View Full Version : Nicolay Valuev the Yao Ming of boxing ....


hectari
05-29-2005, 06:39 PM
I think if they actually bring this guy to AMERICA to fight he could get alot of commericals and offers and help bring some needed exposure to boxing look at yao ming for the NBA and the endorsements he gets for being a freak of nature with a killer jumpshot! Since Mike Tyson is past his prime maybe this guy can fill the void. I can already see him doing a commerical with mini me you have to admit a freak of nature boxer is very marketable?

Nicolay Valuev bad or good for boxing? oh ya and how come his knockout ratio is lower then vitali klitchko I would be expecting this guy laying guys out with one straight punch look at his fists.

joeboxer
05-29-2005, 06:41 PM
Your totally right. he is great for boxing. he could bring lots of exposure.

the guy that can beat him would be even greater, and even better for boxing though. :D

hectari
05-29-2005, 06:42 PM
Your totally right. he is great for boxing. he could bring lots of exposure.

the guy that can beat him would be even greater, and even better for boxing though. :D


^true or he could be another primo carnera.

joeboxer
05-29-2005, 06:44 PM
^true or he could be another primo carnera.

Never heard of this Primo person? :(

hectari
05-29-2005, 06:47 PM
http://www.sports.nd.edu/exhibits/winkexhibit/Carnera.710-5-84.jpg
^6 feet 6 inches tall boxer he got knocked out by joe louis he was hyped by the mafia to take over boxing. they say he was closer to 6 feet 9 inches.

http://www.comune.torino.it/archiviostorico/mostre/antologia_immagini_2004/img/gdp-sport-05.jpg

http://www.heavyweightcollectibles.com/Photos14.jpg

http://historytogo.utah.gov/a_Italians_small.jpg

joeboxer
05-29-2005, 06:51 PM
Damn that's crazy.

Valuev might not be the very best, but he's not joke. A top 10 fighter at least, I'd say top 4

Slipx
05-29-2005, 07:05 PM
i just hope hes practicing,maybe having some non-public fights or something with US rules,so he doesnt push ruiz down or hit him behind the head

BrooklynBomber
05-29-2005, 08:10 PM
Only one correction here. As far as I remember Cornera got ko'ed by Max Baer not Joe Louis. He got dropped like 5 times in his fight against Baer.

tino
05-29-2005, 08:16 PM
i saw one valuev fight . he does jab jab right cross . he was rocked by gerard nobles who is a small HW who doesnt hit that hard , and nobles was DQ by a biased referee .

he is big and his weight alone makes him dangerous but i think any decent HW , and especially a small and agressive one ala brewster or tyson would murder him.

he doenst need to come to america. he is makin good money in germany , he is a star , why start all over again in another country ? USA arent the center of the world .

jpboxer3
05-29-2005, 08:16 PM
I just hope he aint no Jameel McCline,where he looks strong the first few rounds,than tires out to the point of exhaustion by the middle rounds.I've seen his fights where he scores a KO early,and he does have good power for a fighter of his height.The question is,can he last and be effective in the later rounds,against a fighter like uhhh,Chris Byrd.I hope he gets title shot soon,he'd bring a breath of fresh air to the heavyweight division,especially if it's a win against Ruiz.

tino
05-29-2005, 08:21 PM
boxing doent need freaks , this aint no K1 or wrestling .

SuckaPunch
05-29-2005, 08:39 PM
Valuev would bring exposure to boxing because he looks like a monster, literally.

tino
05-29-2005, 08:41 PM
Valuev would bring exposure to boxing because he looks like a monster, literally.

again , dont you find this kind of exposure unhealthy to boxing at medium term ?

joeboxer
05-29-2005, 08:43 PM
again , dont you find this kind of exposure unhealthy to boxing at medium term ?


if you are also Michael Whittman I wish that you would post as him more.

he's much cooler than you.

neils7147933
05-29-2005, 08:45 PM
Yao Ming starts center for a playoff team and is one of the franchise players.

Valuev is not anywhere near his level in terms of talent in his sport. The only way Valuev is marketable is if he pulls off a major upset of a recognized fantastic champion (of which none exist right now).

And anyone who has seen Valuev fight knows that 1) this isn't likely and 2) even if it happened, it would be a fluke accompanied by unfair media hype.

Valuev is not Yao Ming; he's more like Manute Bol or Gheorghe Muresan...

leff
05-29-2005, 08:46 PM
Valuev truly is a russian bear he even got the fur.

dont know off what he is capable off he is a huge ? in my mind

tino
05-29-2005, 08:48 PM
if you are also Michael Whittman I wish that you would post as him more.

he's much cooler than you.

michael whittman ? who is that ?

and why is he much cooler than i am ?

joeboxer
05-29-2005, 08:49 PM
Valuev would bring exposure to boxing because he looks like a monster, literally.


Valuev vs Manny Pac.

That's a pay per view worth watching.

joeboxer
05-29-2005, 08:50 PM
michael whittman ? who is that ?

and why is he much cooler than i am ?


he's another European dude,

and he flames on people way better than you do.

he wouldn't just ask me some **** questions.

he would have let me have it right there.

tino
05-29-2005, 08:52 PM
he's another European dude,

and he flames on people way better than you do.

he wouldn't just ask me some **** questions.

he would have let me have it right there.

i never flame on people .

and i think youre looking for trouble .

you wont find it with me .

joeboxer
05-29-2005, 08:54 PM
i never flame on people .

and i think youre looking for trouble .

you wont find it with me .


not looking for trouble. :(

just Michael Whittman.

SuckaPunch
05-29-2005, 09:22 PM
again , dont you find this kind of exposure unhealthy to boxing at medium term ?

No, it would be healthy to boxing. Just think of it like a movie-like experience where David has to fight Goliath, a James Toney fighting a Valuev, or Clash of the Titans, a Klitschko fighting a Valuev. Dude, where's ur creativity? Valuev would make a perfect villain in eyes of boxing fans.

neils7147933
05-29-2005, 09:37 PM
No, it would be healthy to boxing. Just think of it like a movie-like experience where David has to fight Goliath, a James Toney fighting a Valuev, or Clash of the Titans, a Klitschko fighting a Valuev. Dude, where's ur creativity? Valuev would make a perfect villain in eyes of boxing fans.
But valuev isn't good enough to be an ambassador to boxing. I can't believe people who post on an Internet boxing forum, who obviously watch good boxing quite often, can watch Valuev and think he could hang with anyone ranked in the Top 10 of any of the big 4 alphabet organizations...

SuckaPunch
05-29-2005, 09:48 PM
But valuev isn't good enough to be an ambassador to boxing. I can't believe people who post on an Internet boxing forum, who obviously watch good boxing quite often, can watch Valuev and think he could hang with anyone ranked in the Top 10 of any of the big 4 alphabet organizations...

I've seen three of his fights and I think he can hang with the Top 10 heavyweights of any of the big 4 alphabet orgs. I didn't say he would dominate but he would be a worthy contender. I hope Valuev gets some more exposure for him to come to America to see what he's really capable of. I guess there's really no definitive way to tell if he can or cannot hang with the big boys until we see him fight.

hectari
05-29-2005, 10:17 PM
Yao Ming starts center for a playoff team and is one of the franchise players.

Valuev is not anywhere near his level in terms of talent in his sport. The only way Valuev is marketable is if he pulls off a major upset of a recognized fantastic champion (of which none exist right now).

And anyone who has seen Valuev fight knows that 1) this isn't likely and 2) even if it happened, it would be a fluke accompanied by unfair media hype.

Valuev is not Yao Ming; he's more like Manute Bol or Gheorghe Muresan...

I think you are on another subject I am talking about appeal here not talent.

Grimgash
05-30-2005, 01:36 AM
I mentioned this before, Valuev is quite possibly the ugliest man on the planet...you can't really endorse someone like that, can you imagine waking up to eat a bowl of cereal with him on the cover? Or turning on your T.V. seeing him do a Nair comercial? To be honest what boxing needs is great fighters, and namely great heavyweight fighters. It needs to get rid of all the old guys who's careers are declining and open up a new wave of prospects who deserve a chance to be in the spot light, underexposure of good young fighters and over exposure of old fighters who want the big money is the downfall here. Another downfall is styles which is probabley the hardest thing to convince a "casual" fan to like. Casual fans like the corrales castillo fight and the few fights like them. I'm not saying it was bad i was very entertained but.....I also respect the ability of a technician picking apart a brawler. One final comment before i make my decision on Valuev. The boxing industry needs to get rid of PPV fights of heavyweights with glass chins. The reason Boxing PPV for hwt. anyhow is declining is the fact that noone wants to pay 60$ to see a guy get knocked out in 30 seconds. FINAL POINT.... Valuev will only be good for boxing if he becomes a dominate force in boxing, who cares how big he is, if a guy can't win big fights noone will watch him.......unless his names Mike Tyson because people still love the old Mike......