People try to say that Floyd hasnt faught anyone when he really has one of the best resume's out their. Go compare his to Zoo's and Hopkins and you tell me who has the better opposition. Hopkins has faught all bums besides a smaller Tito and a DeLahoya who had really lost to Sturm the fight before and Mosley the fight before that. Zoo hasnt faught anyone. He was knocked out by Phillips, and people give him so much credit for beating guys like Tackie and a old Leja, a old Chaves, a old Mayweather. The only good guys he ever beat were Mitchell and Judah. These guys are overated. Who has Mitchell ever beat. They say he's been on a role because he beat Tackie, Phillips, Stewart, and Urkal. He got KO by Stevie Johnston and Levander (I forgot his last name). Mitchell was so hyped for nothing it's sick. Who has Judah ever beat but bums also. Judah is one of my favorites but he hasnt beat anyone. If you guy's dont believe me then go check all these guys boxing records and opponents and you will see there no comparison to who they faught and the guys Floyd faught like: Corley, Sosa, Castillo twice, Jesus Chaves, Carlos Hernandez, Corrales, Justin Jukko, Carlos Rios, Emanuel Augustus, Goya Vargas, Angel Manfredy, and the legendary Genaro Hernadez for the title when he was just 21. All these guys were at the height of their carrers when Floyd faught them. I think alot of people need to stop questioning Floyd. Frietas wouldnt fight him, Hatton wouldnt fight him and Gatti was suppose to fight him nearly a year ago

People try to say that Floyd hasnt faught anyone when he really has one of the best resume's out their. Go compare his to Zoo's and Hopkins and you tell me who has the better opposition. Hopkins has faught all bums besides a smaller Tito and a DeLahoya who had really lost to Sturm the fight before and Mosley the fight before that. Zoo hasnt faught anyone. He was knocked out by Phillips, and people give him so much credit for beating guys like Tackie and a old Leja, a old Chaves, a old Mayweather. The only good guys he ever beat were Mitchell and Judah. These guys are overated. Who has Mitchell ever beat. They say he's been on a role because he beat Tackie, Phillips, Stewart, and Urkal. He got KO by Stevie Johnston and Levander (I forgot his last name). Mitchell was so hyped for nothing it's sick. Who has Judah ever beat but bums also. Judah is one of my favorites but he hasnt beat anyone. If you guy's dont believe me then go check all these guys boxing records and opponents and you will see there no comparison to who they faught and the guys Floyd faught like: Corley, Sosa, Castillo twice, Jesus Chaves, Carlos Hernandez, Corrales, Justin Jukko, Carlos Rios, Emanuel Augustus, Goya Vargas, Angel Manfredy, and the legendary Genaro Hernadez for the title when he was just 21. All these guys were at the height of their carrers when Floyd faught them. I think alot of people need to stop questioning Floyd. Frietas wouldnt fight him, Hatton wouldnt fight him and Gatti was suppose to fight him nearly a year ago


why are ur points so badly in the negatives?

LOL. Damn I just noticed that. Bad bets maybe?

maybe someone hates him?

why are ur points so badly in the negatives?
Because I've been reading alot of post lately talking about how Floyd hasnt faught anyone and that he needs to step up if he wants to be compared to Zoo

My point is everyone gives Hopkins and Zoo alot of credit but they tend to criticize Floyd's achievement. Their always talking about Hopkins 19 defenses, but Floyd is undefeated and has been a champ for 6 years. He also has 16 title defenses. What is the difference between 16 title defenses and 19 middelweight defenses. I think his is better because he's moved up twice and will soon move up again and probally end his carrer at 154, while Zoo and Hopkins may end their careers in the same division. Zoo's a great fighter but he's been at 140 his whole carrer. What wouldve happend if he moved up to 47 or 54? How great would he look then? Would he had beat DeLahoya, Forrest, Quartey, Tito or Mosley? He's been dominant but he's only been in one division against mostly inferior opponents. Hopkins has also been at 160 his whole carrer. What wouldve happened if he wouldve moved up to 68 or 75? He's also been dominant but only in one division against mostly inferior opponents and his two biggest wins were against smaller guys and like I said DeLahoya didnt belong anywhere near 160. Have you ever thought about what if Floyd never moved up? Who wouldve beat him at 130? This guy wouldve had one of the greatest resume's in the history of boxing. He couldve faught Morales, Barrera, Pac Man, and Marquez. Do you think that any of those guys wouldve beat him. He wouldve been bigger, stronger, faster, and have a better defense then all those guys. Floyd wanted the tougher fights. Anyone can stay at a weight class forever and fight bums and then wait around for smaller champs to move up, but a true champ goes for the guys who's bigger then them. So dont keep buying all the hype that Hopkins, and Zoo are better than Floyd when the record, the opponents, and the different weight classes speak for itself. People are saying crazy stuff like "why hasnt Floyd called Zoo out. He must be scared after he saw what Zoo did to Mitchell". Floyd hasnt talked for months. So now just because Zoo faught, Floyd is suppose to just come out of nowhere calling for Zoo's head. Zoo hadnt even faught in two years. He wasnt even really on Floyd's mind before the fight. No one knew what Zoo would have left. Why hasnt Zoo called out Floyd? I think both of them have a mutual respect for eachother. I have heard both say they would like to fight eachother but I have never heard them talk bad about eachother. I heard Floyd say that Zoo deserves to be rated #1 in the division and I've heard Zoo say that Floyd is a great fighter and it would be a great fight. People should commend Floyd for coming up from 130 and fighting these big guys espically when he fights Zoo. Zoo is just staying at his natural weight and fighting a smaller, weaker guy. All I'm saying is their are alot of misconceptions out there and I just wanted to bring them to the forefront.

maybe someone hates him?

maybe he upset someone who takes away alot of points and has friends that do the same

but idk anything about that
:D

Because I've been reading alot of post lately talking about how Floyd hasnt faught anyone and that he needs to step up if he wants to be compared to Zoo

I don't recall any posts saying that he hasn't fought anyone, just that he hasn't fought anyone at 140. He has my total respect at 130 as he fought everyone he could, as Tszyu has at 140. Maybe those names you mentioned are why he's moved up as I can't see any bigger fights for him at 140 or 147 than those guys would have been. At 130 I would slightly favour a couple of those guys but it would be too close to call with any certainty.

I think alot of people need to stop questioning Floyd.

I dont agree with most of the things u sed, but i damn sure agree with that.

maybe he upset someone who takes away alot of points and has friends that do the same

but idk anything about that
:D
Look man, I'm here to talk boxing and nothing else. If people want to take my points, do you think I give a ****?

I don't know what DLT is saying. His posts are painful to my eyes.

Look man, I'm here to talk boxing and nothing else. If people want to take my points, do you think I give a ****?

That's the same way I feel. I think people take this points thing too serious. I just use it for the fantasy betting.

Look man, I'm here to talk boxing and nothing else. If people want to take my points, do you think I give a ****?

That's the same way I feel. I think people take this points thing too serious. I just use it for the fantasy betting.

amen brothers
do u think i give a fuk if u give a fuk
lmao
its all for ****s n giggles buddy

I don't recall any posts saying that he hasn't fought anyone, just that he hasn't fought anyone at 140. He has my total respect at 130 as he fought everyone he could, as Tszyu has at 140. Maybe those names you mentioned are why he's moved up as I can't see any bigger fights for him at 140 or 147 than those guys would have been. At 130 I would slightly favour a couple of those guys but it would be too close to call with any certainty.
It's just that I saw a post the other day that upset me. It was talking about how Floyd hasnt faught anyone and he needs to step it up to be compared with Zoo, Gatti, Harris, Hatton, and Cotto and I was just saying look at the resume and tell me who's faught the better guys. As for 140 I dont like Floyd's next opponent and I dont really want to see the fight but if Gatti would fight him like he was suppose to then this wouldnt be a problem. The Corley fight wasnt as week as people make it seem. So he lost to Floyd, and Judah. How many guys wouldnt have lost to both of them? I would love to see Chop fight Gatti, Harris, Cotto, or Hatton and I bet you they would have a fight on their hands. Theirs not enough money in a fight with Zoo right now to make the 2 networks have the fight. Arum's not going to put Cotto in with Floyd until they both have a chance of cleaning out the division. Hatton wouldnt fight him. The only guy he could fight or who would fight him is Harris, but if he fights Harris then he loses his #1 ranking in the WBC for a big money PPV fight with Gatti, and trust me Gatti isnt going to fight him if he doesnt have to. This is when HBO should step in. They should say Floyd go fight Vivian and we would guarentee you a fight with Gatti next but they wont do it and dont tell me that HBO doesnt have the power to do so because they do. All they have to say is Gatti if you wont fight him then go to Showtime for less money. I dont like Floyd's list of opponents for this fight but if you think about it, who else could he fight?

DLT can you use paragraphs by any chance?

DLT can you use paragraphs by any chance?
I will next time

DLT, ignore all the side bull****, in my opinion you made some really good points. If I could disagree on a couple of things, I don't neccessarily agree with the fact that you have to move up in a weight to be labeled great, that's just a thing of the present, in the future after a boxer retires, they'll get all the recognition they need, even if they did stay in the same weight division i.e Hagler..
Floyd's resume is alot better than Kostya's resume, regardless of what anyone says.

i'm not going to argue who has the better resume, but i know that tszyu's resume is solid.... everyone agrees that 140 is a deep division and tszyu is the king of it.... mitchell, zab, urkal, hurtado, ruelas and MAG were all legit top 10 guys when tszyu beat them.... zab was actually the favorite when tszu beat him, i don't think floyd has ever been in with anyone good enough to be favored over him...

i have floyd ahead of tszyu in my P4P rankings, but floyd is unproven at 140 and beating gatti isn't going to convince me that he'd beat tszyu...

i'm not going to argue who has the better resume, but i know that tszyu's resume is solid.... everyone agrees that 140 is a deep division and tszyu is the king of it.... mitchell, zab, urkal, hurtado, ruelas and MAG were all legit top 10 guys when tszyu beat them.... zab was actually the favorite when tszu beat him, i don't think floyd has ever been in with anyone good enough to be favored over him...

i have floyd ahead of tszyu in my P4P rankings, but floyd is unproven at 140 and beating gatti isn't going to convince me that he'd beat tszyu...
Judah over Zoo was about the same as Chico over Floyd and if the Gatti fight doesnt prove anything to you then what does. Gatti's is a legit champ and has faught better people then Harris, Hatton, Cotto, and even Judah at the time when Zoo faught him, and Mitchell

DLT, ignore all the side bull****, in my opinion you made some really good points. If I could disagree on a couple of things, I don't neccessarily agree with the fact that you have to move up in a weight to be labeled great, that's just a thing of the present, in the future after a boxer retires, they'll get all the recognition they need, even if they did stay in the same weight division i.e Hagler..
Floyd's resume is alot better than Kostya's resume, regardless of what anyone says.
I dont think you have to move up for the sake of moving up, but I'm speaking in terms of opponents. I dont think you should stay in the same division if the opponents are much weaker then the opponents in the higher weight classes

gatti hasn't done crap at 140..... what other top 10 guy at 140 has gatti fought? harris? urkal? mitchell? corley? zab?

the only guy gatti has fought is ward, who's tough but has a over dozen loses.... and don't forget the boxing clinic IVAN ROBINSON put on gatti....

gatti hasn't done crap at 140..... what other top 10 guy at 140 has gatti fought? harris? urkal? mitchell? corley? zab?

the only guy gatti has fought is ward, who's tough but has a over dozen loses.... and don't forget the boxing clinic IVAN ROBINSON put on gatti....
I agree but my point hardly any of the top guys have faught eachother so why would a win over Gatti be less impressive then a win over the others. If he beat Cotto they would say he was to green, if he beat Hatton they would say who has he faught, and if he beat Harris they would say that he was overated and has only beaten a washed up Urkal and a washed up Hurtado. You could actually argue that for all the criticizm Floyd gets over Corley as a opponent, he is really the best opponent any of them has faced

no one says he hasnt fought anyone, just that he hasnt fought anyone at 140.

no one says he hasnt fought anyone, just that he hasnt fought anyone at 140.
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gatti hasn't done crap at 140..... what other top 10 guy at 140 has gatti fought? harris? urkal? mitchell? corley? zab?

the only guy gatti has fought is ward, who's tough but has a over dozen loses.... and don't forget the boxing clinic IVAN ROBINSON put on gatti....

This is what I have been saying everytime someone thinks Gatti is a great fighter. Gatti is nothing special. Mayweather just wants to use him to gain a bigger status.

This is what I have been saying everytime someone thinks Gatti is a great fighter. Gatti is nothing special. Mayweather just wants to use him to gain a bigger status.
Go look at post #26 on the "Jose Luis Dangerfield" thread. I answer that question there

harris has DONE a whole lot more than chop chop.... who has corley beat??? harris's KO wins over hurtado and urkal is bigger than anything gatti or corley has done... i'd be ALOT more impressed if floyd beat harris than beating gatti, who's been schooled countless times in his career...

harris has DONE a whole lot more than chop chop.... who has corley beat??? harris's KO wins over hurtado and urkal is bigger than anything gatti or corley has done... i'd be ALOT more impressed if floyd beat harris than beating gatti, who's been schooled countless times in his career...
You should also go look at post #26 on the "Jose Luis Dangerfield" thread. I alread spoke about this

harris has DONE a whole lot more than chop chop.... who has corley beat??? harris's KO wins over hurtado and urkal is bigger than anything gatti or corley has done... i'd be ALOT more impressed if floyd beat harris than beating gatti, who's been schooled countless times in his career...
I'm not trying to disrespect Harris. He is one of my favorite fighters but we still dont know how good he really is. I saw the Hurtado fight and he didnt even really hit Hurtado. The guy was a shot fighter. He barley landed a clean punch and he was down and when he stood up he was wabley. Urkal is older now. The guy isnt the same fighter he used to be. Right now Urkal is just a stepping stone and Harris was defeated by Olivera. We dont know how good Harris is until he get's in with one of the best

I'm not trying to disrespect Harris. He is one of my favorite fighters but we still dont know how good he really is. I saw the Hurtado fight and he didnt even really hit Hurtado. The guy was a shot fighter. He barley landed a clean punch and he was down and when he stood up he was wabley. Urkal is older now. The guy isnt the same fighter he used to be. Right now Urkal is just a stepping stone and Harris was defeated by Olivera. We dont know how good Harris is until he get's in with one of the best
i agree with not really knowing how good haris is, but its pretty esay to see hes one of the best the division has to offer.

if floyd wants to fight gatti because its more money, that's fine, i never said there was anything wrong with that....

my point is, if he does, it wont impress me or make me think he's ready for tszyu.... right now i rank floyd behind tszyu and harris

if floyd wants to fight gatti because its more money, that's fine, i never said there was anything wrong with that....

my point is, if he does, it wont impress me or make me think he's ready for tszyu.... right now i rank floyd behind tszyu and harris
Did you see what I wrote on the last page about Harris. I think it's post #29. Anyways Guru, we shouldnt be argueing about this Gatti thing because we are on the same page. I wrote a thread about a week and a half ago called "Warrior Gatti" were I talk about how I think he's a fraud. If I can find it, I'll try to pull it up for you because I know you will love it

i like gatti, he's really fun to watch and i know mcgirt has ressurected his career and all, but i dont think he could beat tszyu, harris, floyd or even cotto....

People try to say that Floyd hasnt faught anyone when he really has one of the best resume's out their. Go compare his to Zoo's and Hopkins and you tell me who has the better opposition. Hopkins has faught all bums besides a smaller Tito and a DeLahoya who had really lost to Sturm the fight before and Mosley the fight before that. Zoo hasnt faught anyone. He was knocked out by Phillips, and people give him so much credit for beating guys like Tackie and a old Leja, a old Chaves, a old Mayweather. The only good guys he ever beat were Mitchell and Judah. These guys are overated. Who has Mitchell ever beat. They say he's been on a role because he beat Tackie, Phillips, Stewart, and Urkal. He got KO by Stevie Johnston and Levander (I forgot his last name). Mitchell was so hyped for nothing it's sick. Who has Judah ever beat but bums also. Judah is one of my favorites but he hasnt beat anyone. If you guy's dont believe me then go check all these guys boxing records and opponents and you will see there no comparison to who they faught and the guys Floyd faught like: Corley, Sosa, Castillo twice, Jesus Chaves, Carlos Hernandez, Corrales, Justin Jukko, Carlos Rios, Emanuel Augustus, Goya Vargas, Angel Manfredy, and the legendary Genaro Hernadez for the title when he was just 21. All these guys were at the height of their carrers when Floyd faught them. I think alot of people need to stop questioning Floyd. Frietas wouldnt fight him, Hatton wouldnt fight him and Gatti was suppose to fight him nearly a year ago
I wanted all of you to look at this again since Im once again hearing alot of disrespect about Floyd's opponents. And who else was he suppose to fight tonight. He was suppose to fight Gatti for over a year now and he keeps avoiding Floyd. Hatton and Gatti have already turned him down. He cant fight Zoo yet because there isnt enough money in it right now for the different networks. Maybe after the Gatti PPV fight. Cotto's people wont put him in with Floyd yet. The only one he couldve fought is Harris and if he did then he would lose the #1 contender spot in the WBC for a big money PPV fight with Gatti and trust me if Gatti doesnt have to fight him then he wont. So stop hatin because he has one of the best resumes out there

Look man, I'm here to talk boxing and nothing else. If people want to take my points, do you think I give a ****?
amen to that

What have you done for me lately?

Floyd is at 140 now, fight the big boys. Gatti is worthless.

What have you done for me lately?

Floyd is at 140 now, fight the big boys. Gatti is worthless.
You have to read all of my post. I agree that Gatti isnt the best but he has to fight Gatti first because he brings the money and the fame. He can make the most money and get on PPV fighting Gatti. If he fights Harris or Hatton or Cotto now it wouldnt be for much money and it wouldnt be on PPV. The Zoo fight might be on PPV but it wouldnt make that much money. After he fights Gatti all of those other fights become bigger so thats why he wants Gatti. If Zoo or Harris made the most money, you dont think he would be trying to fight them first?

What have you done for me lately?

Floyd is at 140 now, fight the big boys. Gatti is worthless.
Besides that I dont think people give him enough credit for the Corley win. Corley was a champ and a top 5 fighter. He only recently lost to Floyd and Zab. How many guys wouldve beaten them. Alot of people will be suprised when Chop fights Cotto

Only time will tell.

I honestly think, he only cares about the money right now. If Floyd never fights Tszyu and I'm talking about Tszyu this year, not waiting for Tszyu to get old. It will be a shame because that could've been a great win in Floyd's career. Tszyu has made his mark as one the best ever at 140, dare to be great Floyd.

Only time will tell.

I honestly think, he only cares about the money right now. If Floyd never fights Tszyu and I'm talking about Tszyu this year, not waiting for Tszyu to get old. It will be a shame because that could've been a great win in Floyd's career. Tszyu has made his mark as one the best ever at 140, dare to be great Floyd.
How can you all keep sayin this when Floyd just got to 140. On Boxing Talk he just said that he wants Gatti, then Zoo, and the Oscar or Shane. Every boxer wants the money. Zoo never says **** about Floyd but all everyone on here says is that Floyd is scared of Zoo. Zoo has been at 140 his whole career and Floyd is in his 4th division and only had 2 fights and everyone keeps putting all the pressure on him like he's scared or something. Who has Zoo ever beat and how come you never told Zoo to move up to 147 to fight Oscar, Shane, Forrest, Spinks, and Mayorga to be great. Tszyu is way older and still hasnt moved up. Floyd has done more the Zoo

I am not comparing Tszyu's career to Floyd's.

He's at 140, fight the man at 140 that's all. When did I say he was scared of Tszyu? Are you having second thoughts about Floyd fighting Tszyu? Anyways, Tszyu doesn't talk crap... he's not that kind of guy.

I really do hope Floyd fights all those guys in that order you just listed.

I am not comparing Tszyu's career to Floyd's.

He's at 140, fight the man at 140 that's all. When did I say he was scared of Tszyu? Are you having second thoughts about Floyd fighting Tszyu? Anyways, Tszyu doesn't talk crap... he's not that kind of guy.

I really do hope Floyd fights all those guys in that order you just listed.
You know that Im not having second thoughts. Ive always said that I would easily pick Floyd against Zoo because I happened to think that Zoo's style is made for Mayweather. All Im sayin is that if Zoo was on HBO and had Gatti's rep then all you would hear Floyd talk about was Zoo. They both have big money fights in June and after that you know all that anyone will talk about is Zoo vs Floyd so I think it will happened

Exactly, the fight needs to happen in the Fall after they beat two phoneys.

Exactly, the fight needs to happen in the Fall after they beat two phoneys.
agreed homey

if floyd wants to fight gatti because its more money, that's fine, i never said there was anything wrong with that....

my point is, if he does, it wont impress me or make me think he's ready for tszyu.... right now i rank floyd behind tszyu and harris

I'd have to say Floyed is ready for anyone in the world right now. KT, Cory Spinx, Shane Mosley it dont matter. Not that they are all sure victories but I think Mayweather is fighting at his best and would give anyone a run for their money.

It only matters what they've done at 140 lbs and PBF has done next to nothing. End of story.

It only matters what they've done at 140 lbs and PBF has done next to nothing. End of story.
Name one fighter besides Zoo who has done better and he has been there foreva so stop hatin

Floyds resume under 140 is great at 140 not so great but damn he just got there. His first fight he whopped chop chop. He will fight gatti (i think its a good move against a legit champ) then fight some more big names like Zoo. Floyd can beat anyone his speed, defence, and conditioning can carry him against anyone. Zoo would be his toughest challenge and it will happen in due time.

I think it will be a great fight...the power of Zoo against the speed and slickness of PBF.