Guys, would you like to see this kind of match? A match between Vitali Klitschko and one of the top MMA heavyweights in the world?
Those who watch both boxing and MMA(like I do) should know that the best heavyweights that Pride has to offer are Fedor Emelianenko and Mirko Filipovic. UFC offers Frank Mir and Andrei Arlovski(who fights tonight at UFC 53). This match could even be MMA since Vitali is an accomplished kickboxer, but then again I doubt that Klitschko has any ground skills, making the fight a mismatch if it goes to the ground. I expect to get some replies from serious fans who know about MMA too. Not haters who only watch boxing and diss MMA without having any knowledge. This kind of event would be good to determine who is the best fighter on the planet. There are always arguments, but events like this could put an end to certain doubts.

i like both boxing and mma what would determine the winner between a boxer and a mixed martial artist is the rules of the fight if its strictly boxing the boxer will win everytime even though mma guys have stand up skills they can't compete with a boxer if its mma rules as soon as the boxer is taken to ground he will loose because they have no ground skills its like a fish out of water . but an mma guy would have a better chance although unlikely to beat a boxer in a boxing match more than a boxer would fighting a mixed martial artist with mma rules .

i like both boxing and mma what would determine the winner between a boxer and a mixed martial artist is the rules of the fight if its strictly boxing the boxer will win everytime even though mma guys have stand up skills they can't compete with a boxer if its mma rules as soon as the boxer is taken to ground he will loose because they have no ground skills its like a fish out of water . but an mma guy would have a better chance although unlikely to beat a boxer in a boxing match more than a boxer would fighting a mixed martial artist with mma rules .

That's why I picked Vitali for this scenario, because he is also a kickboxer. A kickboxing match between V. Klitschko and Andrei Arlovski could be something.

Vitali wouldn't last 2 minutes with Fedor even just on stand up. Any of the others would beat him on the ground.

Vitali wouldn't last 2 minutes with Fedor even just on stand up. Any of the others would beat him on the ground.

I think that the only one who could stand his ground against Vitali in a boxing match is Andrei Arlovski. Kickboxing, I think that Arlovski and Mirko Filipovic. MMA, all of them would beat Vitali.

Man this is ridiculous!!! MMA win of course its mixed martial arts! a boxer is a boxer there are rules MMA have ground and pound and submissions how are you gonna put that with a boxer? it is almost unfair. But Vitor belfort could compete with a boxer if it is strictly boxing.

Man this is ridiculous!!! MMA win of course its mixed martial arts! a boxer is a boxer there are rules MMA have ground and pound and submissions how are you gonna put that with a boxer? it is almost unfair. But Vitor belfort could compete with a boxer if it is strictly boxing.

I was not hoping to get replies from guys who just jump without paying attention to posts and here's one. I recognized that Vitali Klitschko would be in a disadvantage if the fight was MMA. I also stated that it could have been a kickboxing match because Vitali was a kickboxing champion, in case you did not know.

"Vitali wouldn't last 2 minutes with Fedor even just on stand up. Any of the others would beat him on the ground."

Bull****. Most of those guys would annihilate him easy in MMA rules, I will give you that, but just standup? The boxer will always win standup unless the kickboxer is younger and all around more experienced.

Also, I have never seen a UFC or pride fighter who could really punch even at the level of Vitali who is not a great puncher in a P4P sense. Chuck Liddell is supposedly one of the best hitters in his sport and he only throws shoulder punches. Vitali could drop his hands and let Lidell wail away all day and he wouldn't have him in any trouble. Remember that Corrie Sanders is one of the hardest punchers in the last 10 years of heavyweight boxing and he could only stun and not seriously hurt Vitali. Neither Liddell or Fedor would hurt him.

"Vitali wouldn't last 2 minutes with Fedor even just on stand up. Any of the others would beat him on the ground."

Bull****. Most of those guys would annihilate him easy in MMA rules, I will give you that, but just standup? The boxer will always win standup unless the kickboxer is younger and all around more experienced.

Also, I have never seen a UFC or pride fighter who could really punch even at the level of Vitali who is not a great puncher in a P4P sense. Chuck Liddell is supposedly one of the best hitters in his sport and he only throws shoulder punches. Vitali could drop his hands and let Lidell wail away all day and he wouldn't have him in any trouble. Remember that Corrie Sanders is one of the hardest punchers in the last 10 years of heavyweight boxing and he could only stun and not seriously hurt Vitali. Neither Liddell or Fedor would hurt him.

You don't follow MMA, right? Of course Lidell would not hurt Vitali. Lidell fights at 205 and has no formal boxing training. His shots are looping and he is much shorter than Vitali. A guy like Andrei Arlovski is another story. This guy is technically sound, stands in at 6'3", and weighs in at around 240 pounds. Check him out if you want to see a solid, strong all around fighting machine.

Oldschool Bas Rutten would kick every heavyweight's ass :)

bas rutten has a mean right hook to the body, right uppercut combo

he stole it from tyson but when he throws it ,it looks good

VK would lose on the ground but with stand upp rules i dont see who beats him, ive seen clips off him kickboxing and he was real good, the reason he turned to boxing is because it is more lucrative.

VK vs Cro Coop would be dream fight though.

VK would lose on the ground but with stand upp rules i dont see who beats him, ive seen clips off him kickboxing and he was real good, the reason he turned to boxing is because it is more lucrative.

VK vs Cro Coop would be dream fight though.

It would be great, but I would rather see Arlovski vs Klitscko. I think they would match better.

perhaps, i dont know arlewski.

i know cro coop from k1, i dont watch ufc.

If you ask me i think arlovski wouldnt even need to use his ground skills. He is very achomplished at sambo, boxing, as well as other forms. His hand skills are second to none if you ask me. Yea, he did get caught be rizzo, but look how good he was until then. He then went on a tear. Look what he did to silvia. And if eillers didnt rip his acl last night the same thing would have happened to him. He is type type of fighter than can fininsh you standing as well as with ground and pound.
If it came down to it, Arlovski could legitametly contend for the heavyweight championship in boxing. Klitshko Vs Arlovski would be a tremendous war, they both have tremendous hearts, not to mention ability. And if you think klitshkos height would give him trouble look back to Tim (6'8) Silvia.
If more people were to actually understand the sport of mma this fight would someday be possible. All it takes is understanding that some fighters in mma make for huge wars, some make for quit violent knockouts, and yes, some make for what some people see as boring. Which is most peoples knock on ufc or pride. But if you look at it honestly the same formula applies to boxing.


All it takes is understanding

If you ask me i think arlovski wouldnt even need to use his ground skills. He is very achomplished at sambo, boxing, as well as other forms. His hand skills are second to none if you ask me. Yea, he did get caught be rizzo, but look how good he was until then. He then went on a tear. Look what he did to silvia. And if eillers didnt rip his acl last night the same thing would have happened to him. He is type type of fighter than can fininsh you standing as well as with ground and pound.
If it came down to it, Arlovski could legitametly contend for the heavyweight championship in boxing. Klitshko Vs Arlovski would be a tremendous war, they both have tremendous hearts, not to mention ability. And if you think klitshkos height would give him trouble look back to Tim (6'8) Silvia.
If more people were to actually understand the sport of mma this fight would someday be possible. All it takes is understanding that some fighters in mma make for huge wars, some make for quit violent knockouts, and yes, some make for what some people see as boring. Which is most peoples knock on ufc or pride. But if you look at it honestly the same formula applies to boxing.


All it takes is understanding

Finally, someone who agrees 100% with me. Arlovski is one dangerous fighting machine. I think he will crush Frank Mir and then he could even take some boxing heavyweights if he wanted to.

Andrei Arlovski after knocking out Eileers at UFC 53, last night.
http://www.boxing-pics.com/arlovski_eilers/header.jpg

how would they even get in range to get klitshcko to the ground, man, these guys have few problems to contend with. VK's punch power, his REACH, and ability to kick. I couldnt see MMA guys beating tyson either, cos he wasnt a boxer, he was an animal, hed prolly be banned after one match from biting or something like that.
I dont think MMA guys would have the balls or be in the right state of mind to jump in with tyson.

how would they even get in range to get klitshcko to the ground, man, these guys have few problems to contend with. VK's punch power, his REACH, and ability to kick. I couldnt see MMA guys beating tyson either, cos he wasnt a boxer, he was an animal, hed prolly be banned after one<A title="Online Dating" style="COLOR: #65b45c; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="http://69.42.87.210/cgi-bin/ezlclk.fcgi?id=6718" target=_blank> match </A>from biting or something like that.
I dont think MMA guys would have the balls or be in the right state of mind to jump in with tyson.


Like i said did you not see him against tim silvia (6'8). If my memory serves me correctly, which it does he knocked him stupid.
And if you wanna give them the ufc rules that you were implying (kicks) you would have to be crazy to think klitshko could even compete.

Like i said did you not see him against tim silvia (6'8). If my memory serves me correctly, which it does he knocked him stupid.
And if you wanna give them the ufc rules that you were implying (kicks) you would have to be crazy to think klitshko could even compete.


So are you saying that klitshko who has his background in "KICK"boxing on a professional level and even held some championship (not sure about this but I think I have read it before). Doesn't know how to kick?

What???

Don't get me wrong though klitshko would get his arse handed to him in mixed martial arts. Once on the ground it would be over.

I was not hoping to get replies from guys who just jump without paying attention to posts and here's one. I recognized that Vitali Klitschko would be in a disadvantage if the fight was MMA. I also stated that it could have been a kickboxing match because Vitali was a kickboxing champion, in case you did not know.


^yes I know he was a kickboxing champ I have a couple of his videos and they are really boring he was really skinny too and wore pants.

Like i said did you not see him against tim silvia (6'8). If my memory serves me correctly, which it does he knocked him stupid.
And if you wanna give them the ufc rules that you were implying (kicks) you would have to be crazy to think klitshko could even compete.

I think that if Vitali kept practicing his kicks, he should still have the ability, so a kickboxing match against Arlovski sounds very interesting. It would make lots of money, that's for sure.

About the Arlovski-Sylvia fight, Arlovski knocked Tym down and then submitted him with an ankle lock.

Guys, would you like to see this kind of match? A match between Vitali Klitschko and one of the top MMA heavyweights in the world?
Those who watch both boxing and MMA(like I do) should know that the best heavyweights that Pride has to offer are Fedor Emelianenko and Mirko Filipovic. UFC offers Frank Mir and Andrei Arlovski(who fights tonight at UFC 53). This match could even be MMA since Vitali is an accomplished kickboxer, but then again I doubt that Klitschko has any ground skills, making the fight a mismatch if it goes to the ground. I expect to get some replies from serious fans who know about MMA too. Not haters who only watch boxing and diss MMA without having any knowledge. This kind of event would be good to determine who is the best fighter on the planet. There are always arguments, but events like this could put an end to certain doubts.Not sure if anyone mentioned this at the beginning of the thread, my apologies for skipping through all of the above said..

But just wanted to mention that:
NO BOXER CAN STAND A CHANCE AGAINST A PROFESSIONAL MMA FIGHTER!
A Boxer will be taken down immediately and EASILY outworked to a submission
That Jab, Jab, Jab bull**** won't work.

I think that if Vitali kept practicing his kicks, he should still have the ability, so a kickboxing match against Arlovski sounds very interesting. It would make lots of money, that's for sure.

About the Arlovski-Sylvia fight, Arlovski knocked Tym down and then submitted him with an ankle lock.
I believe that Vitali is a converted Kick Boxer..
And the only way he stands a chance is only in a K1 competition (Stand Up Rules Only, no take downs)

Not sure if anyone mentioned this at the beginning of the thread, my apologies for skipping through all of the above said..

But just wanted to mention that:
NO BOXER CAN STAND A CHANCE AGAINST A PROFESSIONAL MMA FIGHTER!
A Boxer will be taken down immediately and EASILY outworked to a submission
That Jab, Jab, Jab bull**** won't work.

As the thread went on, I went more for a kickboxing match instead of MMA. I talk about Arlovski vs. Vitali.

Thanks for the briefing.. ;)
I'm still crushed with the loss and not in the mood for much of the reading. :(

K1 rules, VitKo stands a huge chance.

Like i said did you not see him against tim silvia (6'8). If my memory serves me correctly, which it does he knocked him stupid.
And if you wanna give them the ufc rules that you were implying (kicks) you would have to be crazy to think klitshko could even compete.

This is boxing, not a karate site guys, next topic, talking about karate, kung-fu or whateva ya talkn about is BS.

This is boxing, not a karate site guys, next topic, talking about karate, kung-fu or whateva ya talkn about is BS.

If you don't like the topic you don't have to reply just for the sake of it. Several posters have replied with some knowledge about both MMA and boxing, so your reply seems out of place. Besides, not all discussions have to be about the same thing everytime.

Well we'll get a closest thing to it soon when Matt Skelton fights Danny Williams. Williams should win because it is boxing rules.

I think this topic is a little silly. It does not matter what weight as long as the fighters are the same weight, the result would usually be the same. If it is mma guy vs. boxer in an mma rules match, the mma guy USUALLY wins. If the it is a boxing match, the boxer USUALLY wins. There would be very few exceptions to this.

Was there any doubt in anybody's mind that Remy Bonjasky (sp?) would MURDER Ray Mercer? Sure, he was giving up probably 60 pounds, but Mercer was ~41 and Bonjasky looked to be around 27-28 and VERY athletic. And he's one of those kickboxers that can actually kick. I expected nothing less than what happened. Actually I thought it could've been worse. Mercer is lucky he wasn't really seriously hurt.

Have Bonjasky have a rematch with Mercer in the boxing ring, Mercer would struggle beating him just because of Bonjasky's athleticism, but his odds of winning would be ten times greater. Mercer knows how to defend himself against punches, especially the awkward punches Bonjasky would be throwing, not being used to boxing.

MMA fans, you must understand that if you come on and insult boxing by saying something else is better than it, naturally you will piss people off. This is like me going to a Spice Girls chatroom and telling them that the Spice Girls really are not such talented singers, that the BeeGees could outsing them anyday. These Spice Girls fans would be very angry at me and would disagree I am sure.

You couldn't have expected the boxing fans to agree with you that their favorite fighters would get beat up by MMA fighters. I salivate at the thought of what Tyson would do to the very best MMA fighters in a Marquis of Queensbury true boxing match.

No way would that guy make Mercer struggle in a boxing match. Mercer would KO any of those guys in a few rounds with boxing rules. They would all be fish out of water, even if they had Muhammad Ali's athleticism. Without the skills (or an iron chin as a plan B) you will sink in boxing. It doesn't matter how athletic you are if you don't have the training and the skills. Otherwise the HW champion would always be a track and field gold medalist or gymnast.

True, though I could see Remy Bonjasky outpointing Butterbean.

I will give you that. ;)

MMA fans, you must understand that if you come on and insult boxing by saying something else is better than it, naturally you will piss people off. This is like me going to a Spice Girls chatroom and telling them that the Spice Girls really are not such talented singers, that the BeeGees could outsing them anyday. These Spice Girls fans would be very angry at me and would disagree I am sure.

You couldn't have expected the boxing fans to agree with you that their favorite fighters would get beat up by MMA fighters. I salivate at the thought of what Tyson would do to the very best MMA fighters in a Marquis of Queensbury true boxing match.

In case you are writing all that stuff for me, try again because I am a hardcore boxing fan. It's not my problem if others are narrow minded and can not appreciate talented MMA practitioners.

In case you are writing all that stuff for me, try again because I am a hardcore boxing fan. It's not my problem if others are narrow minded and can not appreciate talented MMA practitioners.
In a standup fight, MMA fighters stand very little chance against boxers. Boxers do have a chance in an MMA fight. They always have a chance due to superior striking ability (with their hands). There are many MMA fights where a knockout occurs before anyone is even taken to the ground. Even a "light hitting" boxer (by boxing standards) like Chris Byrd, would actually hurt an MMA fighter very badly in a boxing match. MMA fighters are not used to the punching talent that is inherent in boxing. Think about it, if MMA fighters were really that good at punching, why would they not become boxers and make millions more $$$ than as MMA fighters? Many MMA fighters are boxing, wrestling, or football rejects (I said many are, not all).

simeraksou is spot on with his assessment of the differing levels of power in the two sports. A guy like Byrd or Larry Donald would be considered a dangerous puncher by UFC or Pride standards.

When trying to compare something like this, it is only fair consider the best at the sport.

All of the people that think that a professional MMA fighter would allow VK to stand upright and jab all night to a victory are retarded. A professional MMA fighter, even at 205 pounds, could get caught coming inside, but it would be worth it to get VK on the ground and submit him in a minute or so.

If you go to the running websites, you get this same crap from traithletes that think they could beat the runners if they trained to run all day. The triathletes are simply confused.

There have been some replies from posters who know from both boxing and MMA(like myself). There have also been some replies from posters who simply show that they don't know anything about MMA and just want to diss it. It would be good if, at least, posters knew who these MMA guys(Arlovski, Filipovic, Emelianenko) are and what they bring to the table. This way, their arguments would present some facts and knowledge, instead of just assumptions that could be wrong.

But Vitor belfort could compete with a boxer if it is strictly boxing.


vitor has good hand speed but i really question his stamina he seems to get wore out quick and if he were to fight strictly boxing stamina is very important ..

I can't see any of these MMA fighters, lasting 1 round with VK. I think he would be able to overwelm them like Chuck Liddell does with his power and accurcy.