First and foremost congrats to Hatton for beating Koysta. I really thought that Koysta was going to be able to keep hatton at bay with his jab and right hand (and ring smarts) but that kid from manchester was as hungery as a great white shark. again kudos to hatton for smothering tyszu and nulifying his big right hand. i would also like to say that i'm now becoming a a fan of ricky hatton (i used to watch this kid in hbo and grimmace everytime he threw a body shot in multiple combinations from different angles...no one does that anymore. major respect for him to ressurect a dying art).

now all said and done. who thought that koysta deserved a knockdown? granted hatton was not hit by the typical body shot (the kind where you're roling around the floor grimmacing and suckin' wind...lol...sorry, painful memories of my ring escapades lol) but it was right at the belt line. it seemed to me that the area was fair game....and any hit in fair terretory where it causes you to place a hand on the mat is considered a knockdown. hatton didn't seem to be affected that much. but he did fall.

maybe the knock down would have surged some energy into koysta to lessen that gap...or maybe it would have unleased a more despreate beast in an already hunry manchester fighter...

what do you guys think?

i think it could have been counted it was on the beltline which is counted sometimes..and it looked like hatton thought it was a knockdown because he didnt say anything when he got up

that was a knockdown....

Oh i think there is no doubt that it was a knockdown..but..hey..the ref didnt think so...it doesnt matter now........>BUT it WAS a knockdown

It was a low blow... I'm not saying that because I'm a Ricky Hatton fan. I'm saying it because it was a low blow, and if you watch the tape again... When the referee brings them back to fight, Kostya Tszyu offers his glove as a sorry.

It was a low blow.

In my opinion Hatton won the fight:
-In England.
-And in style.
-Against a man on top form according to himself.

Um your last point doesnt have much validity.

Who doesnt say theyre in top form?

Tyson said it against Williams, and im sure holy stills says it...

It was a low blow... I'm not saying that because I'm a Ricky Hatton fan. I'm saying it because it was a low blow, and if you watch the tape again... When the referee brings them back to fight, Kostya Tszyu offers his glove as a sorry.

It was a low blow.

i watched the replay several times. played it in slo-mo, rewind slo-mo, pause...i mean i get hit at the belt line all the time and the refs always call it fair game. it looked very much like it it fair. it was clearly a lot higher than when ricky hit tyzsu later on the fight.

I dunno. Hatton was hit a couple times on the belly and he dint go down. What's so special bout that punch? Maybe Hatton felt that hit down there ya know?

Tszyu had been hitting low all fight, which may have contributed to the fact that it was ruled low.

I'm not in favor of fouling, but this was that kind of fight, and I had to laugh when the kid came at Tszyu after getting hit low and retaliated with a worse one, knowing the ref couldn't hardly penalize him after not taking any points from Kostya, even though Kostya had already been warned...

This was like the 140 lb. Ruiz-Golota...

This isn't the Supreme Court where you go on precedent. There are clear, black and white rules on what a low blow is. A low blow is anything below the belly-button, and as that much did fall just below the belly-button, it was low and NOT a legitimate knockdown, so there is no "opinion" on this matter.

i watched the replay several times. played it in slo-mo, rewind slo-mo, pause...i mean i get hit at the belt line all the time and the refs always call it fair game. it looked very much like it it fair. it was clearly a lot higher than when ricky hit tyzsu later on the fight.
Yeah, but if you also do a rewind slow-mo when the referee get's the fighters back together, Kostya Tszyu offers his hand as a mark of respect and apoligy.

Kostya knew it was low, I thought it was low, the referee thought it was low, and I reckon most people would think it was low.

Kostya hit Ricky with LOTS of head shots and body shots throughout the fight, and no of them seemed to bother Ricky too much. So I think that would indicate that this (isolated) particular blow which did have an affect, was indeed low.

i dont see how that shiznite matta though! Tszyu ****in quit!

Yeah, but if you also do a rewind slow-mo when the referee get's the fighters back together, Kostya Tszyu offers his hand as a mark of respect and apoligy.

Kostya knew it was low, I thought it was low, the referee thought it was low, and I reckon most people would think it was low.

Kostya hit Ricky with LOTS of head shots and body shots throughout the fight, and no of them seemed to bother Ricky too much. So I think that would indicate that this (isolated) particular blow which did have an affect, was indeed low.

i agree ricky didn't get bottered too much by most of koysta's shots. but this particular shot came when ricky was advancing in and didn't expect it. and as you know it's the ones that you don't expect that hurt like a mofo.

as for Super_Lightweight..i really did think it was at the belly button. does anyone have a clip?

this thread is not about discrediting ricky. ricky one it fair and square.

and i've hit guys right at the gut where the ref called it low. then when i see it on video i hit em sqaure and fair. but if the ref calls it low then it's only courteous to put your glove out (sometimes the action is so furious and your adenaline is pumping the fighter who threw the shot is not too sure as well..till he sees the tape)

i agree ricky didn't get bottered too much by most of koysta's shots. but this particular shot came when ricky was advancing in and didn't expect it. and as you know it's the ones that you don't expect that hurt like a mofo.

as for Super_Lightweight..i really did think it was at the belly button. does anyone have a clip?

this thread is not about discrediting ricky. ricky one it fair and square.

and i've hit guys right at the gut where the ref called it low. then when i see it on video i hit em sqaure and fair. but if the ref calls it low then it's only courteous to put your glove out (sometimes the action is so furious and your adenaline is pumping the fighter who threw the shot is not too sure as well..till he sees the tape)
Well this conversation will just end up, "Yes it was, "no it wasn't", "YES IT WAS!", "NO IT WASN'T!"... LOL!...;) It was a low blow man... It landed around the bladder area.

They got given instructions before the fight as to what's low, and the belt line was the marker.

Yeah I've been in some sparring sessions where I would hit a guy low twice or thrice and not even mean to or know I was doing it.

Yeah I've been in some sparring sessions where I would hit a guy low twice or thrice and not even mean to or know I was doing it.

yeah that's what i mean. the action is so furious sometimes that you're throwing stuff around and don't realise it till later.

and to martinwbc: good point :)

It was a low blow, the only time either fighter was near going down was when the ropes saved Tszyu at the start of the 6th.

it was a knockdown the beltline is considered fair play some of the body shots that wright was throwing on trinidad were about there plus there was just a small portion of the glove below the beltline

i felt it was more of a slip than anything else. he was off balance and tszyu just hit him hard enough to knock him down.

It was a fierce battle that left Tszyu looking like he'd been hit with an axe and urinating blood as a result of the blatant low blow that put him on his knees in round nine.


Lewis was furious that English referee Dave Parris did not penalise Hatton for the vicious left hook to the groin that crushed whatever resistance Tszyu still had.


"I thought it was very weak of the ref," Lewis said. "Had an Australian referee like Billy Males or Trevor Christian seen a fighter do that they might very well have disqualified him.


"The Hatton camp accused Kostya of throwing low blows too but his were borderline and nothing so blatant as Ricky's shot.

it was a knockdown no doubt, but in hattons venue zoo woulda still lost the decision

great article on this fight by jake donovan on the sweetscience.

of course, all the euros say it was a low blow..

this is becoming a *****-made board

kali what strain is that?

kali what strain is that?


a kali mist that favored her sativa mother.

It was a fierce battle that left Tszyu looking like he'd been hit with an axe and urinating blood as a result of the blatant low blow that put him on his knees in round nine.


Lewis was furious that English referee Dave Parris did not penalise Hatton for the vicious left hook to the groin that crushed whatever resistance Tszyu still had.


"I thought it was very weak of the ref," Lewis said. "Had an Australian referee like Billy Males or Trevor Christian seen a fighter do that they might very well have disqualified him.


"The Hatton camp accused Kostya of throwing low blows too but his were borderline and nothing so blatant as Ricky's shot.

Kostya was throwing cheeky low blows, Kostya knew what he was doing so Hatton give him something to think about. I didnt see Kostya try that **** again after Hatton's low blow. It was just a warning so there isnt a big deal, to disqualify a fighter for one low blow is a bit extreme. Remember when they disqualified Roy Jones so some silly little thing, its not what the sports about.

I am of Euro descent and I say that Tszyu legitimately knocked him down with that punch. It was right on the belt line but that dick with ears they had in there reffing the fight couldn't tell his ass from his elbows.

I am of Euro descent and I say that Tszyu legitimately knocked him down with that punch. It was right on the belt line but that dick with ears they had in there reffing the fight couldn't tell his ass from his elbows.

Where in europe?? Russia :D

everything else a side, the topic of this thread asks " In your opinion was hatton knocked down?"

IMO he was, it was on the beltline... he didnt seem realy hurt and yes it was a dirty fight, blah, blah, blah, but in the end if you want a simple answer to whether it is or isnt, i say it is...

Low blow, without doubt.

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/500/20305Tszyu_Low_Blow_on_Hatton.gif


Very, Very low blow, that must have hurt!!

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/500/20305Hatton_Low_Blow_on_Tszyu.gif

If you look at my 2nd clip there, you will notice by looking at Hatton's back how high his trunks are.

They are definatly above his navel.

Tszyu's shot is on the belt line, and the trunks are very high.

I think it depends on what the ref said in the introductions about where on Hatton punches would be considered low.

But as you can see in the fight, the referee didn't really know what to do or think when it happened, which is no suprize, becuase he did a terrible job overall.

I think it wasn't low when considering how high he was wearing his trunks.

I think it wasn't low when considering how high he was wearing his trunks.

good point. usually when the trunks are too high the ref will call what area of the waist band is acceptable. but i think i issed that part of the fight cause' he usually calls it at the beginning.

i agree that the ref was terrible...but bad ref or good ref it was hatton's night.

ring a ding ding hatton is king

yeah baby lets ave it

If you look at my 2nd clip there, you will notice by looking at Hatton's back how high his trunks are.

They are definatly above his navel.

Tszyu's shot is on the belt line, and the trunks are very high.

I think it depends on what the ref said in the introductions about where on Hatton punches would be considered low.

But as you can see in the fight, the referee didn't really know what to do or think when it happened, which is no suprize, becuase he did a terrible job overall.

I think it wasn't low when considering how high he was wearing his trunks.

The ref was fine, i normally hate Dave Parris but IMO he did a good job. His shorts could have been up to his nipples but the punch landed low, it landed in the bladder area which is a Bozo no no.

Looked low to me, and zoo offered his glove after, not many fighters would do that if they thought they just been robbed of a knockdown

Looked low to me, and zoo offered his glove after, not many fighters would do that if they thought they just been robbed of a knockdown

I didnt think of that, maybe your not so dumb after all. :fing26:

I think it could have legitimately been ruled a knockdown but it was also just low enough that it could also have been ruled a low blow, which it was. I cringed when Hatton winged that puch at Tszyu nuts though...OUCH..Tszyu should have taken more time

I didnt think of that, maybe your not so dumb after all. :fing26:

That's it tubby I'm coming to kick your ass :boxing:
And i know it'l be easy to find you being rik wallers twin :p

To answer the original question its not a matter of opinion. Hatton did get knocked down and thats a fact, and no it wasnt a knockdown because the referee said it wasnt and his choice is final (and thats a fact too).

But Kostya Tszyu was knocked down aswell and thats a fact. And i wouldnt discredit Hatton for winning the fight on the dirty gameplan that Tszyu brought into the fight which Ricky then adapted to.

That's it tubby I'm coming to kick your ass :boxing:
And i know it'l be easy to find you being rik wallers twin :p

You couldnt kick my ass, you probably cant even read a map so the chances of you even getting here for a fight are slim. You bring Robin Hood and your mate Chris Eubank and if all 3 of you can hit me at the same time i'd give you a punchers chance!!

:tool:

You couldnt kick my ass, you probably cant even read a map so the chances of you even getting here for a fight are slim. You bring Robin Hood and your mate Chris Eubank and if all 3 of you can hit me at the same time i'd give you a punchers chance!!

:tool:

**** me you've got no chance, robin shoots you in the arms, (now you can't punch), chris recites some weird **** to send half asleep (your now prime for a ko blow) then i'd just come along and tap you over :smashfrea
easy as pie, **** i said pie bet your salavating now big boy

Idiot ref called it a "slip" like wtf. Either call it low or call it a knockdown. I thought it was a good body shot.

the REF ignored that punch, it was not a slip. IMO it was a knockdown. if not that it should have been counted as a low blow, it was a difficult call but it was one or the other

Watch the fight carefully, learn the rules.

On the belt is fine. Below the belt is not.

It hit on the belt, and put Hatton down (but did not overly hurt him). It is a knockdown.

I actually think if it was counted as it shoudl have been, Tszyu would have been strengthened a lot by it. He said afterwards that he didnt come out in the 12th because he was behind on the cards. With this knockdown, he might have given himself a chance.

This is taking nothing away from the win - Hatton definetaly derserved it, the aging Tszyu did not.

I just watch the fight last night. Good punch, should have been a knock down. And Zu should have fought that last round.