Since DLH's move to welterweight seems almost apparent, who does fight first?

Since DLH's move to welterweight seems almost apparent, who does fight first?


he should fight vernon forrest

he should fight vernon forrest

Now, there is a name that has not surfaced in awhile because of injury! Great pick! You deserve karma for that one!

I would think a Spinks fight makes the most sense. Get all the belts right away with the least amount of risk. I can't see Spinks doing much against Oscar. One fight, three belts. Oscar the business genious strikes again. He'll make moving down in weights acceptable, when before it was considered bad.

I would think a Spinks fight makes the most sense. Get all the belts right away with the least amount of risk. I can't see Spinks doing much against Oscar. One fight, three belts. Oscar the business genious strikes again. He'll make moving down in weights acceptable, when before it was considered bad.

If he could do that it would be brilliant. One name that was bouncing around for a bit was Mayorga. That fight could be awesome, and DLH could probably take it. He might use that as a tune-up if he wants to go for the titles.

the only guy at 147 i'd give a chance against oscar is forrest....

BTW, does mean oscar is conceding he can't beat wright???

To answer your question, I'm thinking a Spinks fight would be the most obvious choice, so he should just go for it.

But what I want to know, do any of you feel that, yeah, it was a good business move, but it's kind of a cop-out? I really like Oscar, naturally, I'm female :) , but I kinda wish he'd be more hard-core.
I just dislike it when boxers do this.

What do you guys think? I am really anti-business, so maybe I'm just thinking goofy. Oh well, I wished and wish the best for Oscar.

To answer your question, I'm thinking a Spinks fight would be the most obvious choice, so he should just go for it.

But what I want to know, do any of you feel that, yeah, it was a good business move, but it's kind of a cop-out? I really like Oscar, naturally, I'm female :) , but I kinda wish he'd be more hard-core.
I just dislike it when boxers do this.

What do you guys think? I am really anti-business, so maybe I'm just thinking goofy. Oh well, I wished and wish the best for Oscar.

Honestly, I believe that he could not sustain the same success in the bigger weight division than he did at the lower weight divisions!

To answer your question, I'm thinking a Spinks fight would be the most obvious choice, so he should just go for it.

But what I want to know, do any of you feel that, yeah, it was a good business move, but it's kind of a cop-out? I really like Oscar, naturally, I'm female :) , but I kinda wish he'd be more hard-core.
I just dislike it when boxers do this.

What do you guys think? I am really anti-business, so maybe I'm just thinking goofy. Oh well, I wished and wish the best for Oscar.

I'm no fan of Oscar, really, but I'd disagree that a move down in weight class was really a business move. The man has proved time and again that he will take risks and take on the big fighter for glory and for the challenge, not for cash. That's what really made his fight against Hopkins so great: it was too men more intersted in legacy than cash fighting for the honour of having beaten the other one.

Hopkins could take on tomato cans and still get big gates by this point. I think he wants to drop down and rack up some Ws to end his career on a good note.

Agreed.
However in my fantasy world, ANY boxer, not just DLH, would tough it out and say "hey I suck at this division. I'm going to make myself un-suck."
I love my fantasy world.

Boxers do it all the time. They go up in weight to challenge a bigger fighter and lose then realize they are not going to be good at that weight and move back down. Gatti did it against Oscar and recently Margarito did it against Santos. I think this move is best for Oscar if he wants to regain the glory he once had. Mosley should be thinking the same thing.

Agreed.
However in my fantasy world, ANY boxer, not just DLH, would tough it out and say "hey I suck at this division. I'm going to make myself un-suck."
I love my fantasy world.


That is a fantasy world that you are living in, maybe you have been giving advice to Holyfield, simply telling him that he is not going to retire until he unsucks at HW. Every fighter has his limit and Oscar has had to face up to that... I believe he would like to start hurting opponents again, the only fighter he has hurt in the last several years was Vargas...I think a move down too welterweight is perfect. Who knows maybe it sets the stage for a down the round fight with KT.

Well since Oscar said September is his month, he should be able to get Forrest by then. Forrest is suppose to me back in May/June, right?

That is a fantasy world that you are living in, maybe you have been giving advice to Holyfield, simply telling him that he is not going to retire until he unsucks at HW. Every fighter has his limit and Oscar has had to face up to that... I believe he would like to start hurting opponents again, the only fighter he has hurt in the last several years was Vargas...I think a move down too welterweight is perfect. Who knows maybe it sets the stage for a down the round fight with KT.


Oh crap. You figured out Evander's dirty little secret...me.

I'm no fan of Oscar, really, but I'd disagree that a move down in weight class was really a business move. The man has proved time and again that he will take risks and take on the big fighter for glory and for the challenge, not for cash. That's what really made his fight against Hopkins so great: it was too men more intersted in legacy than cash fighting for the honour of having beaten the other one.

Hopkins could take on tomato cans and still get big gates by this point. I think he wants to drop down and rack up some Ws to end his career on a good note.
OOOOh man. I agree. I smell some karma coming your way...and way to be unbiased. Very nice.

good move! :)

That is a fantasy world that you are living in, maybe you have been giving advice to Holyfield, simply telling him that he is not going to retire until he unsucks at HW. Every fighter has his limit and Oscar has had to face up to that... I believe he would like to start hurting opponents again, the only fighter he has hurt in the last several years was Vargas...I think a move down too welterweight is perfect. Who knows maybe it sets the stage for a down the round fight with KT.

Hey dumbass. You're not being clever. Did you think that you were original by telling her she lived in a fantasy world? What did you do, get halfway through the first word of her post and stop reading? One of the first things she said was that "in her fantasy world" De la Hoya would "un-suck". (Nice usage of a non-existent word, T-hop. I like it.) In, fact she ended her post by saying that she loved her fantasy world, you stupid ****. She said it was her fantasy world. Twice.

She's a new fan, so cut her come slack. And why don't you find a way to stop being so damn stupid? Yunno, un-dumb yourself or whatever. ****.

I'd love to see him fight Tzsyu.

If Oscar can make 147.....I think it would be good for him to go back there.

First thing, he should drop Floyd Sr. as his trainer.
There's no need for Oscar to keep trying to be a slickster, when he could return to a class where he can put a hurt on people.

Don't count on Oscar-Spinks...Cory is with King, & he's left-handed.

Hey dumbass. You're not being clever. Did you think that you were original by telling her she lived in a fantasy world? What did you do, get halfway through the first word of her post and stop reading? One of the first things she said was that "in her fantasy world" De la Hoya would "un-suck". (Nice usage of a non-existent word, T-hop. I like it.) In, fact she ended her post by saying that she loved her fantasy world, you stupid ****. She said it was her fantasy world. Twice.

She's a new fan, so cut her come slack. And why don't you find a way to stop being so damn stupid? Yunno, un-dumb yourself or whatever. ****.

I meant zero harm by what I said, the fact that she is knew to the site is something I probably should have cut her some slack for. Again I meant ho harm, whats with the foul mouth, look at my post and yours, I read earlier(I may be wrong) that you introduced her too the site, with your words you are obviously very protective of her, which probably means one of two things 1)you are ****ing her or 2) she is a retard(retards need protecting, no doubt)...hmmm, in my fantasy world Nigel Benn never would have gotten back into the ring in the first round against G-man, in my fantasy world Riddick Bowe would have got the decision against Holyfield in the second fight, in my fantasy wolrd OScar would have knocked out Bernard and then fought Vitaly for the heavy weight crown, in my fantasy world Ali would have dominated Holmes, stuck around for a few years and then fought Tyson....This is an overreaction on my part to the ladies post...do you think you overreacted at all? Unless she's five I would bet that she doesn't need you jumping in to protect her...oh if she is retarded that counts too, if either of these two apply then I was way out of line and I apologize.

As for me finding a way to stop being so damn stupid...I don't think that will ever happen, if you have read any of my posts in the past you will clearly see that I have trouble putting even simple sentences together, maybe you need to cut me some slack...after all you have proved that I am somewhat slow...again I apologize miss.

Cory spinks.

ya know, if tszyu were 5'10" and 147-154, i'd take him over oscar

I have mixed feelings about Oscar's "business decision" to move down to the welterweight division. Yes, it's a smart move in regards to prolonging ones dominance within a sport, but I was hoping to see him at least fight Hopkins again or Strum and Trinidad. Those names would bring him more money-(ok, maybe not the Strum fight)but the Trinidad or Hopkins rematch would be bigger money than let's say a Spinks or Judah match would.

I have mixed feelings about Oscar's "business decision" to move down to the welterweight division. Yes, it's a smart move in regards to prolonging ones dominance within a sport, but I was hoping to see him at least fight Hopkins again or Strum and Trinidad. Those names would bring him more money-(ok, maybe not the Strum fight)but the Trinidad or Hopkins rematch would be bigger money than let's say a Spinks or Judah match would.

The Trinidad's have already nixed the rematch with Oscar...Oscar has went above and beyond what 99.9% of fighters do too secure a rematch...there is nothing left he could have done to get Tito back in the ring. Apparently the Trinidad's feel that they beat OScar so bad the first time that a rematch is useless...here you have every fighter in the sport foaming at the mouth to get a piece of the Hoya lottery and the one guy that could turn the fight purse into the powerball lottery does not want to make the fight...this puzzles me why DON and FELIX won't take this fight-the money that could be made is absolutely ridiculous.

The Trinidad's have already nixed the rematch with Oscar...Oscar has went above and beyond what 99.9% of fighters do too secure a rematch...there is nothing left he could have done to get Tito back in the ring. Apparently the Trinidad's feel that they beat OScar so bad the first time that a rematch is useless...here you have every fighter in the sport foaming at the mouth to get a piece of the Hoya lottery and the one guy that could turn the fight purse into the powerball lottery does not want to make the fight...this puzzles me why DON and FELIX won't take this fight-the money that could be made is absolutely ridiculous.

I think both Oscar and Tito are both to blame for the rematch not happening. Tito well actually Don King and Trinidad Sr. have said that in order for the rematch to take place Tito should get the bigger portion of the pot. Oscar and Bob Arum on the other tried to offer Trinidad next to nothing the way they did with Mosley. Mosley was dumb enough to go for that and you know Don King isn't going to let that happen to his cash cow especially since Tito does own a victory over Oscar.

The Trinidad's have already nixed the rematch with Oscar...Oscar has went above and beyond what 99.9% of fighters do too secure a rematch...there is nothing left he could have done to get Tito back in the ring. Apparently the Trinidad's feel that they beat OScar so bad the first time that a rematch is useless...here you have every fighter in the sport foaming at the mouth to get a piece of the Hoya lottery and the one guy that could turn the fight purse into the powerball lottery does not want to make the fight...this puzzles me why DON and FELIX won't take this fight-the money that could be made is absolutely ridiculous.

I've heard Papa Trinidad say that for a rematch with DLH they want the same contract as in the 1st fight, but Tito getting the money that DLH got in the first fight and viceversa...And that DLH doesn't agree to dat...

I've heard Papa Trinidad say that for a rematch with DLH they want the same contract as in the 1st fight, but Tito getting the money that DLH got in the first fight and viceversa...And that DLH doesn't agree to dat...

I would love to see that do you know where I can find it??? Just recently Don Felix was saying that OScar did not deserve to fight Tito, he said they would never fight again. If the Trinidads really wanted this fight then they should make what you say above common knowledge to the entire boxing world, call Oscar out so too speak...maybe it is and I am missing something-but Oscar has lobbied for this fight and it has fallen on deaf ears...you may love Tito but for some wierd reason he is not interested in fighting HOYA again.

If they do fight the terms should be 50-50, Oscar is the bigger draw (not by alot)and Tito is coming off a big win(OScar is not)...translation 50-50. If Don Felix thinks they deserve more money then he is simply saying indirectly that they don't want the fight.

I would love to see that do you know where I can find it??? Just recently Don Felix was saying that OScar did not deserve to fight Tito, he said they would never fight again. If the Trinidads really wanted this fight then they should make what you say above common knowledge to the entire boxing world, call Oscar out so too speak...maybe it is and I am missing something-but Oscar has lobbied for this fight and it has fallen on deaf ears...you may love Tito but for some wierd reason he is not interested in fighting HOYA again.

If they do fight the terms should be 50-50, Oscar is the bigger draw (not by alot)and Tito is coming off a big win(OScar is not)...translation 50-50. If Don Felix thinks they deserve more money then he is simply saying indirectly that they don't want the fight.

Ya I know, it all personal **** btw them, I think that it all started when DLH said in an interview b4 their fight that 10 millions where to much for a Puerto Rican...If you have a copy of the fight you can see that when Merchant is interviewing(?) Oscar and Tito after the fight Tito tells Oscar "Tell me know if I'm worth the 10 millions"...And Oscar didn't answer him.

The Trinidads have found excuses for not giving DLH a rematch. I don't think many are more deserviing of a rematch with a fighter than DLH against Trinidad. NO way DLH lost that fight. I can't even find a professional that thinks DLH lost.

I would love to see that do you know where I can find it??? Just recently Don Felix was saying that OScar did not deserve to fight Tito, he said they would never fight again. If the Trinidads really wanted this fight then they should make what you say above common knowledge to the entire boxing world, call Oscar out so too speak...maybe it is and I am missing something-but Oscar has lobbied for this fight and it has fallen on deaf ears...you may love Tito but for some wierd reason he is not interested in fighting HOYA again.

If they do fight the terms should be 50-50, Oscar is the bigger draw (not by alot)and Tito is coming off a big win(OScar is not)...translation 50-50. If Don Felix thinks they deserve more money then he is simply saying indirectly that they don't want the fight.

It was on ********** before Tito retired. 50-50 would never work with them especially since Delahoya lost his last fight. I think they are trying to do what Oscar tries to do to everyone else.

I would love to see that do you know where I can find it???

Trinidad wants to profit more in possible De La Hoya rematch
By Dan Rafael, USA TODAY
Felix Trinidad is willing to end his 19-month retirement to fight a long-awaited rematch with Oscar De La Hoya, but only on his terms.
Trinidad, through his father-manager Felix Trinidad Sr. and attorney Nicolas Medina, has authorized promoter Don King to send to De La Hoya representative Richard Schaefer a detailed proposal for a rematch of the highest-grossing non-heavyweight fight ever.

De La Hoya, however, is unlikely to accept the deal, which simply reverses terms of their 1999 welterweight unification fight.

"He needs Felix more than Felix needs him," Medina said Wednesday. "We are giving him the same treatment he gave us. We are giving him a chance or he can lose the opportunity of his life."

Medina said if De La Hoya didn't agree, Trinidad would pursue a rematch with Bernard Hopkins, who handed him his only defeat, or a fight with Shane Mosley.

Consider the gambit Trinidad's opening salvo for what surely will be harsh talks. The head games have already begun. De La Hoya has tried in vain to speak to Trinidad. Trinidad, a former three-division champ, won't speak to him.

"If he keeps saying he wants to hear Tito talk, that's kid stuff," Medina said. "This is serious. He has a formal, detailed offer on the table. What he decides is his responsibility. If he throws it out, well, we tried. We will not lose sleep. He's the one who needs vindication."

Schaefer said he hadn't yet received the proposal and was growing weary of speculation.

"Let's forget about playing these games," he said. "If he can't come out and say he wants to fight, forget this (stuff). I would love nothing better to focus on the Trinidad fight, but nobody has heard directly from Tito Trinidad yet. I'm busy negotiating fights for fighters that are active. I don't have the luxury to negotiate a fight where one fighter is retired."

For the first fight, De La Hoya received the lion's share of a 60-40 split. Trinidad won, albeit on a controversial decision, and is offering the deal he received: $10.5 million plus $8 per pay-per-view buy above 850,000 homes. The first fight generated 1.4 million buys. A rematch is projected to surpass it.

"De La Hoya has been calling for the rematch," Medina said. "Now, what Felix is telling him is, 'If you want me to come out of retirement, this is how we do it.' The ball is in their court. They have an opportunity to get Felix out of retirement."

King is undaunted by what could be brutal negotiations.

"That at least opens the door for discussion," King said of the proposal. "Naturally, Schaefer can come back with a counteroffer and we can sit in a room and get it done. If he comes back with something else, fine. If they really want to meet, we can get this fight on in five minutes. We can resolve this."

Trinidad's offer sets the fight at middleweight (160 pounds), where he boxed his last three fights. De La Hoya has never fought above junior middleweight (154).

If they come to terms, the fight would happen in November and Trinidad would not take a tuneup, meaning he'd be idle for 2½ years.

Medina insisted that Trinidad needed either a yes or no answer on the proposal. Eventually he conceded a little wiggle room.

"If they answer yes, Felix will announce he will come out of retirement. If they answer no, they're leaving aside the possibility of a rematch," he said. "If they made a counterproposal, we'd have to analyze it. If they made a counterproposal, you have to check it out."

Hey I appreciate it bud....but...this was said when Felix was in retirement and Oscar was courting Felix over dinner etc. Don Felix has been directly asked since since the MAyorga fight and flat out said no way. Like I said earlier it should be a 50-50 split, would you agree on that? Telling a guy like Oscar that he gets 40% is probably not acceptable, I think OScar should put a scenario (I wish more fights were done this way)where the winner takes the 60% and the loser takes the 40%. Anyways this is a fight that I would have loved to see, it is too bad.

Hey I appreciate it bud....but...this was said when Felix was in retirement and Oscar was courting Felix over dinner etc. Don Felix has been directly asked since since the MAyorga fight and flat out said no way. Like I said earlier it should be a 50-50 split, would you agree on that? Telling a guy like Oscar that he gets 40% is probably not acceptable, I think OScar should put a scenario (I wish more fights were done this way)where the winner takes the 60% and the loser takes the 40%. Anyways this is a fight that I would have loved to see, it is too bad.

ya bro I agree 100%....but I think that if DLH wants that rematch so bad he would agree to Trinidad's proposal.

Hey I appreciate it bud....but...this was said when Felix was in retirement and Oscar was courting Felix over dinner etc. Don Felix has been directly asked since since the MAyorga fight and flat out said no way. Like I said earlier it should be a 50-50 split, would you agree on that? Telling a guy like Oscar that he gets 40% is probably not acceptable, I think OScar should put a scenario (I wish more fights were done this way)where the winner takes the 60% and the loser takes the 40%. Anyways this is a fight that I would have loved to see, it is too bad.

Hey man, I like this idea about the winner taking 60% of the purse. I think it would make the fight game more interesting. It would cancel out all the B.S. that happens regarding negotiations. Nice thread!

Ricky Hatton will be perfect choice.

This Thread is great :D Last thursday(boxeo de oro) De la Hoya said he wasn't sure about his return yet. :confused:

DLH should avoid Forrest as his first welter fight, I think Forrest beats DLH if he doesnt get a warm up first.

DLH should just take an durable fighter when he first moves back down.