View Full Version : Lennox Lewis vs Michael Grant


sonnyboyx2
03-26-2010, 10:45 AM
Plenty has been said on this forum of late about Lennox Lewis refusal to fight the WBA No1 conenter John Ruiz and instead choosing to fight Michael Grant.. Did Grant deserve a World Title shot, Lennox Lewis sat ringside watching Grant vs Golota then chose Grant as his next opponent.. look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHb-OuNFL5c

Southpaw16BF
03-26-2010, 12:22 PM
There was much more money in a fight with the unbeaten USA hope Grant. HBO had really put alot of time and money in to Grant, markating him as the next big thing.

You can't really blame Lewis for fighting Grant. I don't see what he has to fear about Ruiz.

sonnyboyx2
03-26-2010, 12:28 PM
Lewis seen first-hand that Grant was a Bum

Stab Judah
03-26-2010, 12:29 PM
The hype around Grant was unbelievable and he looked the part.
Ruiz's spot at number one contender was actually very controversial at the time.
Grant was the right choice as far as public interest money and he seemed to be the better fighter at the time.

Southpaw16BF
03-26-2010, 12:37 PM
Lewis seen first-hand that Grant was a Bum

But at the end of the day, the public and HBO wanted Lewis vs Grant due to the fact it would make much more $$$$ than a Ruiz vs Lewis showdown.

You can't blame Lewis, for choosing a big PPV fight against a unbeaten USA fighter for more money.......

Emon723
03-27-2010, 07:07 AM
Ruiz didnt do anything to become the number 1 contender, the WBA was a sham, it first rated Henry Akinwande (whom Lewis already beat) as their number 1 contender, then all of a sudden they dropped Akinwande and installed Johnny Ruiz as Lewis WBA mandatory opponent.

Marcov
03-30-2010, 07:30 AM
Ruiz was a Don King fighter and Grant wasn't. That might have played into the decision as Lewis was not a King fan. Grant at the time apeared to actually be a better challenge for Lewis than Ruiz. He was big strong and undefeated. Then again he might have seen Golota floor Grant with a right hand and thought he'd be perfect for him.

The_Demon
03-30-2010, 07:38 AM
your a terrible poster
who cares

Clegg
03-30-2010, 07:57 AM
Yeah, Grant deserved a title shot, certainly more so than Ruiz.

Grant was undefeated and coming off of wins over Andrew Golota, Lou Saverese and David Izon.

Ruiz had already been destroyed in one round on HBO a few years previously, and his only notable win was over an old and washed up Tony Tucker.

I also remember at the time that a lot of people said Lewis only won fights based on size, and that Grant would therefore give him a tough fight due to being the bigger man. No one gave Ruiz a chance.

sonnyboyx2
03-30-2010, 08:20 AM
Yeah, Grant deserved a title shot, certainly more so than Ruiz.

Grant was undefeated and coming off of wins over Andrew Golota, Lou Saverese and David Izon.

Ruiz had already been destroyed in one round on HBO a few years previously, and his only notable win was over an old and washed up Tony Tucker.

I also remember at the time that a lot of people said Lewis only won fights based on size, and that Grant would therefore give him a tough fight due to being the bigger man. No one gave Ruiz a chance.

Ruiz standing over the last 12yrs against Grants has proved beyond doubt that Lewis cherry-picked an easy opponent and avoided a very dangerous opponent in Ruiz.. the link shows that Grant was exposed as a bum by Golota when only the bell saved him from a 1st round KO.. Ruiz has gone on to be a 2 time Heavyweight Champion fighting in 11 world title fights and remaining virtually undefeated in the last 10yrs Ruiz will become a 3 time world champion on April 3rd should he defeat David Haye.

Clegg
03-30-2010, 08:28 AM
Ruiz standing over the last 12yrs against Grants has proved beyond doubt that Lewis cherry-picked an easy opponent and avoided a very dangerous opponent in Ruiz.. the link shows that Grant was exposed as a bum by Golota when only the bell saved him from a 1st round KO.. Ruiz has gone on to be a 2 time Heavyweight Champion fighting in 11 world title fights and remaining virtually undefeated in the last 10yrs Ruiz will become a 3 time world champion on April 3rd should he defeat David Haye.

Yeah, the fact that Ruiz got 78 WBA title shots after Lennox fought Grant proves that Lennox cherry picked :rolleyes:

Who cares who had the better resume at the time, right? Who cares who was rated higher, right? Who cares what fight HBO and the public wanted to see? What really matters is that Lennox had magical powers and was therefore able to see the future, and the sight of Ruiz hugging his way to defeat against Z-level paper champions scared him so badly that he instead chose to fight a bigger, stronger, more talented boxer with a better resume. What a cowardly ducker!

Roger Yomama
03-30-2010, 08:39 AM
Ruiz standing over the last 12yrs against Grants has proved beyond doubt that Lewis cherry-picked an easy opponent and avoided a very dangerous opponent in Ruiz.. the link shows that Grant was exposed as a bum by Golota when only the bell saved him from a 1st round KO.. Ruiz has gone on to be a 2 time Heavyweight Champion fighting in 11 world title fights and remaining virtually undefeated in the last 10yrs Ruiz will become a 3 time world champion on April 3rd should he defeat David Haye.

So Lewis had the ability to see into the future and avoided Ruiz because of what he would go on to accomplish?

Clegg
03-30-2010, 08:40 AM
Ruiz has gone on to be a 2 time Heavyweight Champion fighting in 11 world title fights and remaining virtually undefeated in the last 10yrs

Ha ha, just wanted to reply again, in particular to this part.

11 world title fights? Great, except that he lost 6 of them.

Virtually undefeated for the past 10 years? Right, apart from the 6 defeats, 2 of them to blown up middleweights.

I remember there was a poll on here before where Ruiz was voted the worst heavyweight champion of all time, which is really saying something.

Slick_Rick
03-30-2010, 09:33 AM
Ruiz standing over the last 12yrs against Grants has proved beyond doubt that Lewis cherry-picked an easy opponent and avoided a very dangerous opponent in Ruiz.. the link shows that Grant was exposed as a bum by Golota when only the bell saved him from a 1st round KO.. Ruiz has gone on to be a 2 time Heavyweight Champion fighting in 11 world title fights and remaining virtually undefeated in the last 10yrs Ruiz will become a 3 time world champion on April 3rd should he defeat David Haye.

I've heard it all now, Lennox Lewis ducked Ruiz, the guy who has been beaten by 2 Middleweights.:rofl:

sonnyboyx2
03-30-2010, 12:33 PM
Ha ha, just wanted to reply again, in particular to this part.

11 world title fights? Great, except that he lost 6 of them.

Virtually undefeated for the past 10 years? Right, apart from the 6 defeats, 2 of them to blown up middleweights.

I remember there was a poll on here before where Ruiz was voted the worst heavyweight champion of all time, which is really saying something.

yes 11 world title fights, losing 3 split-decisions over in Germany to hometown fighters, one no-contest to James Toney who was on steroids and a decision loss to Holyfield after puttting Holyfield on the floor, something Lewis never came near to doing in 24rds, also a decision loss to undefeated Roy Jones jr. who was considered at that time to be the greatest fighter of the last half-century..Forget your poll of who was the worst heavyweight champion of all time because Hasim Rahman will always win that poll..Ruiz was the No1 contender and because Lewis refused to fight him he was `stripped` of that title.. Michael Grants claim to fame is the hype that Lennox Lewis himself paid to Grant in the build-up to choosing Grant for a shot at his remaining 2 belts, HBO are not the world governing body of professional boxing and never have been they offered Lewis a staggering $35 million to fight newly crowned champion Roy Jones yet Lewis turned it down claiming he had nothing to prove by fighting a former middleweight.. Lewis had a responsibility to boxing and to boxing fans to fight the top contenders, John Ruiz had been No1 contender for more than 18 months yet Lewis knew just how dangerous a fighter he was so wanted nothing to do with him so instead chose Grant after watching Grant being floored twice in the opening round against Golota and being saved by the bell.. real boxing fans did not want to see Lewis vs Grant as they knew that it was a complete `miss-match`which it rightly turned out to be, yet Lewis pulled the wool over peoples eyes by slandering John Ruiz and calling him `Johnny Louise`.. i for one did not buy into it, i knew Lewis was running scared and abrogating his responsibility as champion to fighting the top contenders.

sonnyboyx2
03-30-2010, 12:45 PM
So Lewis had the ability to see into the future and avoided Ruiz because of what he would go on to accomplish?

Ruiz was undefeated in 11 fights over 4yrs and had only lost due to being caught cold with the very first punch of a fight and being counted out in 18 seconds which itself tells a story. Ruiz was on a roll and at the very top of his game, Lewis never ever in his career fought any fighters who was in that position of being at the top of their game... he only ever fought fighters who was on the downslide of their career or who was years past their best days.. Lewis had used Ruiz as a sparring partner in London in 94 so knew all about how good Ruiz was even when only a novice, yet 4yrs later when he had fought his way to be No1 contender Lewis **** himself and dumped the belt... its ok for Lewis fans to claim Bowe dumped his belt because he was scared of Lewis but its not ok to claim Lewis was scared of Ruiz for dumping his belt.... Ruiz is to fight David Haye this weekend for the Title, should Ruiz win it will make Lennox Lewis actions look even more sinister.

Shazam!
03-30-2010, 02:01 PM
LOL. Great stuff. Keep it coming!

Slick_Rick
04-08-2010, 12:16 PM
I've heard it all now, Lennox Lewis ducked Ruiz, the guy who has been beaten by 2 Middleweights.:rofl:

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7554/boxingscene.png (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/boxingscene.png/)
:rofl:

What a little cry baby. :baby:

It was only till now I bothered actually looking at my profile and saw this.

This is one of the fundamental things wrong with this site, ordinary users able to leave bad rep for each other.
You disagree with someone's opinion, however ridiculous it may seem and you can get punished for it.

Anyway this thread still makes me laugh.

MR.CHICANITO
04-08-2010, 12:38 PM
your a terrible poster
who cares

nah i think lennox lewis kind of cherry picked michael grant as his oponent instead of waiting for grant to improve for a few years instead lewis went for the bank and pvv money with the grant fight and ended grants hope of becoming a top heavyweight boxer

Clegg
04-08-2010, 01:00 PM
nah i think lennox lewis kind of cherry picked michael grant as his oponent instead of waiting for grant to improve for a few years instead lewis went for the bank and pvv money with the grant fight and ended grants hope of becoming a top heavyweight boxer

Lol.

Earlier someone said Lewis avoided Ruiz because Ruiz was going to go on to be successful. Now Lewis fought Grant because Grant was going to go on to be successful?

Lennox should start buying lottery tickets, his fortune telling powers are phenomenal. If only he'd used them before the McCall and Rahman fights, eh?

GJC
04-08-2010, 01:04 PM
Lol.

Earlier someone said Lewis avoided Ruiz because Ruiz was going to go on to be successful. Now Lewis fought Grant because Grant was going to go on to be successful?

Lennox should start buying lottery tickets, his fortune telling powers are phenomenal. If only he'd used them before the McCall and Rahman fights, eh?
He'd make a hell of a manager for an up and coming fighter the way he can pick exactly when to fight or avoid a fighter :)

MR.CHICANITO
04-08-2010, 01:07 PM
He'd make a hell of a manager for an up and coming fighter the way he can pick exactly when to fight or avoid a fighter :)

yeah lennox lewis was never that great of a heavyweight champ anyways he can fight the unproven wannabes like michael grant but he has to go through just to fight an old washed up mike tyson and then take hasim rahman to court to force the rematch instead of rahman defending his titles against mike tyson and possibly losing them to iron mike tyson which would haved would been one hell of a bargaining leverage for tyson in the lewis fighst talks

Clegg
04-08-2010, 01:09 PM
yeah lennox lewis was never that great of a heavyweight champ anyways he can fight the unproven wannabes like michael grant but he has to go through just to fight an old washed up mike tyson and then take hasim rahman to court to force the rematch instead of rahman defending his titles against mike tyson and possibly losing them to iron mike tyson which would haved would been one hell of a bargaining leverage for tyson in the lewis fighst talks

Yeah, he fought two top contenders, rather than sitting back and having them fight each other. Isn't that a good thing?

TBear
04-08-2010, 01:13 PM
How did Lewis avoid Ruiz by fighting Grant? Grant was the manditory. He fought in a sanctioned title elimination bout with Golota for Lewis's WBC title.

sonnyboyx2
04-08-2010, 01:37 PM
How did Lewis avoid Ruiz by fighting Grant? Grant was the manditory. He fought in a sanctioned title elimination bout with Golota for Lewis's WBC title.

Ruiz was the WBA No1 contender, Lewis got stripped of that belt for refusing to fight Ruiz

General Zod
05-15-2010, 09:16 AM
I hate Lennox Lewis, lol