BENN

Q: You never did get it on with Roy, why was that? Who was ducking who Nigel?
NB: It's not for me to say. But I'll tell you this - Jones had a choice, his choice was to fight the champion Nigel Benn in a barn-burner or the contender Bernard Hopkins in a snooze-fest. He chose Bernard Hopkins. Jones can't deny that because it's what happened. He won one of the WBC International belts at super middle at the same time that I was the main WBC super middle belt holder, when Chris Eubank had one of those WBC International belts he landed a fight with me shortly after. Okay, Jones had been the mandatory for the IBF middle but he was also offered the chance to fight me for my main WBC belt at his new weight and I was up for it. I was right up for it. I saw some of his fights and rubbed my hands together because I knew it could be a right old tear-up. But why would Jones drop back down to middle to fight for a lesser title? I don't know, only he can answer that.

Here's how Benn said he'd fight Roy Jones in 1996: "I'd have no choice but to throw absolutely everything at him for three of four rounds and hope for the best. I'm not the fighter I used to be so I'm not going out of my way to make a fight with him. I went out of my way to make a fight with him in the past but he dodged me, plain and simple. I'm past my best now but still dangerous enough to give Jones hell if he wants some."

EUBANK

Chris Eubank: People always ask me why I never fought Roy Jones. The reason is simple, Roy Jones was never my mandatory contender and I was never his. He used to call me up over the phone and say "Eubank, stop hiding and give Roy a shot", but at that time he was not a big name and there would of been no need to fight him, it would of been abit random. When 1996 was on the scene, I wanted to fight Roy Jones in his backyard and even told HBO that I'd publicly bet $1,000,000 on knocking him out in the 1st-round. When I rang Roy Jones, he hung up on me every time. He wouldn't fight me when I was no longer champion, he didn't want to take risks you see. I can say this about a fight with Roy Jones, if he had been my mandatory I would of fought him, I am a professional. People think that I would of made a fight with him become boring and louzy, I would not have done. If you hold back against that guy, he will hurt you and stun you before you have the chance to throw your best shots at him and by then it's too late because they won't be your best shots, you will be hurt and stunned already. If you give him the chance to view and the time to get set, he will land first because his quickness and timing is that good. That's why I would of made it an all-out war with him, so that I'd have more chance of throwing my best shots at him and so there would be less chance of him landing his best shots on me. You don't want to make life easy for him, I would of stood as good a chance as anybody of beating him. Roy Jones would of came out of the fight in bad shape, but I would of came out worse off!

QUESTION: Steve, Roy Jones Jnr showed absolutely no interest in fighting you for a unification fight at super-middleweight. It's difficult to believe that the man who has been the best pound-for-pound fighter for the past 10 years or more would have been scared of you in the slightest. What was the real reason the fight never even got to the negotiation table?
James Slattery

STEVE COLLINS: Well James, I travelled to Pensacola to see Roy Jones fight and I actually climbed into the ring after his fight. I accused him of avoiding me and I challenged him live on national TV. At the post-fight conference I spoke to Jones and the press, I called him a coward and a yellow dog and I offered to fight him, winners take all. I would have beaten Roy Jones and he knew it!

Well It's no secret that Roy Jones has spent a lot of his career avoiding the best in each division.

I think the reason was because Gerald McClellan was a friend of his, and after seeing what happened to him, it changed Roy forever... He only ever looked for fights that he KNEW he could win, or fights agaist fighters that weren't dangerous.

He's been quite vocal about this... I don't wanna harp on about Joe Calzaghe, but Roy Jones openly admitted - "I'll never fight Joe Calzaghe coz' he's too dangerous, he's fast, powerfull, hungry, and unbeaten. I can make easier money defending my belts against easier fighters".

That really F**ked me off when Jones said that, and I lost a lot of respect for him.

It's reasons like this why I can never consider Roy Jones Jnr to be one of the best ever. The guy is a laughing stock. He got beat by Tarver and Johnson who are two guys who wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes with Benn, Eubank or Collins at their respective peaks. Calzaghe would still mop the floor with him now.

It's reasons like this why I can never consider Roy Jones Jnr to be one of the best ever. The guy is a laughing stock. He got beat by Tarver and Johnson who are two guys who wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes with Benn, Eubank or Collins at their respective peaks. Calzaghe would still mop the floor with him now.
he got beat at the end of his career so what, all fighters do, do you honestly believe that they would have beat Roy at 168, you are crazy, And talkin bout respective peaks, Roy dominates Cal***gie, Eubank, Collins, and who ever else when he was at 168, Cal***gie nneds to stop ducking Lacy and fight, who has he fought? and he seems to have allot of respect, Roy may not be the Ryo of old now but at 168 he was unstoppable and u kno it.

Last time I checked, Benn got his ass reamed by Malinga. Jones KOed Malinga in his next fight. This thread is a moot point. No one listed will ever be inducted in the HOF and will be an afterthought in the history books. All the excuses come from the haters. Jones would have destroyed everyone you listed above during that period of time. To think otherwise would be nothing more than ignorance. Even if you hate Roy you can't take away from his ability and what he accomplished.

I hear what you guys are saying, "Roy Jones Junior would have destroyed this guy, and would have destroyed that guy!" But the problem is, that's just opinion.

This is why Roy Jones Junior's career is kinda frustrating, because we'll never know how good he could have been or whether he would have beaten the guy's above because he refused to fight the best in each division. :dunno:

that juy juy character constantly makes rj hate threads and comes up with these lame excuses as to why rj didnt fight british fighters.

nigel benn had his chance but lost to thulane malinga(sp?)

eubank didnt give roy an oppurtunity when roy was on the come up, so why does roy jones have to give eubank a shot when eubank was clearly on the downside of his career?

collins is a joke that people with a british bias like to hype up. if roy jones were to fight and beat him they'd say the same thing they did when he beat down clinton woods, he fights nobodies

Last time I checked, Benn got his ass reamed by Malinga. Jones KOed Malinga in his next fight. This thread is a moot point. No one listed will ever be inducted in the HOF and will be an afterthought in the history books. All the excuses come from the haters. Jones would have destroyed everyone you listed above during that period of time. To think otherwise would be nothing more than ignorance. Even if you hate Roy you can't take away from his ability and what he accomplished.

I understand what your saying, i agree roy would have beaten benn but in the fight after Benn Malinga did not get beat by jones

Roy would have destroyed Nigel Benn with ease. Eubank was clearly downhill and Collins is a bum. He was nothing, never at Roy Jones Jr level. Everyone just takes shots at Jones and try to discredit him, stop the roy jones hating and just realize how great he really was.

ok we have 3 fighters saying roy jones ducked them,

EVERYONE wanted roy jones so the list could be much longer forever... he was the only thing coming close to a money cow from 160 to 175 for like 10 years

Benn
wanted to fight roy jones at his "NEW WEIGHT", bs weighin in at 163-164 for 3 fights does not mean you are a full fledged 168 fighter, and in fact jones had no trouble making 160 for hopkins

Eubank
read the fix post

steve collins...
come on...

as for jones losing his last 2 fights at 35... after 15 years in which he lost like 20 rounds total...
you really don't know **** about boxing if you think that age does not matter for a fighter who relies on speed and reflexes and is fighting above his natural weight

this thread is a joke...go on ahead and move this to page 12 or something..blah

just being honest here,i know jones is one of the best american fighters in the past 30 years,however,

if he would've fought nigel benn,he would've los

benn not only punched twice as hard as roy but also had more of a warrior instinct

Roy at 168 loses to no one watch a few of his fights there. He beat lots of very good fighters but was always looking for the most money with less risk this is true but he made Viril Hill, HBhop, Gruffin, and Toney look like bums.

when benn was fighting..roy wasnt in his prime yet..he was young

when benn was fighting..roy wasnt in his prime yet..he was young
Roy was scared of Benn... Benn was a warrior that would have done to Roy Jones what Glen Johnson did to him, (only it would have happened 10yrs earlier).

Benn just kept coming forward throwing Bombs... That is the worst style for Roy Jones to be up against!

Roy knew that fighting Nigel Benn would be stepping into very dangerous ground.

Roy was scared of Benn... Benn was a warrior that would have done to Roy Jones what Glen Johnson did to him, (only it would have happened 10yrs earlier).

Benn just kept coming forward throwing Bombs... That is the worst style for Roy Jones to be up against!

Roy knew that fighting Nigel Benn would be stepping into very dangerous ground.

too bad the jones that fight johnson is an old man... the jones that beat toney would have murdered benn with counters all night

Roy was scared of Benn... Benn was a warrior that would have done to Roy Jones what Glen Johnson did to him, (only it would have happened 10yrs earlier).

Benn just kept coming forward throwing Bombs... That is the worst style for Roy Jones to be up against!

Roy knew that fighting Nigel Benn would be stepping into very dangerous ground.

too bad the jones that fight johnson is an old man... the jones that beat toney would have murdered benn with counters all night
Read it again...

Read it again...

I read it carefully the first time around.

I will state my opinion more extensively, so you don't think I overread your posts...

it would not have happened, because the jones that benn would have fought, if they fought when jones was a true 168 fighter (94-95) would have murdered benn with counters.

if benn would have thought jones at the time of the hopkins bout, maybe benn would have beat a 160 fighter, MAYBE

you cannot blame jones for wanting to fight benn, at a similar weight on fight night

Roy would have destroyed Nigel Benn with ease. Eubank was clearly downhill and Collins is a bum. He was nothing, never at Roy Jones Jr level. Everyone just takes shots at Jones and try to discredit him, stop the roy jones hating and just realize how great he really was.


Agreed - RJJ gets the bum end of the deal with the fans for some reason. He would have absolutely destroyed the names mentioned.

Agreed - RJJ gets the bum end of the deal with the fans for some reason. He would have absolutely destroyed the names mentioned.

I don't think he would have destroyed anyone except for collins, he would have one-sidedly decision them with the boring pit-pat-move and counter style he puts on with dangerous opponents (hop, toney)

I read it carefully the first time around.

I will state my opinion more extensively, so you don't think I overread your posts...

it would not have happened, because the jones that benn would have fought, if they fought when jones was a true 168 fighter (94-95) would have murdered benn with counters.

if benn would have thought jones at the time of the hopkins bout, maybe benn would have beat a 160 fighter, MAYBE

you cannot blame jones for wanting to fight benn, at a similar weight on fight night
I reckon RJJ kept WELL AWAY from Nigel Benn because he knew that Benn was extremely dangerous, (Benn could drag you into a WAR whether you liked it or not!)

RJJ has spent a lot of his career going up and down in weight, picking the IBF belt this time, and the WBC belt that time etc... Because he's looking for the easiest belt, and the easiest fight. RJJ openly admits that he wouldn't fight certain fighters throughout his career saying, "Why fight a guy that's hungry, powerfull, and unbeaten when I can defend my belt against easier fighters?"

That's not the kind of thing you'd hear coming out of the mouth of say Kostya Tszyu for example.

I agree - but lets not build Nigel Benn into some kind of MW/SMW legend, cos he wasnt.

I agree - but lets not build Nigel Benn into some kind of MW/SMW legend, cos he wasnt.
I don't think Nigel Benn will ever go down as a legend!... LOL!...

But he certainly had as much heart as I've seen in any fighter.

And I do think that his style was perfect for disposing of Roy Jones Junior!

Roy at 168 loses to no one watch a few of his fights there. He beat lots of very good fighters but was always looking for the most money with less risk this is true but he made Viril Hill, HBhop, Gruffin, and Toney look like bums.

Yeah, except one thing there. Jones fought Griffin and Virgill Hill at 175. And he fought Virgil Hill directly the fight after Hlll lost to Michalczewski.

AT 175 Jones avoided all the good fighters. He would never figh Michalczewski, he would never fight Rochigiani, he would never fight Michael Nunn. Like MartinWBC said Jones avoided all the best in every division. He would not fight Calzaghe at 168. He would not fight Michalczewski Rochigiani or Nunn at Lt Heavy etc...

But I remember him fighting alot of bumbs on HBO like that part time boxer full time cop from New York. Instead of Championship caliber oppositition.

I don't think Nigel Benn will ever go down as a legend!... LOL!...

But he certainly had as much heart as I've seen in any fighter.

And I do think that his style was perfect for disposing of Roy Jones Junior!

Sorry i was a bit OTT there - the one thing i would say is that his heart was also overated - as he quit on the stool against Collins.

Yeah, except one thing there. Jones fought Griffin and Virgill Hill at 175. And he fought Virgil Hill directly the fight after Hlll lost to Michalczewski.

AT 175 Jones avoided all the good fighters. He would never figh Michalczewski, he would never fight Rochigiani, he would never fight Michael Nunn. Like MartinWBC said Jones avoided all the best in every division. He would not fight Calzaghe at 168. He would not fight Michalczewski Rochigiani or Nunn at Lt Heavy etc...

But I remember him fighting alot of bumbs on HBO like that part time boxer full time cop from New York. Instead of Championship caliber oppositition.

this is going to be my last post on this thread cos i am bored of this, so you can all answer what you want I don't care, you (mckay and martinwbc) can keep on pumping up your countrymen (note that I lived in europe from my birth till september (And I will hopefully go back someday, and I am a proud son of parents both born and raised in my country, which I won't name, but is most definitely in Europe):

Virgil Hill
if jones picked on easy money and belts he would not have fought hill after dm, with no belts on the line, instead he dis and stopped him in 4 rounds with a body shot

Rochigiani was nothing special

Nunn was past his prime, I don't know why nunn is constantly broght up as a dodged 175er its beyond me, nunn wasn't a great figter even at 168, moreover he did not have a style that would have been so troublesome for jones, if they fought at 160 prime for prime it would be different but nunn at 175 is not so special

dm
jones ducked dm as much as dm ducked jones, end of the story

calzaghe at 168
if anything it should have been him moving to 175 to face the more estabilished jones, instead of fighting bums at 168 and crying about it

Yeah, except one thing there. Jones fought Griffin and Virgill Hill at 175. And he fought Virgil Hill directly the fight after Hlll lost to Michalczewski.

AT 175 Jones avoided all the good fighters. He would never figh Michalczewski, he would never fight Rochigiani, he would never fight Michael Nunn. Like MartinWBC said Jones avoided all the best in every division. He would not fight Calzaghe at 168. He would not fight Michalczewski Rochigiani or Nunn at Lt Heavy etc...

But I remember him fighting alot of bumbs on HBO like that part time boxer full time cop from New York. Instead of Championship caliber oppositition.
I know what you mean man... How many Glenn Kelly's - Gonzalez's - Clinton Woods - etc did we have to sit through whilst Bernard Hopikns and Joe Calzaghe were jumping up and down wanting to go up in weight and challenge him!

Sorry i was a bit OTT there - the one thing i would say is that his heart was also overated - as he quit on the stool against Collins.
I dunno... He got knocked down a few times in the Gerald McClellan fight and took some MASSIVE blows, but never gave up... And went on to win!

Nigel Benn was totally 'shot it' by the time he lost his title to Malinga (who he'd already beaten in his prime) and would of lost to Roy Jones in 1996 certainly. But in 1993 it would of been an entirely different story.

Chris Eubank was very awkward and would of gave Jones Jr fits with his strange style, he also had a nasty right hand in reserve if needed and I can see him catching Jones Jr under pressure and winning. I can't see Jones Jr beating Eubank unless his chin somehow holds out (Johnson proved Jones Jr's chin was poor all along). I can see Eubank catching him with the right hand (as he often did when under pressure).

Steve Collins was a journeyman boxer from 1986-1994, he wasn't a bruiser he was just a boxer back then. But then he came to Britain, started working under Freddie Roach, hired a psychologist etc, moved up in weight, and called himself 'The Celtic Warrior'.. and that is when he became a world-beater! THAT Collins was awesome, a marauding warrior with a new lease of life, coming forward non-stop and wearing his opponents down with his chin and toughness. He was like a man on a mission when he beat Benn and Eubank, a man posessed, and THAT Collins would of taken Jones Jr to places that he has never been before.

At the end of the day, Jones Jr BLATANTLY avoided Collins and Eubank. That you cannot deny. It's difficult to see Benn beating Jones Jr, but very easy to see Jones Jr having plenty of trouble with Eubank and Collins. I'm sure Roy watched the Eubank-Collins fight and thought "Uhh, no thanks!".

Did you know that Toney was weighing almost 220lbs just 6 weeks before the Jones Jr fight? He had to get down to 168 FFS. But at 160, when Toney weighed no more than 165-170 between fights, that Toney would of beat Jones Jr.

Benn, Eubank and Collins were World Champions at 168 when Jones Jr was at 168, those four made up the top four fighters at 168, so why didn't Jones Jr fight any of them?? Why are you sticking up for him?




(I've just noticed that somebody said Benn wasn't a legend? Well if Nigel Benn is not a legend then I don't know who is! What he did was incredible, Benn travelled over to America won World titles. Respect, man. He always trained his ass off. Benn then became a two-weight World Champion and made 10 defences of his WBC crown - a few years after Benn retired it had changed hands 10 times! Seeing as Benn came from such a tiny country as England, fresh from the streets of East London, I would say that he is a legend.. and Benn is genuinely the most exciting fighter to ever lace them up!!)

Well It's no secret that Roy Jones has spent a lot of his career avoiding the best in each division.

I think the reason was because Gerald McClellan was a friend of his, and after seeing what happened to him, it changed Roy forever... He only ever looked for fights that he KNEW he could win, or fights agaist fighters that weren't dangerous.

He's been quite vocal about this... I don't wanna harp on about Joe Calzaghe, but Roy Jones openly admitted - "I'll never fight Joe Calzaghe coz' he's too dangerous, he's fast, powerfull, hungry, and unbeaten. I can make easier money defending my belts against easier fighters".

That really F**ked me off when Jones said that, and I lost a lot of respect for him.

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Jones would have beaten the **** out of every guy named here. Eubank was nothing special, maybe in the UK but not in the U.S. All of these fighters were cowards, Jones had all the titles and none of them would fight him on U.S. soil. How does the challenger tell the champion where and when to defend his titles? Juy has been spamming these boards for months with this bull**** Eubank campaign, I'm starting to think its really Eubank posting this crap. Who has Eubank beaten? Benn>? Benn couldnt even beat Malinga who Jones knocked out in 6 rounds!!!

I think Roy beats them all but then again that why fights are won in the ring, not on paper.

Benn and Roy should of lucked horns in 95. Benn had defeated McClellan early in the year and Roy fought Vinny Paz :confused: that same year AND some stiffs the rest of the year.

As a fan of Roy, I wish he would've fought Benn, Liles and
Michalczewski.

i like roy jones

Don't let hatred of Roy get in the way of what is reality. That happens way too much with the haters. Roy would've wiped the floor with everyone listed above. Nigel Benn was overrated and had the fight took place in the USA, McClellan would have won by KO and crossed paths with Jones eventually in his career. As far as Hopkins and Darius go, Hopkins turned down 6 mil (3 times what he made against Trinidad) to take on Roy in the rematch and Darius' punk ass didn't want to step up to the plate and leave Germany.

I would have loved to see Roy fight Eubank..I think he would've beat him but Eubank's whole image made you WANT him to get beat...he was an arrogant prick but funny, specially when he wandered around the ring posing between rounds....funny ****..Roy would ahve wiped the floor with Benn since Benn's defense sucked and he tended to get a little wild...Everybody always claims that this fighter ducked them, usually when said fighter is at the top of the heap and people are pissed that they didn't wind up there....should all be taken with a grain of salt...it happens of course but probably not as often as a number of fighters/promoters would like us to think...unfortunately it usually seems to come down to money in the end.....but those would have been great matches even if Roy swept them. :boxing:

Don't let hatred of Roy get in the way of what is reality. That happens way too much with the haters. Roy would've wiped the floor with everyone listed above. Nigel Benn was overrated and had the fight took place in the USA, McClellan would have won by KO and crossed paths with Jones eventually in his career. As far as Hopkins and Darius go, Hopkins turned down 6 mil (3 times what he made against Trinidad) to take on Roy in the rematch and Darius' punk ass didn't want to step up to the plate and leave Germany.
There ain't no hatred of Roy here... I've got a lot of his fights and I have to say he was an exceptional talent!

But it's true... He did take the easy route everytime.

Baring that in mind... I still have a 1000 times more respect for Roy Jones than I have for Bernard Hopkins.

Even if Roy Jones did very carefully pick his opponents, he still had the imagination and courage to move up the weight classes and (Even if it wasn't the REAL heavyweight champion) take on John Ruiz who was naturally bigger than him.

Instead of old Bernard who just keeps targeting welterweights and lightweights, and if he does get forced into fighting a middleweight - RUNS for 12 rounds!

I've just read four pages of this and to be honest the majority of it's not been worth my while.

How many people on this thread have actually taken their heads out of their asses and stopped knee-jerk reacting long enough to actually READ the thread?

Who gives a **** whether or not RJJ would have beaten Benn and Eubank? (For the record, Eubank has "I doubt it" as his opinion on whether he would have beaten Roy - see his autobiography). The entire point of the whole thread is whether or not Roy ducked them. Doesn't matter what you think the outcome would or wouldn't have been. Doesn't matter if you want to turn this into some "you're just sticking up for Limeys" thread. It's irrevelant.

Did Roy duck them - YES or NO? That's what I read four pages of this for. I didn't get the answer from the majority of these posts.

And Martin - was that Calzaghe quote true?



From Boxing News: Roy claimed he was arranging a fight with Benn but Benn was too busy with a divorce.

Roy was scared of Benn... Benn was a warrior that would have done to Roy Jones what Glen Johnson did to him, (only it would have happened 10yrs earlier).

Benn just kept coming forward throwing Bombs... That is the worst style for Roy Jones to be up against!

Roy knew that fighting Nigel Benn would be stepping into very dangerous ground.
Roy struggled with counter punchers. Harding, Griffen 1 and Tarver. A brawler like Benn W/ a questionable chin goes 5-7 at best W/ Roy Jones in 1996.

I've just read four pages of this and to be honest the majority of it's not been worth my while.

How many people on this thread have actually taken their heads out of their asses and stopped knee-jerk reacting long enough to actually READ the thread?

Who gives a **** whether or not RJJ would have beaten Benn and Eubank? (For the record, Eubank has "I doubt it" as his opinion on whether he would have beaten Roy - see his autobiography). The entire point of the whole thread is whether or not Roy ducked them. Doesn't matter what you think the outcome would or wouldn't have been. Doesn't matter if you want to turn this into some "you're just sticking up for Limeys" thread. It's irrevelant.

Did Roy duck them - YES or NO? That's what I read four pages of this for. I didn't get the answer from the majority of these posts.

And Martin - was that Calzaghe quote true?



From Boxing News: Roy claimed he was arranging a fight with Benn but Benn was too busy with a divorce.
Yeah, you know how these threads have a habit of going off topic. :cool: The quote of Roy jones is true, It was at the time when he was fighting Glen Kelly and it was on the Skysports website, (The article was about RJJ turning down the $6,000,000 offer to fight Joe Calzaghe). And that's when Roy basically said "piss off" to Joe... p.s... Part of the offer was that the fight would be fought in Las Vegas, it was seen as Joe Calzaghe's stepping stone fight. :dunno:

Joe's still in Cardiff... LOL!...

Yeah, I wasn't including you in that, Martin, you have the ability to talk sense. I don't even mind it going off topic... it's just when you've got people who say the same **** that's not based on anything in the actual thread it's annoying. Like when I've backed up a couple of UK fighters on a couple of occasions and you get someone saying "Yo, you back brit fighters cos your a brit" and it's like "No I don't, **** off. Twat."

If that's a true Roy quote then he's a fanny, simple as. I love RJJ but the way he's never justified his talent in the ring bothers me. Look at the first fight with old whatsiface (it's 1am)... that guy he wouldn't go near for several rounds, then KOed when he was down. What a *****wagon.

And an RJJ fan says: "yo fuk you, hater, RJJ KHTFO in the first round on the rematch." So what? He *****wagonned it the first time round.


And another thing (it's rant time!!!) why is it you can never have a sensible conversation about RJJ (it's true of other boxers, but I've noticed this more about Roy than any other...) without being labelled a "nut hugger" or "hater"? Why can't you be a "someone who wants to discuss the pros and cons objectively in an adult manner"?


Okay, rant over...

Jones would have beaten the **** out of every guy named here. Eubank was nothing special, maybe in the UK but not in the U.S. All of these fighters were cowards, Jones had all the titles and none of them would fight him on U.S. soil. How does the challenger tell the champion where and when to defend his titles? Juy has been spamming these boards for months with this bull**** Eubank campaign, I'm starting to think its really Eubank posting this crap. Who has Eubank beaten? Benn>? Benn couldnt even beat Malinga who Jones knocked out in 6 rounds!!!
Have you actually ever watched Benn and Eubank fight? No.

Jones Jr had all the titles?? BULL****. Jones Jr had no titles at all when he was offered a chance to fight the WBC champion Benn in 1993, he turned it down. Jones Jr only ever held the IBF title at 160 and 168, no other titles he held at all. The longest-reigning World Champions at 168 were Benn and Eubank NOT Jones Jr.

Benn beat Malinga's ass in 1992. Any top 20 fighter would of beaten Benn the night he lost his title to Malinga in 1996, Benn was FINISHED in Feb 1995 after the McClellan fight, he had a shadow on the brain after that fight and was clearly a shadow of his former self Post-McClellan.

click the following link limey nuthuggers- http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/box2-00.htm#roy

OWNED!

This is what you call a sensible nd mature way to put this to rest as well as being realistic-

Roy Jones Jr...The Way Things Should Have Been.

By Thomas Gerbasi

1994

Mar 22 Danny Garcia Pensacola, FL KO 6

May 27 Thomas Tate Las Vegas TKO 2 (Retains IBF Middleweight Title)

Aug Abandons Middlewight Title

Nov 18 James Toney Las Vegas W 12 (Wins IBF Super Middleweight Title)

1995

Mar 18 Antoine Byrd Pensacola, FL TKO 1 (Retains IBF Super Middleweight Title)

Jun 24 Vinny Pazienza Atlantic City TKO 6 (Retains IBF Super Middleweight Title)

Sep 30 Tony Thornton Pensacola, FL TKO 3 (Retains IBF Super Middleweight Title)

Between 1994 and 1995, Roy Jones Jr. had six fights (listed above). Thomas Tate and Vinny Pazienza are passable as contenders, and Garcia, Byrd, and Thornton were no hopers against the skills of Jones. The big name which stands out among the above six is James Toney, who at the time of their matchup was considered to be one of the best in the world, pound for pound; a distinction now held by Mr. Jones. In their November 18, 1995 matchup, Jones dominated Toney completely, winning an easy 12 round decision. Since then, the names on Jones' ledger have ranged from the obscure to the ridiculous, with a moderately well known name sprinkled in here and there. Thus, those who debate about such things rate Jones not as one of the greatest to ever lace up the gloves, but one of the biggest talent squanderers to step into the ring.

But let's suppose Jones chose five opponents in 94-95 other than Garcia, Tate, Byrd, Pazienza, and Thornton. For instance let's put Roy in the ring with Steve Collins, Gerald McClellan, Frankie Liles, Chris Eubank, and Nigel Benn. Odds are very strong that the naysayers would be pointing to Jones as an all-time great, and not as a reluctant warrior.

Jones vs. Steve Collins - WBO/IBF Middleweight Title - London, England

Wembley Arena is packed to the gills for this title bout, and the local boy Collins didn't disappoint in the first round, surprising Jones with some deft defensive moves and quick counterpunching. Jones quickly caught on to Collins' scheme though, and proceeded to issue a steady beating to the Irishman in rounds two through four. One judge even scored a 10-8 round for Jones in the fourth.

Collins would not go quietly though, and a steady body attack was starting to affect the American. Rounds eight and nine featured Collins' finest work as he caught Jones on the ropes and pounded him about the arms and body. The tenth and eleventh rounds were tepid affairs, as the two tired warriors circled each other, with only sporadic jabs by Jones winning him the rounds. A second wind was had by both men in the final frame, and the two traded blows until the final gong.

Jones' early lead and late finish made the decision academic: 114-113, 116-112, 116-111 for Roy Jones Jr.

Jones vs. Gerald McClellan - WBO/IBF/WBC Middleweight Title - Las Vegas, Nevada

One of the most anticipated bouts in recent history got off to a slow start, as both men spent the first round feeling each other out. Jones stepped on the gas in the second round, wobbling McClellan with a left hook , and cutting him over the right eye. All three judges scored the second 10-8, and what was expected to be a classic was looking more like a blowout. McClellan crawled back into the fray in rounds three and four, and with the esception of the second round, the fight was shaping up as a chess match. In the seventh round, both men finally went toe to toe, and all sorts of heavy artillery was piercing the outdoor air at Caesar's Palace. The G-Man kept the heat on, and knowing that he was trailing on the scorecards, launched an all out assault in round nine. A well placed left hook to the liver sent Jones to the canvas for the first time in his career. He climbed up at 6 and the bell intervened. With Jones in his sights, McClellan looked to finish things in the tenth. But a left hook to the jaw sent the G-Man sprawling into the ropes. He staggered forward on rubbery legs, and referee Richard Steele didn't allow McClellan to take another punch. Jones wins by 10th Round TKO.

Jones vs. Frankie Liles - IBF/WBA Super Middleweight Title -Pensacola, Florida

After successive victories over Collins, McClellan, and Toney, Frankie Liles looked to be a night off for the multi-talented Jones. No one told Liles. Frankie jumped on Jones at the opening bell, raking his body with lefts and rights, and killing any sort of rhythm Jones wanted to establish. Liles' mugging of Jones continued for three rounds, and the pro-Jones crowd was worried. But have no fear, Pensacola residents, Jones came roaring back in rounds four and five, and Roy's dazzling hand speed and power produced a knockdown of Liles in the sixth stanza. Liles rose at 7, but was dazed. A big left hook to the ribs doubled Liles over, but he remained standing. The bell halted Jones from continuing his assault, but it looked like the end was near. Once again, someone forgot to inform Liles. Gamely refusing to give ground, Liles battled with Jones, outgunned but not outgutted. When the final bell rang, the Pensacola crowd roared not only for the hometown hero, but for the gutty Liles. The decision...115-112, 116-111, 115-112 for..Roy Jones Jr.

Jones vs. Chris Eubank - WBO/WBA/IBF Super Middleweight Title - London, England

The English press warned the world that this fight would either be great or lousy, with no middle ground. They were right. Eubank preened and posed throughout the twelve rounds, fighting sporadically. Jones wasn't much better, content to dance and dazzle with his footwork, and doing just enough to win rounds. The English crowd was not impressed, and a chant quickly came up from the rafters "Benn, Benn, Benn, Benn". After Jones' unanimous decision win was announced (117-113, 118-113, 116-113), the UK would get its wish.

Jones vs. Nigel Benn - Undisputed Super Middleweight Title -London, England

Jones was now an International star, sellling out Wembley Stadium along with local product Nigel Benn. This one was not to be forgotten. Benn had done a lot of trash talking before the fight, and Jones looked to make him pay early and often. A Left hook staggered Benn in the opening minute, and after a barrage of Jones' best, Nigel walked back to his corner on rubbery legs at the bell. Benn turned the tables in the second, and his wild charges took Jones and the crowd by surprise. This was a fight! Jones had the upper hand again in the third round, but in the fourth, a right cross dropped Jones to the floor. Wembley Stadium erupted, but Jones made it up quickly at the count of four. With the crowd still buzzing, the action slowed in the fifth, but picked up again in the sixth. Benn tagged Jones with a couple of haymakers, but paid for his porous defense when a counter right cross by Jones put Benn face down on the canvas. To the surprise of everyone, "The Dark Destroyer" rose to his feet to resume hostilities. Jones was in complete control now, and Benn was ill equipped to handle Jones' onslaught. He survived the round, but the result was now academic. 2:36 into the seventh round, referee Mills Lane stopped the contest, and Roy Jones had unified the Super Middleweight crown.

What if indeed...

( i love that last line )

click the following link limey nuthuggers- http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/box2-00.htm#roy

OWNED!

Yeah, cos the thread was ABOUT whether or not Jones would have won, wasn't it? I thought it was about whether he **** his pants all through his career and ducked fights, but I must be wrong.

And can we stop using "owned" as a riposte and thinking it's in someway witty? Like the thread, it's someone else's material just repeated ad infinitum.

I really don't like RJJ, but come on lets be honest, i have watched all this guys fight at super middleweight and middleweight and the was good, he was very good, don't get me wrong i watched alot of Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank as well, but those guys were not quite in jones's league he would have beaten them.

maybe not easily but he would have Won none the less.
I would say he beats benn TKO10
and Beats Eubank 12UD

Have you actually ever watched Benn and Eubank fight? No.

Jones Jr had all the titles?? BULL****. Jones Jr had no titles at all when he was offered a chance to fight the WBC champion Benn in 1993, he turned it down. Jones Jr only ever held the IBF title at 160 and 168, no other titles he held at all. The longest-reigning World Champions at 168 were Benn and Eubank NOT Jones Jr.

Benn beat Malinga's ass in 1992. Any top 20 fighter would of beaten Benn the night he lost his title to Malinga in 1996, Benn was FINISHED in Feb 1995 after the McClellan fight, he had a shadow on the brain after that fight and was clearly a shadow of his former self Post-McClellan.

I've seen plenty of their fights, including against eachother. Stop making the bull**** Malinga excuses because he beat Benn the first time and WAS ROBBED, Malinga had to chase him in order to get the rematch. The same Malinga that almost beat Eubank as well, the same Malinga that the UK press thought should of gotten the decision against both Eubank and Benn. The same Malinga Eubank never wanted to fight again. The same Malinga that ran into Jones the following year and knocked out.

(well Eubank was undoubtedly the most hated man in England so let's just clear that up).

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Malinga knocked down after 4-5 rounds by both Benn and Eubank but somehow managed to get back up (because he was fighting for the World title in those fights). When he fought Jones Jr he got knocked down after 6 rounds and quit, he didn't bother getting back up (because Jones Jr wasn't a World title holder at the time).

The blame for those fights not taking place probably has more to do with what was best for Roy(like every other fighter's decisions) and the mandatory defenses he was obliged to take. If they were so logical and necessary why didn't any of the organizations whose belts Roy had mandate that he meet any of those guys?

I know Michachewski vacated several titles and held on to only his WBO title for some reason. He HAD earned them, no argument there but Roy would have been more daring to go fight him in Germany instead of Mike Tyson anywhere else, if he'd done that. Tell me otherwise! Mich could have come here. He chose not to. And I know, there've been shady decisions in the US too! Still, can anyone argue that Roy FEARED any of those guys and that alone was why HE didn't fight em?

It's most likely a scenario similar to everyone wanting to fight Oscar over the years; he's got the credibility, they want it plus the bucks they'd get ... it's that simple.

I'll agree that he shares some of the "blame" but EVERY fighter with the number of fights Roy had, if scrutinized this way has fights and non-fights to answer for.

Why the **** would anyone want to fight someone who fights as dirty as Nigel Benn?

Why the **** would anyone want to fight someone who fights as dirty as Nigel Benn?

http://www.boxingpress.de/fotos/Hopkins3beltsb.jpg

Money.

Ooooooooooh yeah.

Ooooooooooh yeah.

Either way. Taylor is going to find out what dirty really means.

To be honest, I would never have fought Nigel Benn or Chris Eubank. I'd fight Roy Jones before I fought either of those. I'd probably fight Benn before I'd fight Eubank (and that's saying something!), you do need guts to step in with Eubank.

When Eubank was pressured, he could unleash a NASTY right hand when you least expect. Eubank was on the verge of being stopped late on against Benn but then dummied a left hand punch and threw a big right instead, it rocked Benn to his boots and the fight was won... Eubank collapsed through exhaustion late on against Michael Watson, but rose off the canvas to land a right uppercut that disabled Watson... Eubank was losing against European champ Ray Close but then out of nowhere landed a big right late on which caused it to be scored a draw and he kept his title... Eubank was losing against Steve Collins but then out of nowhere landed a big right late on and had Collins in more trouble with a single punch than he had ever been before in his life (Eubank had terrible flashbacks to when he disabled Watson though and literally spent the rest of the round posturing to the crowd and purposely allowing Collins to recover!)... against Calzaghe, Eubank was in trouble right at the end but then suddenly caught the granite-chinned Calzaghe with thumping right hands and only the ropes kept Calzaghe up in the dying seconds of the fight...

You could hit Eubank with a baseball bat and he'd stand there smiling at you, his chin was unreal and when he was under pressure he had that big right hand in reserve. I would not of gone anywhere near him and I don't blame Jones Jr for staying away either. He was a strong man and clearly had talent, it really is a shame that he always seemed to fail to press home his advantages, he preferred to do only just enough to win Post-Watson - fighting sporadically and purposely not putting much force into his punches.. that's how I mean he always had reserve (but Jones Jr would of brought that reserve out! which is why I would of put my money on Eubank beating him).

Who said that, Juy?

Who said that, Juy?
Me. I probably would fight them if it was a shot at the World title, but I'd be very nervous fighting Benn or Eubank, I'd be more nervous fighting them than Jones Jr.

Yeah because once Roy Jones Jr. knew he had you beat, he wouldn't go for the kill, because he feared getting caught himself, so he would go in cruise control.

I don't know anything about Eubank, but with a guy like Benn his main goal in a fight was to not just win by knockout but to hurt you. He seemed to fight with anger...satanic anger.

Benn was sick, every punch he threw carried bad intentions. His early career was ridiculously malicious, the guy was a maniac.. bashing guys about left, right and centre.

Benn wrote a book about his boxing career...I think it was called "The Dark Destroyer"...pretty interesting...he paints himself as a pretty nice guy....he started being a full time DJ after he retired...said the McClennen (am I spelling that right?) took it all out of him even though he thought it was his finest fight...it was a great one too...the ending was rough but Benn showed a lot of heart getting back into the fight after getting knocked through the ropes...makes me think maybe his first fight with Eubank shouldn't have been stopped...Benn was dangerous when he was hurt and I just watched the first Eubank fight again the other day and Benn was getting hit but he was throwing back too...I would have loved to see those two against some of the top american competition that was around at the time although the british scene was really good at the time for middleweights too...

I'll tell you who I think had a great career in front of him if he wasn't injured ... Michael Watson!

He was a smooth boxer.

I'll tell you who I think had a great career in front of him if he wasn't injured ... Michael Watson!

He was a smooth boxer.
Can't disagree with that. He would of had McCallum's ticket the night he fought Eubank in the re-match.

For those Jones Jr nut-huggers who believe that Benn, Eubank and Collins were bums!

Jones Jr himself has respect for all of them...

Jones Jr on Benn: "At one time, Benn was 22 - 0 with 22 knock outs. That's hard to do. Oscar De La Hoya didn't do that, Roy Jones didn't do that. Nobody hardly got that far with straight knock outs, not even Mike Tyson did it. Nobody still fighting today has done it, Benn has got furthest, not De La Hoya or anyone. I got about 17, I think. So, that tells you something about his punching power." - 1996, "You discount Benn's boxing skills at your peril." - 1994, "He was truly a warrior." - 1996, "he's been one of the best come forward fighters of the last 10 years." - 1996.

Jones Jr on Eubank "Chris was a good champion, a good champion, he was great for the sport, especially in England where he was based. You see, it was that he was an amazing charactor, very colourful, made you smile, but also defended his belt over and over. It's a shame that he didn't have his second reign as champion when he moved up to Cruiser, him doing that is what gave me the idea to move up to see if I could become champ in the Heavy's - it inspired me slightly, I had that idea in the back off my head from then. Now, he didn't give me a shot when I was climbing, but I salute you Mr Eubanks!" - 2003, "His style was this curious mixture of power, skill, unorthodox movement and some downright sloppy moments that included a long, loopy overhand right that made me smile that every time I saw it thrown. No but he was a great fighter who needed more challenges. Toney gave his people a contract to sign but they wouldn't sign, that's the downside to him. But no, I like Chris." - 1997.

Jones Jr on Collins: "Stevie Collins would be a great fight because he's always there, good staying power. I think he could get some shots in on me because he's developed into being very, very competent, I think he's come a long ways from the days he was losing his shots. But ofcourse I'd be hitting back and hurting him, but he's got heart. I just think that with Collins, he'd be taking too many shots to get a win over Roy. But he is a warrior and has worked hard for a place at the top table. To send Eubanks and Benn into retirement is something that I wanted to do to make a name for myself in Europe and England, but he got there first." - 1997.

Jones Jr on Calzaghe: "He beat Eubank, and Chris said that he's never been hit so hard." - Jan 2001. It's true that Calzaghe is an excellent fighter but he needs more challenges, but you must realise that Roy is older now and Roy will struggle to go back down to 168 because Roy is older. I just think with Calzaghe that he's a fast starter, a good finisher, great chin, great stamina, and he's a southpaw. Oh my God! He's this guy who picks you off with fast combinations, and if he gets on top of you he keeps on top of you, he won't let you up for air. We have a lot in common: he becomes World champ four years after turning pro, he thanks God after he won his World champs, his father trained him up, he won lot's of amateur stuff coming up through the weights, and most of all he has told me that his last loss was when he was on the receiving end of a dodgy decision in Russia or Romania with the judges from over there. I respect him." - Dec 2001.

Cheers fella for digging out the quotes...

Jones Jr on Calzaghe: "He beat Eubank, and Chris said that he's never been hit so hard. It's true that Calzaghe is an excellent fighter but he needs more challenges, but you must realise that Roy is older now and Roy will struggle to go back down to 168 because Roy is older. I just think with Calzaghe that he's a fast starter, a good finisher, great chin, great stamina, and he's a southpaw. Oh my God! He's this guy who picks you off with fast combinations, and if he gets on top of you he keeps on top of you, he won't let you up for air. We have a lot in common: he becomes World champ four years after turning pro, he thanks God after he won his World champs, his father trained him up, he won lot's of amateur stuff coming up through the weights, and most of all he has told me that his last loss was when he was on the receiving end of a dodgy decision in Russia or Romania with the judges from over there. I respect him."
When i hear Roy himself say this i will belive that.

It's interesting that Jones Jr said that he didn't want to fight Calzaghe, and we all know that Benn and Eubank were better than Calzaghe!

When i hear Roy himself say this i will belive that.
It's in Boxing Monthly. Also after the Glen Kelly fight he says that he won't fight Calzaghe, so try find the interviews around that time.

Interview with Joe Calzaghe

Donald McRae
Monday April 25, 2005
The Guardian

Joe Calzaghe should be flying. He should be blazing across the sporting skyline with his perfect arc of statistics trailing behind him. In his eighth year as world champion, and unbeaten after 38 fights, Calzaghe will make the 16th successive defence of his WBO super-middleweight title in Germany a week on Saturday. The Welshman is being paid £736,000 to face his mandatory challenger, Mario Veit, a man he knocked out in the first round when they met in 2001.

Calzaghe has not lost a fight for 15 years. His last defeat, as a gifted amateur, happened in 1990 when a trio of East European judges decided that an outclassed Romanian had done enough in remaining on his feet to be gifted the verdict. Calzaghe's sculpted face, meanwhile, remains unblemished and explains why he was recently voted the best-looking man in Wales.

"So Joe," I begin, "why has your career never really taken off?"

Sitting on the blue apron of the ring in his father's Newbridge Boxing Club - with the starkness of an ugly concrete building accentuated by the beauty of the surrounding valleys - Calzaghe shakes his head. The question does not surprise him. "I've asked myself the same thing over and over again. Why am I not a household name in Britain? Why have I not got the recognition I deserve after so long? I think the fact that none of my fights are seen on terrestrial television is significant but, other than that, I don't exactly know. I really don't."

Enzo Calzaghe, Joe's dad and trainer, jabbers darkly of a media conspiracy against the most naturally talented British fighter of his generation. The real reasons are more tangled and have become synonymous with the malaise that marginalises boxing around the world, with the hard-core Hispanic exceptions of countries like Mexico and Puerto Rico. Boxing's raw power has been diminished by corruption and confusion.

As a result Calzaghe's fight record and his long reign - as holder of a lightly regarded belt he won after defeating Chris Eubank in a fierce battle in October 1997 - have been undermined by boxing's sleazy politics and bewildering plethora of titles. It was not always this way.

"When I was 14," Calzaghe recalls, "I told my careers adviser that I was going to be a world champion boxer. Of course she laughed. I wasn't bad academically at school and so she said: 'Seriously, what skills are you going to use to build a career?' I told her I meant it, I replied by saying 'My left hook, my timing, my confidence to succeed in the ring'. Instead of revising I was already fighting for ABA titles. I was heading for the world championship.

"That was my dream. It's just turned out different than I expected. You think that after becoming world champion you're going to be a massive superstar with lots of lucrative bouts against great fighters, but that never materialised for me. Boxing has given me a very good lifestyle and I've beaten five former world champions but none have given me the defining fight I need. I still feel like, at the age of 33, I'm waiting for my big chance."

His disillusionment has intensified. While four out of his last five fights have been cancelled or postponed - against a backdrop of ludicrous machinations, injury and personal trauma - his closest British contemporary has been given the kind of challenge for which Calzaghe himself has yearned so long. Ricky Hatton is preparing for the fight of his life, against the formidable light-welterweight Kostya Tszyu in Manchester on June 4. It's a compelling contest that will give the younger British fighter an opportunity to break into the higher echelons of mainstream sport while testing himself against one of the few masters of modern boxing.

It is still impossible, however, to know how good Calzaghe may, or may not, be in the ring while he trains aimlessly for bouts against journeymen like Veit and Brian Magee, who was meant to be his latest opponent. Frank Warren, Calzaghe's promoter, withdrew him from that contest 36 hours before the bell was due to ring in Belfast last month after the WBO claimed to be unable to sanction it as a title defence without the consent of Peter Kohl, Veit's promoter. It was yet another example of boxing's unending and alienating chaos.

Two further title fights were cancelled last year when Calzaghe pulled out with back and hand injuries. The most damaging occurred in June when he pronounced himself unfit to meet Glen Johnson, the Jamaican who went on to become the world's dominant light- heavyweight, and the Boxer of the Year, by knocking out the great Roy Jones Jr and beating Antonio Tarver.

The fact that Calzaghe called for a postponement so close to the Johnson fight fuelled rumours that he was struggling amid the collapse of his marriage - Calzaghe was arrested at his former home after his wife Mandy called the police in the days following his withdrawal from the Johnson bout.

"I had a really good week then, didn't I?" he smiles thinly. "I topped it off by getting done for speeding a day or two later.

"It was horrible because I was ready for Johnson. My weight was good and I'd trained hard. Then in the last 30 seconds of my final 12 rounds of sparring I suffered a back spasm. The timing was terrible.

"But fate moves in mysterious ways. If I had beaten Johnson he would not have fought Jones or Tarver and people would have said I'd beaten an unknown journeyman rather than someone we now know is a very good fighter. So if I beat him later this year I'll get 10 times the respect."

Despite Johnson's insistence that he now has no interest in the fight, Calzaghe attempts to remain upbeat. "I've got a lot of faith in Frank [Warren]. He got Hatton his fight and he's chasing the same for me. I'd fancy my chances because Johnson's short and a come-forward fighter. I'd pick him off with fast combinations. So, yeah, that's the fight I really want."

Calzaghe laughs bleakly. "That's the irony. My ideal fight for a long time was Roy Jones. Eubank and Steve Collins were chasing Jones before me but they never got that fight so I knew that I may not get it either. But all I had in my head as my target was Roy Jones, and then he got beat by Tarver. I was then chasing Tarver and he got beat by Johnson. Now we're chasing Johnson again so that probably means Tarver will win their rematch and I'll be back to square one."

That dearth of meaningful fights, combined with his domestic turmoil, has led to accusations that Calzaghe has lost his way. He has fought only three times in the past two years and admits that his most recent performance - when he was knocked down before overcoming a limited spoiler called Kabary Salem six months ago - "was my worst in the ring. Mentally, I was all over the place. I've seen the tape and it's embarrassing."

With the bitter legal battle surrounding his divorce set to rumble on there is a danger that Calzaghe could be diverted further.

"It's been incredibly tough and I'm still going through the worst. Unfortunately for me her lawyers have dragged up the Ray Parlour case. According to that [legal precedent] your ex-wife not only gets half your money but half your future earnings as well.

"It just doesn't make sense. If I'm made to pay her 50% of all my future purses then what's the point of boxing? The tax man already takes the other 50%. I think it's disgraceful. She's keeping her 24-hour-a-day toyboy in the house and he's actually given up work. So I'm paying for him too. It's ridiculous."

Calzaghe's young girlfriend accompanies him to the gym in yet another sign of the irreversible breakdown of his marriage. "I've been with Joanna about a year and she's been really great and supportive. But I'm not a steady 50-grand-a-week Premiership footballer like Ray Parlour. I'm a boxer and every fight could be my last. You just have to remember Michael Watson to know what boxing can do to you. So for me to have to hand over 50% of my future earnings makes me wonder if I can carry on. I don't really want to think about if she gets her way."

This is hardly the sort of serene preparation a fighter needs before travelling abroad to defend his title, even if it's against a fighter he once crushed. Calzaghe acknowledges the risk. "I'm training for Veit as if I'm fighting a different man. Four years on he's much improved after 15 successive wins. He stopped Charles Brewer last time out and, after Eubank, Brewer gave me my toughest fight. Brewer's shopworn now but Veit still put in a good performance. You also know the home-town reputation of judges and referees in Germany. So I'm going to have to dominate him again."

The prospect of fighting Veit, even in Germany, is a desolate reminder of how much Calzaghe's career has stagnated despite his undoubted ability and the exhilarating way in which he won his title. For all his pompous flaws there were half-a-dozen nights in the ring when Chris Eubank proved the depths of his fighting heart - not least against Calzaghe. Eubank's earlier gripping battles against Watson and Nigel Benn - screened live on ITV before audiences in excess of 20 million - had captured British boxing at its zenith in the early 1990s.

"I watched those fights as a kid and they were magical. They were excellent fighters and as good as each other so that produced some tremendous fights. I loved Eubank because he was this incredible character, and you know Eubank, he didn't push himself in boxing like I'm trying to do so I think he fell short of his potential. But he could get away with doing 50% each round and still keep his belt. I have to give 100% each and every round to keep hold of my belt. I don't think he went looking for the likes of Roy Jones until he was near the end of his career, but with me I've always been looking for the biggest fights and that's what's so frustrating. Apart from Eubank, there was also Watson who was so classy and such a smooth boxer, he was dedicated to improving his boxing. The most exciting of the bunch was Benn, he was risky, ragged, even wreckless, but he could whack and was very effective in what he did. As for Eubank, he was an awkward, slippery fighter, and he was a great fighter with his back to the wall. That's why, when I fought him, he gave me some of the fear you need to inspire you. I wasn't afraid of Eubank, I was more frightened of losing."

Eubank might have been near the end of his own career but, against Calzaghe, he dredged up the same resolve that sustained him against Watson and Benn.

"It was a draining night," Calzaghe remembers. "Everything I'd dreamed of came down to me beating Eubank. People were saying that it was my fight to lose because he'd drained his weight and took the fight at short notice and all that, that did me no favours because it pressured me even more. I had no money and we had a kid and so I put incredible pressure on myself.

"I knocked him down in the first 15 seconds but Eubank fought back. At the end of the first round I was knackered. After three rounds he started smiling at me and I felt exhausted. At certain points of the fight I managed to hit the guy harder than I've hit anybody, and he just stood there and smiled. I had to dig deep because it was a war.

"I really thought that win was going to be the start of something special but, since then, I've been looking for that same kind of fear. That's when you feel most alive as a fighter. Eubank brought the best out of me because I had to stay concentrated and alert, you don't know what your getting with him and he can throw you off, that's why a lot fighters stayed clear of him."

He smiles sadly when I reflect again on his missed opportunities against fighters like Jones - who, at least in private, admitted his deep respect for Calzaghe. "That's the kind of acknowledgement I've always wanted," he says as he looks back into the empty ring. "I've always wanted to define myself in there because it's who I am. I'm a fighter. I don't want to end my career thinking that my toughest and sweetest fight was the night I beat Chris Eubank. That was eight years ago. I want to feel that same fear again. I want a real fight."

Right, I'm gonna search the internet for that interview that was posted on Skysports a few years back when Roy said that he was never gonna fight Calzaghe!

Coz' Calzaghe refer's to it from time to time!

Here's a great quote I found from a boxing journalist:

Sadly, rather than pull out the broom stick and attempt to clean out the rest of the super-middleweight division, Jones opted to defend his IBF strap five times against sub-par competition. Instead of facing the tall, dangerous southpaw Frankie Liles (scored a standing 8 count on Jones in the amateurs), the self-styled slickster Chris Eubanks (longest-reigning super-middleweight champion), the rugged warrior Steve Collins (first man to defeat Eubanks), the menacing malice Nigel Benn (WBC champion), the super-punching Gerald McClellan (who beat Jones in the amateurs), or the sometimes awesome Michael Nunn (Jones’ mandatory in the late 90s), he sparred against the mediocre Antoine Byrd, Vinny Pazienza (blown-up lightweight), Tony Thornton (ah, the 'punching postman'), Merqui Sosa (who?), Eric Lucas (who?), and Bryant Brannon (who?). Take a close look and you’ll see that the former bunch make the latter look like a Mercedes stacked up next to a Ford Pinto.

edited: nobodies saying that all of those guys would of beaten a peak Jones Jr, but why he didn't fight them??

Well It's no secret that Roy Jones has spent a lot of his career avoiding the best in each division.

This is why you cannot be taken seriously. Hypocrite. Eubank just faltly admitted that it was too risky for him to fight Roy when Roy challenged him, but all of a sudden when Eubank wants to challenge, Roy is "ducking". Yeah right.

Benn should have beat Sugar Boy if he wanted Roy, but he didn't. Moot point.

This is why you cannot be taken seriously. Hypocrite. Eubank just faltly admitted that it was too risky for him to fight Roy when Roy challenged him, but all of a sudden when Eubank wants to challenge, Roy is "ducking". Yeah right.

Benn should have beat Sugar Boy if he wanted Roy, but he didn't. Moot point.

Well, the whole reason he didn't give Eubank a shot was because Eubank didn't give him a shot years before. Why should Roy give a shot to a guy who's on his way out, when the guy wouldn't give him a shot when he was at the top of his game? He just wanted a big-name, big-money fight..

This is why you cannot be taken seriously. Hypocrite. Eubank just faltly admitted that it was too risky for him to fight Roy when Roy challenged him, but all of a sudden when Eubank wants to challenge, Roy is "ducking". Yeah right.

Benn should have beat Sugar Boy if he wanted Roy, but he didn't. Moot point.
Well if they're in the same boat surely Eubank should go down as a hall of fame fighter too?...

DAMN I forgot!... Eubank isn't American is he!...

Well, the whole reason he didn't give Eubank a shot was because Eubank didn't give him a shot years before. Why should Roy give a shot to a guy who's on his way out, when the guy wouldn't give him a shot when he was at the top of his game? He just wanted a big-name, big-money fight..

You should change you nickname to Roy Jones excuse maker rather than Interim Champion. That is all we ever here from you. well Roy this and Roy that. Well Roy this for this and this reason would not fight________ for so and so reasons.

I'm gonna play both sides of this lousy cassette:

Roy ducked Eubank, and Eubank ducked Roy

Roy, understandably so, never wanted to travel overseas to fight in another country after the Olympic robbery, so fights with Collins/Eubank/Darius/Benn/Maske were all out of the question (did everyone forget about my boy Henry Maske? Yeah Roy coulda fought him too)....can't blame Roy for feeling this way....

on the flip side, all of the above mentioned Euro fighters were unwilling to come to Pensacola to fight in Roy's backyard (once again, understandably so)....

so it was a lose-lose situation all around, no debate is really necessary on this topic, everybody avoided everybody

Well if they're in the same boat surely Eubank should go down as a hall of fame fighter too?...

DAMN I forgot!... Eubank isn't American is he!...
I think Benn will be inducted into the HOF for his all-out exciting style and the fact that he actually travelled over to America and won World titles over there, and also the fact that he has the big name wins on his record (Iran Barkley in 1st-round TKO, McClellan fight). Benn will be in the HOF, no doubts for me, if Barry McGuigan can get in then Benn certainly gets in too.

The thing about Eubank is that he had all the potential in the world but didn't use it, didn't travel to America and won't be remembered by America's, whereas Benn will be remembered by American's because he made the most of what he had. So Eubank obviously has no chance of being inducted into the HOF unless he comes back from the dead and beats Calzaghe, Johnson and Hopkins :)

Only Roy Jones Jnr fans can attempt to justify how any boxer turns down world title shots to fight bums.

And as for whoever mentioned Calzaghe's record when boosting up Jeff Lacy, who has Lacy ever beat? Calzaghe has been the undisputed top dog in the super middleweight division for years and Lacy admits it.

You should change you nickname to Roy Jones excuse maker rather than Interim Champion. That is all we ever here from you. well Roy this and Roy that. Well Roy this for this and this reason would not fight________ for so and so reasons.

What I'm saying is: Stop getting on Roy for ducking Eubank, because Eubank ducked him, too.

If I was just making excuses, I would say something about Benn and Collins, too.

I'm gonna play both sides of this lousy cassette:

Roy ducked Eubank, and Eubank ducked Roy

Roy, understandably so, never wanted to travel overseas to fight in another country after the Olympic robbery, so fights with Collins/Eubank/Darius/Benn/Maske were all out of the question (did everyone forget about my boy Henry Maske? Yeah Roy coulda fought him too)....can't blame Roy for feeling this way....

on the flip side, all of the above mentioned Euro fighters were unwilling to come to Pensacola to fight in Roy's backyard (once again, understandably so)....

so it was a lose-lose situation all around, no debate is really necessary on this topic, everybody avoided everybody

World Champions travel the world. Ali did, Lewis did, Benn did, Tyson did, Tsyzu does, etc. RJJ doesn't want to travel because of judges? Bull****. Here's an idea, maybe he should try and win a fight by knock out? And funny how now he can't draw files with 2 handfulls of **** in the states that he wants to fight Clinton Woods in England (a guy he beat before mind you). Calzaghe put a $6 million offer to RJJ and a $4million one to Bernard Hopkins. If you think you are the top dog then you are a fool to turn that kind of money down. Or maybe just chicken.

World Champions travel the world. Ali did, Lewis did, Benn did, Tyson did, Tsyzu does, etc. RJJ doesn't want to travel because of judges? Bull****. Here's an idea, maybe he should try and win a fight by knock out? And funny how now he can't draw files with 2 handfulls of **** in the states that he wants to fight Clinton Woods in England (a guy he beat before mind you). Calzaghe put a $6 million offer to RJJ and a $4million one to Bernard Hopkins. If you think you are the top dog then you are a fool to turn that kind of money down. Or maybe just chicken.

That's just hearsay. Roy has not come out and said anything about taking a Clinton Woods fight.

Roy was old, and Joe wanted Roy to drop weight to fight him. He didn't duck him. He just stayed at the weight he was at.

Before you bring him dropping weight to fight Tarver: Jones only went to heavy for one fight to take the title. He was never there to be a heavyweight fighter.

World Champions travel the world. Ali did, Lewis did, Benn did, Tyson did, Tsyzu does, etc. RJJ doesn't want to travel because of judges? Bull****. Here's an idea, maybe he should try and win a fight by knock out? And funny how now he can't draw files with 2 handfulls of **** in the states that he wants to fight Clinton Woods in England (a guy he beat before mind you). Calzaghe put a $6 million offer to RJJ and a $4million one to Bernard Hopkins. If you think you are the top dog then you are a fool to turn that kind of money down. Or maybe just chicken.
Roy & Nard didn't turn Calzone down, they turned down his ridiculously corrupt promoter Frank The Skank Warren, if Calzone was a free agent Roy would have fought him years ago....plus those challenges or "offers" were in British tabloids, not on actual fight contracts, boxing shouldn't get confused with Spice Girl and Royal Family nonsense

Roy & Nard didn't turn Calzone down, they turned down his ridiculously corrupt promoter Frank The Skank Warren, if Calzone was a free agent Roy would have fought him years ago....plus those challenges or "offers" were in British tabloids, not on actual fight contracts, boxing shouldn't get confused with Spice Girl and Royal Family nonsense

Calzaghe, not Calzone, man..

Either way, Calzaghe should have met Roy's standards, not the other way around. Roy was the more established fighter, and was in the higher weight class. Why should he have to move down to take ONE belt from a guy, when he had all of them a weight class above him?

I'm gonna play both sides of this lousy cassette:

Roy ducked Eubank, and Eubank ducked Roy

Roy, understandably so, never wanted to travel overseas to fight in another country after the Olympic robbery, so fights with Collins/Eubank/Darius/Benn/Maske were all out of the question (did everyone forget about my boy Henry Maske? Yeah Roy coulda fought him too)....can't blame Roy for feeling this way....

on the flip side, all of the above mentioned Euro fighters were unwilling to come to Pensacola to fight in Roy's backyard (once again, understandably so)....

so it was a lose-lose situation all around, no debate is really necessary on this topic, everybody avoided everybody
That is absolute Bull****. Benn, Eubank and Collins clearly said time and time again that they wanted to fight Roy Jones Jr in Pensacola.

In 1995 and 1996, all three of them stated many times that they were willing to fight Jones Jr in his backyard and were chasing him. Jones Jr BLATANTLY avoided them, you cannot deny that. Steve Collins even travelled to Pensacola and called Jones Jr a coward in front of the whole of America. Eubank rang up HBO and told them that he'd publicly bet a million dollars on scoring a KO1 on Jones Jr in his backyard. Benn clearly said on Sky Sports after his Nardiello fight that he'd "love" to travel to Jones Jr's backyard to fight him and that Jones Jr would "put the fear of Christ in me in his backyard, which would be bad news for him!".

That's just hearsay. Roy has not come out and said anything about taking a Clinton Woods fight.

Roy was old, and Joe wanted Roy to drop weight to fight him. He didn't duck him. He just stayed at the weight he was at.

Before you bring him dropping weight to fight Tarver: Jones only went to heavy for one fight to take the title. He was never there to be a heavyweight fighter.
You're very wrong there... Calzaghe's offer was to fight in Las Vegas at 175lbs. Calzaghe is moving to 175lbs anyway, coz' he's struggling to make 168lbs

"I didn't dodge anybody. I fought all of my mandatory contenders and how many others can say that? I'm superior (to Roy Jones) in some senses, because Roy Jones has never fought overseas in his entire career, whereas I fought overseas 14 times. I defended my World title all over the world and how many others can say that?" - Chris Eubank

That's just hearsay. Roy has not come out and said anything about taking a Clinton Woods fight.

Roy was old, and Joe wanted Roy to drop weight to fight him. He didn't duck him. He just stayed at the weight he was at.

Before you bring him dropping weight to fight Tarver: Jones only went to heavy for one fight to take the title. He was never there to be a heavyweight fighter.
And secondly, this $6,000,000 offer to Roy was made back in 2000' long before Roy Jones ever went up to heavyweight.

Weight is no excuse in why Roy ducted Joe, because it was Joe that was going to go up in weight to meet Roy Jones.

That is absolute Bull****. Benn, Eubank and Collins clearly said time and time again that they wanted to fight Roy Jones Jr in Pensacola.

In 1995 and 1996, all three of them stated many times that they were willing to fight Jones Jr in his backyard and were chasing him. Jones Jr BLATANTLY avoided them, you cannot deny that. Steve Collins even travelled to Pensacola and called Jones Jr a coward in front of the whole of America. Eubank rang up HBO and told them that he'd publicly bet a million dollars on scoring a KO1 on Jones Jr in his backyard. Benn clearly said on Sky Sports after his Nardiello fight that he'd "love" to travel to Jones Jr's backyard to fight him and that Jones Jr would "put the fear of Christ in me in his backyard, which would be bad news for him!".
that's all jsut "talk" if those guys really wanted to fight Roy, the gameplan would have been simple:

1. Dump your current belt
2. pay a sanctioning body to rank you
3. fight in an eliminator for the title
4. win the eliminator
5. become #1 contender

that's ALL they would have had to do to fight Roy, but did they do this??? NO!!! All they did was shot-call from 5000 miles away, heck I CAN DO THAT!!! Trash-talk isn't a challenge, signing a contract to fight the best athlete on the planet is a huge challenge, and none of the ********* 90's fighters were willing to do what it took to get the shot at Superman

Calzaghe, not Calzone, man..

Either way, Calzaghe should have met Roy's standards, not the other way around. Roy was the more established fighter, and was in the higher weight class. Why should he have to move down to take ONE belt from a guy, when he had all of them a weight class above him?
I know it's Calzaghe, Joey Calzone is his nickname, wake up homey I'm being sarcastic....

and you're right, Roy was the main-man, so those other EuroChumps should have earned a #1 ranking if the REALLY wanted to fight Roy

:confused: It's funny I've started to notice with this thread... It's the same old story everytime we discuss Roy Jones Junior and his "greatness".

Everyone outside America rallies up and say's, "Why is RJJ so great?" and it's very handy because there are SOOOOO MANY fight ducks, moving up to avoid, moving down to avoid, through Roy's career that it starts to become ammunition... LOL!...

And then on the other side there's the Yanks that will defend RJJ blindly... And then the conversation becomes - excuses, excuses, after more excuses... And so on...

I think what it comes down to is that people outside America don't have an awfull lot of respect for Roy because he was scared to fight outside the comfort zone of the U.S. and in doing that, ducked a lot of fighters.

Whereas the Americans like the idea of having a "GREAT" fighter of their own, (even if it is a little bit of blind love).

I reckon that's about the size of it.

:confused: It's funny I've started to notice with this thread... It's the same old story everytime we discuss Roy Jones Junior and his "greatness".

Everyone outside America rallies up and say's, "Why is RJJ so great?" and it's very handy because there are SOOOOO MANY fight ducks, moving up to avoid, moving down to avoid, through Roy's career that it starts to become ammunition... LOL!...

And then on the other side there's the Yanks that will defend RJJ blindly... And then the conversation becomes - excuses, excuses, after more excuses... And so on...

I think what it comes down to is that people outside America don't have an awfull lot of respect for Roy because he was scared to fight outside the comfort zone of the U.S. and in doing that, ducked a lot of fighters.

Whereas the Americans like the idea of having a "GREAT" fighter of their own, (even if it is a little bit of blind love).

I reckon that's about the size of it.


It can be hard for us Yanks to really know all that much about British fighters because they are rarely broadcast in the US....the casual fan wouldn't know who Benn, Collins, or Eubank was...I think Jones was pumped up a great deal since a number of his fights seemed to be against lackluster fighters (this is the same arguement a lot of people make about B-Hop)...I never thought Jones was unbeatable though....just seemed like he never faced anyone who really had the tools...I would think that Toney and B-Hop were probably two of the best fighters he faced but his skills were way above these two men, at least at that point in time....I think he would have had a good chance at beating the best British middles that were around when he was at that weight, although I think Eubank could have given him fits...lthey could have had a pose off between rounds :D ...but I get your point and agree....the era of jones wasn't like the old times (or even the lighter weights now) when the best faced the best regularly so it is hard to say how he would have held up against some of the more regarded international fighters...everybody likes to think their boy is unbeatable

It can be hard for us Yanks to really know all that much about British fighters because they are rarely broadcast in the US....the casual fan wouldn't know who Benn, Collins, or Eubank was...I think Jones was pumped up a great deal since a number of his fights seemed to be against lackluster fighters (this is the same arguement a lot of people make about B-Hop)...I never thought Jones was unbeatable though....just seemed like he never faced anyone who really had the tools...I would think that Toney and B-Hop were probably two of the best fighters he faced but his skills were way above these two men, at least at that point in time....I think he would have had a good chance at beating the best British middles that were around when he was at that weight, although I think Eubank could have given him fits...lthey could have had a pose off between rounds :D ...but I get your point and agree....the era of jones wasn't like the old times (or even the lighter weights now) when the best faced the best regularly so it is hard to say how he would have held up against some of the more regarded international fighters...everybody likes to think their boy is unbeatable
I do like what you say there - (About the lighter weights at the moment). Lot's of people say that, "boxing is not like it used to be", and "I wonder if the good old days of TRUE WARRIORS will ever come back?".

2005' so far has been one of the best boxing years I've ever witnessed, (AND WE'RE ONLY IN JUNE!)... Pacquiao vs Morales - Corrales vs Castillo to name two, but there have been a whole LOAD of other fights that have been fantastic aswell on domestic level.

I do agree with what you say above...

This year has started to change the way I'm looking at boxing... There are some real warriors out there and they have all the passion and courage of some of the greats from the past. (These are in the lower weights).

So I've started to think, "If Bernard Hopkins wants to turn up and run for 12 rounds, because he's so worried about tarnishing his precious 20 IBF defences, then let him. There are real fighters out there at the lower weights that really come to fight! They also take great pride in putting on spectacular show, and they are the definition of prize fighters!"

That was the last time I buy a Bernard Hopkins fight (Eastman). I felt cheated out of my £15.00 Coz' he didn't come to fight AT ALL... There's a difference between elusive fighting and just plain running! - I paid for a fight and got a pantomine.

Doesn't matter though... Coz' those Mexicans etc in the lower weight classes keep boxing ticking over quite nicely! ;)

i don't understand why peolpe try to discredit roy jones jr. professional trainers and fighters herald him as the greatest talent to even lace up gloves. sugar ray robinson may have been the best pound for pound but roy moved in that ring like he was touched by god. ever notice everytime a fighter walks into the ring (mosley, mayweather, hopkins, toney, etc.) they all go to the corner to pat hands with rjj when he's commentating. it's giveing respect and acknowledgment to a person who gave many people a sight to see.

to all those people who discredit roy with stats and interviews and whatnot...have you laced boxing gloves? better yet fight competively full contact? i have. and so do many of my peers. i've been in the fight game since i was 4 (i'm 27 now). and just watching roy you can see how well he times people comming in, how we shifts of to the side <ever so slightly> to hit and not get hit, the way he draws an opponent in and then launches with a left hook...it's really quite beautiful if you know the nuances of the ring...of course if you're a couch potato then you'll fail to notice such things. my point is...the pros know he's great...why wouldn't joe schmoe couch potato think he's great? cuz he memorizes stats?...lol

I do like what you say there - (About the lighter weights at the moment). Lot's of people say that, "boxing is not like it used to be", and "I wonder if the good old days of TRUE WARRIORS will ever come back?".

2005' so far has been one of the best boxing years I've ever witnessed, (AND WE'RE ONLY IN JUNE!)... Pacquiao vs Morales - Corrales vs Castillo to name two, but there have been a whole LOAD of other fights that have been fantastic aswell on domestic level.

I do agree with what you say above...

This year has started to change the way I'm looking at boxing... There are some real warriors out there and they have all the passion and courage of some of the greats from the past. (These are in the lower weights).

So I've started to think, "If Bernard Hopkins wants to turn up and run for 12 rounds, because he's so worried about tarnishing his precious 20 IBF defences, then let him. There are real fighters out there at the lower weights that really come to fight! They also take great pride in putting on spectacular show, and they are the definition of prize fighters!"

That was the last time I buy a Bernard Hopkins fight (Eastman). I felt cheated out of my £15.00 Coz' he didn't come to fight AT ALL... There's a difference between elusive fighting and just plain running! - I paid for a fight and got a pantomine.

Doesn't matter though... Coz' those Mexicans etc in the lower weight classes keep boxing ticking over quite nicely! ;)


I'm a big fan of the lower weight classes. As far as Hopkins goes, hewins but his fights are mind-numbing......I am a fan but I don't think he is unbeatable or his fights are exciting and I would not pay for a Hopkins fight (maybe his fight against Taylor)...usually watch them at a bar...he is a smart fighter but he is a safe fighter...again, the same arguement has been made against Jones....but I can see why people wouldn't want to pay for a Hopkins fight :D ....the Eastman fight was mind-numbing and a waste of time....some blame has to be put on Eastman though...he let Hopkins fight the fight he fought...but the middleweight class isn't the greatest right now...its all about the little men :headbang:

i don't understand why peolpe try to discredit roy jones jr. professional trainers and fighters herald him as the greatest talent to even lace up gloves. sugar ray robinson may have been the best pound for pound but roy moved in that ring like he was touched by god. ever notice everytime a fighter walks into the ring (mosley, mayweather, hopkins, toney, etc.) they all go to the corner to pat hands with rjj when he's commentating. it's giveing respect and acknowledgment to a person who gave many people a sight to see.

to all those people who discredit roy with stats and interviews and whatnot...have you laced boxing gloves? better yet fight competively full contact? i have. and so do many of my peers. i've been in the fight game since i was 4 (i'm 27 now). and just watching roy you can see how well he times people comming in, how we shifts of to the side <ever so slightly> to hit and not get hit, the way he draws an opponent in and then launches with a left hook...it's really quite beautiful if you know the nuances of the ring...of course if you're a couch potato then you'll fail to notice such things. my point is...the pros know he's great...why wouldn't joe schmoe couch potato think he's great? cuz he memorizes stats?...lol



Let me clarify...I not discrediting Roy's ability at all...he had great natural ability but he didn't test himself as much as he could've...I am a Jones fan but his competition level wasn;t the greatest at times....same with Hopkins...money was probably a big part of this but your reputation is cemented by fighting the best....just having great ability isn;t everything...Roy was a great fighter but I would have liked to see him test himself more...Oh, and the fight against Ruiz doesn;t count...there couldn't have been a heavyweight more custom made for JOnes.

Just my opinion.

i don't understand why peolpe try to discredit roy jones jr. professional trainers and fighters herald him as the greatest talent to even lace up gloves. sugar ray robinson may have been the best pound for pound but roy moved in that ring like he was touched by god. ever notice everytime a fighter walks into the ring (mosley, mayweather, hopkins, toney, etc.) they all go to the corner to pat hands with rjj when he's commentating. it's giveing respect and acknowledgment to a person who gave many people a sight to see.

to all those people who discredit roy with stats and interviews and whatnot...have you laced boxing gloves? better yet fight competively full contact? i have. and so do many of my peers. i've been in the fight game since i was 4 (i'm 27 now). and just watching roy you can see how well he times people comming in, how we shifts of to the side <ever so slightly> to hit and not get hit, the way he draws an opponent in and then launches with a left hook...it's really quite beautiful if you know the nuances of the ring...of course if you're a couch potato then you'll fail to notice such things. my point is...the pros know he's great...why wouldn't joe schmoe couch potato think he's great? cuz he memorizes stats?...lol
Fella... There are a lot of amatuers and some pro's that post on this website. I was a pretty handy amatuer myself, a fews years back now... It's not all arm chair boxing fans.

No one on this thread has said that they think Roy Jones was crap. No one is saying that Roy Jones wasn't a great fighter, this thread is not about that.

What we're discussing is elite fighters, and who they did and didn't fight throughout their career, But more importantly, who the should and shouldn't have fought.

Roy Jones was an exceptional talent, there's no doubt about that. But when you have a fighter as good as he is, it's very easy to look awesome, powerfull complete when they're fighting the likes of Glenn Kelly etc... But it's a different story trying to look that way when they're faced up against another fighter of "elite" class.

And it's in these fights with other elite fighters that their name is made in history.

That's kinda what this thread is about. And why Roy chose not to take those fights.

i don't understand why peolpe try to discredit roy jones jr. professional trainers and fighters herald him as the greatest talent to even lace up gloves. sugar ray robinson may have been the best pound for pound but roy moved in that ring like he was touched by god. ever notice everytime a fighter walks into the ring (mosley, mayweather, hopkins, toney, etc.) they all go to the corner to pat hands with rjj when he's commentating. it's giveing respect and acknowledgment to a person who gave many people a sight to see.

to all those people who discredit roy with stats and interviews and whatnot...have you laced boxing gloves? better yet fight competively full contact? i have. and so do many of my peers. i've been in the fight game since i was 4 (i'm 27 now). and just watching roy you can see how well he times people comming in, how we shifts of to the side <ever so slightly> to hit and not get hit, the way he draws an opponent in and then launches with a left hook...it's really quite beautiful if you know the nuances of the ring...of course if you're a couch potato then you'll fail to notice such things. my point is...the pros know he's great...why wouldn't joe schmoe couch potato think he's great? cuz he memorizes stats?...lol
Roy Jones Jr had fantastic ability, there's no doubt about that. You'd have be blind to say otherwise.

But the fact is that he was more beatable than past greats and avoided more fighters than past greats.

I can put my hand on my heart and say that I would of bet money on Chris Eubank beating Roy Jones Jr, I honestly believe that he would of beaten him, and this is coming from somebody who has won ABA amateur titles and sparred with WBC champions - far from a couch potato.

I'm a big fan of the lower weight classes. As far as Hopkins goes, hewins but his fights are mind-numbing......I am a fan but I don't think he is unbeatable or his fights are exciting and I would not pay for a Hopkins fight (maybe his fight against Taylor)...usually watch them at a bar...he is a smart fighter but he is a safe fighter...again, the same arguement has been made against Jones....but I can see why people wouldn't want to pay for a Hopkins fight :D ....the Eastman fight was mind-numbing and a waste of time....some blame has to be put on Eastman though...he let Hopkins fight the fight he fought...but the middleweight class isn't the greatest right now...its all about the little men :headbang:
All about the little men! ;)

Eastman was trying to make a fight of it on the night, but by the time the actual fight itself was made, Eastman had already started to look old, (He'd had a few below average peformances leading up to it). :rolleyes: Perhaps that's why Hopkins waited until then?

The fight should have been 2-3yrs earlier and it would have been more of a tear-up.

Christ, how pathetic is the "have you boxed?" argument. It's so lame and it gets trotted out so often it's mind-numbing.

Here's one for cvt: it's called "have you ever learnt to read?" Because this thread had jack **** to do with how good in the ring Roy was.

Christ, how pathetic is the "have you boxed?" argument. It's so lame and it gets trotted out so often it's mind-numbing.

Here's one for cvt: it's called "have you ever learnt to read?" Because this thread had jack **** to do with how good in the ring Roy was.

i wasn't refuting the 'questionable' opposition arguement and i clearly know what the thread is about. my post was in response to those people who posted on this thread of jones' abilities. let's get that straight.

and the 'have you boxed?' argument is not pathetic.it's quite valid that you can't talk about the ins and outs of swimmming without ever jumping in the pool...so yes i believe ring credentials is valid. unless you're the very potato i'm talking about.

i wasn't refuting the 'questionable' opposition arguement and i clearly know what the thread is about. my post was in response to those people who posted on this thread of jones' abilities. let's get that straight.

and the 'have you boxed?' argument is not pathetic.it's quite valid that you can't talk about the ins and outs of swimmming without ever jumping in the pool...so yes i believe ring credentials is valid. unless you're the very potato i'm talking about.I AM a potato. I watch, study the science. Does it invalidate my ability to discuss it unless I've taken shots to the head? If it does, then that's okay... I'd rather be declared "invalid" than have someone smack me in the head. Boxing's for watching, not for doing...

Fella... There are a lot of amatuers and some pro's that post on this website. I was a pretty handy amatuer myself, a fews years back now... It's not all arm chair boxing fans.

No one on this thread has said that they think Roy Jones was crap. No one is saying that Roy Jones wasn't a great fighter, this thread is not about that.

What we're discussing is elite fighters, and who they did and didn't fight throughout their career, But more importantly, who the should and shouldn't have fought.

Roy Jones was an exceptional talent, there's no doubt about that. But when you have a fighter as good as he is, it's very easy to look awesome, powerfull complete when they're fighting the likes of Glenn Kelly etc... But it's a different story trying to look that way when they're faced up against another fighter of "elite" class.

And it's in these fights with other elite fighters that their name is made in history.

That's kinda what this thread is about. And why Roy chose not to take those fights.

Roy dominated higher calibre fghters then scrubs like Glen Kelley and Ricky Frazier.

Reggie Johnson, Richard Hall, Eric Harding, Bernard Hopkins, James Toney, John Ruiz, Lou Del Valle, Montel Griffen (Rematch, Virgil Hill, Merqui Sosa and Julio Gonzalez were very good fighters and far better then scrubs like Kelley and Frazier. Roy still dominated all of them. Roy didn't dominate Tarver, just beating Tarver in the condition that Roy was in makes the victory impressive.

All about the little men! ;)

Eastman was trying to make a fight of it on the night, but by the time the actual fight itself was made, Eastman had already started to look old, (He'd had a few below average peformances leading up to it). :rolleyes: Perhaps that's why Hopkins waited until then?

The fight should have been 2-3yrs earlier and it would have been more of a tear-up.
What did Eastman do to deserve a fight with Hopkins 2-3 years before there actual fight. Get schooled by Bernards sparring partner (Tito), sparring partner in William Joppy. You can call it running but you can also call it a schooling.

What did Eastman do to deserve a fight with Hopkins 2-3 years before there actual fight.That's "their", not "there".

Get schooled by Bernards sparring partner (Tito), sparring partner in William Joppy. You can call it running but you can also call it a schooling.No, I can call it running. What school have you ever been to where the teacher's writing on the blackboard then suddenly starts legging it around the classroom?

Not sure I understand the Tito quote... are you saying that Tito was the sparring partner of Joppy and Hopkins? Eastman has never fought Tito.

As for Howard and Joppy, Howard was lazy in the first half but KDed Joppy and clearly showed he could master him. The final scores were 115-112/114-112 Joppy and a draw. Hardly a "schooling" there.

Roy dominated higher calibre fghters then scrubs like Glen Kelley and Ricky Frazier.

Reggie Johnson, Richard Hall, Eric Harding, Bernard Hopkins, James Toney, John Ruiz, Lou Del Valle, Montel Griffen (Rematch, Virgil Hill, Merqui Sosa and Julio Gonzalez were very good fighters and far better then scrubs like Kelley and Frazier. Roy still dominated all of them. Roy didn't dominate Tarver, just beating Tarver in the condition that Roy was in makes the victory impressive.
What was I saying earlier about excuses excuses excuses always being made for RJJ?

Merqui Sosa? Did you see that fight?... Talk about a gift stoppage!... That was 10 times as bad as Cotto vs Corley!

Most of those fighters you've named aren't top grade fighters.

What did Eastman do to deserve a fight with Hopkins 2-3 years before there actual fight. Get schooled by Bernards sparring partner (Tito), sparring partner in William Joppy. You can call it running but you can also call it a schooling.
It sounds like you didn't see the fights? 2-3 years before Eastman was still the WBC mandatory! So yes he DID deserve a shot at the WBC belt.

If you saw the Eastman vs Joppy fight, you wouldn't suggest that Eastman was schooled... I though Eastman fell victim to a home town decsion.

There was no way Eastman lost to Joppy. Speaking of Eastman, didn't many U.S boxing journalists say Eastman would find it very hard to find fights in the States now because of his ability?

Funny how RJJ managed to swerve 4 British fighters and yet it's everyone's fault but his. 1 fight not coming off then I'd understand. 2 fights is a push but 4? Sorry no.

As for whoever mentioned British tabloids making up offers, Joe Calzaghe and Frank Warren both went public on TV saying they offered Hopkins and Jones huge offers. Hopkins was offered the biggest pay day of his life for a fight in Cardiff in front of 75,000 plus. How do you really refuse offers like this?

And whilst British fighters might not be "names" in the states, nobody outside the hardcore boxing audience in Britain has a clue who the hell Roy Jones Jnr and Bernard Hopkins are.

I AM a potato. I watch, study the science. Does it invalidate my ability to discuss it unless I've taken shots to the head? If it does, then that's okay... I'd rather be declared "invalid" than have someone smack me in the head. Boxing's for watching, not for doing...

i don't beleive it invalidates anything. people can watch from the side lines and pick up stuff. just like swimming. but my point is that to get a greater understanding you gotta take a dip in the pool. would you ever get taught by a swimming instructor who hasn't swam in his life? he'll probably teach you every technique from all the books he's read but when you finally jump in and you're sucking in water then you get a better understanding of how vaulable experience is.

As for whoever mentioned British tabloids making up offers, Joe Calzaghe and Frank Warren both went public on TV saying they offered Hopkins and Jones huge offers. Hopkins was offered the biggest pay day of his life for a fight in Cardiff in front of 75,000 plus. How do you really refuse offers like this?

And whilst British fighters might not be "names" in the states, nobody outside the hardcore boxing audience in Britain has a clue who the hell Roy Jones Jnr and Bernard Hopkins are.
That's a good point.

Ask 1000 people on the streets of Britain if they've heard of Chris Eubank and 999 out of them will know exactly who your talking about. Ask any 1000 people on the streets of Britain if they've heard of Roy Jones and 999 of them won't have a clue who your talking about.

Well if they're in the same boat surely Eubank should go down as a hall of fame fighter too?...

DAMN I forgot!... Eubank isn't American is he!...

Martin, same old sheit huh? Relax with the nationalistic BS. No one is attacking Eubank. You act as if you miss the point completely. Eubank should go to the HOF. My only point is that it's arrogant and ignorant and stupid to dis Roy for doing exactly what Eubank did to Roy. Roy just responded in kind years later when Eubank was getting older, as Chris wanted one last shot at faded glory and Roy remembered how Eubank had not given him a shot as Roy was trying to make a name for himself.

I hear what you guys are saying, "Roy Jones Junior would have destroyed this guy, and would have destroyed that guy!" But the problem is, that's just opinion.

This is why Roy Jones Junior's career is kinda frustrating, because we'll never know how good he could have been or whether he would have beaten the guy's above because he refused to fight the best in each division. :dunno:

Full of prunes on this topic, martin. Roy fought Hopkins and Toney and Hill and Griffin. You saying these guys weren't the best at the time????? He didn't fight your brit guys because there was no MONEY in it for him. Why would he be afraid of your guys and NOT be afraid of the likes of Toney, who by the way, would have whupped Benn's ass, and Eubank's ass, and had problems with Calzhage, because that guy can fight, but beat him, too. Hopkins would have beaten those guys, too. But they wanna sit over there on their rainy, gloomy little island and not come over here and fight the best for big money, let them do it. If they made themselves familar to the American boxing public then that public would have clammored to see them fight against our best guys. But they didn't. So they punk off in magazine interviews about how tough they were and how afraid a great fighter like Jones is of them.

I was never a Roy Jones fan, man, did I cheer when Lou Delvalle dropped him in their fight. But Jones, as unlikeable as he may be, and he's pretty damn unlikeable, could this guy ever fight. Toney thought he was special until the reflexes and power of Jones humbled him in their bout. Every guy thinks he can fight with Jones, but his unorthodox speed is like nothing they have ever experienced. Jones never needed to jab. He was so quick he used his left hook as a jab! He had exploitable weaknesses, even in his buck prime, but none the fighters of this generation had the schooling to exploit. When he started to slip, he needed the jab, to keep folks off, and this is why he was stopped in his last couple of fights because without the jab, and without his once cat quick reflexes, eventually he was going to get caught and clocked.

Jimmy

Full of prunes on this topic, martin. Roy fought Hopkins and Toney and Hill and Griffin. You saying these guys weren't the best at the time????? He didn't fight your brit guys because there was no MONEY in it for him. Why would he be afraid of your guys and NOT be afraid of the likes of Toney, who by the way, would have whupped Benn's ass, and Eubank's ass, and had problems with Calzhage, because that guy can fight, but beat him, too. Hopkins would have beaten those guys, too. But they wanna sit over there on their rainy, gloomy little island and not come over here and fight the best for big money, let them do it. If they made themselves familar to the American boxing public then that public would have clammored to see them fight against our best guys. But they didn't. So they punk off in magazine interviews about how tough they were and how afraid a great fighter like Jones is of them.

Jones Jr could of made far more money fighting Benn or Eubank than he did in any of his other fights. Do you realise how big Benn and Eubank were/are? They were on the TV and in the newspapers kind of like every single day! They were/are celebrities in Britain.

Are you saying that Benn and Eubank never made any money from boxing? Let's see. Benn made well over £10million from boxing alone, which is about $20million, he retired in 1996. Eubank made almost £20million from boxing alone, which is $30-40million, he retired in 1998. Add to that their celebrity appearances and we're looking at more millions.

McClellan was Ring Magazine's number one Middleweight in 1993 and 1994, Roy Jones was number two. So Hopkins wasn't the best when Jones Jr fought him. Michalczewski had just beat Hill just before Jones Jr beat Hill. So Hill wasn't the best when Jones Jr fought him. As for Griffin, no comment.

Why is Jones regarded as unlikeable, anyway? I think he's a cool guy. (reference to post two above)

Martin, same old sheit huh? Relax with the nationalistic BS. No one is attacking Eubank. You act as if you miss the point completely. Eubank should go to the HOF. My only point is that it's arrogant and ignorant and stupid to dis Roy for doing exactly what Eubank did to Roy. Roy just responded in kind years later when Eubank was getting older, as Chris wanted one last shot at faded glory and Roy remembered how Eubank had not given him a shot as Roy was trying to make a name for himself.
Well light_welterweight, it's not just avoiding Eubank that we need to make excuses for... The list goes on and on and on... And all of a SUDDEN! - There's a pattern developing... LOL!...

Why is Jones regarded as unlikeable, anyway? I think he's a cool guy. (reference to post two above)
Agreed, he's a cool guy, seems a nice chap. If he'd of fought the best in his divisions though I'd respect him a lot more :)

Can't disagree with that. He would of had McCallum's ticket the night he fought Eubank in the re-match.


LMAO.

When McCallum beat Watson in '90....Mike was already past his prime,
& D-A-M-N, he absolutely slaughtered Watson.
I dare you to find another fight in which one fighter so thoroughly took apart another. I dare you.
Watson had every inch of his body PASTED by McCallum, while his own offense was turned into pathetic swats of desperation.
Then.....McCallum sent watson crashing to the floor....broken completely apart.

Doesn't matter when they COULD have fought....the FACT is that Ol' Mike McCallum took YEARS off the young Watson's boxing career when they DID fight.

If anyone wants to see a clinic, get your hands on McCallum-Watson.

BTW.....Watson was the favorite going in, & the fight was fought in England. Watson had every advantage, except for BOXING ABILITY.

Jones Jr could of made far more money fighting Benn or Eubank than he did in any of his other fights. Do you realise how big Benn and Eubank were/are? They were on the TV and in the newspapers kind of like every single day! They were/are celebrities in Britain.

Ain't that a little bit like being valedictorian of summer school?

Are you saying that Benn and Eubank never made any money from boxing?

No. You said that. I don't care how much money they made. It was about how much money Roy Jones could make, and he could make more money staying home fighting the guys he did then traipsing off to germany or the UK to fight some pantywaist for chump change.

Let's see. Benn made well over £10million from boxing alone, which is about $20million, he retired in 1996.

Like I posted, it's about what JONES would have made, not what Benn would have made. And it's about 17 mil in US dollars, not 20.

Eubank made almost £20million from boxing alone, which is $30-40million, he retired in 1998. Add to that their celebrity appearances and we're looking at more millions.

So why wasn't he in Vegas fighting the best? Like I posted, these guys wanna hunker down on there rainy, gloomy little island let them do it. Just don't bellyache later about how bad you are and how American fighters "ducked" you.

McClellan was Ring Magazine's number one Middleweight in 1993 and 1994, Roy Jones was number two. So Hopkins wasn't the best when Jones Jr fought him.

Who gives a rat's ass what Ring Magazine thinks? Hopkins was better than McClellan every day of the week. And any magazine rating Roy Jones number two in them days has got it wrong. Lots of fighters get rated at certain slots for a variety of reasons that have little to do with how they would actually fair against the opponents rated higher than them in the ring. At one time Marvis Frazier was rated above Mike Tyson, for example.

Michalczewski had just beat Hill just before Jones Jr beat Hill. So Hill wasn't the best when Jones Jr fought him. As for Griffin, no comment.

Griffin is as good as ANY middle to come out of your country since the 1920's. What possible basis could you have for dissing him? Because he can't fight now? I never said Hill was the absolute best but one of the best available contenders at the time. If I say it always rains in Norway I don't mean it rains every single second of every single day.

It's nice that the Brits like boxing, and a few can even fight, but them accusing american fighters of ducking them is like the Chihauhau barking behind a big fence at the Great Dane passing by.

Why is Jones regarded as unlikeable, anyway? I think he's a cool guy. (reference to post two above)

I don't follow you, Anorak. You think Jones is cool. Lots of people don't. You asked why he is unlikable but I don't think you really want an answer. You like him. I don't. Everything's cool. To each his own.

But since you asked, i don't like him because he postures himself like he's this super special person doing boxing a favor by even fighting, like he could have been a movie star or a rocket scientist no problem if he wasn't a fighter. Big laugh, that.

He tries to act intelligent and polished and sophisticated and he's just an uneducated pug from Pensacola. That would be fine, if he didn't walk the dog and try to pretend he's way above that. Ali's ego was cool, Roy's just makes him a punk.

That's "their", not "there".

No, I can call it running. What school have you ever been to where the teacher's writing on the blackboard then suddenly starts legging it around the classroom?

Not sure I understand the Tito quote... are you saying that Tito was the sparring partner of Joppy and Hopkins? Eastman has never fought Tito.

As for Howard and Joppy, Howard was lazy in the first half but KDed Joppy and clearly showed he could master him. The final scores were 115-112/114-112 Joppy and a draw. Hardly a "schooling" there.
The Tito quote means that Bernard used Tito as a sparring parter who used Joppy as a sparring parter who schooled Eastman.

Hopkins schooled Eastman. The only rounds that Eastman won were the rounds that Nard took off. You don't have to brawl with a guy to win. Boxing is about hitting your opponent and not getting hit. Hopkins landed his right hand at will and held Eastman to a connect percentage of just 16%.

It sounds like you didn't see the fights? 2-3 years before Eastman was still the WBC mandatory! So yes he DID deserve a shot at the WBC belt.

If you saw the Eastman vs Joppy fight, you wouldn't suggest that Eastman was schooled... I though Eastman fell victim to a home town decsion.
I did see the fight. Eastman was lazy throughout the whole fight. Joppy won the fight through cleaner punching and aggresiveness throughout the bout.

The Joppy-Eastman fight was for the WBA title in 2002 which was 3 years before the Hopkins-Eastman fight in 2005. Tell me how Eastman deserved a shot against Hopkins in 2002 by losing to Joppy coming off a brutal KO to Tito who Hopkins toyed with.

Roy Jones is super special.. possibly the most talented boxer ever and definitely the most talented of this generation. He didn't need to box, he's an all around athlete. In fact, he was accepted into the NBA (not as a starter). Why do you say he's uneducated? He has post-secondary education in business and he has his own company, Square Ring. You sound like just one of those anti-jones shaft kissers.

I don't follow you, Anorak. You think Jones is cool. Lots of people don't. You asked why he is unlikable but I don't think you really want an answer. You like him. I don't. Everything's cool. To each his own.

But since you asked, i don't like him because he postures himself like he's this super special person doing boxing a favor by even fighting, like he could have been a movie star or a rocket scientist no problem if he wasn't a fighter. Big laugh, that.

He tries to act intelligent and polished and sophisticated and he's just an uneducated pug from Pensacola. That would be fine, if he didn't walk the dog and try to pretend he's way above that. Ali's ego was cool, Roy's just makes him a punk.

LMAO.

When McCallum beat Watson in '90....Mike was already past his prime,
& D-A-M-N, he absolutely slaughtered Watson.
I dare you to find another fight in which one fighter so thoroughly took apart another. I dare you.
Watson had every inch of his body PASTED by McCallum, while his own offense was turned into pathetic swats of desperation.
Then.....McCallum sent watson crashing to the floor....broken completely apart.

Doesn't matter when they COULD have fought....the FACT is that Ol' Mike McCallum took YEARS off the young Watson's boxing career when they DID fight.

If anyone wants to see a clinic, get your hands on McCallum-Watson.

BTW.....Watson was the favorite going in, & the fight was fought in England. Watson had every advantage, except for BOXING ABILITY.
You try fighting with a bout of the flu and a broken thumb, Watson was clearly not in any state to fight that night.

I know what you mean man... How many Glenn Kelly's - Gonzalez's - Clinton Woods - etc did we have to sit through whilst Bernard Hopikns and Joe Calzaghe were jumping up and down wanting to go up in weight and challenge him!


I dunno... He got knocked down a few times in the Gerald McClellan fight and took some MASSIVE blows, but never gave up... And went on to win!
Why didn't Calzaghe or Hopkins move up and become a number 1 ABC contender then? Why did Hopkins refuse a 40% split against a guy that had already beaten him if he was so desperate for revenge as you say he is. HBO offered Hopkins a contract with the contract being void if Hopkins lost a fight as any contract with any fighter on the network. However if Hopkins lost to Roy his contract with HBO wouldn't have been voided. 40% wasn't good enough for Bernard but he took a 20% cut to fight De la Hoya how you explain this.

As for Julio Gonzalez he went to Germany and kicked Darius' ass Y'all musta forgot homie.

No. You said that. I don't care how much money they made. It was about how much money Roy Jones could make, and he could make more money staying home fighting the guys he did then traipsing off to germany or the UK to fight some pantywaist for chump change.
Jones Jr could of made millions of dollars against Benn or Eubank in the UK. Benn, Eubank and Collins were all publicly saying time and time again in 1995 and 1996 that they wanted to fight Jones Jr in America but Jones Jr BLATANTLY avoided them.
Stop lying.


So why wasn't he in Vegas fighting the best? Like I posted, these guys wanna hunker down on there rainy, gloomy little island let them do it. Just don't bellyache later about how bad you are and how American fighters "ducked" you.
Eubank fought all of his mandatory contenders, including plenty of American's. He wasn't in Vegas fighting the best at the end of his career because Roy Jones and James Toney didn't want to fight him. There was nobody else out there. Before Toney and Roy Jones came along, Eubank WAS the best! He was Ring Magazine Super-Middleweight Champion in 1992.
Stop lying.


Who gives a rat's ass what Ring Magazine thinks? Hopkins was better than McClellan every day of the week. And any magazine rating Roy Jones number two in them days has got it wrong. Lots of fighters get rated at certain slots for a variety of reasons that have little to do with how they would actually fair against the opponents rated higher than them in the ring. At one time Marvis Frazier was rated above Mike Tyson, for example.
Hardly anybody, not even American's, knew who the heck Hopkins was back then. So to suggest that he was better than McClellan every day of the week is plain ridiculous. Roy Jones was IBF champion at the time, McClellan was WBC champion. Roy Jones was the number two Middleweight, McClellan was the number one Middleweight. Like it or lump it.
Stop lying.


Griffin is as good as ANY middle to come out of your country since the 1920's.
I'm glad I quoted you here, so that we can all laugh at you.
Stop lying.



This is why the whole world hates America, because of your stinking attitudes and all your damn lies.

This is why the whole world hates America, because of your stinking attitudes and all your damn lies.

you just made idiot of the week. congrats. now go lace up some gloves and talk about boxing instead of talking about stats, rankings, and interviews.

you just made idiot of the week. congrats. now go lace up some gloves and talk about boxing instead of talking about stats, rankings, and interviews.
Well it's true, you make yourselves so difficult to admire. Why are all American's full of hatred? Why do they try to bully other countries? Why do they over-rated themselves and over-exaggerate themselves? Why do they plain and simple bull****? It's beyond a joke FFS. It's been proven that the UK is the most successful boxing country in the world based on how many World Champion's we have produced with such a tiny population, and remember that boxing first started in London - that is where it all began.

It's guys like the 30stonegorilla who ****s yourselves up. It pisses me off, man.

Well it's true, you make yourselves so difficult to admire. Why are all American's full of hatred? Why do they try to bully other countries? Why do they over-rated themselves and over-exaggerate themselves? Why do they plain and simple bull****? It's beyond a joke FFS. It's been proven that the UK is the most successful boxing country in the world based on how many World Champion's we have produced with such a tiny population, and remember that boxing first started in London - that is where it all began.

It's guys like the 30stonegorilla who ****s yourselves up. It pisses me off, man.

You bring yourself down to the level of people who supposedly are "beneath" you. You show your true colors. You're too blind to see that you are an embarrassment to the very nation you represent. An embarrassment to the world, really.

Well it's true, you make yourselves so difficult to admire. Why are all American's full of hatred? Why do they try to bully other countries? Why do they over-rated themselves and over-exaggerate themselves? Why do they plain and simple bull****? It's beyond a joke FFS. It's been proven that the UK is the most successful boxing country in the world based on how many World Champion's we have produced with such a tiny population, and remember that boxing first started in London - that is where it all began.

It's guys like the 30stonegorilla who ****s yourselves up. It pisses me off, man.

i wouldn't say american's in general are full of hatred. the propoganda machine of the american government is what stirs things up. and as for right now america is not the most popular country (invading a country that had no WMD and breaking the geneva convention will do that). of course the current president is not the sharpest tool in the box. how intersting that the economy is ****, we are no where near as safe as we were from terrorist attack, and the so called homeland security technology is more aimed at keep it's citizens on check. on a side note...the UK is not without a history of fault (and blood).

Well it's true, you make yourselves so difficult to admire. Why are all American's full of hatred? Why do they try to bully other countries? Why do they over-rated themselves and over-exaggerate themselves? Why do they plain and simple bull****? It's beyond a joke FFS. It's been proven that the UK is the most successful boxing country in the world based on how many World Champion's we have produced with such a tiny population, and remember that boxing first started in London - that is where it all began.

It's guys like the 30stonegorilla who ****s yourselves up. It pisses me off, man.

Well, maybe if you go per capita, you're more successful, but your greats can't even touch ours in terms of skill. Let's just look at heavyweights: Ali, Louis, Foreman, Fraizer, and Holmes. Name on Brit, besides Lennox, who, from what I understand, claims Canada as his home, who could take him.

We might as well just name a few more: Marvin Hagler, Tommy Hearns, Ray Leonard, Floyd Mayweather, etc. Oh, right, let's not forget the one considered the greatest boxer to ever live, ANYWHERE: Sugar Ray Robinson. Britain is NOT the best country, I hate to break it to you. We've put out the greatest boxers ever. It doesn't matter where it started, either. That'd be like saying Hakeem Olajuwon isn't one of the greatest centers in the NBA ever, because basketball originated in the USA, and he's not from the USA.

Well, maybe if you go per capita, you're more successful, but your greats can't even touch ours in terms of skill. Let's just look at heavyweights: Ali, Louis, Foreman, Fraizer, and Holmes. Name on Brit, besides Lennox, who, from what I understand, claims Canada as his home, who could take him.

We might as well just name a few more: Marvin Hagler, Tommy Hearns, Ray Leonard, Floyd Mayweather, etc. Oh, right, let's not forget the one considered the greatest boxer to ever live, ANYWHERE: Sugar Ray Robinson. Britain is NOT the best country, I hate to break it to you. We've put out the greatest boxers ever. It doesn't matter where it started, either. That'd be like saying Hakeem Olajuwon isn't one of the greatest centers in the NBA ever, because basketball originated in the USA, and he's not from the USA.
Per capita the UK has been proven as the most successful boxing country, infact the USA doesn't even come close!

Well, maybe if you go per capita, you're more successful, but your greats can't even touch ours in terms of skill. Let's just look at heavyweights: Ali, Louis, Foreman, Fraizer, and Holmes. Name on Brit, besides Lennox, who, from what I understand, claims Canada as his home, who could take him.

We might as well just name a few more: Marvin Hagler, Tommy Hearns, Ray Leonard, Floyd Mayweather, etc. Oh, right, let's not forget the one considered the greatest boxer to ever live, ANYWHERE: Sugar Ray Robinson. Britain is NOT the best country, I hate to break it to you. We've put out the greatest boxers ever. It doesn't matter where it started, either. That'd be like saying Hakeem Olajuwon isn't one of the greatest centers in the NBA ever, because basketball originated in the USA, and he's not from the USA.
WAY!!! too many kids posting on this website... Use google or yahoo and do your on research kiddo.

And for the 5th time!... Lennox Lewis was born and grew up in Brixton, London.

Jones Jr could of made millions of dollars against Benn or Eubank in the UK. Benn, Eubank and Collins were all publicly saying time and time again in 1995 and 1996 that they wanted to fight Jones Jr in America but Jones Jr BLATANTLY avoided them.
Stop lying.

Well, if you want to talk 95-96, then I will use this one: Benn was SHOT by 95-96. He had nothing left in him. He had two winning fights after the McClellan tragedy, and those were in 95. By 96 he had nothing left. Roy said that if Nigel could come back and beat Malinga, he'd fight him, but he didn't. Had he taken him on in 96, we'd be discussing on how Roy beat up on old, shot fighters, instead of fighting the top dogs of the division.

Collins, maybe in 95-96 you have a point with them, but Eubank was on his way out, too. Roy explicitly stated that he would not fight Eubank on his way out, because Eubank would not fight him when he was on his way up.

So, that leaves us with Collins, who you probably have a case for in those years, I don't know anything about him, and Cal***gie. I don't know enough of the Cal***gie story, so I won't go there, because I'm not sure what the details were on it. So, in actuality, if we want to say Roy was dodging fighters, it WAS only 2 Brits he dodged. Going by the years you offer, at any rate.

WAY!!! too many kids posting on this website... Use google or yahoo and do your on research kiddo.

And for the 5th time!... Lennox Lewis was born and grew up in Brixton, London.

What are you talking about? I said, from what I heard, and that was what I heard.

Name people who can beat those guys I listed. In fact, I'll give you Lennox. None of your people, except Lennox, make the top ten list for HW's. I can't say that for the rest, but BY FAR we have put out the greatest boxers. You're just a nationalistic sucker, who wants to think that Britain had the greatest fighters ever, when it's just not the truth.

And don't call me kiddo, that's one of the most retarded words ever...

Also, I'm not talking per capita, because that's just stupid.

What are you talking about? I said, from what I heard, and that was what I heard.

Name people who can beat those guys I listed. In fact, I'll give you Lennox. None of your people, except Lennox, make the top ten list for HW's. I can't say that for the rest, but BY FAR we have put out the greatest boxers. You're just a nationalistic sucker, who wants to think that Britain had the greatest fighters ever, when it's just not the truth.

And don't call me kiddo, that's one of the most retarded words ever...
I don't think we had the greatest fighters ever...

Mexico do by FAR!!!...

LOL!... But it's OUR sport "Marquis of Queensberry" So you should respect it when talking to Brits!

Well, if you want to talk 95-96, then I will use this one: Benn was SHOT by 95-96. He had nothing left in him. He had two winning fights after the McClellan tragedy, and those were in 95. By 96 he had nothing left. Roy said that if Nigel could come back and beat Malinga, he'd fight him, but he didn't. Had he taken him on in 96, we'd be discussing on how Roy beat up on old, shot fighters, instead of fighting the top dogs of the division.

Collins, maybe in 95-96 you have a point with them, but Eubank was on his way out, too. Roy explicitly stated that he would not fight Eubank on his way out, because Eubank would not fight him when he was on his way up.

So, that leaves us with Collins, who you probably have a case for in those years, I don't know anything about him, and Cal***gie. I don't know enough of the Cal***gie story, so I won't go there, because I'm not sure what the details were on it. So, in actuality, if we want to say Roy was dodging fighters, it WAS only 2 Brits he dodged. Going by the years you offer, at any rate.
Calzaghe was scared to get in the ring with Glencoffe Johnson at 175lbs. He has a "back injury" then in his next fight was fighting at 168 still. Calzaghe has never wanted to fight Roy Jones period.

:haha: A comment from someone not in the know...

I don't think we had the greatest fighters ever...

Mexico do by FAR!!!...

LOL!... But it's OUR sport "Marquis of Queensberry" So you should respect it when talking to Brits!

I'm not saying it's not your sport, I'm saying it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Mexico didn't put out the greatest boxers, all around, either. Undoubtedly they have some in the top ten, but how can you argue with Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Ali, Foreman, Fraizer, Holmes, Tyson (he was great in his prime, no doubt about it), Holyfield (sucks now, though), Jones Jr. (even if he DID dodge fighters), Oscar De la Hoya (He's Mexican by heritage, but he's an American), Whitaker, Hopkins, Mayweather Jr., Joe Louis... the list goes on and on with all the great fighters we've had.

What is there to know about Calzaghes ducking Johnson. First he turns down a fight with Johnson then calls out Johnson when Johnson becomes champ. A week before the fight he suddenly becomes injured. When Calzaghe stops fighting bums let me know. :eek:

Well, if you want to talk 95-96, then I will use this one: Benn was SHOT by 95-96. He had nothing left in him. He had two winning fights after the McClellan tragedy, and those were in 95. By 96 he had nothing left. Roy said that if Nigel could come back and beat Malinga, he'd fight him, but he didn't. Had he taken him on in 96, we'd be discussing on how Roy beat up on old, shot fighters, instead of fighting the top dogs of the division.

Collins, maybe in 95-96 you have a point with them, but Eubank was on his way out, too. Roy explicitly stated that he would not fight Eubank on his way out, because Eubank would not fight him when he was on his way up.

So, that leaves us with Collins, who you probably have a case for in those years, I don't know anything about him, and Cal***gie. I don't know enough of the Cal***gie story, so I won't go there, because I'm not sure what the details were on it. So, in actuality, if we want to say Roy was dodging fighters, it WAS only 2 Brits he dodged. Going by the years you offer, at any rate.
By 1995 Benn had made 10 defences of his WBC title. Benn hadn't lost for 5 years (since he lost his World Middleweight title to Eubank in 1990) and he was rated #2 at 168 behind Jones Jr who was the #1 lb4lb fighter in the world. Benn defeated McClellan in 1995 who was the #2 lb4lb fighter in the world at the time (McClellan defeated Jones Jr at the 1988 Golden Gloves and was #1 at Middleweight ahead of Jones Jr in 1993 and 1994). Jones Jr didn't fight Benn. No excuses.

Eubank was rated #3 at 168 in 1995 (behind Jones Jr and Benn) until he lost to Collins. Collins was rated #2 at 168 behind Jones Jr in 1996. Jones Jr didn't fight Eubank or Collins either. He chose to fight Bryd, Thornton and Lucas instead and none of them were even ranked in the top 10 at 168 at the time of fighting Jones Jr. I rest my case.

I'm not saying it's not your sport, I'm saying it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Mexico didn't put out the greatest boxers, all around, either. Undoubtedly they have some in the top ten, but how can you argue with Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Ali, Foreman, Fraizer, Holmes, Tyson (he was great in his prime, no doubt about it), Holyfield (sucks now, though), Jones Jr. (even if he DID dodge fighters), Oscar De la Hoya (He's Mexican by heritage, but he's an American), Whitaker, Hopkins, Mayweather Jr., Joe Louis... the list goes on and on with all the great fighters we've had.
I was joking man... It's not OUR sport... We invented it, but we also invented football and tennis and cricket, and pretty much every sport!

We don't own them... That would be crazy! :eek: ... LOL!...

"Oscar De la Hoya (He's Mexican by heritage, but he's an American)" - Funny you say that after you kept winding me up about Lennox being Canadian/Jamacian - When he is English!

I've never said that American fighters are ****... I think some of the best fighters ever have come from American shores.

But... The guy's that have come out of Mexico over the years have been the greatest fighters by far, (In my opinion).

The way I see it... Media plays a HUGE part in the sport BOXING, and they can build up and knock down any fighter, But truth is always told in the ring.

Some of these little Mexicans have fought and done things in their career that guys like Hopkins/Jones could only dream of. EVERY fight they had was against the best in the WORLD!... There was no warm up fights or 20 defences against the same 7 guys... They had to do it the HARD way.

And they're what make me follow the sport of boxing.

By 1995 Benn had made 10 defences of his WBC title. Benn hadn't lost for 5 years (since he lost his World Middleweight title to Eubank in 1990) and he was rated #2 at 168 behind Jones Jr who was the #1 lb4lb fighter in the world. Benn defeated McClellan in 1995 who was the #2 lb4lb fighter in the world at the time (McClellan defeated Jones Jr at the 1988 Golden Gloves and was number one at Middleweight ahead of Jones Jr in 1993 and 1994). Jones Jr didn't fight Benn. No excuses.

Eubank was rated #3 at 168 in 1995 (behind Jones Jr and Benn) until he lost to Collins. Collins was rated #2 at 168 behind Jones Jr in 1996. Jones Jr didn't fight Eubank or Collins either. He chose to fight Bryd, Thornton and Lucas instead and none of them were even ranked in the top 10 at 168 at the time of fighting Jones Jr. I rest my case.

Yes, at the beginning of 95 that was so. By the end of 95 Nigel was done. He was a shot fighter. Bringing '96 into the picture, as you did above, is irrelevant, because Benn was shot.

Eubank has been explained, and explained, and explained, yet you fail to accept it.

The amateurs have NOTHING to do with pro boxing.

I'm not saying it's not your sport, I'm saying it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Mexico didn't put out the greatest boxers, all around, either. Undoubtedly they have some in the top ten, but how can you argue with Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Ali, Foreman, Fraizer, Holmes, Tyson (he was great in his prime, no doubt about it), Holyfield (sucks now, though), Jones Jr. (even if he DID dodge fighters), Oscar De la Hoya (He's Mexican by heritage, but he's an American), Whitaker, Hopkins, Mayweather Jr., Joe Louis... the list goes on and on with all the great fighters we've had.
you are just cherry picking the best fighters ever from America, those guys you mention are legends there's no doubt about that, but just because america has produced those great figters, dosn't mean they are top in terms overall success in terms of the population, britain is ahead in that respect, there's no denying that.

I was joking man... It's not OUR sport... We invented it, but we also invented football and tennis and cricket, and pretty much every sport!

We don't own them... That would be crazy! :eek: ... LOL!...

"Oscar De la Hoya (He's Mexican by heritage, but he's an American)" - Funny you say that after you kept winding me up about Lennox being Canadian/Jamacian - When he is English!

I've never said that American fighters are ****... I think some of the best fighters ever have come from American shores.

But... The guy's that have come out of Mexico over the years have been the greatest fighters by far, (In my opinion).

The way I see it... Media plays a HUGE part in the sport BOXING, and they can build up and knock down any fighter, But truth is always told in the ring.

Some of these little Mexicans have fought and done things in their career that guys like Hopkins/Jones could only dream of. EVERY fight they had was against the best in the WORLD!... There was no warm up fights or 20 defences against the same 7 guys... They had to do it the HARD way.

And they're what make me follow the sport of boxing.

Soccer... we invented football.

Anyhow, De la Hoya was born in America, and has lived in America his whole life. I had heard Lennox had not, perhaps I was wrong.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about the best fighters. I'm not just talking current times, though, I'm talking throughout the span of the sport. I don't think anyone can make a reasonable list to combat the greatest American fighters with only fighters from one other country. Granted, the USA is pretty big, so we do have a bit of an advantage there, but still. There's simply no way that I see one country's best against the USA's best (all time) and winning against us.

We also seem to have different opinions on what should go on inside the ring. While I applaud guys like Morales, for pulling some crazy thing in the 12th to make for an exciting fight, and I applaud Gatti and Ward for fighting 10 rounds throwing purely power shots, and both having the heart to continue, I'd rather watch two technically skilled fighters BOX each other. If I wanted to watch a slugfest, I wouldn't be watching BOXING.

you are just cherry picking the best fighters ever from America, those guys you mention are legends there's no doubt about that, but just because america has produced those great figters, dosn't mean they are top in terms overall success in terms of the population, britain is ahead in that respect, there's no denying that.

Once again, I'm not talking in terms of per capita. You're probably right, there, even though I'm not TOO familiar with British boxing, and only know the biggest names. Benn, Lewis, Hatton (only because of what's going on now, really), Cal***gie, etc. Also, of course I'm talking about our greatest fighters ever. It's not my fault they are all legends of the ring. The thing is, WE HAVE ALL THE LEGENDS... most of them, anyhow. That's my point, America has produced the MOST amount of GREAT fighters anywhere in the world. I'm not talking per capita, either.

They had to do it the HARD way.

Wrong. Julio Cesar Chavez, the ultimate Mexican boxer, fought upwards of 50 lower class fighters in his career, fighters people might call "bums" (idiots anyway).

Jones and Hopkins don't dream of doing anything those guys did, and that's another thing you don't get. You are STILL hating on fighters because you don't like their style. Get over it, dude.

People decide who is great, as well as what goes on in the ring. On both accounts Hopkins and Jones are great fighters. So are many others.

Wrong. Julio Cesar Chavez, the ultimate Mexican boxer, fought upwards of 50 lower class fighters in his career, fighters people might call "bums" (idiots anyway).

Jones and Hopkins don't dream of doing anything those guys did, and that's another thing you don't get. You are STILL hating on fighters because you don't like their style. Get over it, dude.

People decide who is great, as well as what goes on in the ring. On both accounts Hopkins and Jones are great fighters. So are many others.

I don't think he's denying that Hopkins and Jones are great fighters, you'd have to be an idiot to do that.

britain is ahead in that respect, there's no denying that.

No they are not and yes there is until proven otherwise. Back up your yap with something undeniable (aside from your CLAIM that it is undeniable).

I don't think he's denying that Hopkins and Jones are great fighters, you'd have to be an idiot to do that.

I don't think so. He's said time and time again that "I reckon Hopkis ain't all that great".

Ask him yourself.

No they are not and yes there is until proven otherwise. Back up your yap with something undeniable (aside from your CLAIM that it is undeniable).

Per capita, they might be. I don't know of many great Brits, though.

Could someone name the greatest British fighters, please?

I don't think so. He's said time and time again that "I reckon Hopkis ain't all that great".

Ask him yourself.

Maybe he's not all that bright then. I don't think it's possible to deny that Hopkins is one of the most technically skilled fighters of this era, and perhaps ever.

Wrong. Julio Cesar Chavez, the ultimate Mexican boxer, fought upwards of 50 lower class fighters in his career, fighters people might call "bums" (idiots anyway).

Jones and Hopkins don't dream of doing anything those guys did, and that's another thing you don't get. You are STILL hating on fighters because you don't like their style. Get over it, dude.

People decide who is great, as well as what goes on in the ring. On both accounts Hopkins and Jones are great fighters. So are many others.
Yeah, But you conviently left this part out... Which to me is probably the most important part!

The way I see it... Media plays a HUGE part in the sport BOXING, and they can build up and knock down any fighter, But truth is always told in the ring.

hopkins is less dangerous than a prime nigel benn but the dark destroyer is also more one dimensional than hops. benn is one of my fav fighters, but he's a puncher with a lot of heart, kind of like a middleweight lamon brewster

Per capita, they might be. I don't know of many great Brits, though.

Could someone name the greatest British fighters, please?



Maybe he's not all that bright then. I don't think it's possible to deny that Hopkins is one of the most technically skilled fighters of this era, and perhaps ever.
Well he isn't the best British fighter of all time, but how about a guy that went from middlewight and won the heavyweight title, (Before the likes of RJJ went up to fight possibly the worst heavyweight belt holder ever in Ruiz - at the same time Lennox Lewis held the crown!)

Bob Fitzsimmons?

Yeah, But you conviently left this part out... Which to me is probably the most important part!

Nothing was left out 4 "convenience". Get over conspiracies. Boxing media is not big at all. The fans have the biggest say as the media does not even say much anyway.

Real boxing fans are not claiming what fighters are great based on the media. The media hardly even speaks on the issue anyway.

Well he isn't the best British fighter of all time, but how about a guy that went from middlewight and won the heavyweight title, (Before the likes of RJJ went up to fight possibly the worst heavyweight belt holder ever in Ruiz - at the same time Lennox Lewis held the crown!)

Bob Fitzsimmons?

Yeah, he might be up there. I'm not too sure. I hope that's not all you can think of though! Seriously, I don't think there is a single country that can make a list to combat with America's list.

Anyhow, Roy only did it to get a belt, and to say he did it. He wasn't looking to become a real heavyweight. He even said it in the post fight interview that he was just there to make history.

I do agree with your sig, though. Sadly, Lennox IS the best HW since Ali... Well, unless you include 90's Foreman, because I think Big George takes Lewis when he was younger, though he would not fight him past his 50's.

Yeah, he might be up there. I'm not too sure. I hope that's not all you can think of though! Seriously, I don't think there is a single country that can make a list to combat with America's list.

Anyhow, Roy only did it to get a belt, and to say he did it. He wasn't looking to become a real heavyweight.
Bob Fitzsimmons did become a real heavyweight...

But the media plays such a large part in Boxing, espcially the American media, in that they build up fighters to make them sound so much greater than they are or were.

Mexicans are the real warriors of the ring.

Some great British fighters of the past 20 years or so...
Alan Minter (WBC/WBA Middleweight), Barry McGuigan (WBA Featherweight), Lloyd Honeyghan (WBC/WBA/IBF Welterweight), Nigel Benn (WBO Middleweight, WBC Super-Middleweight), Lennox Lewis (WBC/WBA/IBF Heavyweight). Just to name a few.


In the distant past we have had the likes of Ted 'Kid' Lewis who is the greatest European fighter of all-time, he went from Featherweight to Heavyweight!! Ted Lewis was number one in the world for years and years, he beat all the greatest American fighters, he was getting the better off some of the greatest fighters that ever lived such as Jack Britton, Mickey Walker, Benny Leonard...

Henry Cooper was the first man to put Muhammad Ali down and would of won if Angelo Dundee didn't split Ali's glove and call for time-out. Ali was clearly stunned. Cooper had the best left hook ever, better than Joe Frazier's.

Randolf Turpin defeated the greatest fightest of all-time. Sugar Ray Robinson defeated by Turpin.

Jimmy Wilde is undoubtedly the greatest Flyweight that ever lived.


The guys I mentioned above are only a small handful of the great British fighters from this tiny, tiny country.

Bob Fitzsimmons did become a real heavyweight...

But the media plays such a large part in Boxing, espcially the American media, in that they build up fighters to make them sound so much greater than they are or were.

Mexicans are the real warriors of the ring.

Warriors are not necessarily boxers. Gatti and Ward are warriors, but no one REALLY considers them gret boxers. There's a big difference in the two.

Roy Jones WAS great, and it's impossible to deny that.

Nothing was left out 4 "convenience". Get over conspiracies. Boxing media is not big at all. The fans have the biggest say as the media does not even say much anyway.

Real boxing fans are not claiming what fighters are great based on the media. The media hardly even speaks on the issue anyway.
Now how's being niave?... LOL!...

Warriors are not necessarily boxers. Gatti and Ward are warriors, but no one REALLY considers them gret boxers. There's a big difference in the two.

Roy Jones WAS great, and it's impossible to deny that.
Yeah, I know... I didn't quite mean it like that "warriors".

I just mean guys that fought the best over and over again, and didn't get the luxery of warm up fights or pick and choose fights. That couldn't go up in weight to avoid or down in weight to avoid, or that couldn't fight for the IBF this time, then the WBC that time, just so they didn't have to go in the ring with someone the didn't want to.

Do you know how difficult it is for a British fighter to get a World title shot? British fighters who become World Champions deserve the most respect.

(I remember when Richie Woodhall was kept on the WBC mandatory position for two whole years by a certain Mr King!)

Guys, at the end of the day ... RJJ was a great fighter inside US, Benn was a great fighter outside US, Eubanks a great a fighter outside US, Collins and Cal***gi- both decent, and RJJ would of MOST LIKELY beat the lot of em.

Right ?

Thankyou.

Ted 'Kid' Lewis he went from Featherweight to Heavyweight
impossible

Bull ****!

Im tired of has been and never was fighters saying that they could beat RJJ. If you really wanted to fight him you could have. But you DIDNT. Look at antonio tarver. He went on a **** talking spree. Going to RJJ hometown and driving around using a Public Address System saying that RJJ is a ***** and that he was dodging him. He went on the radio sayin the same ****. For 3 years he did everything he could to embaress him. And you know what. It worked. He fought RJJ and won. You know what the difference between him and you guys is. He knew he could win and nothin stopped him from doing so. You guys say "I would have destroyed him", "He dodged me", or "It would have been a barn Burner." But you truly didnt think you could win. He had you beaten before you ever thought about getting in the ring with him. So the next time you really have this urge to talk ****, just Remember that fear you had deep down inside of you of RJJ, how it made you feel. And shut the F*ck up.

Bull ****!

Im tired of has been and never was fighters saying that they could beat RJJ. If you really wanted to fight him you could have. But you DIDNT. Look at antonio tarver. He went on a **** talking spree. Going to RJJ hometown and driving around using a Public Address System saying that RJJ is a ***** and that he was dodging him. He went on the radio sayin the same ****. For 3 years he did everything he could to embaress him. And you know what. It worked. He fought RJJ and won. You know what the difference between him and you guys is. He knew he could win and nothin stopped him from doing so. You guys say "I would have destroyed him", "He dodged me", or "It would have been a barn Burner." But you truly didnt think you could win. He had you beaten before you ever thought about getting in the ring with him. So the next time you really have this urge to talk ****, just Remember that fear you had deep down inside of you of RJJ, how it made you feel. And shut the F*ck up.
Exactly. Good post.

He's been quite vocal about this... I don't wanna harp on about Joe Calzaghe, but Roy Jones openly admitted - "I'll never fight Joe Calzaghe coz' he's too dangerous, he's fast, powerfull, hungry, and unbeaten. I can make easier money defending my belts against easier fighters".

That really F**ked me off when Jones said that, and I lost a lot of respect for him.


This is the biggest hunk of **** I've ever heard.

I read an interview with Joe Calzaghe after Roy beat Ruiz, where Calzaghe admitted he was in awe of Jones, and said he NEVER had any intention of fighting Roy.

After Roy's losses, Calzaghe changed his tune and started running his mouth.

Calzaghe has NEVER fought anyone with a pulse. He wouldn't even fight Ottke.

Any suggestion Roy ducked a nobody like Calzaghe is laughable and asinine.

This is the biggest hunk of **** I've ever heard.

I read an interview with Joe Calzaghe after Roy beat Ruiz, where Calzaghe admitted he was in awe of Jones, and said he NEVER had any intention of fighting Roy.

After Roy's losses, Calzaghe changed his tune and started running his mouth.

Calzaghe has NEVER fought anyone with a pulse. He wouldn't even fight Ottke.

Any suggestion Roy ducked a nobody like Calzaghe is laughable and asinine.
:haha: Not in the know fella... It was on skysports website!

Bull ****!

Im tired of has been and never was fighters saying that they could beat RJJ. If you really wanted to fight him you could have. But you DIDNT. Look at antonio tarver. He went on a **** talking spree. Going to RJJ hometown and driving around using a Public Address System saying that RJJ is a ***** and that he was dodging him. He went on the radio sayin the same ****. For 3 years he did everything he could to embaress him. And you know what. It worked. He fought RJJ and won. You know what the difference between him and you guys is. He knew he could win and nothin stopped him from doing so. You guys say "I would have destroyed him", "He dodged me", or "It would have been a barn Burner." But you truly didnt think you could win. He had you beaten before you ever thought about getting in the ring with him. So the next time you really have this urge to talk ****, just Remember that fear you had deep down inside of you of RJJ, how it made you feel. And shut the F*ck up.
Steve Collins travelled like 10,000 miles to go all the way to Pensicola and climb in the ring after Jones Jr fights asking him in front of the whole of America for a unification clash. Collins was at Jones Jr's press conferences calling him every name under the sun, coward etc. There is no excuses here.

Eubank was ringing Jones Jr up all the time, Jones Jr hung up on him. Eubank was ringing HBO trying to arrange something. No excuses.

Benn said that he'd put his $6million purse from the Jones Jr fight straight into the Gerald McClellan trust fund. No excuses.

Jones Jr was too scared to fight these great fighters, and preferred to spar with awful opposition instead. You can't defend him, because there is nothing to defend him with. If the case went to court, the verdict would easily be that Jones Jr avoided these guys.

Benn and Eubank are the biggest legends in British boxing history, so I guess they are nobodies right? Jones Jr will be never be as big a name as these guys, in his dreams.

The Benn-Eubank re-match sold-out in a matter of HOURS, 50,000 tickets. There was a 24+ million audience watching it in Britain (more people watched the Benn-Eubank fight than ANYTHING else on British TV! Not even the Queen's speech got as many viewers as Benn and Eubank!). From their re-match in the early 90's, which Don King promoted, Benn picked up £1.75million and Eubank picked up £1.25million (that's about about $3million each), and this was all the way back in 1993. What did Jones Jr and Hopkins earn from their fight in 1993? Not even six-figure fees! Benn and Eubank were earning seven-figure fees, at the same Jones Jr and Hopkins were earning five-figure fees.

You idiot.

Juy Juy...

you are a JokeJoke.

You seem to possess some boxing insight, but it's overwhelmed by your nationalistic idiocy, & your frightening OBSESSION with Chris Eubank.
Eubank was a very good fighter, perhaps underrated by the boxing world.....but your obsession with him is inexplicable....unless you are either related to him, or have slept with him.

You are annoying.

Juy Juy...

you are a JokeJoke.

You seem to possess some boxing insight, but it's overwhelmed by your nationalistic idiocy, & your frightening OBSESSION with Chris Eubank.
Eubank was a very good fighter, perhaps underrated by the boxing world.....but your obsession with him is inexplicable....unless you are either related to him, or have slept with him.

You are annoying.
Eubank fell short of his potential but he's not under-rated.

He has/had fan bases all over Europe/Australia/Africa/Canada/Middle East, who loved to watch him fight. Plus his loyal fans in England who were with him from very early on in Brighton and stayed with him when he travelled the world... "Euuuuubank!".

always a benn fan myself, wen to the states fought over there, took on all comers, barkley g man, bloke was nails.

never the same man after the Gerald tragedy though.

I remember being so gutted at the way he quit in that fight, then i watched the mclellan fight agian and totally understood why.

Eubank was atough mofo though, should have gone stateside more to prove his skills imo.

Guys, at the end of the day ... RJJ was a great fighter inside US, Benn was a great fighter outside US, Eubanks a great a fighter outside US, Collins and Cal***gi- both decent, and RJJ would of MOST LIKELY beat the lot of em.

Right ?

Thankyou.

NO NOT RIGHT BENN HAD MANY FIGHTS IN THE STATES INCLUDING ICING IRAN BARKLEY IN ONE ROUND IN VEGAS.

SO NO NOT RIGHT AT ALL.

fight in the US for Nige

Barkley won KO1
Dewitt won KO 8
williams won points
Quinones won KO 1
Amparo won UD

Roy didnt fight that many times outside of his state let alone abroad.

Works both ways TRULY great fighters travel.

NO NOT RIGHT BENN HAD MANY FIGHTS IN THE STATES INCLUDING ICING IRAN BARKLEY IN ONE ROUND IN VEGAS.

SO NO NOT RIGHT AT ALL.

fight in the US for Nige

Barkley won KO1
Dewitt won KO 8
williams won points
Quinones won KO 1
Amparo won UD

Roy didnt fight that many times outside of his state let alone abroad.

Works both ways TRULY great fighters travel.
That Barkley fight was awesome. Tommy Hearns at his best threw everything at Barkley for three or four rounds but couldn't knock him down, then Barkley knocked Hearns out to win the title. Nigel Benn threw everything at Barkley and knocked him down three times in the first-round!

Jeez Benn now has more power than Tommy Hearns!

Sounds like he was almost unbeatable to me.............

Jeez Benn now has more power than Tommy Hearns!

Sounds like he was almost unbeatable to me.............
Benn could whack like no other.

McClellan took Julian Jackson's best shots! But he couldn't take Benn's best shots.

Benn could WHACK!

That Barkley fight was awesome. Tommy Hearns at his best threw everything at Barkley for three or four rounds but couldn't knock him down, then Barkley knocked Hearns out to win the title. Nigel Benn threw everything at Barkley and knocked him down three times in the first-round!
Why did he hit Barkley everytime he knocked him down?

Jeesus Christ - Benn was nowhere near as hard punching as Tommy Hearns, tell me ONE Benn KO that was as definitive as Tommys one punch destruction of Roberto Duran.

And dont give me the names of some idiots or well past its that Benn fought most of the time when looking good, i would actually like to see his KO record against "World Class" fighters - as my guess is it aint that impressive.

Why did he hit Barkley everytime he knocked him down?
He didn't, he hit Barkley once when Barkley was on his knees but it was because Benn had already pulled his arm back and couldn't hold it back in time. That little punch on the back of the head wouldn't of done much, the big right hand that actually put Barkley down did the damage - it shook Barkley to his boots like he'd never been shaken before or after. Also, I remember Benn charged straight out of his corner when the opening bell rung and landed a huge right hand on Barkley - the first punch of the fight - that won him the fight more than any of the punches he landed after that. Barkley flew back into the ropes and Benn continued to charge like a wild animal, Barkley got tangled up in the ropes and almost flew out of the ring, he went down.

Jeesus Christ - Benn was nowhere near as hard punching as Tommy Hearns, tell me ONE Benn KO that was as definitive as Tommys one punch destruction of Roberto Duran.

And dont give me the names of some idiots or well past its that Benn fought most of the time when looking good, i would actually like to see his KO record against "World Class" fighters - as my guess is it aint that impressive.
Now come on fella... That Hitman Hearns vs Roberto Duran was a brutal knockdown, but Duran was gone as a fighter by then.

He started off as a lightweight, and before the Hearns fight he had to come down from 190lbs to 160lbs... I just don't think Duran was really taking it seriously.

I would say that Nigel Benn had a bigger punch than Hearns.

Jeesus Christ - Benn was nowhere near as hard punching as Tommy Hearns, tell me ONE Benn KO that was as definitive as Tommys one punch destruction of Roberto Duran.

And dont give me the names of some idiots or well past its that Benn fought most of the time when looking good, i would actually like to see his KO record against "World Class" fighters - as my guess is it aint that impressive.
After his losses to Watson and Eubank, Benn decided to change his style. Before that, Benn tried to kill his opponents with every single punch he threw. But then he changed into more of a thinking fighter, clearly not putting his full force into punches from then on and preferring to place them instead. Benn became WBC 168 champion as a much more complete fighter than the younger, faster Benn at 160 who wasted too many shots.

In his early career, Benn's murderous degree of power in his fists was scarey. Watch clips of him coming through the ranks, the KO's are scarey! He beat some guys with the very first punch of the fight and they were out clean cold - it was madness. But he was also wasting loads of shots in all his fights, putting all his efforts into each punch. Benn knew that he needed to change his style from that and be able to win points decisions if he wanted to gain consistency to defend his WBC title a number of times - so he didn't put all his power into punches from then.

Probably fair comment from you guys.

Benn certainly doesnt deserve to be(imo) in the upper tier of HOF MW's or SMW.

Probably fair comment from you guys.

Benn certainly doesnt deserve to be(imo) in the upper tier of HOF MW's or SMW.
WHAT??

Benn made 10 defences of WBC Super-Middleweight title, and that division has only been a round a few years.

Benn is arguably the best SMW ever.

Probably fair comment from you guys.

Benn certainly doesnt deserve to be(imo) in the upper tier of HOF MW's or SMW.

bollox with a capital B.

Ben did mor ethan kmost went abroad to obtain the title took on an HOFamer in Barkly and iced him ina round.

Beat another hall of famer in Mcllellan whats does the bloke have to do then.


**** me rapid. :mad:

WHAT??

Benn made 10 defences of WBC Super-Middleweight title, and that division has only been a round a few years.

Benn is arguably the best SMW ever.

He fought more top class fighter's than any other SMW too.

Ouch - I did say IMO.

Just out of interest you guys - where do you rank Benn against guys like Hagler/SRL/Monzon etc?

I suspect he would have "ktfo" of them would he?

Ouch - I did say IMO.

Just out of interest you guys - where do you rank Benn against guys like Hagler/SRL/Monzon etc?

I suspect he would have "ktfo" of them would he?

hehehe...I'd give him zero chance against those guys but I'd love to see him against Hearns. :)

Im a brit too-but the way he quit on the stool against collins just disgusted me-a taste i never managed to rid myself of.........

In fairness he was a very good fighter, could bang and had a good resume. So i spose i must be talking bollox.........

Ouch - I did say IMO.

Just out of interest you guys - where do you rank Benn against guys like Hagler/SRL/Monzon etc?

I suspect he would have "ktfo" of them would he?
Benn would of KO'd Hearns and Leonard when they wanted to fight him in 1990. But I don't think that he would of stood much chance against Hagler or Hearns at their bests, although having said that you wouldn't write Benn off against anybody. Leonard wasn't really a natural MW, he was a Welterweight.

You have to remember that Benn didn't spend long at MW, he spent longer at SMW. He is arguably the greatest SMW there has been, along with Chris Eubank.

Im a brit too-but the way he quit on the stool against collins just disgusted me-a taste i never managed to rid myself of.........

In fairness he was a very good fighter, could bang and had a good resume. So i spose i must be talking bollox.........

Yeah, that pissed me off too. He shouldn't have been in the ring in the 1st place though, you could tell he was gone in the Malinga fight.

you could tell he was gone in the Malinga fight.
Totally disagree with that, more like you could tell he was gone in the Nardiello and Perez fights! Benn looked slow, easy to hit and a shadow of his former self in those few fights after McClellan. So I predicted that Malinga would win (nobody gave Malinga a chance though, which I couldn't understand because Benn was clearly done), it was only Benn's awkwardness and 'whacking' ability that got him through the Nardiello and Perez fights - they just couldn't take Benn's whacks and crumbled. But Malinga had a solid chin and good staying power (even though he was knocked down by the frustrated Benn in that fight).

Steve Collins travelled like 10,000 miles to go all the way to Pensicola and climb in the ring after Jones Jr fights asking him in front of the whole of America for a unification clash. Collins was at Jones Jr's press conferences calling him every name under the sun, coward etc. There is no excuses here.

Eubank was ringing Jones Jr up all the time, Jones Jr hung up on him. Eubank was ringing HBO trying to arrange something. No excuses.

Benn said that he'd put his $6million purse from the Jones Jr fight straight into the Gerald McClellan trust fund. No excuses.

Jones Jr was too scared to fight these great fighters, and preferred to spar with awful opposition instead. You can't defend him, because there is nothing to defend him with. If the case went to court, the verdict would easily be that Jones Jr avoided these guys.

Benn and Eubank are the biggest legends in British boxing history, so I guess they are nobodies right? Jones Jr will be never be as big a name as these guys, in his dreams.

The Benn-Eubank re-match sold-out in a matter of HOURS, 50,000 tickets. There was a 24+ million audience watching it in Britain (more people watched the Benn-Eubank fight than ANYTHING else on British TV! Not even the Queen's speech got as many viewers as Benn and Eubank!). From their re-match in the early 90's, which Don King promoted, Benn picked up £1.75million and Eubank picked up £1.25million (that's about about $3million each), and this was all the way back in 1993. What did Jones Jr and Hopkins earn from their fight in 1993? Not even six-figure fees! Benn and Eubank were earning seven-figure fees, at the same Jones Jr and Hopkins were earning five-figure fees.

You idiot.

I bet Roy has made more money then them now, u mean they will never be a big name like Jones, if u ask a non boxing fan who Jones is they will most likely no, but ask them who Eubank is or BEnn, they will be like i dont kno. Roy woulda beay any of them at 168, he beat Toney and Hopkins 2 of the top fighters today and one of them is p4p number one and people say he never beat no one. it just doesnt make sense.

I bet Roy has made more money then them now, u mean they will never be a big name like Jones, if u ask a non boxing fan who Jones is they will most likely no, but ask them who Eubank is or BEnn, they will be like i dont kno. Roy woulda beay any of them at 168, he beat Toney and Hopkins 2 of the top fighters today and one of them is p4p number one and people say he never beat no one. it just doesnt make sense.
NOBODY has ever heard of Roy Jones here in Britain aside from boxing fans. Whereas EVERYBODY knows Benn and Eubank here in Britain, they are big celebrities (especially Eubank).

Im a brit too-but the way he quit on the stool against collins just disgusted me-a taste i never managed to rid myself of.........

In fairness he was a very good fighter, could bang and had a good resume. So i spose i must be talking bollox.........
post mclellen a man he turned into a vegatable, he had no desire for boxing mate.

sorry if i seemed harsh no offence meant.

Totally disagree with that, more like you could tell he was gone in the Nardiello and Perez fights! Benn looked slow, easy to hit and a shadow of his former self in those few fights after McClellan. So I predicted that Malinga would win (nobody gave Malinga a chance though, which I couldn't understand because Benn was clearly done), it was only Benn's awkwardness and 'whacking' ability that got him through the Nardiello and Perez fights - they just couldn't take Benn's whacks and crumbled. But Malinga had a solid chin and good staying power (even though he was knocked down by the frustrated Benn in that fight).

Maybe so, it's been years since I saw those fights. The Malinga fight's the one where I remember him looking truly awful for the 1st time.

frank pint tomorrow mate you got my mobe yeah?


see you there. :boxing:

Good thread.

Dariusz M. had similar experiences with Roy Jones in trying to get a fight as Benn, Eubank and Collins did.

I think Jones would of beaten Benn and collins on the same night
Collins dosent deserve to be even mentioned with Eubank and Benn
He beat both those guys when they were stiffs and even then he couldnt finish them.

Cal***gie nneds to stop ducking Lacy


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Last time I checked, Benn got his ass reamed by Malinga. Jones KOed Malinga in his next fight. This thread is a moot point. No one listed will ever be inducted in the HOF and will be an afterthought in the history books. All the excuses come from the haters. Jones would have destroyed everyone you listed above during that period of time. To think otherwise would be nothing more than ignorance. Even if you hate Roy you can't take away from his ability and what he accomplished.

Well the problem is with Jones you can only predict and fantasize about who would win. I agree that Jones would have beat them 3 but the fact is he refused to fight these fighters because of the risk

Well It's no secret that Roy Jones has spent a lot of his career avoiding the best in each division.

I think the reason was because Gerald McClellan was a friend of his, and after seeing what happened to him, it changed Roy forever... He only ever looked for fights that he KNEW he could win, or fights agaist fighters that weren't dangerous.

He's been quite vocal about this... I don't wanna harp on about Joe Calzaghe, but Roy Jones openly admitted - "I'll never fight Joe Calzaghe coz' he's too dangerous, he's fast, powerfull, hungry, and unbeaten. I can make easier money defending my belts against easier fighters".

That really F**ked me off when Jones said that, and I lost a lot of respect for him.

he never said that your dopey prick, and his friends disability crisis was not too log ago, it's his reason for not wanting to knock people out, believe, he can still knock the **** out of alot f top contenders even today, quit bein such a hater, jealousy and envy are a *****

Good thread.
Nigel would have tested the Jones Jnr chin like nobody else could or would.

Steve Collins is a Legend in Ireland anytime his name comes up its about RJJ never fought him he went 10000 miles challenged RJJ said he'd fight him with 2 men a dog watching & still RJJ wouldn't whether Collins would have won is a different story.:baby:

Steve Collins is a Legend in Ireland anytime his name comes up its about RJJ never fought him he went 10000 miles challenged RJJ said he'd fight him with 2 men a dog watching & still RJJ wouldn't whether Collins would have won is a different story.:baby:

Collins priced himself out of a fight with Jones. Next.

Collins priced himself out of a fight with Jones. Next.
I'm out of here all i will say is Nigel Benn ducked no 1 always came to fight as for Collins have a look at his record.
I'm a fan of RJJ just giving an opinion.

I'm out of here all i will say is Nigel Benn ducked no 1 always came to fight as for Collins have a look at his record.
I'm a fan of RJJ just giving an opinion.

Never said that Benn did. By the time a Benn Jones fight was in the works Benn had lost to Thulani Sugar Boy.

Never said that Benn did. By the time a Benn Jones fight was in the works Benn had lost to Thulani Sugar Boy.
Sugar BOY also beat Eubank but didn't get the D i think if any fighter RJJ should have feared was the great Michael Watson.

BENN

Q: You never did get it on with Roy, why was that? Who was ducking who Nigel?
NB: It's not for me to say. But I'll tell you this - Jones had a choice, his choice was to fight the champion Nigel Benn in a barn-burner or the contender Bernard Hopkins in a snooze-fest. He chose Bernard Hopkins. Jones can't deny that because it's what happened. He won one of the WBC International belts at super middle at the same time that I was the main WBC super middle belt holder, when Chris Eubank had one of those WBC International belts he landed a fight with me shortly after. Okay, Jones had been the mandatory for the IBF middle but he was also offered the chance to fight me for my main WBC belt at his new weight and I was up for it. I was right up for it. I saw some of his fights and rubbed my hands together because I knew it could be a right old tear-up. But why would Jones drop back down to middle to fight for a lesser title? I don't know, only he can answer that.

Here's how Benn said he'd fight Roy Jones in 1996: "I'd have no choice but to throw absolutely everything at him for three of four rounds and hope for the best. I'm not the fighter I used to be so I'm not going out of my way to make a fight with him. I went out of my way to make a fight with him in the past but he dodged me, plain and simple. I'm past my best now but still dangerous enough to give Jones hell if he wants some."

Legendary thread and a poster.

anyone have a vid of when collins approached jones post fight?

he never said that your dopey prick, and his friends disability crisis was not too log ago, it's his reason for not wanting to knock people out, believe, he can still knock the **** out of alot f top contenders even today, quit bein such a hater, jealousy and envy are a *****



lmfao, how the fcuk do you know ?
You're 17, you were probs on kinder garden (or what ever they call it) when he said that, fcuking nublet.

lmfao, how the fcuk do you know ?
You're 17, you were probs on kinder garden (or what ever they call it) when he said that, fcuking nublet.

I'll never fight Joe Calzaghe coz' he's too dangerous, he's fast, powerfull, hungry, and unbeaten. I can make easier money defending my belts against easier fighters

^that, he never said that
and 17 in kinder garden?.. nope, not everyone is as special as you
and how old are you? a 40 year old virgin still unable to get into college, still failing everything?
dont get angry, go suck your bottle :bottle:

This thread is complete bull**** made up by the poster based on **** they read and their opinion. If there was any truth to this there would have been proof. Jones would have imbarrassed all three of them at the time. No doubt.

Proof? James Toney vs. Roy Jones Jr. , circa 1994. Thanks, I'm done.

Embarrassed.

calzaghe said in 2000 "i will never fight roy jones. he is too good for me. i would rather stay in wales and defend my bogus wbo title against soft opposition than get beat up by roy. only way i will ever fight him if he's 40 and totally shot. then i might have a chance"

what a legend

Funny thread.

This thread is complete bull**** made up by the poster based on **** they read and their opinion. If there was any truth to this there would have been proof. Jones would have imbarrassed all three of them at the time. No doubt.

Proof? James Toney vs. Roy Jones Jr. , circa 1994. Thanks, I'm done.

Woulda shoulda coulda.

Didnt.

Embarrassed.

Yea, honest misteak. LOL

calzaghe said in 2000 "i will never fight roy jones. he is too good for me. i would rather stay in wales and defend my bogus wbo title against soft opposition than get beat up by roy. only way i will ever fight him if he's 40 and totally shot. then i might have a chance"

what a legend

Roy said in 2000 "I will never fight Dariusz. I'm the p4p #1, baby. Why should I have to fight the best to prove I'm the best? I would rather stay in America and defend my paper/non-linear titles against soft opposition than risk it all against Dariusz. The only way i will ever fight him if he's 40 and totally shot, by which point there'll be no interest in the fight anyway."

L.E.G.E.N.D.

i would have loved to shut all the critics if roy would have beat all these guys!!

why even have a discussion with British fighter fans..Those british fighters are jokes, and horrible. The prince, hatton, etc..etc.. They all only look good versus other brits, fighters, or average us fighters, or old us fighters...

Nobody gives British fighters any credit because their jokes when it comes to American fighters. Come on, does anyone really think Calazaghe could be jones, or Hopkins when they where in their 20's. Please.

RJJ would beat all them guys back in the day..everyone knows that,
im gona look for a Calslappy interview in the summer of 03 where he says sumat like roy is superhuman..roys unbeatable i dont fancy my chances against him..id rather fight hopkins.
the interview was on boxing news weekly..il post full interview later

RJJ would beat all them guys back in the day..everyone knows that,
im gona look for a Calslappy interview in the summer of 03 where he says sumat like roy is superhuman..roys unbeatable i dont fancy my chances against him..id rather fight hopkins.
the interview was on boxing news weekly..il post full interview later

That's the one i've been looking for. I read that before, but did'nt know who recorded it. Please post it if you can find it. I've always held strong on Calzaghe saying that but people thought i was nuts or something when i mentioned it. The fact is that Jones was coming off of a win against a heavyweight and Calzaghe was probably a bit awestruck and maybe even intimidated. Roy did look pretty much unbeatable at the time, no doubt about that.

he got beat at the end of his career so what, all fighters do, do you honestly believe that they would have beat Roy at 168, you are crazy, And talkin bout respective peaks, Roy dominates Cal***gie, Eubank, Collins, and who ever else when he was at 168, Cal***gie nneds to stop ducking Lacy and fight, who has he fought? and he seems to have allot of respect, Roy may not be the Ryo of old now but at 168 he was unstoppable and u kno it.

LOL. Sorry for the late bump, I'm about 4 years too late but this one made me laugh.