View Full Version : Did Joe Frazier Underestimate George Foreman In their 1st Fight?


BritishBoxing92
04-03-2010, 01:03 PM
Discuss and debate whether he did or not since he recently had beaten muhammad ali in 1971 in the fight of the century and was also undefeated do you reckon maybe frazier underestimated george foreman since frazier did better against him in their second fight?...

sonnyboyx2
04-03-2010, 01:29 PM
Frazier took a ferocious beating in fight of the century, he very near died, he then took time off with his blues band "The Knockouts" and done a world tour, he fought a couple of fights against fringe contenders but when he met Foreman in Jamaica Frazier was 15lbs overweight compaired to his fight with Ali in 71, Foreman sent Frazier to the canvas 6 times before referee Arthur Mercante called a halt with Frazier on his feet but looking in bad shape.. Frazier was also suffering eyesight problems at that time.

NChristo
04-03-2010, 01:36 PM
I think everyone was underestimating Foreman especially against Frazier who just came off winning the Ali, no one could off predicted what happened that night.

T3dBundy
04-03-2010, 01:38 PM
the outcome in 71 wouldnt be much different, frazier was fitter and could have gone maybe 3-4 more rounds.
at the end foremans power was something out of this world when he was 23, thats why i would pick foreman always over frazier.

SpecialOne
04-03-2010, 01:41 PM
I think foreman was made for a guy like Frazier

People bring up foreman vs tyson and say it would be like the frazier bouts but i disagree.

Tyson was bigger, stronger and faster than Frazier. Overall he was a lot better than Frazier so it would be a interesting match up.

I aint really a fan of fantasy match ups, i prefer looking at fighters accomplishments than a match up between two greats

QuietOne
04-03-2010, 02:00 PM
It's just a bad stylistic match-up, for Frazier. He was the swarmer and Foreman was the slugger. When someone as powerful as Foreman is the slugger, you don't wanna be the swarmer.

BigStereotype
04-03-2010, 03:45 PM
He might have underestimated him, but Frazier never stood a chance. Foreman hit too hard for his style to work.

Sugarj
04-03-2010, 08:40 PM
Frazier probably fell victim to reading his own press. At the time no one thought Foreman would win, bookies, sports reporters etc. Foreman was still seen as crude, amateurish and too unproven to beat a seasoned champion like Frazier.

Frazier did do a little better in fight two, but he was at least five years past prime in 1976. In 1973 he wouldn't have envisioned a gameplan that involved the hitting and moving strategy he tried in fight two, and honestly Foreman was too powerful for Joe full stop.

Snopkins
04-04-2010, 03:50 AM
Glass jaw + great force = disaster


frazier should have continued to duck every puncher that entered the top ten ranking.

The Beatles
04-04-2010, 06:35 AM
Glass jaw + great force = disaster


frazier should have continued to duck every puncher that entered the top ten ranking.
as crazy as it sounds...there is some truth to your statement......Frazier clearly ducked some of the bigger punchers of his era

General Zod
04-04-2010, 09:14 AM
Glass jaw + great force = disaster


frazier should have continued to duck every puncher that entered the top ten ranking.
Frazier was past prime after the first Ali fight, a fight which landed him in Hospital for 6 weeks. Yank Durham and Futch were against the idea of a Frazier Foreman fight but Frazier wouldn't listen. Futch also noted that he stopped Norton sparring with Frazier as well, because he was beating him up in sparring. Foreman was basically too big for Frazier, maybe Frazier was trying to prove a point to the world, which is why he took the fight.

Snopkins
04-04-2010, 09:25 AM
Yank Durham was against the idea of putting frazier in the ring with any puncher.foreman was a puncher and frazier had a glass jaw.foreman wasn't regarded as a major threat at the time either.

boxingbuff
04-06-2010, 07:19 PM
Frazier was past prime after the first Ali fight, a fight which landed him in Hospital for 6 weeks. Yank Durham and Futch were against the idea of a Frazier Foreman fight but Frazier wouldn't listen. Futch also noted that he stopped Norton sparring with Frazier as well, because he was beating him up in sparring. Foreman was basically too big for Frazier, maybe Frazier was trying to prove a point to the world, which is why he took the fight.

Frazier had a flat out offer of $800,000 to fight Foreman,or 5 Million offer to fight Muhammad Ali in a rematch.Frazier took the $800,000 to fight Foreman.

Frazier was planning to take care of Foreman,and then shut up motor mouth once and for all.But Frazier lost stock and value by being blasted out by Foreman,and Ali lost stock and value by losing to Norton.So the Ali-Frazier rematch was worth around 1.5 Million,compared to the 5 Million he was offered to fight Muhammad Ali in early January 1973.

Yes,Joe Frazier underestimated George Foreman.