View Full Version : What Types Of Drugs Was Joe Louis Addicted To?


cotto16
03-29-2010, 10:06 PM
Is this true? That Louis evetually became addicted to herion?

CarlosG815
03-29-2010, 10:51 PM
I read before that he was addicted to heroin, alcohol and other drugs, and was involved with the crooks of boxing and other shady people.

Thread Stealer
03-29-2010, 11:17 PM
Cocaine. Maybe some other stuff too.

Ziggy Stardust
03-29-2010, 11:19 PM
The heroin I hadn't heard. I knew later in life he became addicted to coke.

Poet

JAB5239
03-30-2010, 12:51 AM
I read before that he was addicted to heroin, alcohol and other drugs, and was involved with the crooks of boxing and other shady people.

He developed a cocaine and alcohol habit after his career was over and his son had him committed for his own good. Im interested where you read he was addicted to heroin and involved with "the crooks of boxing", do you have a source? As far as the "other shady people" part.....many, many, many celebrities and athletes have had associations with people that have less than stellar reputations. I hardly think Louis is the exception. In fact, I know he isn't.

CarlosG815
03-30-2010, 12:53 AM
He developed a cocaine and alcohol habit after his career was over and his son had him committed for his own good. Im interested where you read he was addicted to heroin and involved with "the crooks of boxing", do you have a source? As far as the "other shady people" part.....many, many, many celebrities and athletes have had associations with people that have less than stellar reputations. I hardly think Louis is the exception. In fact, I know he isn't.

I will see if I can dig it up.

CarlosG815
03-30-2010, 12:56 AM
Here is an article that mentions it.
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2003/01/12/story41253528.asp


Instead of an honourable retirement, Louis was swallowed up by the sharks circling the boxing business, and gradually pulled into the netherworld of drugs, drink, violence and the mob.

It spat him out in the late-1960s; broke and addicted to heroin. Louis' third wife helped to pull him back from the brink of self destruction. But one of the greatest ever heavyweight champions in the world was to finish his life as a 'meeter and greeter' at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas.

What I read had a little more detail but I can't seem to find it. He suffered from massive paranoia always thinking the mob was after him and that the crooks he had conspired with were always trying to kill him.

JAB5239
03-30-2010, 12:57 AM
I will see if I can dig it up.

That would be cool. Thank you.

Ziggy Stardust
03-30-2010, 12:57 AM
He developed a cocaine and alcohol habit after his career was over and his son had him committed for his own good. Im interested where you read he was addicted to heroin and involved with "the crooks of boxing", do you have a source? As far as the "other shady people" part.....many, many, many celebrities and athletes have had associations with people that have less than stellar reputations. I hardly think Louis is the exception. In fact, I know he isn't.

The shady person in question is Ash Resnik who was a known mob-figure in Vegas. Resnik had been a fan of Louis back in the day and when he heard about Louis' financial straights he gave him a job at his casino.

Poet

JAB5239
03-30-2010, 01:01 AM
The shady person in question is Ash Resnik who was a known mob-figure in Vegas. Resnik had been a fan of Louis back in the day and when he heard about Louis' financial straights he gave him a job at his casino.

Poet

I thought it was in reference to his career, my bad. But as I've said, many fighters have had associations with such people, I don't see it as a big deal unless a career was actually being manipulated.

Ziggy Stardust
03-30-2010, 01:05 AM
I thought it was in reference to his career, my bad. But as I've said, many fighters have had associations with such people, I don't see it as a big deal unless a career was actually being manipulated.

Liston was also associated with Lesnick: In fact, the rumor was at the time that it was Lesnick who ordered Sonny "rubbed out".

Poet

CarlosG815
03-30-2010, 01:07 AM
I thought it was in reference to his career, my bad. But as I've said, many fighters have had associations with such people, I don't see it as a big deal unless a career was actually being manipulated.

No, all of this went down after he retired and was broke.

JAB5239
03-30-2010, 01:07 AM
Liston was also associated with Lesnick: In fact, the rumor was at the time that it was Lesnick who ordered Sonny "rubbed out".

Poet

I didn't know that. I appreciate the info my friend.

mickey malone
03-30-2010, 01:28 AM
Here is an article that mentions it.
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2003/01/12/story41253528.asp


Instead of an honourable retirement, Louis was swallowed up by the sharks circling the boxing business, and gradually pulled into the netherworld of drugs, drink, violence and the mob.

It spat him out in the late-1960s; broke and addicted to heroin. Louis' third wife helped to pull him back from the brink of self destruction. But one of the greatest ever heavyweight champions in the world was to finish his life as a 'meeter and greeter' at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas.

What I read had a little more detail but I can't seem to find it. He suffered from massive paranoia always thinking the mob was after him and that the crooks he had conspired with were always trying to kill him.
I've seen it somewhere too.. He got into the party scene after he retired, and enjoyed a few lines of coke to begin with.. Like all addictions, it probably got out of control and he may have gone on to heroin when his money ran out, which is familiar story you'll hear from a lot of drug addicts..

I'm fairly confident he wasn't into drugs as a fighter though.. Perhaps, had this been the case, he'd have come out for the 8th and done an 'Aaron Pryor' on Marciano lol.

JAB5239
03-30-2010, 01:53 AM
Here is an article that mentions it.
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2003/01/12/story41253528.asp


Instead of an honourable retirement, Louis was swallowed up by the sharks circling the boxing business, and gradually pulled into the netherworld of drugs, drink, violence and the mob.

It spat him out in the late-1960s; broke and addicted to heroin. Louis' third wife helped to pull him back from the brink of self destruction. But one of the greatest ever heavyweight champions in the world was to finish his life as a 'meeter and greeter' at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas.

What I read had a little more detail but I can't seem to find it. He suffered from massive paranoia always thinking the mob was after him and that the crooks he had conspired with were always trying to kill him.

I appreciate you finding that, and Im not saying it can't be true, but that is the only time I've ever read anything about heroine and Louis. Who knows though.

CarlosG815
03-30-2010, 03:00 AM
I appreciate you finding that, and Im not saying it can't be true, but that is the only time I've ever read anything about heroine and Louis. Who knows though.

Louis was very close friends with Frank Lucas, the biggest heroin dealer in Harlem.

JAB5239
03-30-2010, 03:16 AM
Louis was very close friends with Frank Lucas, the biggest heroin dealer in Harlem.

That isn't any proof that Louis was using heroin though. I highly doubt Lucas would have approved of his friend using his product.

"Lucas and Joe Louis became good friends. Louis would appear every day at Lucas’ many trials and Lucas returned the favor by paying off a $50,000 tax lien for the champ. He described Louis as a ‘beautiful man’ and was inconsolable when Louis died."

Doesn't sound like the type of guy who would let a man like Louis become addicted to heroin.

CarlosG815
03-30-2010, 03:21 AM
That isn't any proof that Louis was using heroin though. I highly doubt Lucas would have approved of his friend using his product.

"Lucas and Joe Louis became good friends. Louis would appear every day at Lucas’ many trials and Lucas returned the favor by paying off a $50,000 tax lien for the champ. He described Louis as a ‘beautiful man’ and was inconsolable when Louis died."

Doesn't sound like the type of guy who would let a man like Louis become addicted to heroin.


I was watching "Intervention" on A&E and there was a couple who gave their 2 oldest boys money everyday knowing they were addicted to heroin....

JAB5239
03-30-2010, 03:30 AM
I was watching "Intervention" on A&E and there was a couple who gave their 2 oldest boys money everyday knowing they were addicted to heroin....

I don't even think the two scenarios are comparable. What the parents did is called enabling because that don't know what else to do. They're afraid the kids will steal from them or get hurt or arrested trying to steal from someone else. It is very common amongst the familes of addicts, that is a fact. Frank Lucas would have had absolutely no reason to enable Joe Louis. Again, Im not saying it couldn't have happened, but it seems very unlikely in my opinion.

CarlosG815
03-30-2010, 03:34 AM
I don't even think the two scenarios are comparable. What the parents did is called enabling because that don't know what else to do. They're afraid the kids will steal from them or get hurt or arrested trying to steal from someone else. It is very common amongst the familes of addicts, that is a fact. Frank Lucas would have had absolutely no reason to enable Joe Louis. Again, Im not saying it couldn't have happened, but it seems very unlikely in my opinion.

Good point on parents typically being enablers.

If Joe did have a love for heroin, I could see the dude throwin him some here and there.

JAB5239
03-30-2010, 03:40 AM
Good point on parents typically being enablers.

If Joe did have a love for heroin, I could see the dude throwin him some here and there.

Its certainly a possibility. But don't you think more people would have known and talked about this? Nothing is taboo anymore, especially about a celebrity who has been dead for more than a quarter century. I just think this would have come to light if it were really true.

CarlosG815
03-30-2010, 03:46 AM
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Its certainly a possibility. But don't you think more people would have known and talked about this? Nothing is taboo anymore, especially about a celebrity who has been dead for more than a quarter century. I just think this would have come to light if it were really true.

Any source will tell you he was heavy into drinking and drugs, although they don't specify which drugs.

JAB5239
03-30-2010, 03:52 AM
Any source will tell you he was heavy into drinking and drugs, although they don't specify which drugs.

I disagree with this my man. Most sources have said he had an affinity for cocaine. Besides what you pulled up I had never heard of a heroin addiction before.