I dont want everybody to get all insanely nationalistic on this one, but I was curious what country people thought the best fighters came out. Here are some of the bigger countries and the highlights of ACTIVE FIGHTERS who come from there.

United States of America:
Chris Byrd, Monte Barrett, John Ruiz, Lamon Brewster, O'Neill Bell, Antonio Tarver, Roy Jones, Jeff Lacy, Bernard Hopkins, Jermain Taylor, Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya, Zab Judah, Cory Spinks, Arturo Gatti, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Diego Corrales, Mark Johnson.

United States of Mexico:
Antonio Margarito, Cosme Rivera, Joes Luis Castillo, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Jesus Chavez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar Larios, Israel Vazquez, Rafeal Marquez, Martin Castillo, Ivan Hernandez, Jorge Arce.

Puerto Rico
Felix Trinidad, Miguel Cotto, Kermit Cintron, Fres Oquendo, Daniel Santos, Ivan Calderon, Nelson Dieppa, Manny Siaca,

United Kingdom:
Johnny Nelson, Clinton Woods, Robin Reid, Howard Eastman, Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton, Junior Witter, Carl Thompson, Michael Brodie.

Australia:
Hussein Hussein, Kostya Tszyu, Paul Briggs, Anthony Mundine, Danny Green, Sam Soliman, Lovermore Ndou, Robbie Peden.

Germany:
Felix Sturm, Oktay Urkal, Markus Beyer, Aurthur Abraham.

Nicaragua:
Ricardo Mayorga, Luis Perez.

Ukraine:
The brothers Klitschko

And a whole bunch of others that are equally deserving to be listed but I tire of such things. So lets hear it, what do you think. I am of the opinion that it really depends on what weight classes we are talking about, or even general sizes-- but I will wait with my opinions until I hear some of yours.

PS- Sorry for everybody I excluded but I had some trouble choosing where to put guys who were born one place and grew up another, or may or may not be all that great, or just got missed.

I dont want everybody to get all insanely nationalistic on this one, but I was curious what country people thought the best fighters came out. Here are some of the bigger countries and the highlights of ACTIVE FIGHTERS who come from there.

United States of America:
Chris Byrd, Monte Barrett, John Ruiz, Lamon Brewster, O'Neill Bell, Antonio Tarver, Roy Jones, Jeff Lacy, Bernard Hopkins, Jermain Taylor, Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya, Zab Judah, Cory Spinks, Arturo Gatti, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Diego Corrales, Mark Johnson.

United States of Mexico:
Antonio Margarito, Cosme Rivera, Joes Luis Castillo, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Jesus Chavez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar Larios, Israel Vazquez, Rafeal Marquez, Martin Castillo, Ivan Hernandez, Jorge Arce.

Puerto Rico
Felix Trinidad, Miguel Cotto, Kermit Cintron, Fres Oquendo, Daniel Santos, Ivan Calderon, Nelson Dieppa, Manny Siaca,

England:
Johnny Nelson, Clinton Woods, Robin Reid, Howard Eastman, Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton, Junior Witter, Carl Thompson, Michael Brodie.

Australia:
Hussein Hussein, Kostya Tszyu, Paul Briggs, Anthony Mundine, Danny Green, Sam Soliman, Lovermore Ndou, Robbie Peden.

Germany:
Felix Sturm, Oktay Urkal, Markus Beyer, Aurthur Abraham.

Nicaragua:
Ricardo Mayorga, Luis Perez.

Ukraine:
The brothers Klitschko

And a whole bunch of others that are equally deserving to be listed but I tire of such things. So lets hear it, what do you think. I am of the opinion that it really depends on what weight classes we are talking about, or even general sizes-- but I will wait with my opinions until I hear some of yours.

PS- Sorry for everybody I excluded but I had some trouble choosing where to put guys who were born one place and grew up another, or may or may not be all that great, or just got missed.

Umm... you might want to change your listing of England to Britian or the United Kingdom because Calzaghe is from Wales. And Scott Harrison is from Scotland. So I would implore you change your listing of England to either Britian or the United Kingdom. It pisses me off when people think England contitutes the entirety of the United Kingdom or of Britain and Northern Ireland.


Calzaghe is the best fighter from Britian and the UK and he is not from England. Change your listing to UK or Britian.

I think Brodie is from Scotland or Northern Ireland also.


You are seriously a retard for not knowing the difference between England and the United Kingdom or England and Britian.

for the heavier weight classes..i give the nod to the United States..for the lighter weight divisions..no doubht Mexico

Cuba?.........

Real hard topic to answer, but if I was picking one Id go with my home country of USA. Great fighters have came from all over like you have shown in your main post. Talent wise its real hard for me to tell but Id probally say USA because majority of my favorite fighters come from America. I do like a lot of fighters from all over but Ill go with America.

yo homie, whered my hometown went?

Gotta represent so Ima put ma shiznite, since you EXCLUDED it apparantly.


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Robin Reid is Irish actually, but I shouldn't nitpick. In any case, the USA is the best source, obviously. Brits can't prove they produce better boxers "per capita" but they like to say it.

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Calzaghe and Harrison are not from England ................Idiot

They are from Britian and the UK but not from England. Have you ever looked at map in your entier life. Or have any knowledge whatsoever of geography.

oh ****..i always thought Britian and England were the same....damn...i need check the globe again..heh

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Calzaghe and Harrison are not from England ................Idiot

They are from Britian and the UK but not from England. Have you ever looked at map in your entier life. Or have any knowledge whatsoever of geography.
since you're on the subject of being an idiot:

Questions are followed with a little thing called a question mark, it looks like this: ? You probably haven't seen one in your "entier" life, so I thought I'd show you.

The terms "Britian" and the "UK" are considered one in the same by most Yankees, so don't nit-pick the word that was used, the point was clear regardless of which term was utilized.

And the USA AS ALWAYS IS #1!!!!

Calzaghe and Harrison are not from England ................Idiot

They are from Britian and the UK but not from England. Have you ever looked at map in your entier life. Or have any knowledge whatsoever of geography.

I dont have Harrison listed under England, as I know he is from Scotland, I actually did not realize Calzaghe was from Wales though-- I think just cause he is promoted by Warren that I figured he was from England.

Per capita, the UK has been the most successful in boxing history (in terms of World Champions produced combined with how tiny the population is), and the it's good that the UK is top per capita because that's where boxing all began.

Per capita, the USA doesn't even come close!

Quantity of great fighters definitely belongs to USA. Best ratio per mile, to put it like that, is Puerto Rico.

I dont have Harrison listed under England, as I know he is from Scotland, I actually did not realize Calzaghe was from Wales though-- I think just cause he is promoted by Warren that I figured he was from England.

Well its the same country Moron. But but Wales is not England. Scotland is not England. Northern Ireland is not England. But they are all part of the country called the (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland).

Per capita, the UK has been the most successful in boxing history (in terms of World Champions produced combined with how tiny the population is), and the it's good that the UK is top per capita because that's where boxing all began.

Per capita, the USA doesn't even come close!

Per capita? how bout just basing it on..amount of good/great boxers each country..has produced right now

There, England has been changed to United Kingdom so that I can accurately include Calzaghe, sorry to anybody who was offended- did not realize he was from Wales.

since you're on the subject of being an idiot:

Questions are followed with a little thing called a question mark, it looks like this: ? You probably haven't seen one in your "entier" life, so I thought I'd show you.

The terms "Britian" and the "UK" are considered one in the same by most Yankees, so don't nit-pick the word that was used, the point was clear regardless of which term was utilized.

And the USA AS ALWAYS IS #1!!!!

Britian and the UK are not England you moron. You sound like that ***** that nobody likes named "badmagick" with your puncuation nitpicking. I am not writing this **** for a college professor.

There, England has been changed to United Kingdom so that I can accurately include Calzaghe, sorry to anybody who was offended- did not realize he was from Wales.




Thank you...........And Brodie I believe is from Northern Ireland. And Scott Harrison from Glasgow, Scotland the #1 Featherweight in the world is noticably absent from your list of UK and British fighters.

Per capita? how bout just basing it on..amount of good/great boxers each country..has produced right now
But that's not fair, USA are bullies in that respect :)

Britian and the UK are not England you moron. You sound like that ***** that nobody likes named "badmagick" with your puncuation nitpicking. I am not writing this **** for a college professor.
Alright, you still haven't made any points that refer to the question, but thanks for wasting time....England, Britian, UK, Wales, it DOESN'T MATTER the point of the topic doesn't change one bit.... out of the somewhat universally recognized pound for pound rankings, 3 of the top 4-5 fighters are from the USA (Floyd, B-Hop, & Winky), while Chico Corrales and Zab Judah own the Ring belt in their respective weight classes

Thank you...........And Brodie I believe is from Northern Ireland. And Scott Harrison from Glasgow, Scotland the #1 Cruiserweight in the world is noticably absent from your list of UK and British fighters.

Scott Harrison a Cruiser? What? Are you talking about the WBO Featherweight Champion who fights at 126 pounds?? Is there any other Harrison??

He is talking about Jean Marc Moremeck I think, Harrison is a seperate issue. I did not list Harrison as I knew he was from Scotland but I think he had assumed that I did. In any event, that is what he meant.

But that's not fair, USA are bullies in that respect :)
ahh well....china and india have billions of ppl..they dont produce as many great boxers as the smaller populated countries..

He is talking about Jean Marc Moremeck I think, Harrison is a seperate issue. I did not list Harrison as I knew he was from Scotland but I think he had assumed that I did. In any event, that is what he meant.

Still, Mormeck hails from France.

Britian and the UK are not England you moron. You sound like that ***** that nobody likes named "badmagick" with your puncuation nitpicking. I am not writing this **** for a college professor.
Yeah we know you're not writing this for a college professor, but don't get mad at me, get mad at your lousy parents who wasted their time trying to raise their hopeless child....& it's punctuation "nit-picking" with a little thing called a hyphen. :)

Either way, once again, you've avoided the entire point of the post and started a fight. Good for you, have a lousy evening.

Yeah we know you're not writing this for a college professor, but don't get mad at me, get mad at your lousy parents who wasted their time trying to raise their hopeless child....& it's punctuation "nit-picking" with a little thing called a hyphen. :)

Either way, once again, you've avoided the entire point of the post and started a fight. Good for you, have a lousy evening.

Things like this need to be corrected. I must be pretty strong on this forum if the only way people can attack me is by nit-picking at typo errors.

And you attack me for what? Wanting geogrphic accuracy?

Things like this need to be corrected. I must be pretty strong on this forum if the only way people can attack me is by nit-picking at typo errors.

And you attack me for what? Wanting geogrphic accuracy?
So Mckay, which country produces the best boxers?

(you see, this was what the thread was SUPPOSED to be about, I'll be the adult of the group and get things back on track)

So Mckay, which country produces the best boxers?

(you see, this was what the thread was SUPPOSED to be about, I'll be the adult of the group and get things back on track)

This thread was flawed. I corrected the issue. Now the thead can proceed as was intended.

This thread was flawed. I corrected the issue. Now the thead can proceed as was intended.
Great job of avoiding the question, for the 4th or 5th time....let's try again, since your A.D.D. is kicking in again....

SO MCKAY, which country produces the best boxers?

It's close between the USA and Mexico. Both put out great boxers.

Well its the same country Moron. But but Wales is not England. Scotland is not England. Northern Ireland is not England. But they are all part of the country called the (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland).

I realize that they are all part of the UK, I just wanted to be a little more specific with it, I mean technically Puerto Rico is part of the US, but putting them together would not be in the spirit of the thread. Thus, why I did not put Harrison under England, I realized he was from Scotland, thus not England, which was part of the UK. At the time, what I wanted to do was highlight England though. Upon learning that Calzaghe was actually from Wales though I changed it to the UK, so as to continue in the spirit of the question. So allow me to make this clear-- geographically I was correct, I just thought was unclear on where Calzaghe was from. OK, back to the actual flow of the thread.

It's close between the USA and Mexico. Both put out great boxers.
FINALLY somebody wants to discuss the topic, whats crackin' Magick?!?!

USA and Mexico seem to be #1 and #2, at least according to the sanctioning bodies and the always-reliable pound for pound rankings on-line (which are more biased??? Tough call....) USA dominates from 147 up, Mexico is the king in most every division below welterweight

I think that United States probably gets my overall nod, but Mexico is pretty much a clean sweep at the lower divisions. When it comes to the lighter guys Mexico pretty much just has a strangle hold on the divisions. Especially with the holy trinity of featherweights (or former featherweights) Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, and Juan Manuel Marquez.

I realize that they are all part of the UK, I just wanted to be a little more specific with it, I mean technically Puerto Rico is part of the US, but putting them together would not be in the spirit of the thread. Thus, why I did not put Harrison under England, I realized he was from Scotland, thus not England, which was part of the UK. At the time, what I wanted to do was highlight England though. Upon learning that Calzaghe was actually from Wales though I changed it to the UK, so as to continue in the spirit of the question. So allow me to make this clear-- geographically I was correct, I just thought was unclear on where Calzaghe was from. OK, back to the actual flow of the thread.

The difference between Peurto Rico and the United States is not the same as the difference between England and Northern Ireland. I dont think Peurto Ricans carry American passports and are considered part of part of the nationality of American. Peurto Rico is technically a commonwealth of the United States. There is no Peurto Rican Represenatives for instance in the United States Legistlator. They are two different countries.

And apparently Puerto Ricans want it to remain that way. Peurto Rico has voted to become a state in the United States before and they always vote NO.

The difference is more like Scotland is Illinois and England is California and Wales is Massachusets and Northern Ireland is Minnesota. They are different states part of the same country. Peurto Rico is not a state as part of the United States.

No country comes close to USA, not even Mexico in lighter weights. I would put Mexico at #2 for quantily, and Puerto Rico at #3 for quailty.

The difference between Peurto Rico and the United States is not the same as the difference between England and Northern Ireland. I dont think Peurto Ricans carry American passports and are considered part of part of the nationality of American. Peurto Rico is technically a commonwealth of the United States. There is no Peurto Represenatives for instance in the United States Legistlator. They are two different countries.

I am aware of all this, but my point is that they still could be included with one another. It was a weak analogy but hardly the driving point of that post let alone the thread. Lets try to focus on the task at hand here.

Colombia and Argentina actually have their fair-share of decent fighters but they are not countries that you typically think about when you are listing the big boxing countries. Just an interesting little aside there. Does anybody know of any prominant fighters from the Dominican Republic aside from Little Tyson?

The difference between Peurto Rico and the United States is not the same as the difference between England and Northern Ireland. I dont think Peurto Ricans carry American passports and are considered part of part of the nationality of American. Peurto Rico is technically a commonwealth of the United States. There is no Peurto Represenatives for instance in the United States Legistlator. They are two different countries.

And apparently Puerto Ricans want it to remain that way. Peurto Rico has voted to become a state in the United States before and they always vote NO.

The difference is more like Scotland is Illinois and England is California and Wales is Massachusets and Northern Ireland is Minnesota. They are different states part of the same country. Peurto Rico is not a state as part of the United States.
Alrighty then, somebody didn't take their ADD pills this morning....this isn't a geography class, it's a boxing thread, let's stick to the actual question....here it is, for the 3rd time:

SO MCKAY, WHICH COUNTRY PRODUCES THE BEST BOXERS?!?!?!?!

what about africa, oceania countries: David Tua, Maselino Masoe..., Cuba , eastern Europe ( Russia and surrounding countries).???? and polar bears in artic?

I am aware of all this, but my point is that they still could be included with one another. It was a weak analogy but hardly the driving point of that post let alone the thread. Lets try to focus on the task at hand here.

Colombia and Argentina actually have their fair-share of decent fighters but they are not countries that you typically think about when you are listing the big boxing countries. Just an interesting little aside there. Does anybody know of any prominant fighters from the Dominican Republic aside from Little Tyson?
Victoriano Sosa, cousin of Sammy, is from the D.R., he's the only other that I know of

Cuba has some good fighters, but alot of them just stay as amatuers which really dilludes their professional ranks. Casamayor would be a pretty glaring exception to this of course. Brazil has PoPo, theat is pretty solid.

what about africa, oceania countries: David Tua, Maselino Masoe..., Cuba , eastern Europe ( Russia and surrounding countries).???? and polar bears in artic?

He listed Ukraine. There is not any good fighters from Russia except for Valuev and Jirov (who is actually born in Kazakstan) Abdulaev is from Uzbekistan part of USSR.,


And Tua is from New Zealand, he is probably the one fighter of note from New Zeland they only got a population of like 3 million people.

Cuba, Former USSR, Mexico, and USA all have produced numerous boxers of an exceptional quality.

He listed Ukraine. There is not any good fighters from Russia except for Valuev and Jirov (who is actually born in Kazakstan), and Tua is from New Zealand, he is probably the one fighter of note from New Zeland they only got a population of like 3 million people.
The question of the thread, for the 4th time now:

WHAT COUNTRY PRODUCES THE BEST BOXERS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

(your pills are in your sock drawer, right next to the grey pair with a blue stripe on the toe)

Australia is really a sleeper, they have alot of good fighters coming from out there, although wasnt Kostya Tzsyu actually born in Russia? Either way, there are a number of big Australian fighters, and alot of them (Kostya being an exception) are pretty young, makes you wonder if maybe there is going to be a swelling of young Australian professionals sweeping into the rankings in coming years.

The question of the thread, for the 4th time now:

WHAT COUNTRY PRODUCES THE BEST BOXERS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

(your pills are in your sock drawer, right next to the grey pair with a blue stripe on the toe)

The United States does historically but these days fighters from other countries are starting to take over.

The United States emphasis is really on things that are big and bad and blah blah blah. So you see alot of our fighters dominating at middleweight and above. I would say in those bigger weight classes there is still a pretty dramatic United States presence. Where as everything below Jr. Welterweight is pretty much dominated by Mexico. Every thing from 140-160 strikes me as being basically a mixed bag with no one country have a real advantage.

The United States does historically but these days fighters from other countries are starting to take over.
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Either way we put it, America wins, hands down.

The United States does historically but these days fighters from other countries are starting to take over.
Right on brother, thanks for getting with the program....and I agree with your assessment also :)

The U.S got bigga fightas at higher divisions becuz they rich as ****. They feed boxers in America wit everythin.****in pork, ****in beef. They get big becuz they eat. LOL. Poor countries have smalla fightas.

The U.S got bigga fightas at higher divisions becuz they rich as ****. They feed boxers in America wit everythin.****in pork, ****in beef. They get big becuz they eat. LOL. Poor countries have smalla fightas.


You are very observant. Thank you very much for the enlightment.

USA produces the best fighters period.

You lot arguing amongst each other about UK/Britian/England??? Is quite funny! ;)

The UK and GB are not the same... Ireland falls under the uk, where as it's not a part of GB.

Brodie is from Manchester, England
Reid is from Runcorn, England

Why do you lot think these fighters are Irish?

Oh ****!... I mean't to say... Mexico produce the best fighters.

thank god sum ne corrected the brodie and reid thing it was killing me reading this thread seeing no one had correct it then i got to da last page
and ma boy martinwbc did the honours
I HAVE TO SAY MEXICO HAS GOT IT WRAPPED UP
ALONG WITH THE US
puerto ricas vote no as to becomeing a part of america?????
then what the hell they all doing living there
(JOKE PPL)

Mexico! Puerto Rico!

No country comes close to USA, not even Mexico in lighter weights. I would put Mexico at #2 for quantily, and Puerto Rico at #3 for quailty.
ok first of all even thoug it kills me i agree with you.
and second i want to give you props for not being biasided and putting mexico over PR.
Iwatch this is very classy of you

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At one point and time there was 5 Mexicans on the P4P list.
In the lower weight classes Mexico is pretty dominant but in heavier th U.S takes it by far.