View Full Version : I think UFC is desperate..


'Sugar' Freddi
03-30-2010, 11:53 AM
by looking at UFC:112. They got their biggest stars in the card, A. Silva, Penn, and Hughes. I think they're a little desperate for PPV buys right now.

D-MiZe
03-30-2010, 12:03 PM
Or they know what the fans want to see?

'Sugar' Freddi
03-30-2010, 12:07 PM
Or they know what the fans want to see?

Usually they have one big star per PPV but now they got 3. Of course the fans want to see them but it's not a smart thing business wise for UFC.

Ether
03-30-2010, 12:21 PM
Well Dana White purposely put UFC's last ppv on the same weekend as wrestlemania to try and prove more people are into UFC. But this weekend I think he chose the wrong ppv to try and outsell, it's wrestlings biggest event.

Someone post the ppv sales on both.

SnoopySmurf
03-30-2010, 12:28 PM
I used to rag on WWE back in the day. But then I realized these guys know their **** and would kick most people's asses on the skills they know. I'm not saying they all could come to the UFC and be champs like one particular bohemoth.

-Swizzy-
03-30-2010, 03:26 PM
Usually they have one big star per PPV but now they got 3. Of course the fans want to see them but it's not a smart thing business wise for UFC.
you don't watch much mma do you? Almost every UFC ppv has multiple stars. There is almost always at least 2 major fights on every card and 1 semi-major card. This card pretty much follows that formula like any other.

Well Dana White purposely put UFC's last ppv on the same weekend as wrestlemania to try and prove more people are into UFC. But this weekend I think he chose the wrong ppv to try and outsell, it's wrestlings biggest event.

Someone post the ppv sales on both.
Dana White doesn't give a **** about wrestling. Wrestling is not even a direct competitor to the UFC. They NEVER ever have a ppv on the same day. Dana doesn't care what WWE's ppv numbers are. I don't know where you get this info from.

Ether
03-30-2010, 03:46 PM
Actually he's twice before put his ppvs the same day as boxing ones(to try and prove more people are into MMA) and was going for this weekend against wrestlemania.

kaps
03-30-2010, 03:58 PM
Actually he's twice before put his ppvs the same day as boxing ones(to try and prove more people are into MMA) and was going for this weekend against wrestlemania.

This is false. He had no intentions of going against WM, wrestling PPVS are always on Sundays. UFC was on Saturday. When ****e held that fight night on the same night as Raw Dana didn't like it....

F l i c k e r
03-30-2010, 04:47 PM
They aren't desperate, fights got pushed back due to injuries which enabled a stacked card.


This ain't NSB, we don't give a damn about ppv buys. We just want to see entertainment.

the traveler
03-30-2010, 05:10 PM
lol at kwissy. Still posting on here? You're so stupid you should get your posting rights revoked just for being a complete dumbass.

-Swizzy-
03-30-2010, 05:39 PM
lol at kwissy. Still posting on here? You're so stupid you should get your posting rights revoked just for being a complete dumbass.

you're a born hater. you hate on others for their opinions when your opinions are the most screwed. I feel pity for you. I feel sorry for anyone that knows you in real life.

American_Ninja
03-30-2010, 05:50 PM
by looking at UFC:112. They got their biggest stars in the card, A. Silva, Penn, and Hughes. I think they're a little desperate for PPV buys right now.

Obviously, with the HW division, in a complete shambles, and the
WW division void of any talent. Add to that the fact that the MW division needs a real champion. Then yes they are desperate.

TheNegation
03-30-2010, 07:13 PM
This ain't NSB, we don't give a damn about ppv buys. We just want to see entertainment.

This.

PPV's like UFC 112 aren't uncommon for the UFC or other MMA promotions.

Boxing or Boxing Elitists have no room to criticize MMA's business methods, given boxing has lost sight of what the fans want.

Which pisses me off because there are so many good match-ups in boxing but politics and money ****s everything up.

Not saying that this doesn't happen in MMA, but not near as often as in boxing.

Lakas
03-30-2010, 09:38 PM
The UFC markets all their fighters as theyre all superstars and try to say there are no superstars in boxing. There are more superstars in boxing than MMA ever has.



Thats why i prefer to watch Boxing. But on any given day i will watch mma for the hell of it

them_apples
03-30-2010, 09:47 PM
you don't watch much mma do you? Almost every UFC ppv has multiple stars. There is almost always at least 2 major fights on every card and 1 semi-major card. This card pretty much follows that formula like any other.


Dana White doesn't give a **** about wrestling. Wrestling is not even a direct competitor to the UFC. They NEVER ever have a ppv on the same day. Dana doesn't care what WWE's ppv numbers are. I don't know where you get this info from.

How is wrestling and UFC not in competition? They share the same damn fanbase and you know this.

TheNegation
03-30-2010, 09:52 PM
How is wrestling and UFC not in competition? They share the same damn fanbase and you know this.

Is that a fact?

the traveler
03-30-2010, 10:17 PM
you're a born hater. you hate on others for their opinions when your opinions are the most screwed. I feel pity for you. I feel sorry for anyone that knows you in real life.

lol my opinions are the most screwed? Dumbass can't even speak proper english. You post a video 7 years ago as proof of a fighters talent today and you call my "opinions the most screwed"? Either your mother was drunk as a bird when she was pregnant with you or you got dropped on your head as a baby.

mic573
03-30-2010, 10:33 PM
Well before the UFC began to saturate ppv with a card damn near every other week the cards used to be stacked with pretty good fights. Now they have to stretch out the talent which makes for some weak and very weak cards at times.

Shadow boxer 3
03-30-2010, 10:36 PM
having a stacked card sounds like a smart move to me. thats something boxing could learn from UFC

kaps
03-30-2010, 11:02 PM
The UFC markets all their fighters as theyre all superstars and try to say there are no superstars in boxing. There are more superstars in boxing than MMA ever has.



Thats why i prefer to watch Boxing. But on any given day i will watch mma for the hell of it

They've never said this. Boxing at the moment has 2 superstars. The UFC can sale a card with it's brand almost as well as it can with certain fighters, but of course some fighters are going to draw more people....

kaps
03-30-2010, 11:03 PM
How is wrestling and UFC not in competition? They share the same damn fanbase and you know this.

This is ignorant...

Sandwich
03-31-2010, 03:31 AM
Usually they have one big star per PPV but now they got 3. Of course the fans want to see them but it's not a smart thing business wise for UFC.

Usually there are several big fights per card (though there have been more frequent cards with fewer big names over the last few months). To be completely honest, we were seeing cards that were more stacked than 112 in the past.

The UFC is definitely not hurting for PPV sales though. They've had 6 of the top 10 PPV events for the last 4 years straight.

No1
03-31-2010, 12:53 PM
Dont know your complaining, recently the ufc has put on some really really bad cards, whether due to injury or not. this card starts a good few months for the ufc. Im most looking forward to the rematch of machida vs shogun, Hope shogun ko's his ass.
112 was going to be so much better than it is. a.silva will walk all over maia. whereas if he fough belfort, then it would have been a great fight imo.

signzoe
04-01-2010, 08:43 PM
Seems so, without brock and the wwe fanbase mma will never sell a million ppv's again

Kakutogi-Gumi
04-01-2010, 09:32 PM
by looking at UFC:112. They got their biggest stars in the card, A. Silva, Penn, and Hughes. I think they're a little desperate for PPV buys right now.

Or...they're commemorating the work Abu Dahbi has done for the sport by putting on a killer card.

Kakutogi-Gumi
04-01-2010, 09:36 PM
Well Dana White purposely put UFC's last ppv on the same weekend as wrestlemania to try and prove more people are into UFC. But this weekend I think he chose the wrong ppv to try and outsell, it's wrestlings biggest event.

Someone post the ppv sales on both.

This is irrelevant.

Actually he's twice before put his ppvs the same day as boxing ones(to try and prove more people are into MMA) and was going for this weekend against wrestlemania.

This is Boxing fan talk. UFC sets up cards months ahead. It's the Boxing promoters who set up cards the same day as MMA cards. This is due to ignorance and insecurity.

Kakutogi-Gumi
04-01-2010, 09:39 PM
How is wrestling and UFC not in competition? They share the same damn fanbase and you know this.

Sports Entertainment fans are not martial arts fans. If they were, then martial arts tournaments would have larger venues.

hateinyaeyes32
04-02-2010, 05:01 AM
by looking at UFC:112. They got their biggest stars in the card, A. Silva, Penn, and Hughes. I think they're a little desperate for PPV buys right now.
They are kind of desperate right now, but the thing that pisses me off about this card... Is that they have both title holders fighting less than worthy opposotion for the belts, it's a disgrace.

MJ406
04-02-2010, 11:57 AM
Silva was supposed to fight Belfort, because of injuries the opponent had to change

and Penn vs pretty much anyone at Lightweight looks like a mismatch regardless

if anything the UFC signing James Toney was a desperate move, especially considering how much Dana White rips on boxing for being such a boring sport

and for him to go out and sign an out of weigh, out of prime, old fat heavyweight .... I fail to see the need.

going back to UFC 112 next weekend again what's so desperate about having 2 title defenses on one card? Wouldn't Penn + Silva together sell better?

they did the same thing with Penn + Silva fighting at the 101 card .. and this time Anderson is defending his title

Usually they have one big star per PPV but now they got 3. Of course the fans want to see them but it's not a smart thing business wise for UFC.

why isn't it smart business? that's a bold thing to say, without anything to support it

Penn + Anderson on the same card should = more drawing power and as a result more PPV buys

would you suggest the opposite then? only having 1 star. the UFC is going into a brand new market in regards to Abu Dhabi and wants to capture the public interest

yes the UFC brand name sells, but so do stars ... granted because of injuries the match ups aren't exactly ideal

but given the situation of the UFC going to a new market in the Arab Embasy

how is putting 2 champions and relatively big names a bad thing?

[QUOTE=Ether;7938189 Someone post the ppv sales on both.[/QUOTE]

I stopped watching wrestling quite some time ago, but I am kind of curious to see how Wrestlemania did. I've read that pro wrestling is falling off a bit ... any truth to that?

Kakutogi-Gumi
04-02-2010, 02:17 PM
if anything the UFC signing James Toney was a desperate move, especially considering how much Dana White rips on boxing for being such a boring sport

and for him to go out and sign an out of weigh, out of prime, old fat heavyweight .... I fail to see the need.


1. Showtime wanted to do Toney vs. Walker

2. Dana got real tired of sports media hanging off of Herschel Walker's nuts and is using Toney as bait to make the sports media look like idiots.

3. Dana has morbid curiosity.

MJ406
04-02-2010, 07:49 PM
1. Toney will probably make more money with the UFC. What's your source on the Showtime bit?

2. How does Dana signing an old boxer make the sports media look dumb? considering how critical he's (White) been about the boringness of boxing

the last thing I'd expect is for the President of the UFC to do is sign a boxer.

kaps
04-02-2010, 07:53 PM
1. Toney will probably make more money with the UFC. What's your source on the Showtime bit?

2. How does Dana signing an old boxer make the sports media look dumb? considering how critical he's (White) been about the boringness of boxing

the last thing I'd expect is for the President of the UFC to do is sign a boxer.

Toney wanted the UFC not the other way around. Dana is just shutting him up. Also, your hate for Dana is not unfounded but he's a huge boxing fan, and if you don't think there are boring boxing fights you're insane...

MJ406
04-02-2010, 08:03 PM
Toney wanted the UFC not the other way around. Dana is just shutting him up. Also, your hate for Dana is not unfounded but he's a huge boxing fan, and if you don't think there are boring boxing fights you're insane...

your right ... Toney did want in the UFC. And I don't "Hate" Dana .. he's done some great things for MMA .. but you need to look at what he's said about boxing

have you ever heard Dana White talk in an interview? pretty much every time he speaks it's "Floyd Mayweather is boring" ... the man sounds like a broken record

no **** boxing has boring fights .. I never said it didn't, but from hearing Dana White speak on boxing you'd think boxing was boring all the time

because all I hear Dana White talk about for the most part is Floyd Mayweather Jr, and how "all Floyd's fights" are boring.

and besides if Dana really was a "huge boxing fan" as you say ... then why does he bash boxing all the time?

a huge fan of the sport wouldn't do that.

if you happened to catch the post fight press conference @ UFC 111 the first retort Dana White had to fans calling the GSP-Hardy boring

was to (surprise) bring up Floyd Mayweather Jr

if im a so called "hater" of Dana White

then what is he of boxing? because he can't be a huge fan when he bashes the sport almost every chance he gets

GSP-Hardy gets called boring and the first thing Dana can come up with is "Oh well Floyd Mayweather is boring all the time"

bukakke
04-02-2010, 08:12 PM
Dana signed Toney because he didn't want him to go to Strikeforce. Dana originally turned Toney down but Toney than used Strikeforce to leverage a deal with the UFC.

Also early buyrate estimates for UFC 111 indicate that it got 850,000 buys.

TheNegation
04-02-2010, 08:20 PM
your right ... Toney did want in the UFC. And I don't "Hate" Dana .. he's done some great things for MMA .. but you need to look at what he's said about boxing

have you ever heard Dana White talk in an interview? pretty much every time he speaks it's "Floyd Mayweather is boring" ... the man sounds like a broken record

no **** boxing has boring fights .. I never said it didn't, but from hearing Dana White speak on boxing you'd think boxing was boring all the time

because all I hear Dana White talk about for the most part is Floyd Mayweather Jr, and how "all Floyd's fights" are boring.

and besides if Dana really was a "huge boxing fan" as you say ... then why does he bash boxing all the time?

a huge fan of the sport wouldn't do that.

if you happened to catch the post fight press conference @ UFC 111 the first retort Dana White had to fans calling the GSP-Hardy boring

was to (surprise) bring up Floyd Mayweather Jr

if im a so called "hater" of Dana White

then what is he of boxing? because he can't be a huge fan when he bashes the sport almost every chance he gets

GSP-Hardy gets called boring and the first thing Dana can come up with is "Oh well Floyd Mayweather is boring all the time"

Dana bashes boxing to bring attention and attract people to his brand.

Floyd bashes MMA to draw attention to his fights.

Dana doesn't hate MMA, he wouldn't have paid to sit ringside and watch Pac/Clottey if he hated boxing.

I can't say Floyd doesn't hate MMA, but again it's just how they sell their fights/brands.

Although Floyd strokes his own ego so much, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually did hate MMA.

MJ406
04-02-2010, 08:31 PM
hate is a strong word to use.

but im just sayin .. GSP-Hardy was called boring and one of the first thing White comments back is about Floyd Mayweather

what the hell does Floyd Mayweather have to do with the GSP-Hardy fight?

yeah you are right though .. so many promoters, presidents, athletes play to the media it gets kind of hard to tell how they actually feel

**but who really cares .. anyone can talk (using another example) but just because Rashad Evans talks about knocking out Thiago Silva in the build up to UFC 108 ... doesn't mean he'll actually fight like that come fight night

in the long run, it's just talking anyone can do it. Rashad didn't fight to finish Thiago and I won't hold it against him or lose any sleep over it.

TheNegation
04-02-2010, 08:42 PM
hate is a strong word to use.

but im just sayin .. GSP-Hardy was called boring and one of the first thing White comments back is about Floyd Mayweather

what the hell does Floyd Mayweather have to do with the GSP-Hardy fight?

I never hear Dana reference Floyd pertaining to GSP/Hardy. But in a way, GSP fights a very smart, tactical and conservative way, much like Floyd. He doesn't over extent himself, fights where he is the strongest and humiliates very good fighters in doing so.

So you could make an argument for comparison there.

Some people think fighting smart is boring. But as a fight fan you need to learn to appreciate guys that employ actual strategy when they fight.

yeah you are right though .. so many promoters, presidents, athletes play to the media it gets kind of hard to tell how they actually feel

**but who really cares .. anyone can talk (using another example) but just because Rashad Evans talks about knocking out Thiago Silva in the build up to UFC 108 ... doesn't mean he'll actually fight like that come fight night

in the long run, it's just talking anyone can do it. Rashad didn't fight to finish Thiago and I won't hold it against him or lose any sleep over it.

Agreed. Everyone can talk and hype a fight so when Dana bashes boxing in the media or Floyd bashes MMA in the media. I take it with a grain of salt.

IMO, these guy are just trying to sell their ****. And when people get all pissy about it, you are essentially doing exactly what they want you to do....pay attention

Kakutogi-Gumi
04-02-2010, 08:46 PM
1. Toney will probably make more money with the UFC. What's your source on the Showtime bit?

2. How does Dana signing an old boxer make the sports media look dumb? considering how critical he's (White) been about the boringness of boxing

the last thing I'd expect is for the President of the UFC to do is sign a boxer.

1. Actually, it was from Toney himself. While he does BS a lot, this particular information does have legs. Coker is co-promoting with a couple of top promotions, yet you got Bobby Lashley and Herschel Walker fighting bad matchups on a Strikeforce card. This is because Showtime/CBS is picking and pushing fights they think people want to see while actual good fighters are still stuck on Challengers cards.

2. They gave more airtime to Walker then any real MMA fighter. That's a slap in the face to Dana. He's just now realizes that they were giving him free BJs just to hang off Brock Lesnar's nuts. And not because he's a fighter, more because he's a wrassler. So the idea is to push the **** out of Toney as a "serious fighter" so as to get them on Toney's nuts and then when Toney's smashed and the media talks about how lame it was, Dana can point out that it was lame because they were nuthugging.

I didn't say it was a good plan.

MJ406
04-06-2010, 11:58 PM
Regarding Toney/Hershal ... is that kinda the same idea Elite XC was trying to do with Kimbo?

Kakutogi-Gumi
04-07-2010, 12:18 AM
Regarding Toney/Hershal ... is that kinda the same idea Elite XC was trying to do with Kimbo?

Could've been.

Who knew what went on in the Shaws heads.

Besides fixing fights.

MJ406
04-07-2010, 02:53 PM
well that whole "paying Seth to stand" bit was shady as hell.

and to think ... had Kimbo fought Shamrock, he most likely would have squashed him and moved on to bigger fish like Butterbean or Ray Mercer even (this time in a non exibition bout.)

snakey112
04-08-2010, 11:44 AM
dana doesn't hate boxing, he just hates the way it is run

he also dislikes floyd mayweather himself, not boxing as a sport

kaps
04-08-2010, 03:27 PM
dana doesn't hate boxing, he just hates the way it is run

he also dislikes floyd mayweather himself, not boxing as a sport

I find it hard to believe anybody likes Mayweather as a person...

The Gully Gad
04-08-2010, 03:37 PM
Or they know what the fans want to see?

This.......

truushot
04-09-2010, 10:39 PM
My understanding is part ownership of the UFC was sold to an interest in Abu Dhabi. This is why the card is stacked. Opening a new venue, with part ownership they wanted to put the best fighters on show. IT is still all about money.

Kakutogi-Gumi
04-10-2010, 01:59 AM
Meh.

Abu Dahbi would have been hit even if Station wasn't in a bit of trouble. They're sort of an institute in helping keeping fighters afloat as well as set the grappling world to the next level.

It's just right time right place and everyone is healthy.

MJ406
04-10-2010, 10:55 AM
This is why the card is stacked. Opening a new venue, with part ownership they wanted to put the best fighters on show. IT is still all about money.

to a certain extent aren't pretty much all business' about the money?

after all it costs the UFC to put on the show right?

so why wouldn't it be about the money? Dana and all parties involved want some kind of profit for this show.

**I heard the same thing about the UFC having to sell part of their ownership.