View Full Version : Dwight D. Eisenhower, American hero


Bombardier
06-06-2005, 10:11 AM
In the interests of finding something that people of all political affiliations can agree on, I thought I'd post something here about Dwight Eisenhower, American president from 1953-61.

People that wonder why some of us don't like Bush might want to read up a bit on another Republican who successfully managed to keep the planet in one piece during what might have been the most serious crisis in world history if you consider the consequences of screwing up (global nuclear war).

The conflict with Soviet Russia was a million times tougher to deal with then the "war on terrorism" and called for a sophisticated approach. Eidenhower managed to come to terms with Soviet leaders without comprimising the principles of his country and keep us all out of total war.

Among his other accomplishments:

- Pursuading the USSR to pull out of Austria, which turned into a prosperous democratic nation in the heart of the Iron Curtain.

- Promoting and enforcing the desegregation of southern schools (his quote: "There must be no second class citizens in this country")

- Continuing with New Deal policies while keeping up a prosperous economy and maintaining a balanced budget

Eisenhower, you might be surprised to hear, is the man who coined the term "military-industrial" complex. This is from his bio on whitehouse.gov:

"Before he left office in January 1961, for his farm in Gettysburg, he urged the necessity of maintaining an adequate military strength, but cautioned that vast, long-continued military expenditures could breed potential dangers to our way of life."

What I'm trying to get at is that Eisenhower, staunch Republican that he was, was warning against many of the things that the current Bush administration is doing right now. Also consider how the current reactionaries in power would have acted in Eisenhower's time, and where we might be now as a consequence.

He wasn't perfect, of course. His most glaring mistake was looking the other way when senator McCarthy was prosecuting innocent people on fradulent charges of being "communists". But here was a man who was educated, even-handed, and acted in the best interests of his country at all times.

Can you say that about anyone in the current administration? Be honest now.

The bio of Eisenhower on whitehouse.gov is surprisingly complete. Obciously it's a bit sugar-coated but it covers a lot of ground and is quite well-written:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/de34.html

neils7147933
06-06-2005, 10:25 AM
War Crimes USA Part 1
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1419

War Crimes USA Part 2
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=1422

Eisenhower’s Holocaust: His Slaughter of 1.7 Million Germans
www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm

In Eisenhower’s Death Camps: A US Prison Guard’s Story
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=135

Allied War Crimes: 1941-1950
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=136

Bombardier
06-06-2005, 10:31 AM
War Crimes USA Part 1
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1419

War Crimes USA Part 2
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=1422

Eisenhower’s Holocaust: His Slaughter of 1.7 Million Germans
www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm

In Eisenhower’s Death Camps: A US Prison Guard’s Story
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=135

Allied War Crimes: 1941-1950
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=136

Like I said he wasn't perfect. I was offering him up as an example of an able political leader, not a saint.

Having said that, a lot of this "evidence" seems a bit circumstantial. I could find you essays about alien autopsies that look as credible as these links.

neils7147933
06-06-2005, 10:38 AM
Like I said he wasn't perfect. I was offering him up as an example of an able political leader, not a saint.

Having said that, a lot of this "evidence" seems a bit circumstantial. I could find you essays about alien autopsies that look as credible as these links.
Whitehouse.gov can't be considered a credible link, either, can it? The word "propaganda" comes to mind.

Anyway, I don't care too much about Ike; but when it someone gets called a hero, I like to post an opposing viewpoint.

Heroes are hard to come by.

Bombardier
06-06-2005, 10:41 AM
Whitehouse.gov can't be considered a credible link, either, can it? The word "propaganda" comes to mind.

Anyway, I don't care too much about Ike; but when it someone gets called a hero, I like to post an opposing viewpoint.

Heroes are hard to come by.

Well, I like to "sell" my threads in the title, so many hero was overdoing a bit. Still, it had more zing than "Eisenhower, imo pretty decent in some respects though he had some flaws as well", don't you think?

Anyway, I put in the whitehouse.gov link because it stated a lot about what I already knew about Eisenhower. It's not like I learned about him from that site. It was a good summary of information that I learned from more credible sources.

Your opposing viewpoint is of course welcome, btw.

Explosivo
06-06-2005, 11:56 AM
Bomb, I dont know about the statement that the conflict with the Soviets was a million times more difficult to deal with than the war on terror. At least with the Soviets, we knew who the enemy was and they cared about dying, unlike who we are fighting today (who are we fighting anyway?).

Bombardier
06-06-2005, 12:06 PM
Bomb, I dont know about the statement that the conflict with the Soviets was a million times more difficult to deal with than the war on terror. At least with the Soviets, we knew who the enemy was and they cared about dying, unlike who we are fighting today (who are we fighting anyway?).

But in terms of ideology, Soviet communism was a lot more widespread and popular than fundamentalist Islam (at least it was...more on that in a minute). There was a real risk that it was going to spread to all corners of the Earth. Also unlike the terrorists we could not actually fight the Soviets because the risk of escalation. Also we're talking about hundreds of millions of people here rather than maybe a few million terrorists.

If you ask me the terrorist threat only seems harder because of the way it has been mishandled. With sound diplomatic measures it's possible we could have ended this problem years ago without having to lose a single life on our side. This is the fault of several previous administrations, not just the W. Bush one. All we've done since this problem started (which was more or less in the late 80s, at the end of the Soviet-Afghan war) is antagonize these people and increased their support.

With the Soviets you bascially had to deal with an ideology that enjoyed widespread support right from the start. If it was handled the way we've handled this current problem then it would have seemed a lot "harder" than it did otherwise. But because of sound non-military (and some military) measures the threat started to erode soon after it emerged.

neils7147933
06-06-2005, 12:08 PM
Much of the Cold War was a scam. It was good for our economy though. Just like this new threat is as well.

Bombardier
06-06-2005, 12:17 PM
Much of the Cold War was a scam. It was good for our economy though. Just like this new threat is as well.

It was a scam in the sense that certain people set things a certain way in the beginning and the rest just played out to its inevitable conclusion. Once the idea of containment was put in place all you had to do was wait. In the meantime, sure, a lot of bull**** propaganda was thrown back and forth.

neils7147933
06-06-2005, 12:23 PM
In ten or twenty years, we'll emerge to another Get Smart-style supervillain. First it was the Commies; now it's the extremist terrorists.

I wonder who we'll promote as KAOS in 2020?

LuKahnLi
06-06-2005, 03:37 PM
What nationality is the name Eisenhower? Doesn't it sound German?

phallus
06-06-2005, 06:36 PM
Like I said he wasn't perfect. I was offering him up as an example of an able political leader, not a saint.

Having said that, a lot of this "evidence" seems a bit circumstantial. I could find you essays about alien autopsies that look as credible as these links.


when compared to Dubya, almost any politician looks like a saint. i bet Brian peppers would make a better president than Bush

LuKahnLi
06-06-2005, 06:58 PM
when compared to Dubya, almost any politician looks like a saint. i bet Brian peppers would make a better president than Bush

I bet Martin Sheen who plays the President on the West Wing would be a better president than Bush. Hell, sometimes when I watch that show I wish he would run.

phallus
06-06-2005, 07:01 PM
I bet Martin Sheen who plays the President on the West Wing would be a better president than Bush. Hell, sometimes when I watch that show I wish he would run.



a used tampon would make a better pres than Bush. i don't think Sheen's got a shot at it though, the next pres will be
Ahnold S.

LuKahnLi
06-06-2005, 07:02 PM
a used tampon would make a better pres than Bush. i don't think Sheen's got a shot at it though, the next pres will be
Ahnold S.

WEll hell, Conan the Barbarian WILL be a better president than Bush then.