View Full Version : List your best fighters of all-time in each division


bolopunchez
03-26-2010, 02:20 PM
One fighter per division.

Even if you don't have a pick for every division, post up the ones that you do have.

1SILVA
03-26-2010, 02:50 PM
one fighter per division.

Even if you don't have a pick for every division, post up the ones that you do have.

hvt-ali
190-holyfield
175-charles
168-jones
160-monzon
154-hearns
147-robinson
140-pryor
135-duran
130-arguello
126-saddler
122-gomez
118-chandler
115-tapia
112-wilde
108-chang
105-lopez

oldgringo
03-26-2010, 03:00 PM
HW: Ali
CW: Holyfield
175: Charles
168: Calzaghe
160: Hagler
154: Hearns
147: Robinson
140: Pryor
135: Duran
130: Arguello
126: Pep
122: Gomez
118: Jofre
115: Tapia
112: Wilde
108: Carbajal
105: Lopez

rsf
03-26-2010, 07:51 PM
hw. j.louis
cw. e.holyfield
lh . e.charles
sm. r.jones
mw . m.hagler
lm. m.mccallum
ww . r.robinson
lw. a.pryor
li . r.duran
sf. a.arguello
fe . w.pepp
sb.w.gomez
bw.e.jofre (it may get an edit)
fl.p.perez
lf.j.chang
staw.r.lopez

mickey malone
03-27-2010, 12:04 AM
HW - Louis
CW - Holyfield
LH - Charles
SM - Calzaghe
MW - Monzon
LM - McCallum
WW - Robinson
LWW - Locche
LW - Gans
SF - Arguello
FW - Pep
SB - Gomez
BW - Jofre
SFL - Galaxy
FLY - Wilde
LFL - Chang
STW - Lopez

Ziggy Stardust
03-27-2010, 11:03 AM
Heavyweight - Muhammed Ali
Light-Heavyweight - Ezzard Charles
Middleweight - Ray Robinson
Welterweight - Ray Robinson
Lightweight - Roberto Duran
Featherweight - Alexis Arguello
Bantamweight - Eder Jofre
Flyweight - Pascual Perez

NChristo
03-27-2010, 01:19 PM
Heavyweight - Joe Louis
Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield
Light-heavyweight - Archie Moore
Super middleweight - Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight - Carlos Monzon
Light Middleweight - Mike McCallum
Welterweight - Ray Robinson
Light welterweight - Nicolino Locche
Lightweight - Benny Leonard
Super Featherweight - Alexis Arguello
Featherweight - Willy Pep
Bantamweight - Eder Jofre
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde
Strawweight - Ricardo Lopez

fight_professor
03-27-2010, 01:43 PM
Heavyweight - Muhammed Ali
Light-Heavyweight - Ezzard Charles
Middleweight - Ray Robinson
Welterweight - Ray Robinson
Lightweight - Roberto Duran
Featherweight - Alexis Arguello
Bantamweight - Eder Jofre
Flyweight - Pascual Perez

I much prefer the 8 classic weights. There shouldnt be super and junior sub-weights. Work harder and make the weight at one of the true 8.

Nice list too bro. :yo:

S.G.
03-27-2010, 01:51 PM
HW: Ali
CW: Holyfield
175: Charles
168: Calzaghe
160: Greb
154: McCallum
147: Robinson
140: Pryor
135: Leonard
130: Arguello
126: Pep
122: Gomez
118: Jofre
115: Galaxy
112: Wilde
108: Carbajal
105: Lopez

wmute
03-27-2010, 01:51 PM
Fun game but hard, but I am going to name ppl who are top 3 anyways.

HW-ali
190/200-holyfield (but would really be Marciano)
175-charles
168-jones jr
160-greb
154-mccallum
147-robinson
140-pryor
135- I can't decide between Leonard and Duran. Simply impossible for me.
130-mayweather jr
126-pep

i need to think too much below 126

wmute
03-27-2010, 01:54 PM
Heavyweight - Muhammed Ali
Light-Heavyweight - Ezzard Charles
Middleweight - Ray Robinson
Welterweight - Ray Robinson
Lightweight - Roberto Duran
Featherweight - Alexis Arguello
Bantamweight - Eder Jofre
Flyweight - Pascual Perez

wow poet... bold call. I would not have considered Ray at 160, I mean he is great but with Greb, Monzon (and Hagler) in the division, i can't pick him.

Ziggy Stardust
03-27-2010, 02:28 PM
I much prefer the 8 classic weights. There shouldnt be super and junior sub-weights. Work harder and make the weight at one of the true 8.

Nice list too bro. :yo:

Old-School 8 or they don't rate :D

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
03-27-2010, 02:30 PM
wow poet... bold call. I would not have considered Ray at 160, I mean he is great but with Greb, Monzon (and Hagler) in the division, i can't pick him.

Even though Robinson was at his absolute best as a Welter, I feel he was still so good as a Middleweight that he tops my list (and is the only fighter I rate in two weight classes).

Poet

fight_professor
03-27-2010, 04:06 PM
Sugar Ray is the greatest of alltime. His MW record is also astonishing.

mhager91490
03-27-2010, 04:12 PM
HW-Joe Louis
CW-Evander Holyfield
LHW-Ezzard Charles
SMW-Joe Calzaghe
MW-Harry Greb
JMW-Mike McCallum
WW-Sugar Ray Robinson
JWW-Niccolino Locche
LW-Roberto Duran
JLW-Alexis Arguello
FW-Willie Pep
SBW-Wilfredo Gomez
BW-Eder Jofre
SFW-Jiro Wantanabe
FLW-Pascaul Perez
LFW-Jung-Koo Chang
MIW-Ricardo Lopez

hhascup
03-27-2010, 09:44 PM
Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali
Light-Heavyweight - Ezzard Charles
Middleweight - Harry Greb
Welterweight - Ray Robinson
Lightweight - Roberto Duran
Featherweight - Willie Pep
Bantamweight - Eder Jofre
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

svenottke
03-27-2010, 10:00 PM
Heavyweight - Larry Holmes

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield

Lt. Heavy - Michael Spinks

Supermiddle - Sven Ottke

Middleweight - Marvin Hagler

Jr. Middle - Thomas Hearns

Welterweight - Ray Robinson

Jr. Welter - Aaron Pryor

Lightweight - Pernell Whitaker

Jr. Lightweight - Floyd Mayweather

Featherweight - Azumah Nelson

Bantamweight - Jeff Chandler

Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

fight_professor
03-27-2010, 10:48 PM
:lol1: at Ottke.

TBear
03-28-2010, 01:30 AM
200+ Louis
190 Holyfield
175 Foster
168 Jones
160 Monzon
154 Hearns
147 Robibson
140 J.C Chavez
135 Duran
130 Arguello
126 Pep
122 W. Gomez
118 Jofre
115 Galaxy
112 ???(couldn't decide so -butterbeans left foot)
108 Carbajal
105 Lopez

GJC
03-28-2010, 09:33 AM
Heavyweight - Muhammed Ali
Light-Heavyweight - Archie Moore (Tricky one as I think that there is a gnat hair between a couple of fighters so used my bias as the tie breaker)
Middleweight - Harry Greb (for SRR see below)
Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson
Lightweight - Roberto Duran
Featherweight - Willie Pep
Bantamweight - Eder Jofre
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

wmute
03-28-2010, 09:51 AM
Even though Robinson was at his absolute best as a Welter, I feel he was still so good as a Middleweight that he tops my list (and is the only fighter I rate in two weight classes).

Poet


Do you see Robinson as the best or the most accomplished MW or both?

Ziggy Stardust
03-28-2010, 09:54 AM
Do you see Robinson as the best or the most accomplished MW or both?

The best. Accomplishments are only one factor in how I rate fighters. Overall ability is the most important factor.

Poet

GJC
03-28-2010, 10:03 AM
I couldn't argue too strongly against SRR @ MW, I went with Greb as I had SRR @ WW and also I do feel Greb does get a little overlooked at times considering his resume.
Now Arguello over Pep........................ :)

Ziggy Stardust
03-28-2010, 10:10 AM
I couldn't argue too strongly against SRR @ MW, I went with Greb as I had SRR @ WW and also I do feel Greb does get a little overlooked at times considering his resume.
Now Arguello over Pep........................ :)

Hey now! I've been giving Pep his props in some other threads recently! ;)

Poet

1SILVA
03-28-2010, 12:27 PM
The best. Accomplishments are only one factor in how I rate fighters. Overall ability is the most important factor.

Poet

Recently saw Robinson's performance against Maxim. A virtuoso performance, despite the ending. The Robinson that totally outclassed maxim that night would have beaten any 160 pound fighter that ever lived.

wmute
03-28-2010, 01:42 PM
The best. Accomplishments are only one factor in how I rate fighters. Overall ability is the most important factor.

Poet

I see. I still disagree, but I see where you coming from.

wmute
03-28-2010, 01:49 PM
I couldn't argue too strongly against SRR @ MW, I went with Greb as I had SRR @ WW and also I do feel Greb does get a little overlooked at times considering his resume.
Now Arguello over Pep........................ :)

Arguello over Pep can also make sense if you think about the "best" rather than the "greatest". It's different approaches.

wmute
03-28-2010, 01:51 PM
Recently saw Robinson's performance against Maxim. A virtuoso performance, despite the ending. The Robinson that totally outclassed maxim that night would have beaten any 160 pound fighter that ever lived.

But most great MW would be faster, slicker, and with better stamina than Maxim. Not saying Robinson could not beat them, but I don't see what the Maxim fight tells us about a matchup with Hagler or Greb for example.

hhascup
03-28-2010, 02:04 PM
Against contenders, here are Pep and Arguello's records:

Willie Pep was 27-8
Arguello was 15-4

This is what IBRO came up with in 2005. I am also a charter member of IBRO BUT I did not vote on this as I was too busy with several other things at the time.

Updated November 2005


Willie Pep
Sandy Saddler
Henry Armstrong
Abe Attell
Johnny Dundee
Alexis Arguello
Kid Chocolate
Johnny Kilbane
Jim Driscoll
Terry McGovern
Salvador Sanchez
George Dixon
Vincente Saldivar
Tony Canzoneri
Eder Jofre
Young Griffo
Azumah Nelson
Owen Moran
Freddie Miller
Eusebio Pedroza

Just missing the cut: Erik Morales, Battling Battalino, Chalky Wright, Louis Kid Kaplan, Baby Arizmendi, Benny Bass, Marco Antonio Berrera, Young Corbett II and Davey Moore.

hhascup
03-28-2010, 02:26 PM
But most great MW would be faster, slicker, and with better stamina than Maxim. Not saying Robinson could not beat them, but I don't see what the Maxim fight tells us about a matchup with Hagler or Greb for example.

I rate Greb over Robinson as a Middleweight. Robinson was past his prime when he became Middleweight Champion. His loses to Turpin, Fullmer (twice), Basilio, Ralph Tiger Jones, twice to Pender shows that. You could say that he was old at the time BUT that is was when he was the Middleweight Champion. Just look at his record. He lost only 1 bout in his first 131 bouts, then went 45-18-4 the rest of the way.

In Middleweight Title bouts Robinson went 8-6-1

Here's what IBRO came up with:

Middleweight

Updated June 2005


Harry Greb
Sugar Ray Robinson
Stanley Ketchel
Mickey Walker
Carlos Monzon
Marvin Hagler
Marcel Cerdan
Bob Fitzsimmons
Jake LaMotta
Charley Burley
Tony Zale
Tiger Flowers
Bernard Hopkins
Tommy Ryan
Roy Jones Jr.
Dick Tiger
Mike Gibbons
Freddie Steele
Kid McCoy
Gene Fullmer

Just missing the cut: Sugar Ray Leonard, Les Darcy, Sam Langford, Holman Williams, Billy Papke, Emile Griffith, Frank Klaus, Joey Giardello, Nonpareil Jack Dempsey and Ezzard Charles.

mickey malone
03-28-2010, 03:28 PM
I rate Greb over Robinson as a Middleweight. Robinson was past his prime when he became Middleweight Champion. His loses to Turpin, Fullmer (twice), Basilio, Ralph Tiger Jones, twice to Pender shows that. You could say that he was old at the time BUT that is was when he was the Middleweight Champion. Just look at his record. He lost only 1 bout in his first 131 bouts, then went 45-18-4 the rest of the way.

In Middleweight Title bouts Robinson went 8-6-1

Here's what IBRO came up with:

Middleweight

Updated June 2005


Harry Greb
Sugar Ray Robinson
Stanley Ketchel
Mickey Walker
Carlos Monzon
Marvin Hagler
Marcel Cerdan
Bob Fitzsimmons
Jake LaMotta
Charley Burley
Tony Zale
Tiger Flowers
Bernard Hopkins
Tommy Ryan
Roy Jones Jr.
Dick Tiger
Mike Gibbons
Freddie Steele
Kid McCoy
Gene Fullmer

Just missing the cut: Sugar Ray Leonard, Les Darcy, Sam Langford, Holman Williams, Billy Papke, Emile Griffith, Frank Klaus, Joey Giardello, Nonpareil Jack Dempsey and Ezzard Charles.
Spot on with SRR, but what a stupid list!

Frank Klaus just misses the cut, so I suppose Mike O'Dowd, Marcel Thil, Rocky Graziano, Nino Benvenuti, Fred Apostoli, Bobo Olson and Paul Pender, all completely missed the boat then?

hhascup
03-30-2010, 10:30 PM
Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali
Light-Heavyweight - Ezzard Charles
Middleweight - Harry Greb
Welterweight - Ray Robinson
Lightweight - Roberto Duran
Featherweight - Willie Pep
Bantamweight - Eder Jofre
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

Here's a web site that rates the top 25 boxers in the 8 weight classes. They have the #1 boxer in each weight class the same as I do.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=26161

Again, this is just another boxing person's opinion.

Rolling Stone
03-31-2010, 04:12 AM
Can't be bothered going through the bull**** divisions...here are my original 8

Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali
Light Heavyweight: Ezzard Charles
Middleweight: Sugar Ray Robinson
Welterweight: Sugar Ray Robinson
Lightweight: Roberto Duran
Featherweight: Willie Pep
Bantamweight: Eder Jofre
Flyweight: Jimmy Wilde