is going in the AL, and the Diamondbacks win it all in the end. Call me crazy.

my boy torii hunter is having a nice year and he could go 30-30

stats:
G Ab R H 2b 3b Hr Rbi Bb So Sb Cs Ba Obp Slg Ops

54 210 33 59 16 0 9 37 19 34 14 4 .281 .345 .486 .830

johan santana keeps tearing it up, twins all the way this year

Hunter is a really good player.

Yeah. I think Baltimore is going in the AL, and the Diamondbacks win it all in the end. Call me crazy.



Hunter is a really good player.
i like his all out style of defence, no one can bring back a homerum like he can. well not since prime griffey jr.

i like his all out style of defence, no one can bring back a homerum like he can. well not since prime griffey jr.

The guy is an acrobat fanatic. Twins have a good shot at the AL, but for betting puposes I took the opposition with sonny.


My money is on the backs in the NL west this year: things will shape up.

Pitching:

Ortiz pulls out the stops later in the season, guy is the man

Webb and Vargas are two studs when they get it going

Batting:

Gonzo sluggs away
Council
Clayton
Glauss

are gonng get it going.

Ken Griffey JR is the most naturaly gifted baseball player ever period.

if it wasnt for his injuries he could have been the best ever.
tell m who could swing the bat and play defence and run the bases that well??

Ken Griffey JR is the most naturaly gifted baseball player ever period.

if it wasnt for his injuries he could have been the best ever.
tell m who could swing the bat and play defence and run the bases that well??


http://www.patrickrial.com/archives/ichiro.jpg

not slugging for sure. but everything else buddy.

I'll never count out the Yankees or Red Sox. It wouldn't surprise me if the O's came back to earth and those 2 teams passed them in the standings and even make in to the ALCS.

The teams I picked Twins/ChiSox are in the same division as are the Marlins and Braves. I don't think all four teams will be in the LCS. But I do think Either the Twins or Sox and Either Florida or Atlanta will be in the Series.

I despise Jason Giambi and can't believe the Yanks have to continue paying this washed up steroid abuser. I also can't stand Kevin Brown. Washed up retard who smashes his fist against the dugout wall breaking his hand in the middle of a playoff race. I wish they would both die in a high speed head on collision with each other.

This team really needs to get back to what made them great in the late 90's. Scouting and research. Both in the US and abroad. Build up their minor leagues and build a strong young team from within. Selling the future on these high priced 40 year olds might be good for a 1 or 2 year run but if it doesn't work you're screwed.

Ken Griffey JR is the most naturaly gifted baseball player ever period.

if it wasnt for his injuries he could have been the best ever.
tell m who could swing the bat and play defence and run the bases that well??

barry bonds was gifted, baseball is in his blood

dad was a player

reggie jackson was either his uncle or distant cousin

and his god father is willie mays

barry has gone( career hr and stolen bases) 400-400, 500- 500, 600- 500, 700-500..... no one is touching any of those marks.... ever. he is in a class of his own and if it werent for the steroid allegations people would be saying he was the best ever.

Ken Griffey JR is the most naturaly gifted baseball player ever period.

if it wasnt for his injuries he could have been the best ever.
tell m who could swing the bat and play defence and run the bases that well??

Mickey Mantle.

barry bonds was gifted, baseball is in his blood

dad was a player

reggie jackson was either his uncle or distant cousin

and his god father is willie mays

barry has gone( career hr and stolen bases) 400-400, 500- 500, 600- 500, 700-500..... no one is touching any of those marks.... ever. he is in a class of his own and if it werent for the steroid allegations people would be saying he was the best ever.

Babe Ruth will always be considered the best baseball player ever for a very simple reason. He was not only the greatest offensive machine of his time often hitting more home runs than entire teams in an era of the loose ball and bigger ballparks. But he was also one of the greatest pitchers of his time. He still holds one of if not the lowest post season era's of all time.

Mickey Mantle.
ok someone who didnt ruin his carrer by becoming an alcohilic
whenever i think mantle i think how much greater he could have been.

Babe Ruth will always be considered the best baseball player ever for a very simple reason. He was not only the greatest offensive machine of his time often hitting more home runs than entire teams in an era of the loose ball and bigger ballparks. But he was also one of the greatest pitchers of his time. He still holds one of if not the lowest post season era's of all time.
he holds the record of shutout inning in a worl series

Babe Ruth will always be considered the best baseball player ever for a very simple reason. He was not only the greatest offensive machine of his time often hitting more home runs than entire teams in an era of the loose ball and bigger ballparks. But he was also one of the greatest pitchers of his time. He still holds one of if not the lowest post season era's of all time.

yeah i heard about that, dude musta been crazy talented....

he didnt even look like an athlete.... but thats far from the case

I have a problem with calling Ruth the best ever because of the era he played in. It seems like he is more a pioneer of a certain playing style that didn't exist before he came along. I'm talking about slugging the ball as hard as you can out to the fences. Before that the object of the game was more to hit the ball at a point where you could get on-base. Home runs existed, but were not a goal in themselves as much as they are now.

Ruth was a natural slugger but if you put him in the game now I would be willing to bet that he would look quite average, and that's even if he had the same conditioning as modern players. Sluggers are a dime a dozen now because they also copy that style now. And more than that, they've been playing like that since they were kids. I'm sure Ruth had to develop his style over time.

Not to mention that pitching was not even close to being the science it is today. You put any of the top home-run hitters from our time in a game where the guys are lobbing softballs over the plate and they'll get like 150 home runs a season.

The best all-time player for my money is Willie Mays. Great hitter and you'll never find a better defender outside of maybe Ozzie Smith.

I think Tony Guinn was one of the greatest baseball players to ever play the game personally. People might argue with me on that.

Willie Mays is my pick as well as the G.O.A.T.

The Wizard was the greatest fielder of all time. He caught balls barehanded.

How about the greatest pitchers ever?

Or the greatest lineup position by position?

Roger Clemens - pitcher (Honorable Mention: Tom Seaver and Sandy Koufax)

Mike Piazza - Catcher (Honorable Mention: Mickey Cochrane and Bill Dickey)

Lou Gehrig - 1st Base (Honorable Mention: Jimmie Foxx)

Roberto Alomar - 2nd Base (Honorable Mention: Rogers Hornsby, Ryan Sandberg, Joe Morgan)

Mike Schmidt - 3rd base (Honorable Mention: Brooks Robinson, George Brett)

Alex Rodriguez - Shortstop (Honorable Mention: Ozzie Smith, Cal Ripken Jr.)

Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Ty Cobb - Outfielders (Honorable Mention: Tris Speaker, Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams, Mel Ott, Mickey Mantle, and Stan Musial, Barry Bonds)

Edgar Martinez - Designated Hitter (Honorable Mention: Paul Molitor)

Mariano Rivera - Closer (Honorable Mention: Dennis Eckersley)

Let the debate begin!

best IMO by position, and Im only selecting 1 player for their respective position.

1st Base: Big Mac
2nd Base: Ryan Sandberg
3rd Base: Scott Rolen (best defensive for sure)
Catcher: Carlton Fisk
Pitcher: Nolan Ryan (without a doubt the best of all time)
SS: The Wizard
Outfielders: Mays, Maris, Mantle



We could argue this all day.

I forgot closer and DH:

Closer: Ill take Rivera and his cutter
DH: Edgar Martinez

How about the greatest pitchers ever?

Or the greatest lineup position by position?

Roger Clemens - pitcher (Honorable Mention: Tom Seaver and Sandy Koufax)

Mike Piazza - Catcher (Honorable Mention: Mickey Cochrane and Bill Dickey)

Lou Gehrig - 1st Base (Honorable Mention: Jimmie Foxx)

Roberto Alomar - 2nd Base (Honorable Mention: Rogers Hornsby, Ryan Sandberg, Joe Morgan)

Mike Schmidt - 3rd base (Honorable Mention: Brooks Robinson, George Brett)

Alex Rodriguez - Shortstop (Honorable Mention: Ozzie Smith, Cal Ripken Jr.)

Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Ty Cobb - Outfielders (Honorable Mention: Tris Speaker, Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams, Mel Ott, Mickey Mantle, and Stan Musial, Barry Bonds)




Edgar Martinez - Designated Hitter (Honorable Mention: Paul Molitor)

Mariano Rivera - Closer (Honorable Mention: Dennis Eckersley)

Let the debate begin!

P- Nola Ryan
C- C. Fisk
1B- Foxx
2B- Roberto Alomar
SS-Ozzie Smith
3B-Wade Boggs
OF- Ted Williams Peter Rose Cy Young - Mays, Clemente, Babe Ruth, Joe Dimaggio

P- Nola Ryan
C- C. Fisk
1B- Foxx
2B- Roberto Alomar
SS-Ozzie Smith
3B-Wade Boggs
OF- Ted Williams Peter Rose Cy Young - Mays, Clemente, Babe Ruth, Joe Dimaggio

All time great pitcher. Most wins in mlb history. The record will never, ever come close to being broken.

All time great pitcher. Most wins in mlb history. The record will never, ever come close to being broken.
hahah i was gonna put him in the extra players i wanted to get not in the OF my bad
mays is the OF Cy is the reserves

Nolan Ryan:

All-Star in 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979, 1981, 1985, 1989


Recorded 7 no-hitters against Kansas City and Detroit (1973), Minnesota (1974), Baltimore (1975), LA Dodgers (1981), Oakland A's (1990) and Toronto (1991 at age 44)


2-time 20-game winner (1973-74)


2-time NL leader in ERA (1981,87)


Led AL in strikeouts 9 times and NL twice in 27 years


Retired after 1993 season with 324 wins, 292 losses and all-time records for strikeouts (5,714) and walks (2,795)


Had his number retired by three teams (California, Houston, Texas).


Nobody will ever surpass Young's win record this we know.

Nolan Ryan:

All-Star in 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979, 1981, 1985, 1989


Recorded 7 no-hitters against Kansas City and Detroit (1973), Minnesota (1974), Baltimore (1975), LA Dodgers (1981), Oakland A's (1990) and Toronto (1991 at age 44)


2-time 20-game winner (1973-74)


2-time NL leader in ERA (1981,87)


Led AL in strikeouts 9 times and NL twice in 27 years


Retired after 1993 season with 324 wins, 292 losses and all-time records for strikeouts (5,714) and walks (2,795)


Had his number retired by three teams (California, Houston, Texas).


Nobody will ever surpass Young's win record this we know.
Cy Young

511 wins
316 looses
2.63 ERA
906 G
815 GS
749 CG
76 SHO
17 SV
7356 IP
7092 H
2147 ER
1217 BB
2803 SO


when he retired players respected him soo much they gave hima throphy which they called the "Cy Young" award

Cy Young
W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H ER BB SO
511 316 2.63 906 815 749 76 17 7356 7,092 2,147 1,217 2,803

when he retired players respected him soo much they gave hima throphy which they called the "Cy Young" award

hahah. This I know sir.

Nolan Ryan:

All-Star in 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1979, 1981, 1985, 1989


Recorded 7 no-hitters against Kansas City and Detroit (1973), Minnesota (1974), Baltimore (1975), LA Dodgers (1981), Oakland A's (1990) and Toronto (1991 at age 44)


2-time 20-game winner (1973-74)


2-time NL leader in ERA (1981,87)


Led AL in strikeouts 9 times and NL twice in 27 years


Retired after 1993 season with 324 wins, 292 losses and all-time records for strikeouts (5,714) and walks (2,795) - Not a very flattering stat.


Had his number retired by three teams (California, Houston, Texas).


Nobody will ever surpass Young's win record this we know.

Ryan's 7 No Hitters are his most impressive stat. He was a strikeout machine but he was also wild and his alltime win loss record is barely over .500 The fact that he lasted for 27 years was also very impressive. Very few players have that kind of longevity.

He never won a single Cy Young award (best pitcher for the year in his league) let alone an MVP award (best player in the league). He has only won 20 games or more in a season twice and 9 of his 27 seasons were losing seasons. His Lifetime WHIP is 1.25 (mediocre) and, he has lost more than 10 games in a season 17 times! To add to all of this, he doesn't even make the top 100 all time on the winnning pct list.

Ryan was great and probably deserves to be in the top 15-20 pitchers of all time, but is vastly overrated by many including some on this site.

That's just my opinion but most intelligent baseball men agree with me. :D

That's just my opinion but most intelligent baseball men agree with me. :D

My lack of intelligence stems from me being 24 years old, and having limited knowledge of past baseball greats. sorry. :(

Hey is that guy doing okay now?

The guy who got ran over by the other guy who was coming home.



That **** was like a hitstick tackle from Madden '05.

My lack of intelligence stems from me being 24 years old, and having limited knowledge of past baseball greats. sorry. :(

I didn't mean to insult you and opinions are surely like *******s. I can tell you know a fair amount about the game and it's recent past at least. That's a good start. And if you truly love the game you knowledge will only increase. Here are is an interesting article by one of the games formost authorities, Rob Neyer. It came out when Clemens was approaching his 4,000th Strikeout.

Neyer can be incredibly condescending and arrogant but he's pretty knowledgeable.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/columns/neyer_rob/1558124.html


Here the names of some all time great pitchers you might be interested in learning about:

Walter Johnson
Christy Mathewson
Warren Spahn
Steve Charlton
Tom Seaver
Sandy Koufax
Lefty Grove
Bob Gibson
Jim Palmer
Juan Marichal
Bob Feller
Pete Alexander
Whitey Ford
Satchel Paige - Played most of his career in the negro league. May have been the greatest ever.

And from our own Era these players have a serious argument to make for belonging in the top 20 all time:

Roger Clemens - Who I honestly think is #1
Pedro Martinez - The most dominant pitcher since Koufax
Randy Johnson - Built in the Nolan Ryan mold
Greg Maddux - Doesn't have the overpowering fastball, but has an arsenal of offspeed stuff he throws with pinpoint accuracy.

So knives, who do you hate more for the way they left Seattle, Ken Griffey Jr. or A-Rod.


Or perhaps you don't hold a grudge against either of them?

So knives, who do you hate more for the way they left Seattle, Ken Griffey Jr. or A-Rod.


Or perhaps you don't hold a grudge against either of them?

Griffey by far and away. I wish Griffey was batting in the cleanup with Beltre, Sexon, and Boone right after my boy Ichiro.

Im not necessarily holding grudges because of the way he left, Im just angry that he is "not there" you know?

I'll play devils advocate and say that Clemens will retire with the distinction of being the best pitcher ever. Think about what he's doing at this age and think about how dominant he'd be back in Cy Young's era or in Koufax's time...

I think the best hitter, when he retires, will be Albert Pujols. He could be the next Frank Thomas (which isn't an insult because Franks my 2nd favorite player ever and is going to the HOF) but I think he'll stay healthy break many hitting records. He's on pace to do BIG things...

Of course for hitting/fielding combination you don't get better than Willie Mays. I thought Andruw Jones really resembled him because he had a hot bat and his glove was so good.

Best arm in baseball goes to Vladimir Guerrero. Try and go home on this mother****er and you're toast.

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Young Rockies fan viewing the pregame warmup.

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Rockies' groundskeeper enjoying his lunchbreak.