Its proven that unnecessary punishment in the ring contributes to being punch drunk, and other illnesses such as Parkinson's.

A fighter needs to become sharp. The way they do that is by sparring. During training camp they step up the intensity and surly the accumulation of punches received during training (even with head gear and 16oz gloves) is damaging the brain? I hear that Toney and such fighters sparr hundreds of rounds. Sprot went over to Germany to spar with both Klitschkos. Isn't the rigors of a training camp that make a fighter essentially brain dead? When a sparring partner is getting pounded on. Or when there are gym wars between 2 fighters?

I know of children in amateur gyms that spar tough. Also teenagers from 14-19 who sparr rough. Head gear don't really protect your brain from taking the punishment, its just for knots, lumps and cuts.

Debate away..

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Debate away..

Debate what? That being punched repeatedly in the head leads to brain damage? Whats next, cigarettes damage lungs?

Debate what? That being punched repeatedly in the head leads to brain damage? Whats next, cigarettes damage lungs?

lol...................

Yes there is risks associated with the nature of boxing (getting punched in the face) but overall those risks are more relevant to pros, because the longer time period of pro fights and the fact that the refs let you take more punishment increases the danger.

Amateur boxing is much safer because of the shorter fights, and it is really unlikely you will get brain damaged as an amateur.

As for sparring, well again with the amateurs we spar less rounds since we fight less rounds, so there is little risk of serious brain injury. But with pros who spar 8, 10, 12 3 minute rounds I guess there is more risk, but in the gym environment with coaches and the emphasis on skill development the risk is still lessened.


And anyways, have a good defence and don't fight on for too long, you will be fine.

Debate what? That being punched repeatedly in the head leads to brain damage? Whats next, cigarettes damage lungs?

LMFAO:yo:

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LMFAO:yo:

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du joo stell want dose tekets?

Yeah, that's why I don't like little kids sparring too much at under 16...think about it, if they're sem-good fighters they're gonna be boxing for a long time, 20 years or so at most, that's a lot of punishment

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thats stupid

most of the top fighters started young

if they dont spar, how are they gonna improve anyway

move ur head. boxing isnt about taking shots

hit and not get hit is the aim of the game

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thats stupid

most of the top fighters started young

if they dont spar, how are they gonna improve anyway

move ur head. boxing isnt about taking shots

hit and not get hit is the aim of the game

not EVERYONE is a top boxer, and the sport is filled with fighters that become bums, journymen etc.. not everyone is gifted like Mayweather, and they take shots to the head, and then more on fight night. Hence the debate, Does training camp cause MORE damage as compared to fight night??

not EVERYONE is a top boxer, and the sport is filled with fighters that become bums, journymen etc.. not everyone is gifted like Mayweather, and they take shots to the head, and then more on fight night. Hence the debate, Does training camp cause MORE damage as compared to fight night??

my reply wasnt directed to u but the fellow above but since u replied...

i know the everybody is not a top fighter but that doesnt mean if ur not a top fighter u aint allowed to spar

btw, ur reply didnt even make sence to what i said..

read mine again

Look, regardless of whether you 'should' move your head and condition yourself well, the fact remains that fighters like Owen Beck get BEAT UP on just for a pay day, and commissions allow this to happen. Beck aint winning no title but hes getting beat up! THATTTTTT causes brain damage in the long run.

stick to the article that you made..

ur talking about kids sparring, brain damage and now ur mentioning bums like beckie or sum crap

in the future, include it all in ur first post

didnt they teach you how to structure ur work so it can flow...

stick to the article that you made..

ur talking about kids sparring, brain damage and now ur mentioning bums like beckie or sum crap

in the future, include it all in ur first post

didnt they teach you how to structure ur work so it can flow...

Listen, a childs brain has not fully developed, and a teen probably more developed but the skull is still weak. When they have 'competitive' sparring, their brains are taking a beating. Hence why they ARE getting some damage. You wont actually know what that sparring has done to a person until 20+ years later when they are punch drunk or have decreased motor reflexes.

My point is, journeymen like Own Beck, Michael Sprott etc... get paid for sparring by Wladimir and get a pounding!.. I am saying that the rigors of training camp give the boxer brain damage. As i said not everyone is a Mayweather and journeymen all have there place in boxing, and hence brain damage is more prevalent as they are not skilled enough to get away from the punches.

what are you saying?

everyone is at risk

everyone is at risk

Yes but the rigors of training camp, give a boxer brain damage.

It's like anything in life.

Some people are more prone to things than others.
Some people smoke for 3 years and die of lung cancer, some smoke 80years and done even get a cough.
Same with boxing some get Brain damage after a short period or a good blow.
Some old pro's who have had Wars all there life, sparred hard hard rounds get to their 70's and 80's and are just fine, sharper and more with it than some 20 year olds.
I am 34 a boxing trainer and I also sparr 2 days a week and do quite a few rounds. I also work in I.T solving problems. As far as I know I am still as sharp as I ever was.
It's all about doing what makes you happy and having no regrets. I know the potential dangers of boxing and I am willing to take the risk. I don't drink or smoke and I think I am at less risk of brain issues than teens and 20 year olds who go out and get smashed on Alcohol and smoke and do drugs every week.

DMC:boxing:

It's like anything in life.

Some people are more prone to things than others.
Some people smoke for 3 years and die of lung cancer, some smoke 80years and done even get a cough.
Same with boxing some get Brain damage after a short period or a good blow.
Some old pro's who have had Wars all there life, sparred hard hard rounds get to their 70's and 80's and are just fine, sharper and more with it than some 20 year olds.
I am 34 a boxing trainer and I also sparr 2 days a week and do quite a few rounds. I also work in I.T solving problems. As far as I know I am still as sharp as I ever was.
It's all about doing what makes you happy and having no regrets. I know the potential dangers of boxing and I am willing to take the risk. I don't drink or smoke and I think I am at less risk of brain issues than teens and 20 year olds who go out and get smashed on Alcohol and smoke and do drugs every week.

DMC:boxing:

Thank you for your reply,

I take your point, but the fact still remains that MAJORITY of boxers get punch drunk and they are NOT as sharp in later life.

Do you think its acceptable for a child to take punches to the head, eg, a 13 year old sparring against a 16 year old? Personally feel that most gyms allow this for 'development' yet they fail to see the kid is getting pounded on!

its a matter of principles and what is morally right. why risk yourself more than you need to? If you are not going to be the next Mayweather then why take those punches?

2Tough :boxing:

if i can box and enjoy life right now until i hit the age of 70 and then not be quite as sharp as other old folks then so be it. every sport is gonna mess you up in the long run. knees, hips, ankles. would you rather not do any sport at all, get fat and die of a heart attack at the age of 38? what kind of option is that.

look unless you have like 300 amateur fights under your belt you shouldnt even be worrying about any of this stuff

who the **** cares, and it takes a **** load of hits, i mean alot, alot of hard ones, couldn't care enough, still love the sport

Really makes you wonder how the old timers did 45 round bouts and had 300+ fights and then retire without any bother whatsoever

It really really does

Listen, a childs brain has not fully developed, and a teen probably more developed but the skull is still weak. When they have 'competitive' sparring, their brains are taking a beating. Hence why they ARE getting some damage. You wont actually know what that sparring has done to a person until 20+ years later when they are punch drunk or have decreased motor reflexes.

My point is, journeymen like Own Beck, Michael Sprott etc... get paid for sparring by Wladimir and get a pounding!.. I am saying that the rigors of training camp give the boxer brain damage. As i said not everyone is a Mayweather and journeymen all have there place in boxing, and hence brain damage is more prevalent as they are not skilled enough to get away from the punches.

what are you saying?

what are u tryna say? boxing should be banned..

go away, i get the feel uve never been in the ring ur self

what are u tryna say? boxing should be banned..

go away, i get the feel uve never been in the ring ur self

suck a ***.. you uneducated piece of sh*t :bottle:

Really makes you wonder how the old timers did 45 round bouts and had 300+ fights and then retire without any bother whatsoever

It really really does

Indeed, they probably had brain damage.

Indeed, they probably had brain damage.

have you ever boxed a day in your life or trained in a boxing gym ? Because im pretty sure the trainer always stresses working on technique and developing on skill when sparring and when a 13 year old goes in with a 16 year old the trainer would tell the 16 year old to take it easy on the kid and work on areas he needs improvement. I really dont get the picture you are trying to paint since you are using so many canvas'. You can always play chess if u scared to box

Its a video on ESNEWS about James Toney. Mick Foley said he never trained, never hit the bag. All he did was sparr. So I imagine he sparred 5 days a week. Which is bad on the brain. I personally believe it all falls on the boxer. Now I think if you ever get a headache from sparring you should take some time off to let ur brain recoup. I think thats a sign that your brain is telling you to chill out. Those who ignore these signs I believe end up with illnesses.

The presence of death and brain damage is why the sport is respected like it is.

have you ever boxed a day in your life or trained in a boxing gym ? Because im pretty sure the trainer always stresses working on technique and developing on skill when sparring and when a 13 year old goes in with a 16 year old the trainer would tell the 16 year old to take it easy on the kid and work on areas he needs improvement. I really dont get the picture you are trying to paint since you are using so many canvas'. You can always play chess if u scared to box

Yes i have, but thats irrelevant. Dont follow Mayweathers bullcrap about "you aint never been ina ring before, you dont know" because actually you don't have to go in the ring to understand what brain scans are, and physical examinations of fighters etc etc..

NOT everyone has skill, those that dont have skill take punches to the head. They are the ones that are getting brain damage.

ok Verero just killed his wife, and now commited suicide.. boxing caused this on him.. discuss.

ok Verero just killed his wife, and now commited suicide.. boxing caused this on him.. discuss.


you're a troll and an *******. discussed.

Its proven that unnecessary punishment in the ring contributes to being punch drunk, and other illnesses such as Parkinson's.

A fighter needs to become sharp. The way they do that is by sparring. During training camp they step up the intensity and surly the accumulation of punches received during training (even with head gear and 16oz gloves) is damaging the brain? I hear that Toney and such fighters sparr hundreds of rounds. Sprot went over to Germany to spar with both Klitschkos. Isn't the rigors of a training camp that make a fighter essentially brain dead? When a sparring partner is getting pounded on. Or when there are gym wars between 2 fighters?

I know of children in amateur gyms that spar tough. Also teenagers from 14-19 who sparr rough. Head gear don't really protect your brain from taking the punishment, its just for knots, lumps and cuts.

Debate away..

:)

Parkinson's has never been linked with boxing past basic speculation.

Parkinson's has never been linked with boxing past basic speculation.

You are mad if you think there is no CLEAR relationship!!!!!!! :pat:

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Really makes you wonder how the old timers did 45 round bouts and had 300+ fights and then retire without any bother whatsoever

It really really doesa lot of the time rounds back in those days were defined as over when a fighter hit the ground. in other words, if john L were fighting James Corbett over 45 rounds as soon as there is a knockdown or lull in the action the ref could stop the round. at least that's what I seem to remember, correct me if I am wrong.

You ignorant bas*ards, you all act like hard as_ses, check this out - http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9479296

imo im the one who wants to box so i must accept the consequences if im taking beatings day in day out losing teeth, its no ones fault but your own if you choose to continue boxing and you accumulate brain damage in the long run. i cant say its boxings fault for giving me brain damage its my own fault for taking up boxing. but i doubt ill get brain damage because if im that bad ill quit while im behind

imo im the one who wants to box so i must accept the consequences if im taking beatings day in day out losing teeth, its no ones fault but your own if you choose to continue boxing and you accumulate brain damage in the long run. i cant say its boxings fault for giving me brain damage its my own fault for taking up boxing. but i doubt ill get brain damage because if im that bad ill quit while im behind

Do you honestly think that because you do not get punched in the head so often that 'everyone' or majority of the people dont? Not everyone is a Mayweather so they are bound to get punched in the head. Amateur clubs essentially "use" the lesser members as fodder for the registered members who are the better boxers. Is that fair on the lesser average members who just come for training and exercise. You may even get deluded members who think they can go far in boxing, but deep down the clubs coaches know who is shi_t and who is good. Responsibility to keep sparring "safe" is in the clubs hands.

this is one of those things where its difficult to find a definitive answer. I mean rugby players and american football players develop demntia from their sports as the single blows they get to their hear are concussive, pro wrestlers get whacked and concussed all the time. So i understand what your saying, amateur boxing in the ring is safe as there is standing 8 counts etc, however we do not know how much that guy is sparring in the training and how much damage that is being accumalated. Recent studies show that majority of brain cells do regenerate so it could be a case of not sparring so often, maybe having a couple days off inbetween will let the brain heal itself. Its a tricky thing and something im always concious of after a hard sparring session, so then i take a couple of days off head sparring and next time work it light. But at the same time, because of boxing i do not drink or smoke and they kill as many brain cells as boxing so maybe its a catch 22. Id prefer to be the guy going down the gym each night than the drunk stumbling home from the pub. IN my gym theres a poster on the wall that says Boxing MAY harm you but teaches fitness and discipline, drink and drugs just harm you

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See, I know what your saying here, but James Toney does steroids, a LOT of athletes use steroids. Steroids mess up your hormone levels - if you use steroids, over time the body STOPS producing testosterone and other hormones. I mean, A-Rod doesn't even have testicals anymore! The FAR majority of athletes who say "Oh, I have a defenciy, I need to inject testosterone or HGH" are full of **** - they've been using steroids for so long an so often its thrown their natural levels out of wack! Not to mention, once you get past your mid 30s, take a wild guess what starts to happen? That's right, hormone production starts to slow down in the body! I can guarantee you for those of us in our 30s (or older) there is a noticeable difference from this age and the age of 21 for example.

Having said that, the doctor describing the damage to the pituitary gland was very credible, and is a very compelling argument. Things like boxing are done by those that consent to them. Make education of the risks mandatory, however things like boxing, smoking, skydiving, should never be denied to those that chose to do them. I think it is obvious boxing for a long career at the professional level causes brain problems, damage and diseases, and yea a lot of damage is done during training - but the POINT of sparring is not to go out and kill the guy! Its to work on specific things and techniques and strategies, punches are not thrown with full power.

And if you drink a lot, that will definitely mess your brain up worse, a lot of people do and I wouldn't be surprised if heavy drinkers who also box are the most effected. For example, boxing with a hangover would mean your body is depleated and dehydrated - probably the worst thing you can do when dehydrated is get hit in the head because the brain has that much less natural protection. Considering how so many people on earth are drunks, I'm willing to bet alcohol is a factor in at least some boxers who develop brain problems.

See, I know what your saying here, but James Toney does steroids, a LOT of athletes use steroids. Steroids mess up your hormone levels - if you use steroids, over time the body STOPS producing testosterone and other hormones. I mean, A-Rod doesn't even have testicals anymore! The FAR majority of athletes who say "Oh, I have a defenciy, I need to inject testosterone or HGH" are full of **** - they've been using steroids for so long an so often its thrown their natural levels out of wack! Not to mention, once you get past your mid 30s, take a wild guess what starts to happen? That's right, hormone production starts to slow down in the body! I can guarantee you for those of us in our 30s (or older) there is a noticeable difference from this age and the age of 21 for example.

Having said that, the doctor describing the damage to the pituitary gland was very credible, and is a very compelling argument. Things like boxing are done by those that consent to them. Make education of the risks mandatory, however things like boxing, smoking, skydiving, should never be denied to those that chose to do them. I think it is obvious boxing for a long career at the professional level causes brain problems, damage and diseases, and yea a lot of damage is done during training - but the POINT of sparring is not to go out and kill the guy! Its to work on specific things and techniques and strategies, punches are not thrown with full power.

And if you drink a lot, that will definitely mess your brain up worse, a lot of people do and I wouldn't be surprised if heavy drinkers who also box are the most effected. For example, boxing with a hangover would mean your body is depleated and dehydrated - probably the worst thing you can do when dehydrated is get hit in the head because the brain has that much less natural protection. Considering how so many people on earth are drunks, I'm willing to bet alcohol is a factor in at least some boxers who develop brain problems.

Yes but they are though.. Most guys who sparr dont care, they just want to pound up on an inexperienced member to "try" new strategies. The way i see it is, if you are getting hit with punches at 50% power then its just as bad. :pat:

a lot of the time rounds back in those days were defined as over when a fighter hit the ground. in other words, if john L were fighting James Corbett over 45 rounds as soon as there is a knockdown or lull in the action the ref could stop the round. at least that's what I seem to remember, correct me if I am wrong.

yes and no

london ring rules was that a round was over when a man was knocked down.

the sullivan corbett fight was held under queensbury rules which are the same as now sceduled for 45, 3 min rounds and lasted 21, 3 min rounds.

Yes but they are though.. Most guys who sparr dont care, they just want to pound up on an inexperienced member to "try" new strategies. The way i see it is, if you are getting hit with punches at 50% power then its just as bad. :pat:

you pointed out yourself that you are not familiar with the boxing scene so how would you know the magnitude of the force committed by the punches during any sparring session?
Sparring in legitimate gyms occur under stringent supervision of the trainer, and any reputable trainer would not match up two opponents with discernible skill disparities. Lastly, anyone that agrees participate in sparring/boxing acknowledges and accepts the health risks, they also have the option to quit at any given time.

Regarding this topic : did anyone notice the high rate of traffic accidents suffered by fighters ? :
William Lawrence Stribling , Roberto Duran , Salvador Sanchez , Billy Collins Jr. , Jorge Fernando Castro , Diego Corrales and I bet there are even a few more examples . Does anyone think it is just a coincidence ?


Not to mention cases like Michael Watson , Gerald McClellan , Robert Wangila , Levander Johnson and to an extent Steve Collins (retired because he collapsed during training camp and was told by the doctors it will risk his life to fight on)

And the slurred speech like Hearns , Toney , Holyfield , Roach have , and the more severe cases like Benitez and Meldrick Taylor (some will add Ali too) ,

and the high percentage of converting to Islam (Ali , Mustafa Muhammad , Qawi , Saad , Hopkins , Tyson , Eubanks , Danny Williams , Juan Carlos Gomez (?))

The prison percentages may be more of the cause than the outcome so I won't start here.

and the high percentage of converting to Islam (Ali , Mustafa Muhammad , Qawi , Saad , Hopkins , Tyson , Eubanks , Danny Williams , Juan Carlos Gomez (?))


Islam and brain damage....now that you mention it....

Regarding this topic : did anyone notice the high rate of traffic accidents suffered by fighters ? :
William Lawrence Stribling , Roberto Duran , Salvador Sanchez , Billy Collins Jr. , Jorge Fernando Castro , Diego Corrales and I bet there are even a few more examples . Does anyone think it is just a coincidence ?


Not to mention cases like Michael Watson , Gerald McClellan , Robert Wangila , Levander Johnson and to an extent Steve Collins (retired because he collapsed during training camp and was told by the doctors it will risk his life to fight on)

And the slurred speech like Hearns , Toney , Holyfield , Roach have , and the more severe cases like Benitez and Meldrick Taylor (some will add Ali too) ,

and the high percentage of converting to Islam (Ali , Mustafa Muhammad , Qawi , Saad , Hopkins , Tyson , Eubanks , Danny Williams , Juan Carlos Gomez (?))

The prison percentages may be more of the cause than the outcome so I won't start here.

Isn't that because of parkisons that may or may not be releated

Isn't that because of parkisons that may or may not be releated

Same can be said of Ali. But many of them have Parkinson so it may be related , isn't dementia pugilistica a type of Parkinson ?

I say Ezzard Charles' ALS was not related.

I think that if you box under hydrated it can lead to problems
of that nature. Not everybody gets punch drunk. I have met many fighters over the years. Some have problems but i think it might
not be the brian as much as damage to the jaw from the punishment.

I think that if you box under hydrated it can lead to problems
of that nature. Not everybody gets punch drunk. I have met many fighters over the years. Some have problems but i think it might
not be the brian as much as damage to the jaw from the punishment.

NO, look at Frank Bruno, he was "well" hydrated, and he suffered some serious metal breakdown and his speech is somewhat slurred. :thinkerg:

NO, look at Frank Bruno, he was "well" hydrated, and he suffered some serious metal breakdown and his speech is somewhat slurred. :thinkerg:


Bruno's speach slurred? On Saturday night he sounded no different from the early 80s. I've never thought of Frank in anyway brain damaged.

NO, look at Frank Bruno, he was "well" hydrated, and he suffered some serious metal breakdown and his speech is somewhat slurred. :thinkerg:

The mental breakdown can be attributed to those juices , the slur - to his accent .

Bruno's speach slurred? On Saturday night he sounded no different from the early 80s. I've never thought of Frank in anyway brain damaged.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1442199/Frank-Bruno-is-sectioned-under-Mental-Health-Act.html

bump bump......................

Stop bumping this gay thread. It's already been answered.


Debate what? That being punched repeatedly in the head leads to brain damage? Whats next, cigarettes damage lungs?

Stop bumping this gay thread. It's already been answered.

get a degree, use your brain.. you low life scum, boxing damages the brain, its a brutal sport. :tool:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1442199/Frank-Bruno-is-sectioned-under-Mental-Health-Act.html

Probably (just) a result of some combination of steroids and being upset about his career / performance .

"Head gear don't really protect your brain from taking the punishment, its just for knots, lumps and cuts."

I agree with this one.....BUT what's your point?

If that's the case than just do some light sparring and hit the bag mits shadow etc.

"Head gear don't really protect your brain from taking the punishment, its just for knots, lumps and cuts."

I agree with this one.....BUT what's your point?

If that's the case than just do some light sparring and hit the bag mits shadow etc.

yes exactly, but how many boxers when they are young train with "light" spars? believe me, when you are young you take sparring as a fight.

Make sure your kids don't do stuff like that. Others are not your business...

And yeah I kinda know all that but I still like some medium sparring like 2x week.....I don't want dementia but I also have no intentions to die with perfect health :wave:

Its proven that unnecessary punishment in the ring contributes to being punch drunk, and other illnesses such as Parkinson's.

A fighter needs to become sharp. The way they do that is by sparring. During training camp they step up the intensity and surly the accumulation of punches received during training (even with head gear and 16oz gloves) is damaging the brain? I hear that Toney and such fighters sparr hundreds of rounds. Sprot went over to Germany to spar with both Klitschkos. Isn't the rigors of a training camp that make a fighter essentially brain dead? When a sparring partner is getting pounded on. Or when there are gym wars between 2 fighters?

I know of children in amateur gyms that spar tough. Also teenagers from 14-19 who sparr rough. Head gear don't really protect your brain from taking the punishment, its just for knots, lumps and cuts.

Debate away..

:)

With kids it is essential to understand exactly that, they are kids. As a former usa referee I can attest to the standard of excellence and care when looking after these kids. Error on the side of caution and the kids will box another day.

With the damage that incurred during boxing it is true that there is damage. However, most people only view boxing on a television set, therefore more people will immediately say they know boxing and the sport that they learn from is the pro game. The pro game is night and day from the amatuer game, the pro game is about damage while the amatuer game is about learning, excelling and sportsmanship.

They now compare the repercussions of highschool football with possible effects on the brain. The two are very similar when thinking of the amateur sport. The main mission in usa boxing, take care of the kids..........Rockin':boxing:

With kids it is essential to understand exactly that, they are kids. As a former usa referee I can attest to the standard of excellence and care when looking after these kids. Error on the side of caution and the kids will box another day.

With the damage that incurred during boxing it is true that there is damage. However, most people only view boxing on a television set, therefore more people will immediately say they know boxing and the sport that they learn from is the pro game. The pro game is night and day from the amatuer game, the pro game is about damage while the amatuer game is about learning, excelling and sportsmanship.

They now compare the repercussions of highschool football with possible effects on the brain. The two are very similar when thinking of the amateur sport. The main mission in usa boxing, take care of the kids..........Rockin':boxing:

This man knows wat hes talkin bout..Boxing as a junior in the amateurs still tough, however if you have a competent skill level, aren't badly overmatched, and have a trainer who knows what's up, you would be very unlucky to suffer much worse than a moderate concussion or a busted nose.

This man knows wat hes talkin bout..Boxing as a junior in the amateurs still tough, however if you have a competent skill level, aren't badly overmatched, and have a trainer who knows what's up, you would be very unlucky to suffer much worse than a moderate concussion or a busted nose.

OK if you are not overmatched, then the other guy is.. im sorry but if you dont get a busted nose or concussion, the other guy will.

you dont have to get a concussion to get mental problems..

OK if you are not overmatched, then the other guy is.. im sorry but if you dont get a busted nose or concussion, the other guy will.

you dont have to get a concussion to get mental problems..

What the **** are you talking about ?

Stop being a *****.

**** off...

That's why boxing is a risky sport.

Something I will note, though, is that when I'm sparring a lot getting ready for a match, I tend to become a space cadet. I lose things around the house, walk into a room and forget why I went in there, and generally can't remember things very well. I once found myself standing in the grocery store aisle with NO IDEA why I was there. I can't finish sentences and I misuse common words. (I have an English degree, so this is a big deal for me.)

My wife pointed this out after a few fights. I think -- we both think -- that it's not the match, it's the heavy, frequent sparring for the weeks before the match. And it goes away a few days or so after the fight, so, in my case anyway, it's temporary. My doctor set me up for a CAT scan when I told him about it, and there is no brain damage that he or the neurologist could determine. But getting hit in the head hard a few times a week is definitely not good for you. Don't be a wuss but don't overdo it, either. And NEVER spar with a headache. Ever.

Brain injury is the only thing worrying me enough to stop me beginning to box. I'd love to give it a go, even just to train and maybe have a few amateur fights down the line.

I've read that headgear and heavier gloves limit alot of the damage to ones head, but at the same time I hear reports (this thread for example) that contradict that.

I think it really just depends on the luck of the draw with the person. I mean take a look at Oscar De La Hoya- extensive amateur background and 40 odd fights as a pro against some great fighters, and the guy sounds and looks perfectly fine to me.

I visited quite a few clubs and they all have 10 and 12oz gloves....hate that!

Roman Simakov dies in the ring...... its just as bad when common folk who come to train at the boxing gym are told to "spar" with the registered boxers of the gym. The gym basically USE the normal folk as fodder AND this is what causes brain damage.

Boxing is in no way easy, if it was then everybody would be doing it. There are risks that come along with you whenever you climb through the ropes to exchange fists. You will be tested physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually with-in the punishment that you will give and recieve.

Like I stated before, most peoples view of boxing is what they see on the television. They here the words amatuer boxing and the first thing that will pop into their heads is professional boxing and the dark world that surrounds it. While essentially amatuer boxing and professional boxing are the same, they are actually very different.

I would guess that most of whatever damage was done to me in the ring was accumulated through training as a profesional. I would attribute next to no damage from the amatuers even though I was ko'd in a bout. The pro's are about damage. The amatuers are about pride, skill and sportsmanship.

Night and day............Rockin':boxing:

Brain injury is the only thing worrying me enough to stop me beginning to box. I'd love to give it a go, even just to train and maybe have a few amateur fights down the line.

I've read that headgear and heavier gloves limit alot of the damage to ones head, but at the same time I hear reports (this thread for example) that contradict that.

I think it really just depends on the luck of the draw with the person. I mean take a look at Oscar De La Hoya- extensive amateur background and 40 odd fights as a pro against some great fighters, and the guy sounds and looks perfectly fine to me.

the vast majority of fighters are fine even after long careers. long term injurys are hand injurys if anything but very rarely brain damage. it gets blown way out of proportion by the media. horseback riding is way more dangerous than boxing but nobody ever brings that up, same thing goes for several sports. hockey and football (american) are others. drinking causes far more braindmage than boxing too.

if you dont box bcuz you are scared of getting braindamaged you might as well stop doing sports all together and walk around with a helmet all day.

the vast majority of fighters are fine even after long careers. long term injurys are hand injurys if anything but very rarely brain damage. it gets blown way out of proportion by the media. horseback riding is way more dangerous than boxing but nobody ever brings that up, same thing goes for several sports. hockey and football (american) are others. drinking causes far more braindmage than boxing too.

if you dont box bcuz you are scared of getting braindamaged you might as well stop doing sports all together and walk around with a helmet all day.

you forget the bums that fight with 30 losses or more that are "tests" for the up and coming fighters. They are the ones getting brain damage. You shouldnt even mention the likes of Oscar or Pacman.

it depends some fighters get it some just dont. roy jones has been through alot
WHEN HE TALKS ON HBO HE SOUNDS FINE. GEORGE FOREMAN TOO.some guys
just dont talk well ive seen guys come into the gym talking a little doopy before
they ever took a punch.