If so how do I grow broad shoulders so I can have a large back.

you cant grow broad shoulders but you can increase your shoulder muscle size which will help with the broad look. you cant grow a bigger back as well unless your talking about increasing the muscles in your back to make it wider due to muscle size like your teres and lat muscles. i'll be puttin up a vid of shoulder workouts soon that you can checkout on my youtube as well as back workouts if you want to check it out below.

goodluck

apparently, borad shoulders help.. my coach reckoned it made up for me being so short lol, but honestly the only times I've ever been rocked (twice) it was by tall scrawny mofos who were skilled enough to catch me off guard.

shoulder muscle strength and endurance are necessary but how big they are isn't necessarily relevant

u cant grow broad shoulders, they do help alot as far as punching power goes though. height, reach, broad shoulders and wide hips all help u hit harder but u cant grow any of it. thats why punchers are born not made.

if u want to hit harder focus on getting better tecnique, guys like hearns and mcclellan werent considered punchers in the amateurs simply cuz they hadnt learned how to get leverage on their punches.

other than that try to improve your handspeed and your strenght. the strenght that matters as far as punching goes is the legs, the core and the back. be careful not to put on too much muscle though. if u go above your natural weight u will lose more speed than u gain strenght and acctually punch weaker, also if u put too much across your back u will lose the snap in your shoulders which is the key to punching power. too much on the legs and u will have to move up in weight and fight bigger guys.

height, reach, broad shoulders and wide hips all help u hit harder

Marciano was arguably one of the hardest punchers in boxing. All those who faced him attested to that fact. He repeatedly punched La Starza's forearms in an attempt to bring down his guard, and ruptured all the blood vessels in them. He also had 43 KOs in 49 bouts.

Marciano was 185lbs and 5'11" with a 42" chest, a freakishly short 68" reach, and stoop shoulders.

There's a sound argument that shorter reach actually provides a better basis for punching power by making it easier to leverage weight behind the punch, because the arm reaching vmax plus the transference of weight better coincide with the punch connecting, and because the momentum to force translation occurs more quickly due to greater rigidity and faster deceleration.

I can go into more detail if required.

But having said that, punching power is mostly down to technique, particularly speed and weight transfer, so make the best of what you got :)

The single best way to improve punching power is to practise hitting the heavy bag. The heavier the bag the better ;)

a lot of things are just natural

Strength Training For Fighters
http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/strengthtraining.html

If so how do I grow broad shoulders so I can have a large back.

Sounds a bit like bodybuilding to me mate .
From the last article .

2. Strength Training Is NOT Bodybuilding

Many old school trainers cringe at the thought of weight lifting, as their interpretation of this phrase is akin to bodybuilding. The phrase weight lifting causes one to automatically envision large, muscle-bound bodybuilders.

Let's get one thing clear...

A fighter has no business following a bodybuilding routine. Bodybuilding emphasizes aesthetics. The activity involves posing various muscle groups for a panel of judges. There is no concern for athletic qualities such as speed, power, and endurance. An athlete trains for function. A fighter will not gain points on the judge's scorecard by crafting a symmetrical pair of pectoral muscles. To compare strength training for a fighter to bodybuilding is like comparing a fresh orange to an artificial apple.

Please note that this is not a knock against bodybuilding. Bodybuilding is simply not the ideal strength regimen for a competitive fighter.

olympic lifting will broaden your shoulders.

a lot of things are just natural

yep..........

olympic lifting will broaden your shoulders.

No they won't! They can stimulate your traps alot though.

Shoulder width is determined by your clavicle. All you can do is work the shoulder muscles to stimulate growth. You won't need to do 8 different types of shoulder exercises, just simple standing overhead press with a barbell would be enough.

Alternatively hit the speedbag a lot. That works your shoulders really hard, and in a way that is tailored towards punching.

Marciano was arguably one of the hardest punchers in boxing. All those who faced him attested to that fact. He repeatedly punched La Starza's forearms in an attempt to bring down his guard, and ruptured all the blood vessels in them. He also had 43 KOs in 49 bouts.

Marciano was 185lbs and 5'11" with a 42" chest, a freakishly short 68" reach, and stoop shoulders.

There's a sound argument that shorter reach actually provides a better basis for punching power by making it easier to leverage weight behind the punch, because the arm reaching vmax plus the transference of weight better coincide with the punch connecting, and because the momentum to force translation occurs more quickly due to greater rigidity and faster deceleration.

I can go into more detail if required.

But having said that, punching power is mostly down to technique, particularly speed and weight transfer, so make the best of what you got :)

The single best way to improve punching power is to practise hitting the heavy bag. The heavier the bag the better ;)

marciano fought bulked up Lt.HWs with ****ty punch resistance, his power is overrated.

i look at the kronk fighters, proven punchers. tall, lean guys who generated leverage from their height and reach aswell as usually broad shoulders. tommy hearns obviously being the best example.

marciano had wide hips and was very strong, thats where he got power from in addition to hitting glass in most of his fights. im a huge fan of moore, walcott and even more so ezzard charles, but they were blown up 175lbers who couldnt take a punch at HW.

shorter reach is preferable to shorter fighters who generate more power in hooks than straight punches, mike tyson is a good example. but these fighters need wide shoulders and hips instead.

taller guys with long reach can use that reach to generate power when punching with a fully extended arm. i agree the key is always technique and speed though, like i said, before mcclellan and hearns were shown how to punch properly neighter was considered a puncher. but once they were shown how to punch properly they got leverege from their height, reach and wide shoulders.

marciano fought bulked up Lt.HWs with ****ty punch resistance, his power is overrated.

i look at the kronk fighters, proven punchers. tall, lean guys who generated leverage from their height and reach aswell as usually broad shoulders. tommy hearns obviously being the best example.

marciano had wide hips and was very strong, thats where he got power from in addition to hitting glass in most of his fights. im a huge fan of moore, walcott and even more so ezzard charles, but they were blown up 175lbers who couldnt take a punch at HW.

shorter reach is preferable to shorter fighters who generate more power in hooks than straight punches, mike tyson is a good example. but these fighters need wide shoulders and hips instead.

taller guys with long reach can use that reach to generate power when punching with a fully extended arm. i agree the key is always technique and speed though, like i said, before mcclellan and hearns were shown how to punch properly neighter was considered a puncher. but once they were shown how to punch properly they got leverege from their height, reach and wide shoulders.

I heard alot about marciano and the italian mafia theres alot of rumors.

walcott and even more so ezzard charles, but they were blown up 175lbers who couldnt take a punch at HW.

Walcott fought at HW from 1933-1953, that's 20 years. Only the first four fights in his career were at under 175lbs, the other 67 were at HW. Far from being a blown up LHW he typically hovered around the 195lbs mark. Aside from Marciano he was only KO'd 4x in his entire career, and one of those was to Joe Louis in 1948 when Louis was still champion and weighed 211lbs, and another was to Abe Simon who weighed in at 256lbs!

I reckon that trashes your Walcott was a blown up LHW with poor punch resistance theory.

http://www.campbells.org/BIG_FILES/r+r_Marciano-Wolcott(23Sept1952)-33.jpg

And that is most definitely a hard straight punch coming from a 185lbs fighter to a 195lbs fighter - by anyone's criteria.

marciano fought bulked up Lt.HWs with ****ty punch resistance, his power is overrated.

In actuality Marciano campaigned 49 fights at HW and scored 43 KOs. 11 of those KOs were against fighters weighing in excess of 200lbs.

Rex Layne was 193lbs and Rocky hit him so hard his teeth sheared off inside his mouthpiece which flew across the ring.

Carmine Vingo almost died in the ring after being KO'd and spent some time in a coma.

Okay guys so basically no excersize will increase my shoulder width but natural growth will.Lately I've been doing loads of pull ups and I feel my back people have been telling me my back and shoulders have grown.

Okay guys so basically no excersize will increase my shoulder width but natural growth will.Lately I've been doing loads of pull ups and I feel my back people have been telling me my back and shoulders have grown.


im sure the muscles have grown but if you measure the distance from shoulder blade to shoulder blade it should always be the same.

If so how do I grow broad shoulders so I can have a large back.

They don't. But long arms, if used properly, can give you the leverage to generate alot of power. See Corrales/ Funeka/Hearns.

Broaden your back not your shoulders. So do alot of back exercises like pullups and such. You want your shoulders flexible and nimble not hulking like Dwight Howard.

Then afterwards work your technique.... a.k.a keep your non-punching hand close to your body while you punch. That way you get the leverage from your back(one of the biggest and strongest muscle on your body) not your chest.



Being born with the body type of a big puncher helps too but that doesn't automatically mean you can't get power. Just work out, getting strength in your lower body can help to. That way when you sit on your punches, the kinetic energy travels through strong quads and hamstrings, up your body to your back, and through your arm. Perfect technique will aid in delivering the kinetic energy more effectively through your arms(waist turning, punching form) and then.... in the words of Lampley "BANG"

close grip pull ups are good for punching. better then say wide grip where its really only the first like 5 inches under your arm pit of your back that your working where as close grip is more the full range of motion working the lats closer to the core and under your pits(but not as much under your pits).

They don't. But long arms, if used properly, can give you the leverage to generate alot of power. See Corrales/ Funeka/Hearns.

I have long arms and legs my arms are longer then my brothers who 24 years old.

Okay guys so basically no excersize will increase my shoulder width but natural growth will.Lately I've been doing loads of pull ups and I feel my back people have been telling me my back and shoulders have grown.

Pullups overhand will definitely work your back. As for me, it's funny cause I never ever did pull ups during my school years but I always hear from people how big my back is. I tell them it's all natural and they call bull**** on me. I barely do back workouts and they think it's all I do. It's definitely natural on some people and just the way your born or your genes. My cousin has the same exact looking back as mines and he barely works out in his life so it's definitely something your born with. A good example of the power you get from a big back is Kelly Pavlik. He's all backpower and just about nothing else lol.

close grip pull ups are good for punching. better then say wide grip where its really only the first like 5 inches under your arm pit of your back that your working where as close grip is more the full range of motion working the lats closer to the core and under your pits(but not as much under your pits).
a wide grip pullup actually works your lats more just try it and you will see...close grip works more your triceps...but yes i'd say close grip is better for overall punching like youve said but as far as your lats go wide is best just look at the lat machines in your gym..they all have wide bars wether its on the cables or a stationary machine such as a hammer strength etc

Power comes from your core (Hips, Legs, Midsection)

A Herculean lat spread and broad shoulders won't make you punch any harder

a wide grip pullup actually works your lats more just try it and you will see...close grip works more your triceps...but yes i'd say close grip is better for overall punching like youve said but as far as your lats go wide is best just look at the lat machines in your gym..they all have wide bars wether its on the cables or a stationary machine such as a hammer strength etc

with wide grip you notice more of a difference because of the little area of muscle that your working where as with close grip your even making your lats wider around your waist area so as you build muscle its spread out over a much greater area.

also with wide grip its easier to do the pull up to your chest or abs which uses your back more then your arms once you get use to doing this wide grip its just as easy to do it close grip maintaining the use of the back along with a much greater range of motion.

a mix of both will make your back look really nice (Bruce leeish) but for punching all you really need is close grip.

I'm curious... please could someone explain to me how the PULLING muscles in the back are said to aid punching?

by adding strength stability and mass to your core and upper body.

by adding strength stability and mass to your core and upper body.

Doesn't mass also add weight?
What does strength have to do with punching?
How does core stability affect punching?

with wide grip you notice more of a difference because of the little area of muscle that your working where as with close grip your even making your lats wider around your waist area so as you build muscle its spread out over a much greater area.

also with wide grip its easier to do the pull up to your chest or abs which uses your back more then your arms once you get use to doing this wide grip its just as easy to do it close grip maintaining the use of the back along with a much greater range of motion.

a mix of both will make your back look really nice (Bruce leeish) but for punching all you really need is close grip.
alright we on same page then lol i just didnt word it gr8

Doesn't mass also add weight?
What does strength have to do with punching?
How does core stability affect punching?

yes mass= weight

weight= harder punch f=ma

strength compensates for the weight

stability allows you to put more force into the punch while remaining balanced which also helps to compensate for the weight

also the negative improves the spring of the muscle when used concentrically if you accentuate it.

its not about adding mass. strength training does not = mass. If you do not have a calorie surplus you will not put on mass.

strength and power are reliant on sufficient neuromuscular coordination. The reason broad shoulders probably help is more to do with the weight distribution in your body amplifying the force differently.

some guys are touching on what you'll need to do to get power, some guys are just ****ing retarded.

whole body strength is necessary to increase your power. this means pushing AND pulling. the power of your core (abs, obliques, back) and your whole posterior chain must be strong, but in proportion with each other.

..again a program like http://www.stronglifts.com will do everything you need for building power.

for some extra benefits add in low rep cleans/jumps/hammer swings etc and russian twists, wood choppers and other ab work

yes mass= weight

weight= harder punch f=ma

More weight = higher weight class = all advantage of the extra mass is negated.

strength compensates for the weight

Please tell me about your strange Earth ways???

stability allows you to put more force into the punch while remaining balanced which also helps to compensate for the weight

I love pull ups but in order to increase core strength you need to do just one rep as slowly as possible. Regular speed or explosive pull ups only really target the major muscles in the group.

also the negative improves the spring of the muscle when used concentrically if you accentuate it.

Quacks like a turd.

I love pull ups but in order to increase core strength you need to do just one rep as slowly as possible. Regular speed or explosive pull ups only really target the major muscles in the group.

Major muscles in the group? i dont know if you seen what the lats look like but they originate at your iliac crest(as well as connect to and give lots of support to the spine). which is your core. by using close grip pull ups the entire lat area is in the range of motion and being worked reguardless if you work it fast or slow.


Quacks like a turd.


yes you are a turd.

Here you can check out the lats and its actions on the arm by clicking the blue words on the right under actions
http://www.getbodysmart.com/ap/muscularsystem/armmuscles/posteriormuscles/latissimus/tutorial.html

Major muscles in the group? i dont know if you seen what the lats look like but they originate at your iliac crest(as well as connect to and give lots of support to the spine). which is your core. by using close grip pull ups the entire lat area is in the range of motion and being worked reguardless if you work it fast or slow.



yes you are a turd.

Here you can check out the lats and its actions on the arm by clicking the blue words on the right under actions
http://www.getbodysmart.com/ap/muscularsystem/armmuscles/posteriormuscles/latissimus/tutorial.html

The core muscles in the back are the minor stabilising muscles, for instance the rhomboids. To experience your core strength try taking as long as possibly to execute a single pullup or pushup, ideally around 60secs or more (if you can). The stabilising muscles will be forced to kick in to assist the major muscles.

When it comes to punching these core muscles have little or no effect, they are a lot more useful in clinching and grappling.

For punching you need to generate explosive power in the fast twitch response of your major muscles and those all need to work together. For boxing inverted rows are more important than pull ups when it comes to working the lats. There are two reasons for this, firstly because the inverted row better correlates to the operation of the lats whilst punching and secondly because they are easier to perform explosively than pull ups.

For punching you need to generate explosive power in the fast twitch response of your major muscles and those all need to work together. For boxing inverted rows are more important than pull ups when it comes to working the lats. There are two reasons for this, firstly because the inverted row better correlates to the operation of the lats whilst punching and secondly because they are easier to perform explosively than pull ups.


also with wide grip its easier to do the pull up to your chest or abs which uses your back more then your arms once you get use to doing this wide grip its just as easy to do it close grip maintaining the use of the back along with a much greater range of motion.


and once you get used to them you can swing your legs up as you go horizontal and do them quite explosively while using leverage from your legs to work your core and make the negative more eccentrict.

I have broad shoulders and I think I hit alright and such. I use my torso a lot to get that rotation.

Power comes from your core (Hips, Legs, Midsection)

A Herculean lat spread and broad shoulders won't make you punch any harder

That's a lie. Look at some of the hardest hitters ever. Tyson, Shavers, Frazier, Foreman.

If anyone would like to experience exactly which muscles they use to punch and in what proportion, then here's how to go about it.

Firstly cease all weights, calisthenics, and bag work for two weeks.

Then go and find the heaviest heavy bag you can and beat the **** out of it for 10 rounds. Hit it as hard as you can for as long as you can. Throw every punch in your book.

Then wait till the next morning or that day after that, and it should become fairly obvious from the pain which muscles are being used.

If you want to get really scientific, then just throw one type of punch at the bag and you can find out which muscles you are using to throw that punch.

Also due to the pain experienced in the subsequent days it will also become apparent that the heavy bag is probably the single best way to build the muscles you need for punching. It it wasn't helping improve your punching physique then it wouldn't hurt now would it?

If anyone would like to experience exactly which muscles they use to punch and in what proportion, then here's how to go about it.

Firstly cease all weights, calisthenics, and bag work for two weeks.

Then go and find the heaviest heavy bag you can and beat the **** out of it for 10 rounds. Hit it as hard as you can for as long as you can. Throw every punch in your book.

Then wait till the next morning or that day after that, and it should become fairly obvious from the pain which muscles are being used.

If you want to get really scientific, then just throw one type of punch at the bag and you can find out which muscles you are using to throw that punch.

Also due to the pain experienced in the subsequent days it will also become apparent that the heavy bag is probably the single best way to build the muscles you need for punching. It it wasn't helping improve your punching physique then it wouldn't hurt now would it?

This post is retarded.

1) please dont use the word 'scientific'. this 'experiment' has nothing scientific about it

2) the muscles you use most in punching are your core (abs, hips, back).. and yet only your shoulders will hurt the next day

3) yes, I would agree that the best way to improve your punch would be to hit the heavy bag. however, you can make extra gains by using weights.. they are just no substitute for technique