Simple question, Can Mike Tyson ever again become undisputed heavyweight champion.

No........

I think he can. If he gets in Peak Pysical condition and maintains focus. The article said he has been sparring 8 rounds in training. If Tyson can get the condition back to be able to go 12 rounds strong. He can definitely become undisputed champion. I have been saying this for a long time. If Tyson weighs in at 225 or lower for all his upcoming fights I think he can beat anybody as long as his focus in there.

he doesn't have te motivation. He's only fighting to pay off his debts

No........
Ditto!
McKay, you're dreamin'.
"And if frogs had wings,
They wouldn't bump their ass so much"

I thik the only heavyweight that can give a prime conditioned and focused Mike Tyson problems is Vitali Klistchko.

I think he can. If he gets in Peak Pysical condition and maintains focus. The article said he has been sparring 8 rounds in training. If Tyson can get the condition back to be able to go 12 rounds strong. He can definitely become undisputed champion. I have been saying this for a long time. If Tyson weighs in at 225 or lower for all his upcoming fights I think he can beat anybody as long as his focus in there.
Mckay... You've trod over this ground before...

It ain't Mike Tyson's weight that's the problem, It's the fact that he's near 40yrs old, and a SHOT fighter.

Fennech can't do anything to help him. Tyson is just shot, it happens to the best of them.

I want to say no but
It is Iron Mike Tyson
and idk man if John Ruiz can be a champion Mike Tyson can be one too...

No way in the world. Tyson is shot to pieces and doesn`t want the glory, only the money. He is gonna find it a struggle beating bums let alone world champions!

on a scale of 1 to 10(10 being the best chance), these are tyson chances of winning against each champion:

Brewster 5/10- because tyson can always land that bomb, imo this fight would be like the williams fight

Byrd 8/10- because byrd doesnt have the pop to keep mike off of him, its only a matter of time before tyson lands a huge shot.

Ruiz 4/10- because ruiz has overcome those 19 seconds with tua and also because he is battle tested. ruiz's style would be hell on no stamina tyson, he would hug and grab tyson for the first 5 rounds wearing down tyson. imo ruiz stops tyson late

VK 1/10- tyson only chance is too land a bomb but so far VK's chin has shown its sturdy. other than that VK has all the advantages.

Ruiz is actually better than Tyson at this point. Sadly, even the James Toney who pummeled Ruiz would have likely stopped today's incarnation of Mike Tyson. If Lamon Brewster came out with guns blazing like he did against Golota, I wouldn't be surprised if he knocked Tyson out just the same. Mike just can't take it (or give it) like he used to. His heart is no longer with boxing and I don't think it will ever come back.

why don't some of you guys just look to the future, tyson is in the past, sure he's still fighting, but he's not a legit part of the top heavyweights any more, if he fought klitschko it would be the lennox lewis fight all over again, and he would probbably struggle to beat most of the top 10-15 heavys these days.

Tyson is almost 40 years old, and has took a lot of punishment in his career.

on a scale of 1 to 10(10 being the best chance), these are tyson chances of winning against each champion:

Brewster 5/10- because tyson can always land that bomb, imo this fight would be like the williams fight

Byrd 8/10- because byrd doesnt have the pop to keep mike off of him, its only a matter of time before tyson lands a huge shot.

Ruiz 4/10- because ruiz has overcome those 19 seconds with tua and also because he is battle tested. ruiz's style would be hell on no stamina tyson, he would hug and grab tyson for the first 5 rounds wearing down tyson. imo ruiz stops tyson late

VK 1/10- tyson only chance is too land a bomb but so far VK's chin has shown its sturdy. other than that VK has all the advantages.

You nailed it, man! Excellent analysis.

on a scale of 1 to 10(10 being the best chance), these are tyson chances of winning against each champion:

Brewster 5/10- because tyson can always land that bomb, imo this fight would be like the williams fight

Byrd 8/10- because byrd doesnt have the pop to keep mike off of him, its only a matter of time before tyson lands a huge shot.

Ruiz 4/10- because ruiz has overcome those 19 seconds with tua and also because he is battle tested. ruiz's style would be hell on no stamina tyson, he would hug and grab tyson for the first 5 rounds wearing down tyson. imo ruiz stops tyson late

VK 1/10- tyson only chance is too land a bomb but so far VK's chin has shown its sturdy. other than that VK has all the advantages.


well if you add those odds up. It comes out to 18/40. That is almost 2-1 those aint bad odds really. Mike Tyson still only a 2-1 underdog to become undisputed champion again at age 38 even when the odd assesement is done by Tyson skeptic.

on a scale of 1 to 10(10 being the best chance), these are tyson chances of winning against each champion:

Brewster 5/10- because tyson can always land that bomb, imo this fight would be like the williams fight

Byrd 8/10- because byrd doesnt have the pop to keep mike off of him, its only a matter of time before tyson lands a huge shot.

Ruiz 4/10- because ruiz has overcome those 19 seconds with tua and also because he is battle tested. ruiz's style would be hell on no stamina tyson, he would hug and grab tyson for the first 5 rounds wearing down tyson. imo ruiz stops tyson late

VK 1/10- tyson only chance is too land a bomb but so far VK's chin has shown its sturdy. other than that VK has all the advantages.

Don`t agree with your Byrd analysis. Bryd would have fun with Tyson and probably force Mike into a frustrated DQ! Ruiz has an excellent style VS Tyson. Brewster has a chance to beat him. But why argue this point. With V Klitscko out there, Sam Peter etc...who gives a **** about the shot rapist?

Basically, the contrary poll choice says it all.

no way in hell he could be come heavyweight champ buit not undisputed

I think he chases Byrd all night like Holy did...

He throws Ruiz to the canvas and elbow drops him after a few hugs and gets DQ'd...

KO's Brewster because Brewster tries to KO him...

Gets beat the **** up by VK like he did vs. Lewis.

His reflexes have slowed, his stamina isn't that great, and he has weight problems...

Two of these things could be corrected if only his heart was still in boxing, and the time frame in which he will be able to correct those things is quickly diminishing. IMO, his only chance is Brewster, and there is no chance of unifying the belts for Tyson.

I think he chases Byrd all night like Holy did...

He throws Ruiz to the canvas and elbow drops him after a few hugs and gets DQ'd...

KO's Brewster because Brewster tries to KO him...

Gets beat the **** up by VK like he did vs. Lewis.

His reflexes have slowed, his stamina isn't that great, and he has weight problems...

Two of these things could be corrected if only his heart was still in boxing, and the time frame in which he will be able to correct those things is quickly diminishing. IMO, his only chance is Brewster, and there is no chance of unifying the belts for Tyson.
yes i agree with that i think the only one of those fights he has a decent chance of winning is aganist brewster, because brewster is an attacking type of fighter, and would give tyson the chance to KO him.

Yes I think its do-able

as soon as tysons paid off all his debts hes gonna be so shot he needs to stack shelves for a living

Tyson always has a punchers chance against any one, and even at 39 he is faster that 90% of 2days heavys, I cant believe people actually think Ruiz would KO him, lol, it would over with in 4 rounds,
heres how I see it,

Tyson/Brewster= if brewster comes out like he did against Golota he will go out like Etinnee. Tyson is best at a slug fest in the 1st and 2nd RDS, so I dont Brewster would Take that approach with Mike. And even if they dont slug it out early I still see Tyson winning by KO, Meehan is not a good heavy and had brewster out on his feet, in reality, Rahman should be WBO champ right now not brewster.

Tyson/Ruiz= Ruiz will try to grapple and if Toney can land that right hand all night Tyson will be landing something, I see Tyson KOing Ruiz early also, he doesnt have the chin to take Tysons punches.

Tyson/Byrd= Byrd is to feather fisted, he wont be able to hurt Tyson that much to keep him from rushing him, Byrd will be KOed like he was by Ike.

Tyson/VK= This is the only fight I dont think Tyson could win at this point, He will loose a UD. But theres always a punchers chance so this one is 50/50. IMO

Tyson/Toney= he will kill Toneys body, Toney is open to the body all the time and Tyson is a devestationg body puncher, I think Toney would suffer his 1st KO defeat.

Simple question, Can Mike Tyson ever again become undisputed heavyweight champion.

....A simple question from the simple minded. This Tyson **** has been done over and over again and so has Tyson. :)

....A simple question from the simple minded. This Tyson **** has been done over and over again and so has Tyson. :)

Nonsense. You are fool if you give Tyson no chance against Chris Byrd, Lamon Brewster, or John Ruiz. His only obstacle is Vitali Klistchko. I truly believe if Tyson is 100% focues and in condition and can make a fight of it with Klistchko. People say it will be the same as the Lennox Lewis fight. They might be right if Tyson is out shape and not focused when he fights Klistchko. When he fought Lewis he weighed at his second heaviest ever at 234. If he gets down to 225 or lower he can deal with any of these guys. Klitschko was tagged alot by Corrie Sander. Corrie Sander can crack but Tyson can crack harder. And Tyson at times can be relentless and madman in there if he does noy run out of stamina. And against Williams Tyson was 233 that was the 3rd highest he ever was.

ima tell yall this ima order da ppv..and see for myself what tyson got lef..i think he might suprise some people

....A simple question from the simple minded. This Tyson **** has been done over and over again and so has Tyson. :)

I agree, done is DONE already, and Tyson is well done! :confused: The fact that the fight against McBride is even a ppv fight says it all..that those greedy people know there are alot of fans out there so deluded they'll pay pretty much ANYTHING to see that particular 'has been' fight again! What a joke. His name alone is not enough to justify a ppv fee of even $20, let alone $40 or $50.

If tyson get his confidence and "wanting for this sport" back i think he may. Brewster/Ruiz/Byrd would be ko'ed in my opinion,but VK is another story. Vitalia would probably stay away fromtyson the whole fight but i can see tyson coming in through the middle to connect a uppercut on VK (he almost caught Lewis on some tries,in the first 2-3rounds). Tyson is only his old self,the first 3 rounds of a fight, but on most ocassion those fist 9minutes are the hardest to get through and not all fighters make it.

Simple question, Can Mike Tyson ever again become undisputed heavyweight champion.

Quit asking the same stupid questions over and over Mckay.

Nonsense. You are fool if you give Tyson no chance against Chris Byrd, Lamon Brewster, or John Ruiz. His only obstacle is Vitali Klistchko. I truly believe if Tyson is 100% focues and in condition and can make a fight of it with Klistchko. People say it will be the same as the Lennox Lewis fight. They might be right if Tyson is out shape and not focused when he fights Klistchko. When he fought Lewis he weighed at his second heaviest ever at 234. If he gets down to 225 or lower he can deal with any of these guys. Klitschko was tagged alot by Corrie Sander. Corrie Sander can crack but Tyson can crack harder. And Tyson at times can be relentless and madman in there if he does run out of stamina. And against Williams Tyson was 233 that was the 3rd highest he ever was.


....I would give him a one punch chance against Byrd but I think Byrd would outbox him. I don't think he would stand any chance against Vit and would get completely crushed. He could possibly beat Brewster and I would favor him over Ruiz. The problem with Tyson is that he just finds a way to self destruct and he is no spring chicken any longer. The one punch thing will always be there but it just doesn't feel like he will be a factor again. Guys have been talking about Tyson getting his **** together again for 10 years and it never happens. IMO even a "head on straight Wlad" would crush him. BTW, Sanders probably cracks harder than Tyson via one punch. Tyson puts harder combo's together but as a one punch assasin I would not want to catch a straight clean punch from Sanders. Wake me when it's over.

Mike Tyson is finished, face it people.

Tyson can crack harder than Corrie? Why, because you say so? Let's see you prove it. Even if Mike does somehow hit harder, it's not by much.

Personally I've seen Tyson's best KO'a and I've seen some of Corrie's and I think Sanders has the bigger punch. Tyson is a better combination puncher but Sander's straight left is just unbelievably quick and strong.

So if Sander's best stuff couldn't KO Vitali, Tyson's won't either. At least not with one punch. He will have to land several shots in quick succession to take Klitschko out. He would have to become a combination puncher again and to quote Martin Lawrence, "**** just ain't gonna mother****ing happen".

In terms of hand speed, I would say Tyson is actually slower than Sanders, and his reach is much worse. So I don't even see him getting to Vitali to begin with, let alone hurting him or KOing him with a big bomb. Vitali is too big, too good, and too smart to get nailed by Midget Mike.

I will say this- if Tyson pulled this one off, I would give the guy some serious respect for once. But before we even theorize this matchup, Tyson needs to prove he's worthy of the fight.

Tyson can crack harder than Corrie? Why, because you say so? Let's see you prove it. Even if Mike does somehow hit harder, it's not by much.

Personally I've seen Tyson's best KO'a and I've seen some of Corrie's and I think Sanders has the bigger punch. Tyson is a better combination puncher but Sander's straight left is just unbelievably quick and strong.

So if Sander's best stuff couldn't KO Vitali, Tyson's won't either. At least not with one punch. He will have to land several shots in quick succession to take Klitschko out. He would have to become a combination puncher again and to quote Martin Lawrence, "**** just ain't gonna mother****ing happen".

In terms of hand speed, I would say Tyson is actually slower than Sanders, and his reach is much worse. So I don't even see him getting to Vitali to begin with, let alone hurting him or KOing him with a big bomb. Vitali is too big, too good, and too smart to get nailed by Midget Mike.

I will say this- if Tyson pulled this one off, I would give the guy some serious respect for once. But before we even theorize this matchup, Tyson needs to prove he's worthy of the fight.
In today`s world of boxing money talks. Tyson can KO the McBrides and the Cliff Ettentine`s of this world and once again find himself in a title match. The people will buy it. The no nothing fans who support a faded and dejected former champ will run roit with any Tyson victory and claim that he is back to his best. I am kinda hoping something weird happens in the McBride fight and Tyson loses. Maybe a McBride loss would convince people he`s finished. but, on second thought, no. I mean, he got KO`ed for the ten count against Danny Williams and his fans still are convinced that he`ll regain his titles. Well, they have my pity!

Not undisputed but I think he could definitley pick up a title.

I think he might..he hits hard as hell still and still has quick hands compared to the rest of the heavys

This has been said 80 million times but Tyson always has a chance in any fight he is in. So who knows what can happen.

Why do you people doubt the lord and saviour of the heavyweight division?

The guy said he's going to get his act together and clean out the division, why not just stfu and bow down?

Tyson will become undisputed.

Why do you people doubt the lord and saviour of the heavyweight division?

The guy said he's going to get his act together and clean out the division, why not just stfu and bow down?

Tyson will become undisputed.

"The guy said he's going to get his act together and clean out the division"

Rippuh, I forgot about that quote Tyson will be undisputed!!!! :D ..... :) .... :boxing:

How about this Rip:
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"The guy said he's going to get his act together and clean out the division"

Rippuh, I forgot about that quote Tyson will be undisputed!!!! :
Really??? Well, in that case i want to change my prediction. Tyson claims this then it must be true. Oh, one problem though, Holyfield has also claimed he`d be undisputed champ! Well, they both can`t be undisputed so whats going on, i mean, they both claim this!

Really??? Well, in that case i want to change my prediction. Tyson claims this then it must be true. Oh, one problem though, Holyfield has also claimed he`d be undisputed champ! Well, they both can`t be undisputed so whats going on, i mean, they both claim this!

Hey I am only playing around damn :D

Simple question, Can Mike Tyson ever again become undisputed heavyweight champion.
i think he can be a champion of one of the alphabets, but I don't think anyone is going to be undisputed in the heavyweight division while Tyson is still actively boxing.

I would say Tyson has a small chance....all of the current champs are really flawed....Brewster has beat two shot fighters in Wladamir and Golota and hasn't really shown all that much..he was almost gone is the Klit fight till wladamir ran out of gas...Byrd can't hit worth a damn and probably wouldn't be able to ge Tyson out, plus he's slowed down a bit which would mean that Tyson could actually hit him....Ruiz...he was down against Golota, was dispatched quickly by Tua, and made a fool of by Jones and Toney....he could wear tyson down but the grabbing thing would work to tyson's advantage since he is only good at close range and could rpobably connect a few times before Ruiz locked him up....Vitali would give Tyson the biggest problem...if he could work the body he could take a lot of steam off vitali's punches and maybe get him to short circuit like his brother and fall over from exhaustion....but tyson usually beats himself way before his opponent does...if he has confidence and some dedication to his training I would say he has a shot...if its the same tyson that has been showing up for the last few years than even McBride has a chance of beating him...I would love to see tyson at the top again though, even if he did get toppled soon after...than he could retire with a little money.

Tyson can crack harder than Corrie? Why, because you say so? Let's see you prove it. Even if Mike does somehow hit harder, it's not by much.

Personally I've seen Tyson's best KO'a and I've seen some of Corrie's and I think Sanders has the bigger punch. Tyson is a better combination puncher but Sander's straight left is just unbelievably quick and strong.

So if Sander's best stuff couldn't KO Vitali, Tyson's won't either. At least not with one punch. He will have to land several shots in quick succession to take Klitschko out. He would have to become a combination puncher again and to quote Martin Lawrence, "**** just ain't gonna mother****ing happen".

In terms of hand speed, I would say Tyson is actually slower than Sanders, and his reach is much worse. So I don't even see him getting to Vitali to begin with, let alone hurting him or KOing him with a big bomb. Vitali is too big, too good, and too smart to get nailed by Midget Mike.

I will say this- if Tyson pulled this one off, I would give the guy some serious respect for once. But before we even theorize this matchup, Tyson needs to prove he's worthy of the fight.

Dude you think Tysons hands are slowe than Sanders?..wow..give Tyson some credit his timing is off but his hands are still quick for a heavy and are quicker than Sanders. Tyson has short powerfull shots, Sanders has a long straight left, If Tyson gets inside on Vitali he will hurt him.

Tyson's hands are slightly quicker than what is average for a heavyweight. Nothing that great anymore. Did you see the Botha fight? Botha was clowning Mike before the poor slob walked into a right hand. If they were to rematch I would probably go with Botha; I doubt he'd make the same mistake twice.

Sanders is quicker for sure.

that was because Tyson was just wailing shots, his timing is off and he has slowed down, and his foot work is nothing like it was in his prime, he was always in a position to attack back in the day becuase off his foot work, but even with all that lacking in the current Tyson he is still able to land on people becuase he still has quick hands for a heavy weight.

Here we go again...

McKay,
How many times this question has already been posted? I would expect this out of someone who just joined.. but you should know better..
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NO :)

Can Tyson take on:

Ruiz? Maybe..
Brewster? No.. Brewster has a great chin and it will be Tyson/Williams II
Klitchko? No..
Byrd? Maybe.. I don't see Byrd KO Tyson, but Tyson will run out of gas, so I wonder what would happen :dunno:

Ha-ha! Everything was funny funny, vdiary! You made me laugh so much! Spokoinoi nochi!

Can Tyson take on:

Ruiz? Maybe..
Brewster? No.. Brewster has a great chin and it will be Tyson/Williams II
Klitchko? No..
Byrd? Maybe.. I don't see Byrd KO Tyson, but Tyson will run out of gas, so I wonder what would happen :dunno:

Tyson Willims 2?..dude Tyson hurt his knee he couldnt get any leverage on his shots, He almost KO'ed Williams in the 1st round.

Can Tyson take on:

Ruiz? Maybe..
Brewster? No.. Brewster has a great chin and it will be Tyson/Williams II
Klitchko? No..
Byrd? Maybe.. I don't see Byrd KO Tyson, but Tyson will run out of gas, so I wonder what would happen :dunno:

so what has bewster done to say Tyson cant compete with him, if u are sayin it because he KOed Golota in one then u are crazy, that means nothing, if it does then hey Tyson beat Ettinee in 49 secs and Brewster lost to him, it all means absolutley nothing, Tyson can compete with anyone in the division, he will prove it and every one will be back on the Tyson bandwagon after he wins another Title. I wanna see Tyson vs Sam Peter, So Tyson can put that bum to sleep,

to put things into perspective i knew that tyson was going to get his ass handed to him by lennox.
at this place in time with all the clowns in the hvywght division, if tyson shows he's at least trying to get in shape and wins over this cornfed less muscular golata big type mcbride without being disqualified for frustrated behavior, then the other belt holders are going to have to look at him,it would mean a big payday. and for the majority of the belt holding hvywght clowns if tyson goes ballistic for the first few rounds he could get lucky and win a belt. then with selective breeding of controled matchups by the criminals arum and king it could be made possible for mike to increduously become undisputed hvywght king.

but i would much rather see a 300lb slow dangerous tua fight a maniacal tyson. i can see these guys going toe to toe on their knees after the fourth round. both are the dirtiest fighters. and if they have a wwf ref do the referreeing of this event this fight could be a bigger money maker than any of the other heavyweight matchups.

so what has bewster done to say Tyson cant compete with him, if u are sayin it because he KOed Golota in one then u are crazy, that means nothing, if it does then hey Tyson beat Ettinee in 49 secs and Brewster lost to him, it all means absolutley nothing, Tyson can compete with anyone in the division, he will prove it and every one will be back on the Tyson bandwagon after he wins another Title. I wanna see Tyson vs Sam Peter, So Tyson can put that bum to sleep,
No, what I'm saying is that Tyson runs out of gas and runs out of gas quick as his tank is nearly empty.

We know Brewster can take punishment.. (W. Klitchko)

So if Tyson doesn't take him down in the first 2 rounds (which is unlikely) Brewster wins!

No, what I'm saying is that Tyson runs out of gas and runs out of gas quick as his tank is nearly empty.

We know Brewster can take punishment.. (W. Klitchko)

So if Tyson doesn't take him down in the first 2 rounds (which is unlikely) Brewster wins!

Tyson would destroy Brewster. Tyson can fight at any pace wants vs Brewster. And Tyson has been working on his pacing according to Fenech. And that is something Tyson needs to work on. Tyson has been sparring already 8 rounds in training. That is good for him. IF he comes in vs McBride weighing like 221 from all that sparring and running, he will be a force to be reckoned with. No way is Brewster or Byrd going to be able to defeat Tyson if he is in shape and focused. Tyson can fight at any pace he wants vs those two. Ruiz might be tough, but fighting with Tyson inside is a bad neighborhood and Ruiz has a bad chin. Vitali Klistchko can be hurt when you get inside on him and there is a scarcely a fighter better at working his way in landing shots than Tyson. If Tyson gets that quick inside uppercut cracking and that left jab cracking. He will be hard to stop. Tyson's uppercurts are sooooo devastating.

the guys tyson cannot beat:
byrd, toney, vk, brewster, rahman... they're all too durable, too tough...

the guys tyson could possibly beat, but i'd still make him the underdog:
ruiz, wlad, donald, holy

the guys tyson would beat:
golota, fres, mccline, barrett


undisputed champ again???? hell NO

the guys tyson cannot beat:
byrd, toney, vk, brewster, rahman... they're all too durable, too tough...

the guys tyson could possibly beat, but i'd still make him the underdog:
ruiz, wlad, donald, holy

the guys tyson would beat:
golota, fres, mccline, barrett


undisputed champ again???? hell NO

Rahman has a bad chin and would get knocked out. He was knocked out of the ring by Old Oleg Maskeav. Brewster has no skills in comparison to Tyson and the strategy of letting Tyson use his skull as cathers mit until he runs out stamina wont work with Tyson. Byrd has absolutely no deterrent to Tyson's offence and is not that durable really. Tyson would pound Toney mercifully to the body and give him his first career stoppage loss. Klistchko is the only opponent that can give a well conditioned focused and well paced Tyson problems. Dont forget that Vitali Klistchko has stamina problems of his own, however he negates it by his intelligent pacing and selection of punches.

Rahman has a bad chin and would get knocked out. He was knocked out of the ring by Old Oleg Maskeav. Brewster has no skills in comparison to Tyson and the strategy of letting Tyson use his skull as cathers mit until he runs out stamina wont work with Tyson. Byrd has absolutely no deterrent to Tyson's offence and is not that durable really. Tyson would pound Toney mercifully to the body and give him his first career stoppage loss. Klistchko is the only opponent that can give a well conditioned focused and well paced Tyson problems. Dont forget that Vitali Klistchko has stamina problems of his own, however he negates it by his intelligent pacing and selection of punches.


rahman has been KO'd, but he's durable and can box when he has a 1 dimensional fighter like tyson in front of him, see his fights with tua.... byrd could box circles around tyson as would toney... VK stamina's problems are a myth til proven, he has several late round KO's...

Let's not forget we area talking about a 40 year old, inactive, injured tyson... he hasn't even beaten a DECENT opponent in years.. i dont see how he'll beat the contenders and champions of today... i'll admit that ruiz, rahman, byrd, toney, vk aren't the greatest crop of heavyweights, but to think that tyson at this stage of his career can beat all of them is crazy... tyson has done NOTHING to suggest that he can still compete with them...

rahman has been KO'd, but he's durable and can box when he has a 1 dimensional fighter like tyson in front of him, see his fights with tua.... byrd could box circles around tyson as would toney... VK stamina's problems are a myth til proven, he has several late round KO's...

Let's not forget we area talking about a 40 year old, inactive, injured tyson... he hasn't even beaten a DECENT opponent in years.. i dont see how he'll beat the contenders and champions of today... i'll admit that ruiz, rahman, byrd, toney, vk aren't the greatest crop of heavyweights, but to think that tyson at this stage of his career can beat all of them is crazy... tyson has done NOTHING to suggest that he can still compete with them...

Tyson's handspeed is just as good as Byrd's and Byrd's skills are overrate. Byrd is just totally overrated in general sence. He lost to Andrew Golota quite clearly and he barely made it past Jameel McCline who just lost to Calvin Brock. But he is the boxrec numero uno Heavyweight for what it is worth. And Rahman's chin sucks. He been knocked out alot of times. And he lost to C caliber opponents and been knocked out by them like Maskaev.

I hate when people say like Frank Lotziero that Tyson has not beat a decent fighter since 1991 that is complete bull****. He beat Bruce Seldon for the WBA title in in 1995. He beat Frank Bruno for the WBC title in in 1995 or 1996.

I dont know how you dont count beating chapions like Bruno WBC and Seldon WBA (by early KO no less) as quality wins.

bruce seldon is one of the worse champs of all time, look at his resume.. he never beaten a good fighter... he only became champ cause he signed with don king... what did he do to ever deserve the title??? nothing...

byrd having close fights with AG and JM, is still more than anything tyson has done in the few years... even if you think byrd lost those fights, it show he belongs in the same league as those guys... rahman has been KO'd, but he also shown some durablity... against sanders he got up off floor to win, tyson has never done that...

this isnt 1987.... its' 2005 and tyson was shut out against lewis unlike rahman... KO'd by williams.. and even struggle to beat botha... he's only fought 4 times in 5 years for just 20 rounds... 2 KO losses, 2 wins over eteinne and neilsen...

bruce seldon is one of the worse champs of all time, look at his resume.. he never beaten a good fighter... he only became champ cause he signed with don king... what did he do to ever deserve the title??? nothing...

byrd having close fights with AG and JM, is still more than anything tyson has done in the few years... even if you think byrd lost those fights, it show he belongs in the same league as those guys... rahman has been KO'd, but he also shown some durablity... against sanders he got up off floor to win, tyson has never done that...

this isnt 1987.... its' 2005 and tyson was shut out against lewis unlike rahman... KO'd by williams.. and even struggle to beat botha... he's only fought 4 times in 5 years for just 20 rounds... 2 KO losses, 2 wins over eteinne and neilsen...

So what he was still champ. Bruno was champ. They were champs. If you beat a champ its a quality win. Look how hard it is get the belt out Ruiz hands. You think Bruce Seldon and Frank Bruno would have no chance againt Ruiz or Byrd or Brewster. I think Bruno could beat all 3 those guys.

So what he was still champ. Bruno was champ. They were champs. If you beat a champ its a quality win. Look how hard it is get the belt out Ruiz hands. You think Bruce Seldon and Frank Bruno would have no chance againt Ruiz or Byrd or Brewster. I think Bruno could beat all 3 those guys.


ever hear of the term "paper champ"??? being a champ doesn't necessarily mean you're a great fighter or even a good one... king is able to buy rankings and title shots... look at what he did for golota, AG went from unranked to mandatory immediately after signing with king... even with all that aside, doesnt change the fact that bruce seldon NEVER beat anyone

ever hear of the term "paper champ"??? being a champ doesn't necessarily mean you're a great fighter or even a good one... king is able to buy rankings and title shots... look at what he did for golota, AG went from unranked to mandatory immediately after signing with king... even with all that aside, doesnt change the fact that bruce seldon NEVER beat anyone

Golota was never the mandatory. Byrd took Golota as his optional title defence. He took McCline also I believe as his option title defence. For some reason the IBF have had no #1 contender (mandatory) ranked for some time.

And Like I said Bruno and Seldon are as good of champs as Brewster and Byrd and Ruiz and Tyson KO'd both of them early. And like said I think Bruno would beat Ruiz Byrd or Brewster. He was not that bad of champion. He only lost 3 times I believe and 2 of those times were to Tyson. The other time was to Lennox Lewis and all his wins were by KO with the exception 2. That is definitely a quality win.

Golota was never the mandatory. Byrd took Golota as his optional title defence. He took McCline also I believe as his option title defence. For some reason the IBF have had no #1 contender (mandatory) ranked for some time.

And Like I said Bruno and Seldon are as good of champs as Brewster and Byrd and Ruiz and Tyson KO'd both of them early. And like said I think Bruno would beat Ruiz Byrd or Brewster. He was not that bad of champion. He only lost 3 times I believe and 2 of those times were to Tyson. The other time was to Lennox Lewis and all his wins were by KO with the exception 2. That is definitely a quality win.


bruno is decent, but that was like 9-10 years ago... seldon just sucks, one of the worse champs in history.... look at the last half decade for tyson, 4 fights, 2 wins against bums... tyson might have one or two more quality wins left him, but i would not make him the favorite over any good opposition... i like tyson, his fights are entertaining, win or lose, but he's just not a top contender anymore...

i can see there's no convicning you, so i'll just wait til tyson loses again, just like when we diagreed with your boy golota....

bruno is decent, but that was like 9-10 years ago... seldon just sucks, one of the worse champs in history.... look at the last half decade for tyson, 4 fights, 2 wins against bums... tyson might have one or two more quality wins left him, but i would not make him the favorite over any good opposition... i like tyson, his fights are entertaining, win or lose, but he's just not a top contender anymore...

i can see there's no convicning you, so i'll just wait til tyson loses again, just like when we diagreed with your boy golota....

I dont care about anybody says. I just cannot picture Chris Byrd in particular or Lamon Brewster defeating Mike Tyson. I just cannot envision that possiblity, it seems so ridiculous to me.

Yes, if Ruiz beats Vitali and Chris Byrd, and Tyson signs with Don King, he can win the unified title.

Yes, if Ruiz beats Vitali and Chris Byrd, and Tyson signs with Don King, he can win the unified title.
If Ruiz beats Vitali and Byrd then i`d pick him to KO Tyson within 6 rounds!

If Ruiz beats Vitali and Byrd then i`d pick him to KO Tyson within 6 rounds!
Yeah, you got a point there!

I dont care about anybody says. I just cannot picture Chris Byrd in particular or Lamon Brewster defeating Mike Tyson. I just cannot envision that possiblity, it seems so ridiculous to me.


how ridiculous was it to envision williams beating tyson??

How can you pick Brewster Byrd or Ruiz to beat Tyson. That is so ridiculous. Tyson has been sparring 8 rounds in training already and working on his pacing so he is not a 2 round fighter anymore. Against somebody slow and unskilled like Brewster he could fight any pace he wanted. Against Byrd who is defensive fighter and does hit with anything serious he could fight at any pace he want and nothing Byrd has in his arsenal can deter Tyson. Byrd would be on the ropes absorbing devastating Tyson bodyshots and uppercuts in fact I think Byrd would be KO'd early. Ruiz likes to fight inside. Fighting inside with Tyson is a very bad neighborhood and John does not have a great chin he would get KO'd. Against Toney. Tyson would pound him to his soft body like has never been attacked before and give Toney his first KO loss.

You say Tyson is not a contender now. He only needs to win 1 fight against a guy like Krasniqui and back into contendership and he can take any of these guys easy as long as he is conditioned and focused. Vitali Klistchko is the only that can give him problems but with Mike Tyson who knows what can happen maybe he can pull off. Maybe he can get inside and hurt Klistchko to the body and land some devastating uppercut and knock him out.

how ridiculous was it to envision williams beating tyson??

It was not ridiculous to me. Tyson looked like **** in training before facing Williams and came in at his 3rd highest weight ever at 233.

Hell I would give Danny Williams a good chance to beat Byrd Ruiz or Brewster as well.

I think if Tyson can fight and win a couple more fights this year he would be in a good position to fight for one of the million alphabet heavyweight titles out there. The key to Tyson's sucess is to stay in condition between fights and to fight alittle more frequenctly than he has in the last decade. IMO if Tyson was fighting 3-4 times a year he would be in peak condition, mentally and physically. Also, I think a rematch and a win over Danny Williams in the late fall would put him in contension for a title shot as well as help him financially.

It was not ridiculous to me. Tyson looked like **** in training before facing Williams and came in at his 3rd highest weight ever at 233.

Hell I would give Danny Williams a good chance to beat Byrd Ruiz or Brewster as well.


i think williams sucks... byrd and ruiz would not be as huge an underdog to tyson like williams was...

I think if Tyson can fight and win a couple more fights this year he would be in a good position to fight for one of the million alphabet heavyweight titles out there. The key to Tyson's sucess is to stay in condition between fights and to fight alittle more frequenctly than he has in the last decade. IMO if Tyson was fighting 3-4 times a year he would be in peak condition, mentally and physically. Also, I think a rematch and a win over Danny Williams in the late fall would put him in contension for a title shot as well as help him financially.


IF he could stay active, but he hasnt been active the last 10 YEARS!!!! what makes you think he'll start now?

IF he could stay active, but he hasnt been active the last 10 YEARS!!!! what makes you think he'll start now?

I heard that Jeff Fenech is a miracle worker and that he has been doing alot of good things with Tyson recently. I have also read varies articles on ESPN.com and on this website on how people who are close to Tyson has seen him work as hard in the gym as he did when he was champ. Also, I'm probaly alittle bit too over-optimistic. ;)

I heard that Jeff Fenech is a miracle worker and that he has been doing alot of good things with Tyson recently. I have also read varies articles on ESPN.com and on this website on how people who are close to Tyson has seen him work as hard in the gym as he did when he was champ. Also, I'm probaly alittle bit too over-optimistic. ;)
Sad to say it, but Aluminum Mike would be a betting favorite vs. any title holder not named Quitali

Iron Mike is simply not the Iron Mike of the past. Mike Tyson does not have the fire in his eyes anymore. He simply wants a paycheck to pay of his debts and he really has not desire to go on. When Mike Tyson was put down by Danny "the Doughboy" Williams did you notice the look on his face?? It wasnt a damn I am hurt look it was more of an oh well I got knocked down and my leg is hurt but I am getting 3 million dollars, I don't feel like getting up. If this were a young Tyson first of all he wouldnt have been knocked down by such a bum. Secondly if he did get knocked down you would have seen this spark in his eye that would have meant he wanted revenge and he was going to get up and kick some serious Ass! Nowadays he is kissing mens hands (Lennox Lewis) and he is very humble. The spirit is gone and he no longer wants to fight, he is in the ring but his spirit is just not there. In the olden days Dr. Vitali poor sport *****ko would have been destroyed by Mike Tyson with ease. Nowadays Mike can't even get the desire to shadow box. And keven Fenech can work Miracles but he can't regenerate a spirit.

No way in hell, IRON Mike Tyson died in 1996 :mad: