what do u guys think..is he on some "illegal supplyment" or what?..the day of the joey gamache fight..gamache weighed 144 while gatti weighed 161

what do u guys think..is he on some "illegal supplyment" or what?..the day of the joey gamache fight..gamache weighed 144 while gatti weighed 161

Are you that stupid?

Don't take no supplement, dude. Some guys can do it, some cannot. Castillo does the equivalent in his weight-class. It's just water weight. He gets down to no water in his body and perhaps uses lax to get the solids out all the way, to make weight, then refills with water and food to come in the ring around 160 lbs.

Don't take no supplement, dude. Some guys can do it, some cannot. Castillo does the equivalent in his weight-class. It's just water weight. He gets down to no water in his body and perhaps uses lax to get the solids out all the way, to make weight, then refills with water and food to come in the ring around 160 lbs.
Thank you.

Don't take no supplement, dude. Some guys can do it, some cannot. Castillo does the equivalent in his weight-class. It's just water weight. He gets down to no water in his body and perhaps uses lax to get the solids out all the way, to make weight, then refills with water and food to come in the ring around 160 lbs.


^true.

Gatti almost killed gamache that was sad, I dont like the thought of making weight they should have a limit like if your 140 fight with only a 5 pound gain the next day so max would be 145 it seems really unfair but hey those are the rules. Gatti was bigger in the gamache fight then when he was in the de la hoya fight it was strange when gatti weighed in for the 147 pound limit the next day I think he weighed in at 152 or something it is incredible how he got all the weigh up to 161 for the gamache fight after weighing in at 140.

Again its all water, and **** they take laxatives and then right after the way in eat there ass off to supple the body with nutrients and drink fluids to hydrate themselfs.

Look man, you gotta realise that yes it would be difficult for the average person to gain 15-20lbs in a day on top of his 'natural weight'. But many boxers walk around between fights 20+lbs heavier than their weight division. So they've been training their asses off for months before a fight, and eating really strict (or even dehydrating!) to make the weight limit. So they are way below their 'natural weight' when they try to make their weight limit. Then it's ****ing easy to put on some serious weight in some seriously quick time after you've been stripping your weight down for months. Just through sitting down and eating heavily you could certainly put on 15-20lbs in a day on top of your weight-drained shape. That's why most fighters fight in weight divisions below where they could do (trying to be heavier than their opponent on fight night for an advantage), and why most fighters find it easy to move up to a higher weight division. It's why Hopkins, for example, will still look in great shape as a light-heavyweight.

1 word. creatine .

Thing is Gatti didn't ever weigh 140 when fighting Gamache. Gatti weighed over the limit. This is documented, look it up. Gatti jumped on the scale, saw he was over the limit and immediately jumped off. Gamache's trainer asked for Gatti to get back on the scale and the New York State Athletic Commissioner, Tony Russo I think, told him to shut up and quit trying to cause a fuss.

Gatti is a ****ing bum. This is one of the reasons I ****ing hate him. He could've at least found a journeyman that was his weight to beat up. Gamache was permanently injured. And say what you want, but Gatti is just as much at fault as everyone who allowed him to get away with it. If someone kills someone else and they get away with it, the murderer is still a murderer. The ones who didn't prevent the murder aren't as bad as the criminal.

Weigh ins should take place the day of the fight. I'm sick of seeing guys fighting for a belt at a certain weight class come in the ring 15 pounds heavier, makes no sense.

There is a downside to weighing in on the day of the fight. It is health reasons. Being so dehydrated on the day of the fight is not good for the brain. The day before allows the membranes to have a chance to grow.

People should just fight at a weight that they can make without having to drain themselves though. Gatti really should fight at around 154-160.

There is a downside to weighing in on the day of the fight. It is health reasons. Being so dehydrated on the day of the fight is not good for the brain. The day before allows the membranes to have a chance to grow.

People should just fight at a weight that they can make without having to drain themselves though. Gatti really should fight at around 154-160.

Thats the point...
then you wont see people all losing 20 pounds

If it's the day of the fight, then they got to pay the price for making weight..

actually you would see them killing themselves to make weight. They used to have same day weigh ins. I believe they still do in some parts of the world. Thailand I believe. How often do you hear about a Thai fighter being killed in the ring? A lot more often than you do about fighters here. Unfortunately, people would try draining themselves for that edge just like they do now.

There have been performance enhancing drugs that athletes have taken even though the drugs were killing them. And they knew the drugs were killing them, constant nose-bleeds, headaches, etc. Kidney failure must be a painful way to die.

Gatti is a ****ing bum. This is one of the reasons I ****ing hate him. He could've at least found a journeyman that was his weight to beat up. Gamache was permanently injured. And say what you want, but Gatti is just as much at fault as everyone who allowed him to get away with it. If someone kills someone else and they get away with it, the murderer is still a murderer. The ones who didn't prevent the murder aren't as bad as the criminal.

Haha, man this is gettin old. A bum?? Cmon man ur better than that. Gatti is no bum. Gatti and bum should never be in the same sentence. You may not like Gatti or question his skills but leave it at that. Saying Gatti is bum makes you plain stupid.

A bum doesnt get off the canvas from being knocked down to win the fight. And how many times have we seen Gatti snatch victory from when it seems Gatti will surely lose. Bums dont fight w/ a broken hand. Yet how many times have we seen Gatti fight w/ one and still be able to box his way to victory?? Bums lie down, Gatti doesnt.

Get ur facts straight masterdirector or i will keep correcting you. But its gettin old and im sick of playin wet nurse for you.

I agree about the Gamache thing. Masterdirector does have his facts straight on that. You neglected to quote him on that. So you are already half wrong.

I can help with some documentation:

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20011112&c=5&s=newfield

Quoted from above link:

Tony Russo, another GOP loyalist, was the $77,000-a-year seldom-show executive director of the NYSAC. He was quietly eased out after we exposed how he botched the weigh-in for the Arturo Gatti-Joey Gamache fight at Madison Square Garden in February 2000. Russo supervised that weigh-in and allowed Gatti to jump off the scale after the balance beam indicated that Gatti was clearly over the contracted weight.

Gamache's trainer, Jimmy Glenn, immediately protested that Gatti was "over the weight," and asked that he get back on the scale. But Russo, who was there to insure competitive fairness, told Glenn, "Shut up! Stop making a fuss!"

At fight time the next night, after rehydrating his body, Gatti weighed fifteen pounds more than Gamache; HBO weighed both boxers in their dressing rooms. Such a size disparity, over two weight classifications, is not permitted under the rules. Gatti knocked Gamache out cold in two rounds. Gamache spent two nights in the hospital and hasn't boxed since, on the advice of his doctors.


Defend that, ThunderGatti.

It would be nice if we would all just stop this nonsense.

You got to suck to be the biggest mother-****er in the division and still not be the best it has to offer. I'd like to see him fight Miguel Cotto at Middleweight.

There is a downside to weighing in on the day of the fight. It is health reasons. Being so dehydrated on the day of the fight is not good for the brain. The day before allows the membranes to have a chance to grow.

People should just fight at a weight that they can make without having to drain themselves though. Gatti really should fight at around 154-160.


^ya but if gatti fights at that weight he wont be knocking guys out that size that is why they make him lose so much weight.

Just like erik morales he wont be knocking any 140 pounders out.


Floyd mayweather jr weighs in the next day only 2 to 4 pounds over the limit at 144 max that is why I respect him and his ethic.

Demarcus chop chop corely weighed like 142 against cotto and I believe cotto weighed 155 and corley almost knocked his head off!

I agree fighters should fight at there regular weight but it will never happen because some fighters dont have the frame to carry there weight with power, and like always there will be fighters losing weight even on the fight day ways to make weight and probally die in the ring from health problems making it bad for boxing, boxing already has enough heat and problems more damge to boxing.

I think the weigh ins are perfect day before the fight.

actually you would see them killing themselves to make weight. They used to have same day weigh ins. I believe they still do in some parts of the world. Thailand I believe. How often do you hear about a Thai fighter being killed in the ring? A lot more often than you do about fighters here. Unfortunately, people would try draining themselves for that edge just like they do now.

There have been performance enhancing drugs that athletes have taken even though the drugs were killing them. And they knew the drugs were killing them, constant nose-bleeds, headaches, etc. Kidney failure must be a painful way to die.


^^^^^AGREED

I agree about the Gamache thing. Masterdirector does have his facts straight on that. You neglected to quote him on that. So you are already half wrong.

I can help with some documentation:

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20011112&c=5&s=newfield

Quoted from above link:


Defend that, ThunderGatti.

It would be nice if we would all just stop this nonsense.


^hahaha damn you schooled him!

hectari, the only thing is if it were a perfect world and EVERYBODY fought at a more natural weight, the weight classes would be a good bit different. Therefore say Gatti were naturally at 154, well Winky Wright would also fight at his natural weight which might be 160, etc. So everyone would fight in say a division (or two) higher than where they're currently fighting.

Yeah, I agree, their power wouldn't carry the same and they'd be slower, but if that is the case maybe they don't really belong in the ring. Not at the elite level at least. Just a thought. I must give you good karma for your nice posts though. Good points.

I agree about the Gamache thing. Masterdirector does have his facts straight on that. You neglected to quote him on that. So you are already half wrong.


Defend that, ThunderGatti.

It would be nice if we would all just stop this nonsense.


Great Im proud of u. You did a nice google search and found an article on the Gamache fight. But youngturk I wasnt replying to the facts surrounding the Gatti/Gamache fight. I was replying to the stupid,pointless, and factless insults made by masterdirector when he called Gatti a bum.

So youngturk dont rebuke my previous reply towards master director based on comments i didnt make. If you want my opinion on the Gamache weigh in or other subjects just ask. But be polite and say please b/c we want all this other nonsense to stop.

But back to the gamache fight how is Gatti at fault for doing what he has done his whole carreer, and its not just gatti that does this, look at Cotto/Corely as someone had previously mentioned. And if Gamache gave Gatti trouble or even won the fight we would have never have heard of the incident.

So the blame lies not on Gatti himself but the rules and regulations at the top of boxing itself. Too many weightclasses and the weigh ins should possibly be moved to the day of the fight. SO to go back for a sec say Gatti makes weight on the Gamache fight the day before, does it matter?? So Gatti comes in weighing 10 pounds over the limit instead of 14, does that solve anything?

There is a downside to weighing in on the day of the fight. It is health reasons. Being so dehydrated on the day of the fight is not good for the brain. The day before allows the membranes to have a chance to grow.

People should just fight at a weight that they can make without having to drain themselves though. Gatti really should fight at around 154-160.

He wouldn't even be top 10 in the junior/mid weight divisions, thus he does what he has to to make 140.

Thunder, you are blinded by your love of Arturo Gatti. What he did was wrong. He knew he weighed too much, hence why he jumped off that scale.

I did a google search? There's no need to insult me. Don't turn this into a personal attack upon myself, friend. I was trying to settle both of you down. In this case, I must say you were simply uninformed about the Gatti-Gamache fight.

Jack Newfield (the late great) wrote that article by the way, in case you didn't bother checking. I didn't just pull it out of my ass off some ass google search. The Shame of Boxing, one of the better articles written in recent years on our sport. You should read that entire article.

Take a look around, educate yourself. Charles Jay has three interesting E-books that you could read.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/

I don't agree with everything he has in those books, but I like him overall.

And look, Gatti does have lots of heart as a fighter. As a person, mmm...I don't know. Seems okay, but it is hard for me to think very highly of a guy that endangers the lives of his opponents with an unfair weight advantage. We're talking Tito Trinidad fighting DeMarcus Corley, if we take away every bit of skill Corley has (cause let's face it, Gamache was a guy with the very basics of boxing). Gamache could've been killed or even more seriously injured than he was. Gatti is a big part of that problem. He knew in his heart that he was way over the limit.

Now, Gamache's trainer should've done something more. The commissioner should've made Gatti weigh-in again. We don't know what Gatti actually weighed at that weigh-in, except that it was clearly over the limit.

Now, are you actually trying to have a conversation or just trying to insult me? If you want to insult me, fine, but not out here on public display. PM me if you're just trying that. I'm not trying to "school" you or anything. I just think you're misinformed.

thats sounds fishy.

It is bad, but Gatti will also suffer. The weight shenanigans will take its tool on him. Also Tito would have a way bigger advantage over Corley than Gatti had over Gamache. Gatti outweighed Gamache by not quite 20 lbs, whereas Tito would outweigh Corley by 28 lbs. Plus Tito just has more p4p power. But I see what you're saying.

Umm...thanks turk and super lightweight (though I prefer saying jr. welterweight).

ThunderGatti, they told you, ha.

None of the US commissions are going to make the weigh-ins the day of the fights. You have more of a chance of letting a fighter fight without a mouth-piece.

Part of being a professional boxer is the ability to lose large amounts of weight in a short amount of time AND be able to gain it back while keeping your strengh in the 24 or so hours you have before the actual fight.

If you spend a lot of time working on your jab to give you an advantage, your opponent can hire a nutritionist to help them lose large amounts of weight and still be strong.

Any jackass can lose 10-12% of their bodyweight for a weigh-in if they didn't have to fight. When you don't do it right, you end up fighting like crap like Cotto in his last fight against Coreley.

Thunder, you are blinded by your love of Arturo Gatti. What he did was wrong. He knew he weighed too much, hence why he jumped off that scale.

I did a google search? There's no need to insult me. Don't turn this into a personal attack upon myself, friend. I was trying to settle both of you down. In this case, I must say you were simply uninformed about the Gatti-Gamache fight.

Jack Newfield (the late great) wrote that article by the way, in case you didn't bother checking. I didn't just pull it out of my ass off some ass google search. The Shame of Boxing, one of the better articles written in recent years on our sport. You should read that entire article.

Take a look around, educate yourself. Charles Jay has three interesting E-books that you could read.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/

I don't agree with everything he has in those books, but I like him overall.

And look, Gatti does have lots of heart as a fighter. As a person, mmm...I don't know. Seems okay, but it is hard for me to think very highly of a guy that endangers the lives of his opponents with an unfair weight advantage. We're talking Tito Trinidad fighting DeMarcus Corley, if we take away every bit of skill Corley has (cause let's face it, Gamache was a guy with the very basics of boxing). Gamache could've been killed or even more seriously injured than he was. Gatti is a big part of that problem. He knew in his heart that he was way over the limit.

Now, Gamache's trainer should've done something more. The commissioner should've made Gatti weigh-in again. We don't know what Gatti actually weighed at that weigh-in, except that it was clearly over the limit.

Now, are you actually trying to have a conversation or just trying to insult me? If you want to insult me, fine, but not out here on public display. PM me if you're just trying that. I'm not trying to "school" you or anything. I just think you're misinformed.



^was it a title fight? if this fight was sanctioned by one of the major belts,I heard the IBF has to do two weigh ins and a fighter cannot gain more then 10 pounds the next day.

I saw that fight and it was brutal if anyone had heart that day it was joey gamache! gatti was out to kill knowing full well he outweighed the guy and had a major size advantage.

Gatti is one of my favorites but I have to admit what he did was his own ethics, It was sneaky jumping off the scales I heard he weighed 145 on the scale but he only put half a foot on the scale and was on the edge of it, I call that cheap and cheat.

Thunder, you are blinded by your love of Arturo Gatti. What he did was wrong. He knew he weighed too much, hence why he jumped off that scale.

I did a google search? There's no need to insult me. Don't turn this into a personal attack upon myself, friend. I was trying to settle both of you down. In this case, I must say you were simply uninformed about the Gatti-Gamache fight.

Jack Newfield (the late great) wrote that article by the way, in case you didn't bother checking. I didn't just pull it out of my ass off some ass google search. The Shame of Boxing, one of the better articles written in recent years on our sport. You should read that entire article.

Take a look around, educate yourself. Charles Jay has three interesting E-books that you could read.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/

I don't agree with everything he has in those books, but I like him overall.

And look, Gatti does have lots of heart as a fighter. As a person, mmm...I don't know. Seems okay, but it is hard for me to think very highly of a guy that endangers the lives of his opponents with an unfair weight advantage. We're talking Tito Trinidad fighting DeMarcus Corley, if we take away every bit of skill Corley has (cause let's face it, Gamache was a guy with the very basics of boxing). Gamache could've been killed or even more seriously injured than he was. Gatti is a big part of that problem. He knew in his heart that he was way over the limit.

Now, Gamache's trainer should've done something more. The commissioner should've made Gatti weigh-in again. We don't know what Gatti actually weighed at that weigh-in, except that it was clearly over the limit.

Now, are you actually trying to have a conversation or just trying to insult me? If you want to insult me, fine, but not out here on public display. PM me if you're just trying that. I'm not trying to "school" you or anything. I just think you're misinformed.


Turk im not blind. The fact is if the weigh in is the not the day of the fight fighters will abuse the the weight avantage in 24 hrs.

But you also have to remember its takes true sacrifice to be able to do that to ur body, a lot of fighters cannot gain that much weight in between the weigh in and fight night.

Im not at all condoning what Gatti did, but u have to look at the hard facts. Say Gatti makes weight hes still gonna out weigh Gamache by 10-12 pounds. And also Gamaches managment could be at fault too, they should have made a "fuss" about it. But they rolled over thinkin Gamache could handle a big Gatti. Its unfortuate that Gamache got hurt but from what I heard hes is ok now, just cant fight. But you know turk its boxing and people get hurt

Turk im not blind. The fact is if the weigh in is the not the day of the fight fighters will abuse the the weight avantage in 24 hrs.

But you also have to remember its takes true sacrifice to be able to do that to ur body, a lot of fighters cannot gain that much weight in between the weigh in and fight night.

Im not at all condoning what Gatti did, but u have to look at the hard facts. Say Gatti makes weight hes still gonna out weigh Gamache by 10-12 pounds. And also Gamaches managment could be at fault too, they should have made a "fuss" about it. But they rolled over thinkin Gamache could handle a big Gatti. Its unfortuate that Gamache got hurt but from what I heard hes is ok now, just cant fight. But you know turk its boxing and people get hurt


^I also believe gamaches people should have stopped it after the first round but that is besides the point.

Gatti got pummeled by a oscar dela hoya! so gatti will never be a middleweight or a serious 147 pounder ever, even if his natural weight is 160 his body type is to small to be dangerous at those higher weights.

I really doubt Gamache's manager truly believed his fighter would beat Gatti. He should've said something, yes, but he was human. He was the little trainer in most likely the biggest fight he'd been involved in. That is no excuse, but that is probably why the trainer didn't say anymore. He wanted his fighter to be able to say he was in there with someone like Gatti. That's a once in a lifetime opportunity. It was irresponsible, but it was probably also the reason he didn't stop the fight himself.

My point is if Gatti came in at 145 or so for the weigh in, and he gained 15 lbs, my goodness, he was huge by the time of the fight. Instead of being a super welterweight he'd have been a bonafide middleweight.

Gatti did this, it was against the rules to come in overweight and he did just that. Knowingly too.

When Toney, Vargas, and Mosley all tested positive for steroids, I didn't hold it against them so much because I really doubt any of those three knew they were on such drugs. If they had, why would they not pay off someone in their entourage not juiced up to take the urine test? Mosley could've easily got his wife to take it.

Mosley, Vargas, and Toney all have a connection, California. So does Barry Bonds. Balco labs. I speculate that these athletes, most if not all of them (anybody using Balco labs' products) had no clue that they were taking steroids. Who in their right mind would do so?

Toney especially, since his positive test came way after all the other windfall. Which his probably was legitimately from his shoulder surgery. It is still inexcusable for the fighter to be on them, I'm not excusing that. It is still against the rules. But it is the probability that they did not knowingly cheat that is the difference.

I really doubt Gamache's manager truly believed his fighter would beat Gatti. He should've said something, yes, but he was human. He was the little trainer in most likely the biggest fight he'd been involved in. That is no excuse, but that is probably why the trainer didn't say anymore. He wanted his fighter to be able to say he was in there with someone like Gatti. That's a once in a lifetime opportunity. It was irresponsible, but it was probably also the reason he didn't stop the fight himself.

My point is if Gatti came in at 145 or so for the weigh in, and he gained 15 lbs, my goodness, he was huge by the time of the fight. Instead of being a super welterweight he'd have been a bonafide middleweight.

Gatti did this, it was against the rules to come in overweight and he did just that. Knowingly too.

When Toney, Vargas, and Mosley all tested positive for steroids, I didn't hold it against them so much because I really doubt any of those three knew they were on such drugs. If they had, why would they not pay off someone in their entourage not juiced up to take the urine test? Mosley could've easily got his wife to take it.

Mosley, Vargas, and Toney all have a connection, California. So does Barry Bonds. Balco labs. I speculate that these athletes, most if not all of them (anybody using Balco labs' products) had no clue that they were taking steroids. Who in their right mind would do so?

Toney especially, since his positive test came way after all the other windfall. Which his probably was legitimately from his shoulder surgery. It is still inexcusable for the fighter to be on them, I'm not excusing that. It is still against the rules. But it is the probability that they did not knowingly cheat that is the difference.


^They all took ingestible roids or the cream that you rub on your arm and sinks in your pores. I think the advantage of these roids is that there effects are less noticeable since they are not as powerful as the injections. Do you remember the name of the roids they test positive for? Didnt roy jones jr take some too?

go on me old ****er

I doubt the effectiveness of any steroids for any boxers anyhow really. If anything, they're a minus, slowing a fighter down. What good is a more powerful punch if you're all bulky and too slow to land it? Not justification, just my personal viewpoint if I were a fighter.

I dunno. Steroids won't necessarily make you bulky. It depends how you train with them. Steroids help you train harder, because your body is less prone to injury. I think steroids could probably help a boxer quite a bit.