View Full Version : Riddick Bowe ducked Lewis: for the final time


General Zod
03-25-2010, 08:29 AM
Part 1:
"While he was incarcerated, the WBC ordered a title eliminator between No. 1 ranked Razor Ruddock and No. 2 ranked Riddick Bowe, which was accepted by both in writing. After making such commitment, Bowe decided to pull out of the agreement and instead fight Pierre Coetzer of South Africa. The WBC then ordered the eliminator to be between Ruddock and No. 3 ranked Lennox Lewis, with the winner to be the official challenger for the world championship; Lewis won the fight. Main Events, who had the promotional rights to Holyfield, informed the WBC that Holyfield would not fight Lewis because he did not have a marketable name, but would fight Bowe instead. The Holyfield vs Bowe fight was authorized by the WBC with the condition that the winner fight Lewis. Bowe won the title, but instead of honoring his written agreement to fight Lewis, he refused to pay the WBC sanctioning fee and threw the championship belt into a London waste basket.
http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/wbc10-7.htm
Part 2:
If Bowe won and then failed to meet the council's conditions, the W.B.C. would install the Lewis-Ruddock winner as its champion. "The W.B.C. will recognize the winner of the Oct. 31 fight as the W.B.C. champion of the world if the winner on Nov. 13 doesn't fight him," Sulaiman said.

Sulaiman said that both Holyfield and Bowe had agreed in writing to defend the crown against the Lewis-Ruddock winner, but that Bowe was having second thoughts. Americans Holyfield and Bowe fight for the world title at the Mirage in Las Vegas, Nev., on Nov. 13.
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/28/sports/sports-people-boxing-bowe-may-win-but-may-not-be-champ.html?pagewanted=1
Part 3
The first fight offer:
Rock Newman initial offer to Lewis was a 90/10 split
It was Maloney who offered Bowe a 75/25 split in Bowes favour, which Newman rejected.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19921127&id=8G8VAAAAIBAJ&sjid=fuoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6794,6164845
Part 4
The second fight offer:
The terms were that Lewis had to Vacate his belt:
That offer last February, rejected by Lewis' financial advisers, was for a reported $10 million, but came with the addendum that Lewis must first relinquish his WBC belt.
Lewis had give $5M of his purse to Duva:
But the biggest stumbling block in reaching an agreement remains Duva, who has a three-fight option on Bowe, giving him a percentage of his pay-per-view earnings.

"I don't owe Dan Duva anything," Newman said. "I'm giving his guy [Lewis] $12 million, and they can divide it up any way they like. But he's not also going to dip into Bowe's pot at the same time. But if I were Lewis, I'd take this offer in a New York minute."
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1993-05-14/sports/1993134195_1_lewis-newman-dan-duva

A person familiar with the talks, however, said that Newman's offer was not quite what it seemed. One condition of the proposal, the person said, is that Dan Duva, Lewis's promoter, surrender his options to participate in Bowe's next three fights. Duva's share in a Bowe-Lewis fight, about $5 million, would have to come from Lewis's purse, not from Newman's.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/10/sports/boxing-lewis-camp-says-bring-on-10-million-offer.html?pagewanted=1

And there you have it.

Sugarj
03-25-2010, 08:38 AM
Whether the politics is right or wrong doesn't really matter. Who would honestly favour the Lewis who got outboxed by Bruno and later KO'd by McCall over the Bowe that beat Holyfield?

Lennox peaked in the late 90s, in 1992/93 Bowe was clearly the best heavyweight in the world.

The_Demon
03-25-2010, 08:43 AM
some people just dont get it TS

lewis > bowe

General Zod
03-25-2010, 08:45 AM
some people just dont get it TS

lewis > bowe
I agree.
Bowe had the skills and the trainer (Futch), but just not the confidence to take the fight, at the end of the day Lewis will always be ranked higher than Bowe.

Sugarj
03-25-2010, 01:06 PM
Yes Lennox will go down with the better legacy. I just dont see him winning the Bowe fight.

Never mind, its all in the past, I'm a fan of them both so hell its just interesting to speculate.

General Zod
03-25-2010, 01:10 PM
Yes Lennox will go down with the better legacy. I just dont see him winning the Bowe fight.

Never mind, its all in the past, I'm a fan of them both so hell its just interesting to speculate.

Bowe was a great fighter, he could slip punches, great jab and best of all he could fight on the inside, which is a lost art this days. Shame his prime lasted for about one fight, that Bowe who fought Holyfield I, I would give a chance against anyone. Futch is an amazing trainer as well

Bowe-Tyson, know that would of been a fight

CarlosG815
03-25-2010, 04:21 PM
Honestly, nobody really even cares about Lennox Lewis, except for you.

Why is it so important for you to convince everybody here to share the same love for Lewis that you do?

Shazam!
03-25-2010, 04:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z7wFR8dJYg (1988 Olympic Final)

The first round is fairly even with Lewis landing a telling right hook 10 seconds to go. Bowe is then called for headbutting and a few seconds later Lewis lands a big overhand right just before the bell to edge the round.

The commentator says that 'both men can punch, which means anything can happen. But Lewis has more technical variety'.

Lewis's corner obviously has a chat with him and he comes out in the second round straight for Bowe, smothering him against the ropes with big shots. Bowe is given a standing count. Lewis then goes on the offensive again and the commentators remark that Bowe needs to get his act together soon.

Lewis lands a huge right hand, the referee gives Bowe his second count and then stops the fight in order to prevent serious damage.

Result: Lennox Lewis via KO (Round 2)

Sugarj
03-25-2010, 07:29 PM
Hi Hellboy,

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugarj
Yes Lennox will go down with the better legacy. I just dont see him winning the Bowe fight.

Never mind, its all in the past, I'm a fan of them both so hell its just interesting to speculate.

Bowe was a great fighter, he could slip punches, great jab and best of all he could fight on the inside, which is a lost art this days. Shame his prime lasted for about one fight, that Bowe who fought Holyfield I, I would give a chance against anyone. Futch is an amazing trainer as well

Bowe-Tyson, know that would of been a fight



Yes totally agree with you there in both cases. 88 Tyson vs 92 Bowe......hell tough fight to pick there.

True Guru
03-25-2010, 09:32 PM
If it was the other way around Lewis would be a laughing stock,Bowes ducking was disgraceful.
Bowe didnt share the confidence in himself that a few people on here do otherwise he wouldnt have ducked Lewis.

mickey malone
03-25-2010, 11:57 PM
Of course Bowe ducked Lewis.. Look at the facts:-

1. As a contender, Lewis wasn't in a position to price himself out of it..
2. Bowe refused to fight for the WBC

When Lewis first appeared on the scene, he made a statement that it had always been his ambition to win every major title in Boxing.. At 18 he was outscored in the LA Olympic quarter finals by Tyrell Biggs, so waited another 4 years to win it in Seoul.. He'd already won the world amateur championship in 1983, so it was Job-Done at amateur level..

As a pro, he systematicaly won the British, European and Commonwealth titles, thus putting him in top contention for a world title shot.. Lewis had done it by the book, and in my opinion, Bowe was already looking for a way out, so once the likes of Duva, Sulaiman, Newman and Maloney started quoting their share, it gave Bowe the perfect opportunity.. It also created a way back in for Don King, who quickly resuscitated Tony Tucker as Lewis's first defense..

Let's face it, as undisputed champion, Bowe had more rights than Lewis which included, deciding which belts to defend and which belts to throw away, and knowing he'd easily hold on to his other belt(s) fighting Ferguson and Dokes, he gave up the WBC title..
I don't suppose Lewis wanted to be handed a belt out of the bin, but what choice did he have?.. The McCall KO was a blessing in disguise, because it actually gave Lewis the opportunity to win his title in the ring for a change..

Despite lacking in ambition and dedication, things worked out perfectly for Bowe too.. He was allowed to carry on eating, and didn't have to train particularly hard for paydays against Ferguson and Dokes.. Furthermore, he got all the acolade for beating a prime Holyfield in the only 2 fights he ever got in shape for, the 2 fights that totally burned him out!.. Then Lewis gets the blame for ducking them both and fighting bums, this inspite of being totally frozen out..

If Bowe beat a prime Holyfield, then I'd say he may well have beaten Lewis in 93, but he didn't want the fight, and that is clearly obvious.. On every single professional write-up i've ever seen, it clearly states - "Bowe refused to fight him."

oaklandstephen
03-26-2010, 04:31 AM
Whether the politics is right or wrong doesn't really matter. Who would honestly favour the Lewis who got outboxed by Bruno and later KO'd by McCall over the Bowe that beat Holyfield?

Lennox peaked in the late 90s, in 1992/93 Bowe was clearly the best heavyweight in the world.

u do know that lewis ko'd bruno in that fight . correct?

Sugarj
03-26-2010, 06:19 AM
Yes Oakland, but Lennox ate Bruno's workman like jab for 5 and a half rounds. Imagine what damage Bowe's faster jab would have done. Plus Bowe's chin was much better than Frank's, so cant see Lennox getting a from behind KO.

The point I was making was simply that in 1993 Lewis was a bit green, not quite at his peak. The 1997 Lewis wouldn't have been outboxed by Bruno or likely knocked out by the early 90s McCall. But sadly Bowe was very in decline by then.

Clegg
03-26-2010, 08:48 AM
Whether the politics is right or wrong doesn't really matter. Who would honestly favour the Lewis who got outboxed by Bruno and later KO'd by McCall over the Bowe that beat Holyfield?

Lennox peaked in the late 90s, in 1992/93 Bowe was clearly the best heavyweight in the world.

Exactly, who cares if you duck people, as long as you can beat them in a fantasty matchup:banghead:

True Guru
03-26-2010, 10:54 AM
Yes Oakland, but Lennox ate Bruno's workman like jab for 5 and a half rounds. Imagine what damage Bowe's faster jab would have done. Plus Bowe's chin was much better than Frank's, so cant see Lennox getting a from behind KO.


So why did Bowe duck him then?
If Bowe was better and would have beat him why not face him?

Ziggy Stardust
03-26-2010, 10:58 AM
I personally never thought Bowe was all that and a bag of chips. To be honest, I've never seen a fighter get more mileage off of one fight the way Bowe does off of the first Holyfield fight. I'm sorry but one great fight does not an ATG fighter make.

Poet

Sugarj
03-26-2010, 01:26 PM
Hi Clegg, Hi Elephant man. Its true fantasy matchups are just that. We'll never really know.

Maybe Bowe did see Lennox as a tough nights work and he wanted an easier ride as champion. Lewis's suspect chin hadn't yet been exposed by McCall. Maybe Bowe did still have some demons from the Olympic final. Maybe as Sonnyboyx had said on many occasion Lewis was demanding too high a purse with options.........I dont know, there was so much bandied round the papers at the time its difficult to know the truth.

My head to head in 1993 was based on both fighters form at the time. No two ways about it, Bowe was showing better form against better opposition.

And hi Poet, yep.....Bowe does seem to get quite an accolade from the first Holyfield fight. I guess its because Evander looked so good that night too. But Bowe did look pretty good in the return, when losing a very close decision. No one can argue with the result of their third fight either even if Bowe's form wasn't quite as good as it was.

Equinox
03-26-2010, 01:34 PM
Bowe ducked alot of peoples and thats nothing to argue against but hes still a bad ass.