Is Iron mike overated. Me personally i say yes. Its not that i doubt his power or his speed. Its just that mike has fought nothin but chumps his whole career. Any real fight that he had he lost. Buster douglas cleaned his clock, holyfield whooped his ass, lewis destroyed his face, Danny Williams "shocked the........." oh wait by this time it was no shock at all, i mean come on this guy even got beat by his Girl Robin Givens. So that is why i say he is overated. Great knockout artist, tenatious fighter, but no heart or skill.
What? Do you disagree.? Tell me why

skills: overrated, can't land a jab or an overhand right anymore

power: extremely overrated, could barely put a dent in a pudgy Danny Williams

marketing ability: completely UNDERrated, he should still be getting at least $10 million per fight with all of the sell-out crowds he draws, combined with better-than-average PPV #'s, but Skelly Finkel and Showtime now get that $$$ rather than Mike

I think in his prime.thought he didnt have the total boxing skills..he did pretty good without them..His power isnt overrated..tell that to Spinks..and countless others he obliterated..i think he is more overHYPED more than anything..he was a beast during his prime.

skills: overrated, can't land a jab or an overhand right anymore

power: extremely overrated, could barely put a dent in a pudgy Danny Williams

marketing ability: completely UNDERrated, he should still be getting at least $10 million per fight with all of the sell-out crowds he draws, combined with better-than-average PPV #'s, but Skelly Finkel and Showtime now get that $$$ rather than Mike

He doesn't have the same sort of power he used to have. He was one of the hardest hitters boxing has ever seen in his prime, though.

He doesn't have the same sort of power he used to have. He was one of the hardest hitters boxing has ever seen in his prime, though.
True, but remember when his prime was: about 1989. I was 9 years old then. I now make 6 figures. Things, obviously, change with time. :)

At his best his power was well above average but he was really not even the hardest hitter of his era. In fact, I don't think he hit much harder than Bonecrusher Smith; he was just quicker and more accurate. His power is overrated more than anything I think. Power is the last thing to go and his punches aren't much weaker today then they ever were in 1986. It's just that he is a little slower now and so they don't have the same effect.

What made Tyson an extremely dangerous man was his headmovement and combination punches as well as very good power in BOTH hands. Tommy Morrison probably hit harder with his left hook but Tyson had great heavyweight power coming at you from both sides, from all angles, and at insane speeds.

Is Iron mike overated. Me personally i say yes. Its not that i doubt his power or his speed. Its just that mike has fought nothin but chumps his whole career. Any real fight that he had he lost. Buster douglas cleaned his clock, holyfield whooped his ass, lewis destroyed his face, Danny Williams "shocked the........." oh wait by this time it was no shock at all, i mean come on this guy even got beat by his Girl Robin Givens. So that is why i say he is overated. Great knockout artist, tenatious fighter, but no heart or skill.
What? Do you disagree.? Tell me why
holmes,thomas ,tucker,spinks could all be champion over any of the champions now

tyson punches weaker then 96 but harder then 85-90

I wonder if Tyson won a belt in today's watered-down heavyweight division (and lets not get into whether or not he will) if it would change the perspective of some of these people who are saying that he is overrated. I would think it would to a degree, despite the fact that this heavyweight division kind of sucks... In any event, I am of the camp that Tyson is properly rated, not overrated...

Tyson is not over rated IMO, he coulda been a all time great but he messed up his self. He woulda beat Holyfield, Lewis, & Williams in his prime, a Prime mike Tyson is not over rated, a current mike Tyson well... Ill let you kno on june 11th.

most definitely not overrated. one of the most gifted boxers in the history of the sport, held back only by mental issues inside and outside of the ring. even now i think that he could still beat most of the top heavyweights, if he was in shape and mentally focused.

hate to say it about a fellow Irishman, but McBride is on a suicide mission with respect to the upcoming fight with Tyson.

Not over rated.

The best thing to ever happen to boxing in terms of popularity.

Not over rated a prime Tyson gives any heavyweight in history a run for their money. Tyson post Douglas still dangerous but thats how he is looked at being a bigger puncher, but a shadow of his former self. Still he is and never was over
ated.

I dont think Tyson was ever overated even in his prime. I mean he was the youngest heavyweight champion, he fought anyone that was out there. Its just that the heavy weight devision was and still is weak. His speed and power in his prime were just crazy, I saw a video of him shadow boxing it was crazy..he looked like Zab Judah as far as speed is concerened and his head movement was great foot work was great. chin is great as well, he took punches from Razor Ruddock and Ruddock hit crazy hard and was much bigger than him. In his prime he would lay Holyfield out and I love Holyfield but its the truth. Im still impresed with Tyson I mean the guy has been through so much and he is still a threat, I love watching Tyson fight..

Is Iron mike overated. Me personally i say yes. Its not that i doubt his power or his speed. Its just that mike has fought nothin but chumps his whole career. Any real fight that he had he lost. Buster douglas cleaned his clock, holyfield whooped his ass, lewis destroyed his face, Danny Williams "shocked the........." oh wait by this time it was no shock at all, i mean come on this guy even got beat by his Girl Robin Givens. So that is why i say he is overated. Great knockout artist, tenatious fighter, but no heart or skill.
What? Do you disagree.? Tell me why

No man, how can he be overated? He could have been the best heavyweight fighter of all time had he handled himself well. Those loses you mentioned happend because he was a disataer waiting to happen. He lost douglas because he was chasing skirts in japan the night before the fight. He lost to holyfield because he was unprepared. An earlier tyson could have eaten holyfield alive as well as all the other fighters you mentioned.

skills: overrated, can't land a jab or an overhand right anymore

power: extremely overrated, could barely put a dent in a pudgy Danny Williams

marketing ability: completely UNDERrated, he should still be getting at least $10 million per fight with all of the sell-out crowds he draws, combined with better-than-average PPV #'s, but Skelly Finkel and Showtime now get that $$$ rather than Mike
Sac Town thinks there is a relation between power and accuracy. Ok ill explain it to you. Power (which we know he has from previous fights) is when your punch makes an impact on the opponent. Accuracy is basically the chance of a shot landing. U got that now? kool.

Not over rated.

The best thing to ever happen to boxing in terms of popularity.
Yeah but as far as his skills went, he was over-rated.

I think Tyson's most significant win in his career was the two victories over Razzor Ruddock. Anyone of better class beat him.

He was definatly an exciting fighter!

I think a lot of the hype surrounding Mike Tyson is the "Myth". But as far as career acheivements and how and when and by whom he got beaten by, it's doesn't look top class.

It depends who your talking to really, if your talking to a fan they will say no but if your talking to a hater they are obviously going to say yes.

Is Iron mike overated. Me personally i say yes. Its not that i doubt his power or his speed. Its just that mike has fought nothin but chumps his whole career. Any real fight that he had he lost. Buster douglas cleaned his clock, holyfield whooped his ass, lewis destroyed his face, Danny Williams "shocked the........." oh wait by this time it was no shock at all, i mean come on this guy even got beat by his Girl Robin Givens. So that is why i say he is overated. Great knockout artist, tenatious fighter, but no heart or skill.
What? Do you disagree.? Tell me why
Oh yeah, Mikes'overrated by most fans, casual or no.

I'm surprised not many people know how to spell overrated :P I'm sure Tsyon overate with that huge frame of his :p

I'm surprised not many people know how to spell overrated :P I'm sure Tsyon overate with that huge frame of his :p
hahaha, I got it ... this time.

No man, how can he be overated? He could have been the best heavyweight fighter of all time had he handled himself well. Those loses you mentioned happend because he was a disataer waiting to happen. He lost douglas because he was chasing skirts in japan the night before the fight. He lost to holyfield because he was unprepared. An earlier tyson could have eaten holyfield alive as well as all the other fighters you mentioned.


All you did was point out excuses, not facts. Yes, mike was vicious, an animal at the least. But LOOK at the FACTS. Anyone he fought with real skill, he got no only beat by them but destroyed. Look i like tyson myself but dude any time you get beat by someone named "Buster" its time to hang up the gloves

Mike was great at getting inside and unloading beautiful combos on target, maybe better than any other heavyweight, but he never dealt with tough opposition well. So, overrated? Yeah, somewhat, especially if you're listening to one of his die-hard fans, but realistically speaking he had all the tools to be at the top of the heap, he just didn't have the mental toughness for the job. He could, and still can, draw a big ****ing crowd, though. Gotta hand it to him for that.

Mike will be remembered as one of the greatest simple because the man was Heavyweight Champion of the world before he was old wnough to Drink . Imagine you in your senior year , knocking out grown a** men , and becoming the youngest champion ever ? Some of you couldnt even get a date when you were that age let alone knocking out grown a** men who , had been fighting since you were about 5 years old

Maybe it was just that his reputation as a terrier went before him for a lot of his fights?

If you look at the fights a lot of the guys he was facing were terrified before the first bell...

He 'had' a mean hook though and heavy, heavy hands!

Is Iron mike overated. Me personally i say yes. Its not that i doubt his power or his speed. Its just that mike has fought nothin but chumps his whole career. Any real fight that he had he lost. Buster douglas cleaned his clock, holyfield whooped his ass, lewis destroyed his face, Danny Williams "shocked the........." oh wait by this time it was no shock at all, i mean come on this guy even got beat by his Girl Robin Givens. So that is why i say he is overated. Great knockout artist, tenatious fighter, but no heart or skill.
What? Do you disagree.? Tell me why

When Tyson was at the top of his game(Berbick,holmes,spinks,tubbs fights) IMO he was up there with the top heavyweights of all time. But the problem was that he couldn't sustain his greatness and that now he is inconsistent. As far as him fightin chumps his whole career; Holmes,Spinks,Tucker,Smith,Ruddock,Bruno were pretty good chumps.

A prime Tyson had tremendous power, accuracy and speed. I do believe a 1988 Mike Tyson will beat any heavyweight in the history of boxing. However Mike did come in a weak era, but he still fought some good opponents, and totally demolished them. As far as accomplishments go, he accomplished many feats such as being the youngest heavyweight champion at age 20, being the undisputed heavyweight champion, and being the baddest man in the planet. With this and all, I believe many people think Tyson might be overrated because he never overcame any of his losses, and never has beaten any "legends" of this era, eg: Holyfield, Lewis. But it is also a fact that he fought these "legends" after he got out of jail, which we know he was out of his prime and also mentally unstable. So what I'm saying is, I do not believe Tyson was overrated from 1985-1990. But from 1996 to now, he was overrated, but still an attraction.

I know I will almost surely be highly overrating Tyson after he beats McBride in 2 seconds. Always do. Tyson makes me feel like a Cubs fan sometimes. Oh well, I love him anyhow.

Is Iron mike overated. Me personally i say yes. Its not that i doubt his power or his speed. Its just that mike has fought nothin but chumps his whole career. Any real fight that he had he lost. Buster douglas cleaned his clock, holyfield whooped his ass, lewis destroyed his face, Danny Williams "shocked the........." oh wait by this time it was no shock at all, i mean come on this guy even got beat by his Girl Robin Givens. So that is why i say he is overated. Great knockout artist, tenatious fighter, but no heart or skill.
What? Do you disagree.? Tell me why


One thing about great fighters or those considered to be great they all BEAT another great fighter. I cannot say Tyson has beat any great fighters, but he definately lost to some great ones.

A prime Tyson had tremendous power, accuracy and speed. I do believe a 1988 Mike Tyson will beat any heavyweight in the history of boxing. However Mike did come in a weak era, but he still fought some good opponents, and totally demolished them. As far as accomplishments go, he accomplished many feats such as being the youngest heavyweight champion at age 20, being the undisputed heavyweight champion, and being the baddest man in the planet. With this and all, I believe many people think Tyson might be overrated because he never overcame any of his losses, and never has beaten any "legends" of this era, eg: Holyfield, Lewis. But it is also a fact that he fought these "legends" after he got out of jail, which we know he was out of his prime and also mentally unstable. So what I'm saying is, I do not believe Tyson was overrated from 1985-1990. But from 1996 to now, he was overrated, but still an attraction.


good points, there are really two Tyson eras.

Frank Bruno isn't a great fighter? Razor Ruddock? Larry Holmes? Michael Spinks? Brian Nielsen (who only had 1 loss at the time)?


















I was joking about Nielsen of course.

Frank Bruno isn't a great fighter? Razor Ruddock? Larry Holmes? Michael Spinks? Brian Nielsen (who only had 1 loss at the time)?









I was joking about Nielsen of course.

Larry Holmes would be the only one I would consider great, but he was coming out of retirement to fight Tyson, he was done way before he met Tyson

I think yes. A lot of Tyson fans think that he is the greatest fighter of all time, a sort of flawless unbeatable king of the ring but its just not true. I'll explain why: 1) He was ko'd five times, suggesting his chin wasnt top notch.
2) He couldnt fight on the inside. (this comment will cause some argument, but check out a video on Youtube "Mike Tyson was not an inside fighter" it shows that most of his damage was done mid-range and on the inside he did little more than clinch.)
3) He could be out-boxed and frustrated by clever fighters with good movement, check out the first round of the Tyrell Biggs fight and the first min of round four vs Larry Holmes. Both men boxed on their toes and totally neutralized Tyson.
Tyson was a good fighter but not as increadable as people make out.

before 1991 when he ACTUALLY cared about boxing, he wasn't.


after 1991 when he fought for just money, yea he was getting used just for his name.

:sigh1: Was it really ****ing necessary to bump a thread from 2005??!??!!?!?! Holy ****. This was when he was fighting guys. damn.

Frank Bruno isn't a great fighter? Razor Ruddock? Larry Holmes? Michael Spinks?

Tyson is the only one to ever knockout Holmes and he went on to school prime Ray Mercer.

Tyson isn't overrated, from the lists I've seen, he's usually rated among the top 10-15 GHOAT. It's hard to say a guy was overrated when he barely trained and was still demolishing decent-good opposition. He could have done more, but what he did do in his short prime is enough to have him ranked accurately in the top 10-15.

everyone is judging him from the post prison times. it was all downhill from there IMO. 1985-86 - 89/90 he was an animal!

No he is not overrated. Mike's fans perception of him is overrated though.

i dont think he is over-rated
just couldnt handle how good he was,it was all too much

Tyson was an absolute animal, talker, and beast.

This is key to why I think, he's also... overrated.

Tyson is what he is, done what he done, accomplished what he accomplished, and that's all there is to it.

He captured every boxing fans imagination as being the baddest man on the planet, and looked the look! There will never ever be another like him, and that's what makes him special.

I get sick of all these overrated threads...........what happens, happens. how things turn out, is how things turn out.

Now on a lighter note, I'm sick of reading all the Pacman vs. Mayweather ****! Let's talk about it when the fight gets made and when it is a lot closer to happening. :boxing:

Who's doing the rating?

He's very often underrated by some and overrated by others.

No...................

No...................

You suck Sturm, you'd get your ass beat by Pavlik, Williams, and Martinez. And all 3 of them are actually capable of stopping your ass.

he was aaight

he could have been greater though ....

top 5 all time great...if you hated rings...gloves...and mouth pieces to ****...you loved them for those 10-15 minutes he fought...

You suck Sturm, you'd get your ass beat by Pavlik, Williams, and Martinez. And all 3 of them are actually capable of stopping your ass.

Pavlik = was cared of williams..no need to mention him..(b-hop damaged him)

Williams= just won by a small margin against a fighter we never heard of!

Martinez= I'm sorry i haven't heard of him yet!

Why the fu** would you mention sturms name..he's all ur not..at least he's got a gf.

He beat oscar de la hoya too don't forget!

Felix is teamed up with roach now!! He is good Now he's even gonna become better.

Aren't you that guy i gave advice to how to talk to women?

Aren't you that guy who cried for not getting attention from miss dee cole.

If the answer is yes to the questions above..i request from you to stop posting or responding to my posts THANK YOU.

Sturm sucks still. You're so attach to him as if you are his gay lover! Sturm is ****, he got stopped by someone I never heard of!

Pavlik = was cared of williams..no need to mention him..(b-hop damaged him)

Williams= just won by a small margin against a fighter we never heard of!

Martinez= I'm sorry i haven't heard of him yet!

Why the fu** would you mention sturms name..he's all ur not..at least he's got a gf.

He beat oscar de la hoya too don't forget!

Felix is teamed up with roach now!! He is good Now he's even gonna become better.

Aren't you that guy i gave advice to how to talk to women?

Aren't you that guy who cried for not getting attention from miss dee cole.

If the answer is yes to the questions above..i request from you to stop posting or responding to my posts THANK YOU.


He needs to fight someone known nationally to increase his status as a boxer. PERIOD.

He could have beaten anyone that was ever put in front of him if his head was all there......he seemed to lack focus and confidence when faced with adversity in the ring. If he was tougher mentally and didn't have the personal problems maybe he would have retired with something like a 60-0 record.

Sturm sucks still. You're so attach to him as if you are his gay lover! Sturm is ****, he got stopped by someone I never heard of!

Attached?? Na i don't think so,he's my country man so of course i'm gonna support him,we don't have that many boxers.

Why speaking about gay lovers? Weren't you the one posting pictures of yourself on here and asking for opinions even tho you know that 99% of people on here are male,Now that's some insecure gay ****!!

I don't take you serious you can say w/e u want,You cried 4 days when green whooped roy give me a break.

The only boxer sturm got stopped by was Javier Castillejo whos got a record of won 62 (KO 43) + lost 8 (KO 2) + drawn 1 = 72.

So you better sit down and be quiet u insecure loser.

He has been slightly over sensationalized throughout the years, but watching him fight in his prime you cant argue that he could have given trouble to just about any heavyweight ATG, if not beaten most. Imagine him fighting Frazier.

If anything I think his prime is slightly under rated. If he hadn't been destroyed mentally he could have really become a complete package, a truly amazing ATG.