Now this is where things get interesting. Everytime a top fighter loses, all these media guys bump the opponent way up. Do you remember Tarver going into the top 5 and some places even higher like 3 or 2? Now where will the media and fans put Hatton after beating a guy who everyone had top 5, most had top 3, and some had #1? I think they wont give Hatton his respect.

Roy Jones looked completely washed up but no one was willing to admit it and they said that Tarver beat the best. Now Tszyu didnt looked washed up but watch how they try to make every excuse for him and thats why they wont move Hatton high.

Here is my list

1)Hopkins
2)Mayweather
3)Wright
4)Chico
5)Hatton
6)Castillo
7)R. Marquez
8)Zab
9)Morales
10)Toney
11)Ouma
12)MAB/Pac

get real mate........way too early.......you don't get pound for pound for one win..........

you need to accumulate many wins against top quality opposition.....so don't get too carried away with ONE win.......

fighting outside of his bastion will help his ratings too.

get real mate........way too early.......you don't get pound for pound for one win..........

you need to accumulate many wins against top quality opposition.....so don't get too carried away with ONE win.......

fighting outside of his bastion will help his ratings too.
Thats what you say but alot of people say that if you beat a top guy then you should get a top ranking. He deserves to be on until he loses. Even if it's just for 1 fight. You can argue how high but he has to be on it

POUND 4 POUND (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/4181323.stm)

get real mate........way too early.......you don't get pound for pound for one win..........

you need to accumulate many wins against top quality opposition.....so don't get too carried away with ONE win.......

fighting outside of his bastion will help his ratings too.
Thats what you say but alot of people say that if you beat a top guy then you should get a top ranking. He deserves to be on until he loses. Even if it's just for 1 fight. You can argue how high but he has to be on it

Thats what you say but alot of people say that if you beat a top guy then you should get a top ranking. He deserves to be on until he loses. Even if it's just for 1 fight. You can argue how high but he has to be on it
ranking yes, but pound for pound is different.......u know that.

like i said, p4p is based on many fights against top quality opposition.....that's why kostya was up there because he fought the other champs and beat them, and also fought all the top contenders....

ranking yes, but pound for pound is different.......u know that.

like i said, p4p is based on many fights against top quality opposition.....that's why kostya was up there because he fought the other champs and beat them, and also fought all the top contenders....
When I said ranking I was talking of pound for pound. How did Tarver get there then? If you beat a top guy then you should be there because other top guys couldnt. That way if he wins his next fight then you can say thats why he's pound for pound and if he loses then you can take him off. He deserves to be there, even if only for 1 fight

When I said ranking I was talking of pound for pound. How did Tarver get there then? If you beat a top guy then you should be there because other top guys couldnt. That way if he wins his next fight then you can say thats why he's pound for pound and if he loses then you can take him off. He deserves to be there, even if only for 1 fight
i beg to differ bro...totally. it just doesn't make sense.....

if hatton had fought top ranked opponents before tszyu, then maybe he would have a case, but this was his first real top ranked opponent.....that;s why cotto isn't even on the p4p rankings yet...

scott harrison is because he has fought many top ranked opponents.

Here is my list

1)Hopkins
2)Mayweather
3)Wright
4)Chico
5)Hatton
6)Castillo
7)R. Marquez
8)Zab
9)Morales
10)Toney
11)Ouma
12)MAB/Pac

Hatton deserves respect,damn i havent seen the fight yet,but if the beating was as everyone says it was, then Im tempted to put him in Tszyus place,whats his record now? like 39-0?I stilld ont know about wright tho,maybe your judging him his talent,but the only big win that has him up there is Trinidad,toney dont deserve to be 10 either, recent event havent been to his favor,lets say the win over ruiz was legit(i actually believe it was too) its not like you had ruiz up there,so why the rank?

1)Hopkins(yeah yeah)
2)Mayweather(of course)
3)Chico(Dudes been woopin ass all over the place)
4)Hatton(his win over a big name was more impressive)
5)Wright(I ususally hate on Twinky,but hes had his accomplishments)
6)Morales(you really need to move this guy up,at least above castillo)
7)R. Marquez(He's a pretty bad mofo)
8)Castillo(Okay he earned it,but whats his claim to fame?Losing against corrales)
9)Zab(well he has the belts...)
10)MAB/Pac(Hurry up and rematch so i can drop one of you)
-----the list is cut off at this point-----
But if anything Ouma and THEN toney,after not before.

and i dropped Tsyu too,maybe he dosent deserve to be dropped,but i consider him retired at this point,he still has his legacy tho,but thats not what this is about.

get real mate........way too early.......you don't get pound for pound for one win..........

you need to accumulate many wins against top quality opposition.....so don't get too carried away with ONE win.......

fighting outside of his bastion will help his ratings too.

Hopkins is most people's number 1 of one win, beating Tito was the only serious challenge he's ever won(unless you count blow up, diving DLH).

Tszyu was my number 2 P4P fighter, so Hatton gotta make top 10 now.

the list aint very good. How the heck did Barrera and Pac get on #10 and Castillo way the **** ahead?

Now this is where things get interesting. Everytime a top fighter loses, all these media guys bump the opponent way up. Do you remember Tarver going into the top 5 and some places even higher like 3 or 2? Now where will the media and fans put Hatton after beating a guy who everyone had top 5, most had top 3, and some had #1? I think they wont give Hatton his respect.

Roy Jones looked completely washed up but no one was willing to admit it and they said that Tarver beat the best. Now Tszyu didnt looked washed up but watch how they try to make every excuse for him and thats why they wont move Hatton high.

Here is my list

1)Hopkins
2)Mayweather
3)Wright
4)Chico
5)Hatton
6)Castillo
7)R. Marquez
8)Zab
9)Morales
10)Toney
11)Ouma
12)MAB/Pac

I'd keep Hatton wherever he was before last night but in the interest of objectivity ... slide Toney to the end just behind Hatton.

hatton's record is padded except for the win over tszyu one win does not elavate you to the p4p list this guy won't even leave manchester and never will..........this is the equivelent of boxers in the u.s not fighting out of their hometown ...

i wonder if cotto beat tzyu less convincingly than hatton where you amrericans would rank him!! probably around 4 or 5...... yet you are sceptical to give hatton his props, typical!

i wonder if cotto beat tzyu less convincingly than hatton where you amrericans would rank him!! probably around 4 or 5...... yet you are sceptical to give hatton his props, typical!
Typical? Despite his win I just don't think he's all that. He's a tough kid and comes prepared but in terms of punching power, accuracy and all I just don't think he's better than several guys.

I do give him credit for his poise and ring generalship but only because of the home cookin ... he won't be allowed all that rough house ****, foulling and the like anywhere else but in England. He shouldn't be allowed to do it there, either. It's a foul! Against the rules. He should have been docked a point for that flagrant blow to Tszyu's balls. He lead with his head all night and committed several other fouls, nearly as flagrant as hte ball shot.

Poise and ring generalship, let's see if he has any outside of England.

kostay also hit low one 2 occasions

and how many america fight outside of america???!!!

also about the rough fight style ....
for ****s sake this is boxing not a tickling contest boxers these days need to man up there in a fight not at the movies

kostay also hit low one 2 occasions

and how many america fight outside of america???!!!

also about the rough fight style ....
for ****s sake this is boxing not a tickling contest boxers these days need to man up there in a fight not at the movies
Whatever man. I don't really give a damn. They coulda had a ****en knife fight for all I care.

Ranking Hatton ahead of Morales is the stupidest **** I have ever seen on a boxing forum.

Ranking Hatton ahead of Morales is the stupidest **** I have ever seen on a boxing forum.
for god's sake, how can you rank him from one fight................let him score another big win or two and then he's in there.........was buster douglas put in there....or how about danny williams? or corey sander for blasting W Klit, or Brewster for doing the same...it doesn't go that way....

Hatton deserves number 5 in my opinion, but probably no higher. You at least have to consider that Tszyu might not have been the BEST version of himself. However, he still looked very good and coming off a blowout victory of Mitchell would many thought would beat Tszyu. Hatton has owned a lot of fringe contenders, and then beat Tszyu. This is good enough for top 5, but not top 3 (yet).

Also, why not have Hatton over Morales. Hatton weighed 147 on fight night whereas Morales weighes 141, 6 lbs difference. You don't think if Hatton was naturally 6 lbs smaller that he could beat Morales? I do.

Hatton would run over Morales IF he could get down to 140. One thing he showed me is, HE'S STRONG! He was stronger than Tszyu when they tussled.

for god's sake, how can you rank him from one fight................let him score another big win or two and then he's in there.........was buster douglas put in there....or how about danny williams? or corey sander for blasting W Klit, or Brewster for doing the same...it doesn't go that way....

where would you put Taylor (P4P rank) if Taylor happens to beat B-Hop convincingly?

Ok. So Hatton has beat guys this caliber:

Pacquiao
Jesus Chavez
Guty Espadas
Pauly Ayala
In Jin Chi
Marco Antonio Barrera
Kevin Kelley
Wayne Mcgullough
Poison Jones.............and by knockout nonetheless
J.C. Ramirez
Daniel Zaragoza

I think fuking not. Like I said: Ranking Hatton ahead of Morales is a sign of Down Syndrome.

Typical? Despite his win I just don't think he's all that. He's a tough kid and comes prepared but in terms of punching power, accuracy and all I just don't think he's better than several guys.

I do give him credit for his poise and ring generalship but only because of the home cookin ... he won't be allowed all that rough house ****, foulling and the like anywhere else but in England. He shouldn't be allowed to do it there, either. It's a foul! Against the rules. He should have been docked a point for that flagrant blow to Tszyu's balls. He lead with his head all night and committed several other fouls, nearly as flagrant as hte ball shot.

Poise and ring generalship, let's see if he has any outside of England.
who is rated number 1 p4p who has been a very dirty fighter at times in his career. Mike tyson was very dirty also, so what are you talking about. It seems that american fighters that do anything to win a fight including being dirty get respect but when a non american does it it gets scrutinised.

so ****ing bitter

where would you put Taylor (P4P rank) if Taylor happens to beat B-Hop convincingly?
very good point!!

Hatton deserves respect,damn i havent seen the fight yet,but if the beating was as everyone says it was, then Im tempted to put him in Tszyus place,whats his record now? like 39-0?I stilld ont know about wright tho,maybe your judging him his talent,but the only big win that has him up there is Trinidad,toney dont deserve to be 10 either, recent event havent been to his favor,lets say the win over ruiz was legit(i actually believe it was too) its not like you had ruiz up there,so why the rank?

1)Hopkins(yeah yeah)
2)Mayweather(of course)
3)Chico(Dudes been woopin ass all over the place)
4)Hatton(his win over a big name was more impressive)
5)Wright(I ususally hate on Twinky,but hes had his accomplishments)
6)Morales(you really need to move this guy up,at least above castillo)
7)R. Marquez(He's a pretty bad mofo)
8)Castillo(Okay he earned it,but whats his claim to fame?Losing against corrales)
9)Zab(well he has the belts...)
10)MAB/Pac(Hurry up and rematch so i can drop one of you)
-----the list is cut off at this point-----
But if anything Ouma and THEN toney,after not before.

and i dropped Tsyu too,maybe he dosent deserve to be dropped,but i consider him retired at this point,he still has his legacy tho,but thats not what this is about.
I think this list is more accurate, I still think Winky is not top 5. When JMM beats Barrera and Pac again he will be top 5.

Why Is Hatton Top 10? He Beat 1 Great Champ That Just Didnt Have It.

Hatton has got to make it to the top 10 after beating Zoo. In my list he should be no greater than 8. He has a lot to prove and an undefeated record is not really indicative of p4p greatness.

Why Is Hatton Top 10? He Beat 1 Great Champ That Just Didnt Have It.
Same goes for Pac, and Winky didnt even beat a champ. :confused:
He beat a guy who beat a smaller guy and had come off 2 years of nothing.

And btw, Tszyu is not just a great champ. He could well be an all-time great.

i don't think you could say hatton is top 5 but somewhere from 8-12 i mreckon

Now this is where things get interesting. Everytime a top fighter loses, all these media guys bump the opponent way up. Do you remember Tarver going into the top 5 and some places even higher like 3 or 2? Now where will the media and fans put Hatton after beating a guy who everyone had top 5, most had top 3, and some had #1? I think they wont give Hatton his respect.

Roy Jones looked completely washed up but no one was willing to admit it and they said that Tarver beat the best. Now Tszyu didnt looked washed up but watch how they try to make every excuse for him and thats why they wont move Hatton high.

Here is my list

1)Hopkins
2)Mayweather
3)Wright
4)Chico
5)Hatton
6)Castillo
7)R. Marquez
8)Zab
9)Morales
10)Toney
11)Ouma
12)MAB/Pac


all i know is either you have to have hatton in the p4p list or soemthing becuase he completely dropped tszyu off and he was top 3 in most p4p list..IF you cant put a fighter on for beating the best in the division then why should you drop a fighter off for one fight

Same goes for Pac, and Winky didnt even beat a champ. :confused:
He beat a guy who beat a smaller guy and had come off 2 years of nothing.
I 100% AGREE WITH YOU, TO BE IN THE TOP U HAVE TO BEAT TOP NOTCH COMPETITON THREW OUT UR CAREER. IF U BEAT 1 GREAT FIGHTER BEAT ANOTHER AND KEEP PROVING TO EVERY1 THAT YOUR TOP TEN MATERIAL :boxing:

Boxers/fighters take too long in between fights to keep this P4P myth accurate. Months, sometimes years (PBF) before they fight again. I wish there was a rule 4 fights per year or something. Until then just wait until PBF gets beat everyone will throw Gatti in the #2 spot or vice versa. Then when B-Hop gets rocked by Taylor will Taylor be #1? Who cares mayun. Do any of these boxers care about us? Do they pay your rent? I doubt it so enjoy your weekend...its not too later to go to the strip club guys...later~!

Here's the real argument. Is P4P based on your last performance or on your entire body of work (your whole career)? Ranking Hatton P4P would be like ranking a minor league pitcher that shut out the New York Yankees in a 1 game series in his first game in the majors. It just doesn't make sense. That pitcher may have the potential to be great but you can't tell if he's great based on one performance. One significant win and thirty-something minor wins is not enough to rank Hatton top 10 P4P. Look at the accomplishments of everyone ranked in the top 10 P4P by this website. Now compare their accomplishments to Hatton's. He's not in their league yet. You have to beat multiple very good to great fighters to be in the P4P rankings. Otherwise its just a list based on who's last fight was the best. You may think that Hatton is the best fighter right now and you may be right but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have to PROVE that he is the best fighter. :boxing:

Here is my list

1)Hopkins
2)Mayweather
3)Wright
4)Chico
5)Hatton
6)Castillo
7)R. Marquez
8)Zab
9)Morales
10)Toney
11)Ouma
12)MAB/Pac
Look at the other names on your list and ask yourself, did they make it to the list based soley on one big win?

You've got Hatton ahead of both Morales and Barerra! WTF is that? Has Hatton proven that much by beating Zoo?

where would you put Taylor (P4P rank) if Taylor happens to beat B-Hop convincingly?

I wouldn't rank him P4P. I would put him on top of his division but that's it. It takes time to be a top P4P fighter, which is why a lot of fighters are close to retiring by the time they are on top or near the top.

P4P lists are always interesting.

I like the "current" lists to be separate from the "all time".

Hatton has no place on either, not yet anyway. Looks like he might though, if he can actually get the big fights and show what he can do.

***** pleez

I give him the 10 spot. I had Tszyu at 3 and he convincingly beat Tszyu and made him retire on his stool so he deserve that spot at least.

1. Hopkins (undefeated in like 12 years with 20 defenses)
2. Mayweather (simply the best fighter on the planet in my opinion)
3. Morales (living legend even though he can't seem to get past Barrera)
4. Wright (underrated for many years had him at 6 before beating Tito)
5. Corrales (earned his spot the hard way)
6. Castillo (up until the Corrales fight had an impressive run)
7. Tszyu (still a great champion who lost to a hungry young fighter)
8. Barrera (has had a great career)
9. R Marquez (has been on a good run lately)
10. Hatton (beating Tszyu convincingly deserves something)

I'd say Hatton belongs in the top 7 guys for sure.


Hopkins
Mayweather
Wright
Morales
Corrales
Hatton
R. Marquez
Castillo
Barrera
Judah

I see Hatton at #10, maybe. I'm still not convinced he's anything special after last night. It was a dirty, messy fight that the ref didn't control. It didn't do much to raise Hatton's rep internationally, in my eyes anyway.
Anyone that has Hatton ahead of Morales is brain damaged. Morales consistently sought out and fought the top guys in his division and has beaten every single one of them. Practically all of his fights are outside of Mexico in the States.
Hatton's had 40 fights and is still hiding in Manchester.
Let's see Hatton fight one of the top guys in his division outside of England and we'll see what he's really got. I'd like to see him go to the fight capital of the world Las Vegas and see if he can hang with the big boys on neutral turf.
Until then #10, at best.

this is my top 20 fighters

1. PBF
2. HOPkins
3. Winky
4. MAB
5. EM
6. ZAB
7. JLC
8. CHICO
9. PACMAN
10.Glen Johnson
10(a)cory spinks


11. antonio tarver
11.(a) JMM
12. ricky hatton
13. rafeal marquez
14. joel casamayor
15. daniel santos
16. Kassim ouma
17. antonio margarito
18. jean marc momeck

The P4P list is just BS....But the 140 pounds rankings should look like this:

1. Hatton
2. Harris
3. Cotto
4. Gatti
5. Floyd

The P4P list is just BS....But the 140 pounds rankings should look like this:

1. Hatton
2. Harris
3. Cotto
4. Gatti
5. Floyd

I like your list man

and you look like Miguel Cotto......no joke

lol...i don't look like Cotto..

this is my top 20 fighters

1. PBF
2. HOPkins
3. Winky
4. MAB
5. EM
6. ZAB
7. JLC
8. CHICO
9. PACMAN
10.Glen Johnson
10(a)cory spinks


11. antonio tarver
11.(a) JMM
12. ricky hatton
13. rafeal marquez
14. joel casamayor
15. daniel santos
16. Kassim ouma
17. antonio margarito
18. jean marc momeck


How is:

Santos in the top 20? (a no-contest and sketchy win with Margarito don't merit being a top 20 fighter. The only other game guy he fought was Kofi Jantuah and Kofi blasted out Santos in 3 rounds...at least put him under Margarito for goodness sake)

Barrera over Morales? (Morales just convincingly beat the guy that dominated and KOed Barrera. Marco has beaten Erik twice but both were close and I don't think Morales should be lower simply because he's lost to MAB twice. Barreras lost to Jones 2x also...and Morales has done more with his career.)

JLC above Corrales? (Corrales just KOed Castillo. Two other impressive wins behind it and moving up to his third weight class soon should certainly put him above Castillo. Castillo has lost to lesser opponents whereas Corrales has only lost to elite fighters.)

I also don't agree with Pac above R. Marquez, and Cory Spinks shouldn't still be in the top 10-12 guys.

Just my humble opinions. Also get ready to click that donate button and hand over 20 mil come tommorow. :D

lol...i don't look like Cotto..

a lil bit lol

lol...i don't look like Cotto..

a lil bit lol

How is:

Santos in the top 20? (a no-contest and sketchy win with Margarito don't merit being a top 20 fighter. The only other game guy he fought was Kofi Jantuah and Kofi blasted out Santos in 3 rounds...at least put him under Margarito for goodness sake)

Barrera over Morales? (Morales just convincingly beat the guy that dominated and KOed Barrera. Marco has beaten Erik twice but both were close and I don't think Morales should be lower simply because he's lost to MAB twice. Barreras lost to Jones 2x also...and Morales has done more with his career.)

JLC above Corrales? (Corrales just KOed Castillo. Two other impressive wins behind it and moving up to his third weight class soon should certainly put him above Castillo. Castillo has lost to lesser opponents whereas Corrales has only lost to elite fighters.)

I also don't agree with Pac above R. Marquez, and Cory Spinks shouldn't still be in the top 10-12 guys.

Just my humble opinions. Also get ready to click that donate button and hand over 20 mil come tommorow. :D
santos is a solid fighter and is so under rated. margartio looked awsome against cintron but in his fight with santos not so much. santos was leading at the time of the stoppage on two of the three scorecards. santos beat margarito fair and square.

mab is above morales cause he won there last fight and is 2-1 against him. i cant rate morales higher than mab for the simple fact that the two have fought three times and marco walked out of the ring twice with the victory.

jlc imo is the better fighter and was winning that fight until chico landed a miracle bomb that staggered jlc. jlc also faired much better against pbf, chico was blown out and arguably jlc beat pbf.

cory spinks is still a very good fighter, i believe he will be the best at 154 and will prove to everbody he isnt done. so he lost to zab judah that aint a knock on spinks cause when judah is on imo only pbf's skills are superior.

santos is a solid fighter and is so under rated. margartio looked awsome against cintron but in his fight with santos not so much. santos was leading at the time of the stoppage on two of the three scorecards. santos beat margarito fair and square.

mab is above morales cause he won there last fight and is 2-1 against him. i cant rate morales higher than mab for the simple fact that the two have fought three times and marco walked out of the ring twice with the victory.

jlc imo is the better fighter and was winning that fight until chico landed a miracle bomb that staggered jlc. jlc also faired much better against pbf, chico was blown out and arguably jlc beat pbf.

cory spinks is still a very good fighter, i believe he will be the best at 154 and will prove to everbody he isnt done. so he lost to zab judah that aint a knock on spinks cause when judah is on imo only pbf's skills are superior.



Then:

Santos is a top 20 fighter just because of his one technical decision over Margarito? I don't buy it...

Barrera is above Morales simply because of the fact that he's beaten him twice? By this logic (bear with me), a fighter can lose a fair amount and be dominated by lesser fighters, but then closely beat an elite guy and then be ranked higher than that guy they closely beat twice? I don't buy that either. Morales has only CLOSELY lost to ONE ELITE fighter 2 times in his entire career and has beaten better competition outside of that. He's about to move up to his 4th weight class and will probably win a title there because Corrales is moving up. He's never been knocked out or dominated ever but Barrera has and has recently. I think Barrera should be 2-3 slots behind Morales p4p.

Yes maybe JLC is the better fighter but he LOST and was KOed. Thats like saying, "well the Spurs were better than the Lakers last year so they should be regarded as the better team then." That doesn't work though because they lost and weren't better. Again, Corrales has only ever lost to Mayweather and Casamayor, JLC has lost to Mayweather, Corrales, Soto, Jauregui x2, etc. In no case should you ever be able to lose and get KOed by someone and still be higher on a p4p list IMO, unless it was a fluke KO.

Spinks is still a good fighter I agree with you, but again he lost and was KOed. His other wins previous to that loss haven't been all that impressive and he also has losses to Piccirillo and someone else who I cannnot recall. He doesn't deserve to be there over a Rafa Marquez or a Juan Manuel Marquez. I also think that a fighter like Kassim Ouma will really do a number on Spinks. Cory has nothing for Ouma. A slickster like Spinks wouldn't do very well against an extremely skilled pressure fighter like Ouma IMO. Ouma has great handspeed and is pretty slick himself. He'd eat Cory up after wearing him down with his 100 punches per round...

Then:

Santos is a top 20 fighter just because of his one technical decision over Margarito? I don't buy it...

Barrera is above Morales simply because of the fact that he's beaten him twice? By this logic (bear with me), a fighter can lose a fair amount and be dominated by lesser fighters, but then closely beat an elite guy and then be ranked higher than that guy they closely beat twice? I don't buy that either. Morales has only CLOSELY lost to ONE ELITE fighter 2 times in his entire career and has beaten better competition outside of that. He's about to move up to his 4th weight class and will probably win a title there because Corrales is moving up. He's never been knocked out or dominated ever but Barrera has and has recently. I think Barrera should be 2-3 slots behind Morales p4p.

Yes maybe JLC is the better fighter but he LOST and was KOed. Thats like saying, "well the Spurs were better than the Lakers last year so they should be regarded as the better team then." That doesn't work though because they lost and weren't better. Again, Corrales has only ever lost to Mayweather and Casamayor, JLC has lost to Mayweather, Corrales, Soto, Jauregui x2, etc. In no case should you ever be able to lose and get KOed by someone and still be higher on a p4p list IMO, unless it was a fluke KO.

Spinks is still a good fighter I agree with you, but again he lost and was KOed. His other wins previous to that loss haven't been all that impressive and he also has losses to Piccirillo and someone else who I cannnot recall. He doesn't deserve to be there over a Rafa Marquez or a Juan Manuel Marquez. I also think that a fighter like Kassim Ouma will really do a number on Spinks. Cory has nothing for Ouma. A slickster like Spinks wouldn't do very well against an extremely skilled pressure fighter like Ouma IMO. Ouma has great handspeed and is pretty slick himself. He'd eat Cory up after wearing him down with his 100 punches per round...
mab recently beat morales PERIOD, why would he be ranked beneath a fighter he recently defeated. i know you'll say "why is pac rated below mab" well because pac lost his last fight and i dont know how he will come back from that. OG you overlook the fact that Mab has beaten morales twice, doesnt that give you an impression as to who is the better fighter. i mean can you ask for better evidence than a head to head record as to see who is the better fighter?

and yes beating margarito does make you a top 20 fighter even if it is by a tech decision.

jlc got stunned by chico by a suprise bomb that chico pulled off after being on the canvas twice and was clearly losing the fight. thats like saying hasim rahman was better than lennox lewis, lewis was clearly winning that fight and was caught by a huge shot from rahman. did you favor rahman in the rematch because he was better than lewis? say yes and you are a liar, everybody knew that lewis was the better fighter. jlc is the better fighter P4P

ouma didnt look great in his last fight and i dont believe he was anywhere near 100 punches per round in that snooze fest. even if ouma did pressure spinks i would think that spinks would counter well just like he did to another "pressure fighter" in ricardo mayorga. remember spinks beat judah who is far and away better than ouma, i dont what would make you favor ouma in a fight with spinks.

mab recently beat morales PERIOD, why would he be ranked beneath a fighter he recently defeated. i know you'll say "why is pac rated below mab" well because pac lost his last fight and i dont know how he will come back from that. OG you overlook the fact that Mab has beaten morales twice, doesnt that give you an impression as to who is the better fighter. i mean can you ask for better evidence than a head to head record as to see who is the better fighter?

and yes beating margarito does make you a top 20 fighter even if it is by a tech decision.

jlc got stunned by chico by a suprise bomb that chico pulled off after being on the canvas twice and was clearly losing the fight. thats like saying hasim rahman was better than lennox lewis, lewis was clearly winning that fight and was caught by a huge shot from rahman. did you favor rahman in the rematch because he was better than lewis? say yes and you are a liar, everybody knew that lewis was the better fighter. jlc is the better fighter P4P

ouma didnt look great in his last fight and i dont believe he was anywhere near 100 punches per round in that snooze fest. even if ouma did pressure spinks i would think that spinks would counter well just like he did to another "pressure fighter" in ricardo mayorga. remember spinks beat judah who is far and away better than ouma, i dont what would make you favor ouma in a fight with spinks.


Fix, YOU need to get over this head 2 head thing. Morales has beaten Zaragoza, McCullough, Barrera at 122; Kelley, Chi, Ayala at 126; and Chavez, Hernandez and Pacquiao at 130. He has dominated the guy that kicked Barreras ass twice, and convincingly beat maybe the most dangerous fighter in any weight class (who also dominated Barrera and KOed him). Erik's career outside of this head to head business has been better than Marco's hands down. Morales only takes on top guys (no Fana's and old Ayala's) and is going to make history when he wins a 4th world title at 135. Erik's last 5 fights he's 4-1 with only 1 close MD loss to Barrera. Barrera is also 4-1 but his level of competition in significantly worse than Morales', and he was dominated and KOed in that 1 loss. If this info doesn't change your mind then nothing will though, just hold on to that "head 2 head" argument for dear life. :D

So if some bum off the street with a somewhat padded record who got blasted out by Kofi Jantuah in 3 rounds came in and beat Maragarito next week by way of technical decision they'd be a top 20 fighter? That's basically what you're saying because Santos hasn't done **** outside of that one awful fight with AM and his win over the old ass, overrated Yory-Boy Campas.

That Lewis/Rahman argument is way off and doesnt apply here. We're talking about 2 elite fighters here...not 1 big time champion and 1 severe underdog with a good right hand. Castillo/Corrales was pretty damned even and these guys were the 2 big dogs in their division. This isn't a case where Castillo is just so much better than Corrales that everyone can still say that Castillo's better after he lost and was KOed like it was some lucky punch fluke. Corrales has beaten Casamayor, Freitas, and now JLC right in a row. JLC had a nice run going before the loss, but a loss is a loss and you should still be bumped down below the other p4p guy that beat you. You're also contradicting yourself with the whole head to head argument here. By your Barrera/Morales logic, Corrales SHOULD in fact be ranked higher than Castillo.

Don't compare Ouma to Mayorga please. Ouma ain't some mindless slugger who just comes and throws bombs and intimidates his opponents. Ouma has fast hands, has maybe THE highest workrate in the game right now, is one of the 3-4 best in-fighters in the game, has a great chin, throws punches in combination from all angles behind the jab, and is a pretty good defensive fighter himself. His "snoozefest" win over a good fighter in Kofi Jantuah was such a "snoozefest" because he shut out and thoroughly dominated him (by the way, what does that say about your top 20 fighter in Santos who was blasted out by Jantuah in 3 rounds?) Cory isn't active enough to rack up points on Ouma, he doesn't have the power to keep Ouma off of him, and Ouma has more than enough stamina to hang with Cory for the full 12. Kassim would slaughter Spinks at this stage of the game.

Now this is where things get interesting. Everytime a top fighter loses, all these media guys bump the opponent way up. Do you remember Tarver going into the top 5 and some places even higher like 3 or 2? Now where will the media and fans put Hatton after beating a guy who everyone had top 5, most had top 3, and some had #1? I think they wont give Hatton his respect.

Roy Jones looked completely washed up but no one was willing to admit it and they said that Tarver beat the best. Now Tszyu didnt looked washed up but watch how they try to make every excuse for him and thats why they wont move Hatton high.

Here is my list

1)Hopkins
2)Mayweather
3)Wright
4)Chico
5)Hatton
6)Castillo
7)R. Marquez
8)Zab
9)Morales
10)Toney
11)Ouma
12)MAB/Pac


i know what you mean... my take is that tszyu got out brawled with some help from hattons man pariss.tszyu hasn't fought a brawler in years. thought him and his corner could neutralize hattons one dimentional ways but i was wrong. hatton shouldnt be moved up in pfp rateing.mayorga wasnt after he fought forrest.now if he wins a cleaner fight against a corrales or castillo i'll reconsider.

hatotn roughted zoo up and fruistateed him. he was relentless and did what he nedded to win.

you dont become p4p with one big fight.

If hatotn took on and beat another big name (corales / gatti / cotto / mayweather) and depending on who it was and won, then we can definitely talk p4p.

but not yet.


He will be tho, blokes a ****ing class act in and outside the ring.

hatotn roughted zoo up and fruistateed him. he was relentless and did what he nedded to win.

you dont become p4p with one big fight.

If hatotn took on and beat another big name (corales / gatti / cotto / mayweather) and depending on who it was and won, then we can definitely talk p4p.

but not yet.


He will be tho, blokes a ****ing class act in and outside the ring.


but this question comes back again.




Where would you put Taylor (p4p rank) if he happens to beat B-Hop convincingly?

same rule applies i dont.
but if he beat winky after that then i would.

same rule applies i dont.
but if he beat winky after that then i would.

you woulnt put Taylor in the P4P list??? You crazy!

why is that crazy, tarver was in the p4p list cos he beat roy jones by your reckoning then hatton must be p4p now then.

niether hatotn nor taylor should be ranked p4p based on one world class win.

whats crazy about that.

i don't think you could say hatton is top 5 but somewhere from 8-12 i mreckon

I think that's pretty accurate as well.

why is that crazy, tarver was in the p4p list cos he beat roy jones by your reckoning then hatton must be p4p now then.

niether hatotn nor taylor should be ranked p4p based on one world class win.

whats crazy about that.


its crazy becuz by your logic..........PAC shoulnt have been on P4P list afta beatin Barrera? Thats very crazy to me!!!!!!

Fix, YOU need to get over this head 2 head thing. Morales has beaten Zaragoza, McCullough, Barrera at 122; Kelley, Chi, Ayala at 126; and Chavez, Hernandez and Pacquiao at 130. He has dominated the guy that kicked Barreras ass twice, and convincingly beat maybe the most dangerous fighter in any weight class (who also dominated Barrera and KOed him). Erik's career outside of this head to head business has been better than Marco's hands down. Morales only takes on top guys (no Fana's and old Ayala's) and is going to make history when he wins a 4th world title at 135. Erik's last 5 fights he's 4-1 with only 1 close MD loss to Barrera. Barrera is also 4-1 but his level of competition in significantly worse than Morales', and he was dominated and KOed in that 1 loss. If this info doesn't change your mind then nothing will though, just hold on to that "head 2 head" argument for dear life. :D

So if some bum off the street with a somewhat padded record who got blasted out by Kofi Jantuah in 3 rounds came in and beat Maragarito next week by way of technical decision they'd be a top 20 fighter? That's basically what you're saying because Santos hasn't done **** outside of that one awful fight with AM and his win over the old ass, overrated Yory-Boy Campas.

That Lewis/Rahman argument is way off and doesnt apply here. We're talking about 2 elite fighters here...not 1 big time champion and 1 severe underdog with a good right hand. Castillo/Corrales was pretty damned even and these guys were the 2 big dogs in their division. This isn't a case where Castillo is just so much better than Corrales that everyone can still say that Castillo's better after he lost and was KOed like it was some lucky punch fluke. Corrales has beaten Casamayor, Freitas, and now JLC right in a row. JLC had a nice run going before the loss, but a loss is a loss and you should still be bumped down below the other p4p guy that beat you. You're also contradicting yourself with the whole head to head argument here. By your Barrera/Morales logic, Corrales SHOULD in fact be ranked higher than Castillo.

Don't compare Ouma to Mayorga please. Ouma ain't some mindless slugger who just comes and throws bombs and intimidates his opponents. Ouma has fast hands, has maybe THE highest workrate in the game right now, is one of the 3-4 best in-fighters in the game, has a great chin, throws punches in combination from all angles behind the jab, and is a pretty good defensive fighter himself. His "snoozefest" win over a good fighter in Kofi Jantuah was such a "snoozefest" because he shut out and thoroughly dominated him (by the way, what does that say about your top 20 fighter in Santos who was blasted out by Jantuah in 3 rounds?) Cory isn't active enough to rack up points on Ouma, he doesn't have the power to keep Ouma off of him, and Ouma has more than enough stamina to hang with Cory for the full 12. Kassim would slaughter Spinks at this stage of the game.


you say castillo should be ranked below chico because he castillo lost their fight but you think mab should be rated below morales after defeating him.....twice. come on OG im talkin p4p who beats who not who had the better career. i could care less what happened years ago, imo p4p MAB beats morales RIGHT NOW.

Margarito is an elite fighter so yes beating him right now puts you in the top 20. besides fighters do improve OG, santos may not be the same fighter that was beaten by kofi. thats like saying glen johnsons wins over roy jones and antonio tarver mean nothing because glen johnson lost 9 times before that.

and i guess there is no way for me to prove that spinks is still an elite fighter and would have a very good chance of beating ouma. we'll have to wait to see if this fight happens for me to prove you wrong.


btw OG ive made room in my bank for that incoming 20 mill after the heat beat the pistons tonight

p4p is part "what have you done for me lately" and part career's accomplishments, as well as who would beat who if they weighed the same naturally.

1) Bernard Hopkins
2) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3) Winky Wright
4) Ricky Hatton
5) Zab Judah
6) Diego Corrales
7) Jose Luis Castillo
8) Marco Antonio Barerra
8a) Erik Morales
8c) Manny Pacquiao

That's it. That's ten guys. Rafael Marquez just missed the cut for me, as well as Kostya Tszyu.

I Have to give Ricky Hatton More credit, I would Love to see him against one of Mexicos elites fighters, I wonder if hell put on a Hamed(like Hamed V.Barrera) or be successful, PacMan thought Mexicos elites were easy by beating out Barrera and got exposed by Marquez and Morales,

I would love to see Hatton Vs Morales
Morales unanimousmous decision over Hatton

wut? hatton p4p? haha. funny. sure he beat KT but he's not even impressive for god's sake! If this is wrestling i might consider him.

you say castillo should be ranked below chico because he castillo lost their fight but you think mab should be rated below morales after defeating him.....twice. come on OG im talkin p4p who beats who not who had the better career. i could care less what happened years ago, imo p4p MAB beats morales RIGHT NOW.

Margarito is an elite fighter so yes beating him right now puts you in the top 20. besides fighters do improve OG, santos may not be the same fighter that was beaten by kofi. thats like saying glen johnsons wins over roy jones and antonio tarver mean nothing because glen johnson lost 9 times before that.

and i guess there is no way for me to prove that spinks is still an elite fighter and would have a very good chance of beating ouma. we'll have to wait to see if this fight happens for me to prove you wrong.


btw OG ive made room in my bank for that incoming 20 mill after the heat beat the pistons tonight



Then in that case lets put Rodney Jones in the top 20 fighters. I mean, he beat Margarito too and he sucks otherwise but hey why not? His record is similar to Santos' so I guess he's just as deserving right?

I could see you making a case for Barrera being higher than Morales if Morales had lost to other people than Barrera or was dominated and KOed by 2 other fighters. Fix, this "p4p Barrera would beat Morales so he should be higher" logic doesn't work because in that case you should have Manny Pacquiao above Barrera. I mean, he has had a good career too and just dominated and KOed Marco and probably would do so again so why should he be lower?

You're right Spinks would have nothing for Ouma. He'd be worn down and stopped late. And hey man, this ain't monkey business....the Pistons don't **** around in crunch time. Get ready to see the red white and blue in the Finals against your Spurs buddy because the Stons are going to get nasty on the HEat tonight.

Then in that case lets put Rodney Jones in the top 20 fighters. I mean, he beat Margarito too and he sucks otherwise but hey why not? His record is similar to Santos' so I guess he's just as deserving right?

I could see you making a case for Barrera being higher than Morales if Morales had lost to other people than Barrera or was dominated and KOed by 2 other fighters. Fix, this "p4p Barrera would beat Morales so he should be higher" logic doesn't work because in that case you should have Manny Pacquiao above Barrera. I mean, he has had a good career too and just dominated and KOed Marco and probably would do so again so why should he be lower?

You're right Spinks would have nothing for Ouma. He'd be worn down and stopped late. And hey man, this ain't monkey business....the Pistons don't **** around in crunch time. Get ready to see the red white and blue in the Finals against your Spurs buddy because the Stons are going to get nasty on the HEat tonight.
does rodney jones have a very recent win over antonio margarito? i dont think so...... santos like it or not beat a very good fighter in margarito and imo for that deserves a spot in the top 20 P4p.

the reason i dont have manny ahead of mab is because manny just lost a fight to morales whom mab has a fresh win over. a loss in the top 10 means you are dropping some spots. if pac beats mab again id be more than happy to rate pac ahead of mab.

btw put up your top 20, i would like to see because its all just opnion anyway

These are supposed to be pound4pound ranking after all, and Santos was quite bigger than Margarito in the ring. Also, Margarito went up in weight to fight him and still won the fight in many people's eyes.

These are supposed to be pound4pound ranking after all, and Santos was quite bigger than Margarito in the ring. Also, Margarito went up in weight to fight him and still won the fight in many people's eyes.
Very true he was robbed in Santos hometown.
If Margarito were to beat Judah would put him in the P4P? where would he rank?

hatton is definitely NOT a P4P. just watched hatton vs. Tszyu, throughout the fight hatton was rushing in with his head, locks up tszyu's arms repeatedly, he was making this fight a wrestling match rather than a boxing match. very very sloppy fight and i was very disappointed. of course, u can argue that this was hatton's "strategy" to wear tzyu down, but still, i wasn't impressed by hatton AT ALL. if the fight was in the u.s. or australia, ref. would've done something about hatton's dirty tactics. and the low blow in retaliation??? damn, that was definitely intentional and from the look of it, it was a devastating low blow. tszyu's low blow was arguable, u could call that legit. i give hatton credit for his stamina, relentlessness and ability to capitalize on older fighter who doesn't have as much steam as him. but skill-wise, he's not THAT impressive....

If anyone clicked that link on the first page, tell me this: "Welcome to the big time "Hitman" Hatton. The Manchester lad was fantastic in stopping IBF champion Tszyu in his own back yard." doesn't make it sound like Hatton took Tszyu out in Australia.

does rodney jones have a very recent win over antonio margarito? i dont think so...... santos like it or not beat a very good fighter in margarito and imo for that deserves a spot in the top 20 P4p.

the reason i dont have manny ahead of mab is because manny just lost a fight to morales whom mab has a fresh win over. a loss in the top 10 means you are dropping some spots. if pac beats mab again id be more than happy to rate pac ahead of mab.

btw put up your top 20, i would like to see because its all just opnion anyway


He beat him by TD. Technical decisions really say nothing about how good you are IMO. Hell, Julio Gonzales just beat Montell Griffin by TD and there were no real conclusions drawn from that fight. Margarito was on his way to a decision or knocking out Santos from what I saw.

I had Morales p4p #3 in the world before his CLOSE loss to Barrera. When he lost I dropped him down to about #6 or 7 because it was such a close fight. When he beat Pacquiao, I bumped him back up to #4 because he beat a p4p guy (#4-6 on most lists I saw at the time) who was widely considered to be one of the most dangerous guys in boxing and still is. Pacquiao was coming off a draw with Marquez in which he would have won if not for a scoring error, a blowout of a mediocre fighter, and the blowout KO of Barrera. Morales beat him and that moved him up to #4 in my book, ahead of Barrera.

Before Barrera fought Pacquiao, I had him very high up on the p4p charts (I dont remember exactly like #3) because of his wins over Morales and Hamed. He lost in such brutal, one-sided fashion however, and other fighters stock had risen so much that I moved him way down to around #10. Then he beat Morales again which moved him up a few slots because Morales is such a good fighter.

My top 20 looks like this:

1. Bernard Hopkins (until hes dethroned)
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr (he needs to do big things at 140)
3. Winky Wright (Mosely x2 and Trinidad shut-out)
4. Erik Morales (for every reason I explained above)
5. Diego Corrales (40-2, W Casa, Freitas, JLC...L PBF, Casa)
6. Rafael Marquez (impressive streak...W Johnson x2, Austin)
7. Marco Antonio Barrera (Win over Morales and great career)
8. Ricky Hatton (huge win over Tszyu, still undefeated)
9. Zab Judah (on top of his game, impressive KO of Cory Spinks)
10. Glen Johnson (W Tarver, RJJ, Woods, Harding all in a row)
11. Jose L. Castillo (close loss to Chico, great streak before)
12. Manny Pacquiao (close L to Morales, still very dangerous)
13. Juan Manuel Marquez (still big dog at 126, '99 was last loss)
14. Kostya Tszyu (seems to be at the end of his career/reign)
15. James Toney (hasn't lost in forever, i dont care bout roids)
16. Antonio Tarver (I thought he beat Johnson, still dangerous)
17. Kassim Ouma (going to rule 154, W Phillips, Candelo, Jantuah)
18. Antonio Margarito (W Lewis, Cintron...crap loss to Santos)
19. Joel Casamayor (i thought he beat JLC, only L's to top guys)
20. Cory Spinks (still a good fighter, Judah is a top dog now)

I'd have Toney higher but the whole roids ordeal and everyone here would ***** at me.

Judah and Johnson are interchangeable...Castillo is right there too.

Ouma would be higher but he still hasn't beaten an elite guy.

Ricky cracks my top 10 P4P with this win, but he needs to fight another top notch 140 pounder in the States before I will move him any higher. I don't care if the kid beats everyone he ever faces again, if they are all in Manchester he will never go higher on my list. I think the kid is being given an unfair advantage. Both mentally (all those fans rooting for you has to give you a super high) and physically (no way he gets away the hug and hit, deliberate low blow, and wrestling if the fight were fought here in the states). He has definite skills, heart, and a chin. If he would come to the states and get a couple impressive wins he could actually become one of the most popular fighters of our generation. I don't care if the kid is English or from Mars....if he can fight, he makes action fights, he has heart, and he's not a blubbering idiot (Judah, Toney, Mayweather) then he'll be one of my favs. Just stop babying the kid Warren, you got your belt and big payday.....now bring the kid to the land of milk and honey.

I can't think of Hatton as being one of the top 10 or 15 just yet, he did make look Tszyu pretty old, but I think of that fight as Hatton simply fighting the right guy at the right time. Tszyu was a hot fighter going into the match eventhough he had only fought three rounds in like two years and probably wasn't as sharp as we all thought he was.

i beg to differ bro...totally. it just doesn't make sense.....

if hatton had fought top ranked opponents before tszyu, then maybe he would have a case, but this was his first real top ranked opponent.....that;s why cotto isn't even on the p4p rankings yet...

scott harrison is because he has fought many top ranked opponents.

right on the mark moo. hattons style beat tszyu. not his power.now if he wins another one from corrales or castillo then i would reconsider.

i beg to differ bro...totally. it just doesn't make sense.....

if hatton had fought top ranked opponents before tszyu, then maybe he would have a case, but this was his first real top ranked opponent.....that;s why cotto isn't even on the p4p rankings yet...

scott harrison is because he has fought many top ranked opponents.

I understand your point but beating a top rank featherweight might only be as good as beating a top 20 fighter in the light welter division. With the exception of JMM and Chi(who Harrison hanst fought) the division isnt that strong anymore.

Fighters like Medina, Chacon, Polo and Brodie aint much better than Tackie, Phillips and Magee(i'm dont even think they are as good because Hattons opponents can all punch) and there defintely not as good as Tszyu.

He beat him by TD. Technical decisions really say nothing about how good you are IMO. Hell, Julio Gonzales just beat Montell Griffin by TD and there were no real conclusions drawn from that fight. Margarito was on his way to a decision or knocking out Santos from what I saw.

I had Morales p4p #3 in the world before his CLOSE loss to Barrera. When he lost I dropped him down to about #6 or 7 because it was such a close fight. When he beat Pacquiao, I bumped him back up to #4 because he beat a p4p guy (#4-6 on most lists I saw at the time) who was widely considered to be one of the most dangerous guys in boxing and still is. Pacquiao was coming off a draw with Marquez in which he would have won if not for a scoring error, a blowout of a mediocre fighter, and the blowout KO of Barrera. Morales beat him and that moved him up to #4 in my book, ahead of Barrera.

Before Barrera fought Pacquiao, I had him very high up on the p4p charts (I dont remember exactly like #3) because of his wins over Morales and Hamed. He lost in such brutal, one-sided fashion however, and other fighters stock had risen so much that I moved him way down to around #10. Then he beat Morales again which moved him up a few slots because Morales is such a good fighter.

My top 20 looks like this:

1. Bernard Hopkins (until hes dethroned)
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr (he needs to do big things at 140)
3. Winky Wright (Mosely x2 and Trinidad shut-out)
4. Erik Morales (for every reason I explained above)
5. Diego Corrales (40-2, W Casa, Freitas, JLC...L PBF, Casa)
6. Rafael Marquez (impressive streak...W Johnson x2, Austin)
7. Marco Antonio Barrera (Win over Morales and great career)
8. Ricky Hatton (huge win over Tszyu, still undefeated)
9. Zab Judah (on top of his game, impressive KO of Cory Spinks)
10. Glen Johnson (W Tarver, RJJ, Woods, Harding all in a row)
11. Jose L. Castillo (close loss to Chico, great streak before)
12. Manny Pacquiao (close L to Morales, still very dangerous)
13. Juan Manuel Marquez (still big dog at 126, '99 was last loss)
14. Kostya Tszyu (seems to be at the end of his career/reign)
15. James Toney (hasn't lost in forever, i dont care bout roids)
16. Antonio Tarver (I thought he beat Johnson, still dangerous)
17. Kassim Ouma (going to rule 154, W Phillips, Candelo, Jantuah)
18. Antonio Margarito (W Lewis, Cintron...crap loss to Santos)
19. Joel Casamayor (i thought he beat JLC, only L's to top guys)
20. Cory Spinks (still a good fighter, Judah is a top dog now)
i like your list, i just cant have hatton that high after one big win over a guy who may or may not be over the hill. imo Zoo is just past his prime but to all the british fight fans im not knocking hattons win, he deserves all the credit in the world

btw who you got if morales or pacman fights casamayor?
i think they'd be some tough fights.

Manny P has a great point, some of you rate Hatton in top 5???.... P4P cuz he beat KT. On the other hand Jermain doesn't make top 10 p4p for beating the number 1 p4p fighter in the world? I just can't seem to grasp the logic there....

Hatton deserves number 5 in my opinion, but probably no higher. You at least have to consider that Tszyu might not have been the BEST version of himself. However, he still looked very good and coming off a blowout victory of Mitchell would many thought would beat Tszyu. Hatton has owned a lot of fringe contenders, and then beat Tszyu. This is good enough for top 5, but not top 3 (yet).

Also, why not have Hatton over Morales. Hatton weighed 147 on fight night whereas Morales weighes 141, 6 lbs difference. You don't think if Hatton was naturally 6 lbs smaller that he could beat Morales? I do.
No I don't. I don't think he could beat Morales, Barrera, JMM, Pacman, Corrales, JLC, Mayweather. He could probably beat Gatti but it would be a good fight. Him beating an old, Tszyu who didn't show very much pride or balls throughout the fight doesn't do much for me. That is not the same Kosta Tszyu that we are used to seeing. It looked like he came in the fight with 1 foot in retirement.