View Full Version : Anderson Silva vs Bones Jones


K-Yo
03-24-2010, 05:51 AM
Who you got?

If Jones gets him down I see it going bad for Silva.

American_Ninja
03-24-2010, 11:11 AM
The kid is too raw right now. Silva would destroy him.

KESSLER
03-24-2010, 11:13 AM
I really like Bones, but I don't think he's ready for Silva.

-Swizzy-
03-24-2010, 02:12 PM
I got Jones. Lesser fighters have dominated Silva on the ground... Jones would man-handle Silva on the ground.

but this fight isn't gonna happen until at least 2012.

K-Yo
03-24-2010, 02:47 PM
Yea, can't see Anderson destroying Jones and besides I think Silva's debut at LHW flattered him, Dana knew he was going to have an easy nights work with Forrest.

I think Jones at present could hang with a Lyoto or Shogun, I'm not saying he would beat them but he wouldn't be out of place in the cage with them. IMO he beats Rampage, Rashad, Forrest, Thiago Silva out of the current crop.

His potential is scary, with his freakish physique it makes it hard to defend a takedown attempt. If Rogerio gets past Griffin then I think that would be a good fight to make for later this year.

Jones Vs Lil Nog & the winner getting a shot at the title.

kaps
03-24-2010, 02:49 PM
He's not ready yet...

ƒallenloki
03-24-2010, 03:09 PM
In a few years Jones could take it... As for now, the kid is too raw.

As dynamic as his stand-up game is, he leaves way too many openings to be countered. He's able to get away with it because most guys in MMA have no ability in countering.

Anderson would make him pay every time

i3raintwo
03-24-2010, 03:11 PM
Jones is definitely not ready. I also think he'd fight a more cautious game and Silva would be all over that fighting his fight.

GSP was dominating when he first came to the UFC and his first fight with Hughes he admitted how didn't perform as well as he could have and look at him now. I don't care what any of the fighters say to build self confidence, fighting the champ is some serious stress unless you're and arrogant Frank Mir. Jones can be championship material but not yet.

Connecting topic... Does anyone else here think Vera performance in LHW is lacking?

StillUnknown
03-24-2010, 04:46 PM
he's not quite ready for the best of the best

he's only 22, he's not going anywhere.

let him grow, dont rush him and you have a potential legend in the making

-Swizzy-
03-24-2010, 04:57 PM
Connecting topic... Does anyone else here think Vera performance in LHW is lacking?

I don't think its lacking, I think the competition at LHW is just better. There is just way more skill in that division than HW. I think the true Vera is being seen right now. He just looked really good against less skilled fighters... and yes, that includes Mir.

Lakas
03-24-2010, 05:02 PM
Its mma guys anything can happen. Jones does have the tools to win.



I wouldnt bet too much on Silva. Bones Jones is the real deal and im sure Silva doesnt wanna **** with him any time soon

doomrider7
03-25-2010, 10:26 AM
Yea, can't see Anderson destroying Jones and besides I think Silva's debut at LHW flattered him, Dana knew he was going to have an easy nights work with Forrest.

I think Jones at present could hang with a Lyoto or Shogun, I'm not saying he would beat them but he wouldn't be out of place in the cage with them. IMO he beats Rampage, Rashad, Forrest, Thiago Silva out of the current crop.

His potential is scary, with his freakish physique it makes it hard to defend a takedown attempt. If Rogerio gets past Griffin then I think that would be a good fight to make for later this year.

Jones Vs Lil Nog & the winner getting a shot at the title.
You...Make a good point on the fighters. He would be able to hang with Lyoto and Shogun, not beat them perhaps but he wouldn't look out of place. Rashad and Rampage he'd be able to take because he's stronger, faster, and more athletic(you could make an arguement for them being somewhat better wrestler, but when you have advantages in spreed, strengthm and athleticism you can easily compensate), Forrest would be a more supped up version of Bonnar whom Jones would likely finish at this point and Thiago doesn't have TDD good enought to avoid the takedowns. Of the guys you mentioned Machida would give him the most trouble since he's such an excellent striker and has incredible balance and power from the clinch making him almost impossible to toss or takedown.

American_Ninja
03-25-2010, 01:12 PM
I got Jones. Lesser fighters have dominated Silva on the ground... Jones would man-handle Silva on the ground.

but this fight isn't gonna happen until at least 2012.


Name one fighter who has dominated Silva since he became the LHW champion. Are you kidding me?
I've seen Silva end fights on his back.

the traveler
03-25-2010, 03:55 PM
Bones is up and coming, but, man, tough matchup for Silva. I'd go with Silva, thouhg, just cause he's Silva. Put I can see Bones beating him.

-Swizzy-
03-25-2010, 04:05 PM
Name one fighter who has dominated Silva since he became the LHW champion. Are you kidding me?
I've seen Silva end fights on his back.

I think you meant MW champion. and why only mention AFTER he was MW champ. His ground skills being improved is only in theory. He didn't show any improvement against Henderson or anyone else when he was being taken down.

anyways, heres the fight that has me convinced Silva would lose to Jones.... keep in mind when watching this, Takase is a natural Welterweight and isn't that great of a ground fighter.
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the traveler
03-25-2010, 04:51 PM
hahaha he picks a fight from nearly 7 years ago as proof that Silva would lose to Bones. hahaha

People never fail to amaze me with their stupidity.

-Swizzy-
03-25-2010, 05:57 PM
hahaha he picks a fight from nearly 7 years ago as proof that Silva would lose to Bones. hahaha

People never fail to amaze me with their stupidity.

he was 9-1 and 28 years old going into that fight. no excuses. he might not have been as smart, but he was physically superior at 28 then 35. Also, look who he lost to and the way he lost. A guy that is physically smaller than silva just handled him on the ground with ease.

wojosh6
03-25-2010, 07:21 PM
If this fight happened it better be at 205 cause if bones has to cut weight to 185 there would be nothing left on his frame.

the traveler
03-25-2010, 10:22 PM
he was 9-1 and 28 years old going into that fight. no excuses. he might not have been as smart, but he was physically superior at 28 then 35. Also, look who he lost to and the way he lost. A guy that is physically smaller than silva just handled him on the ground with ease.

I don't care who he lost to or the way he lost, you know why, because it was nearly 7 years ago, man. Are you really this dumb? Are you telling me that over 7 years that something cannot improve and is what it is today as it was 7 years ago? That is nearly impossible, especially when you are talking about martial arts, which is a sport were people grow due to increased knowledge.

His advantage in physicality now and then is a dumb argument because he didn't lose because he was out physicalled, he lost because he did not have as good of a knowledge of ground fighting then as he has now. The ground fighting that was displayed then was not a test of mainly physicality, as BJJ isn't, it was more a test of knowledge and skill of the art that was displayed in that fight.

Takase being smaller than Anderson in that fight means nothing. Anyone that knows the littlest amount about BJJ, which you obviously don't, would tell you that size doesn't have that much to do with the grappling. It's more knowledge of the art and proficiency in defense, angling.etc.

Silva was 9-1 going into the fight, but you cannot argue that he was as good then as he is now, for one, his knowledge of the game isn't as sharp as he it is now, and for two, he has fought and beaten WAY better competition since the fight than he did before the fight.



THAT FIGHT IS IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM A REPRESENTATION OF THE PRESENT DAY ANDERSON SILVA. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR DISPLAYING SUCH STUPIDITY.

-Swizzy-
03-25-2010, 11:34 PM
I don't care who he lost to or the way he lost, you know why, because it was nearly 7 years ago, man. Are you really this dumb? Are you telling me that over 7 years that something cannot improve and is what it is today as it was 7 years ago? That is nearly impossible, especially when you are talking about martial arts, which is a sport were people grow due to increased knowledge.

His advantage in physicality now and then is a dumb argument because he didn't lose because he was out physicalled, he lost because he did not have as good of a knowledge of ground fighting then as he has now. The ground fighting that was displayed then was not a test of mainly physicality, as BJJ isn't, it was more a test of knowledge and skill of the art that was displayed in that fight.

Takase being smaller than Anderson in that fight means nothing. Anyone that knows the littlest amount about BJJ, which you obviously don't, would tell you that size doesn't have that much to do with the grappling. It's more knowledge of the art and proficiency in defense, angling.etc.

Silva was 9-1 going into the fight, but you cannot argue that he was as good then as he is now, for one, his knowledge of the game isn't as sharp as he it is now, and for two, he has fought and beaten WAY better competition since the fight than he did before the fight.



THAT FIGHT IS IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM A REPRESENTATION OF THE PRESENT DAY ANDERSON SILVA. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR DISPLAYING SUCH STUPIDITY.

you are talking in opinions and little fact. its only in your imagination that Silva's ground game has really improved that much whereas I presented you with FACTUAL evidence. the stupidity lies with you. only children call others names especially those who so arrogantly think they are right when they really aren't.

the traveler
03-26-2010, 01:09 AM
lol how am I the stupid one? You're posting a video of a fight 7 years ago as proof that Silva would lose a fight to Jon Jones today. Yeah, I actually think his ground game can improve that much. 7 years is a ****ing long time. Plus he has been in fights with people with much better ground games than takase since that fight and he has not gotten embarassed like he did in that fight. I think that's more evidence than the bull**** you posted.

Factual evidence? Dummy, the only thing you showed was that Silva lost a fight 7 years ago to someone named Takase. Now if you want to read more into that and state that it somehow shows he would lose a hypothetical fight 7 years in the future you are stating opinion, not fact. Your level of reasoning is so low, man. You are ****ing stupid as hell. You're probably one of the dumbest cats I've run across on the internet.

Me calling you names isn't being childish because in your case it is absolutely merited. You are a dumbass of the highest level.

res
03-26-2010, 01:52 AM
You...Make a good point on the fighters. He would be able to hang with Lyoto and Shogun, not beat them perhaps but he wouldn't look out of place. Rashad and Rampage he'd be able to take because he's stronger, faster, and more athletic(you could make an arguement for them being somewhat better wrestler, but when you have advantages in spreed, strengthm and athleticism you can easily compensate), Forrest would be a more supped up version of Bonnar whom Jones would likely finish at this point and Thiago doesn't have TDD good enought to avoid the takedowns. Of the guys you mentioned Machida would give him the most trouble since he's such an excellent striker and has incredible balance and power from the clinch making him almost impossible to toss or takedown.

Jones is stronger than Rampage?



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-Swizzy-
03-26-2010, 01:55 AM
lol how am I the stupid one? You're posting a video of a fight 7 years ago as proof that Silva would lose a fight to Jon Jones today. Yeah, I actually think his ground game can improve that much. 7 years is a ****ing long time. Plus he has been in fights with people with much better ground games than takase since that fight and he has not gotten embarassed like he did in that fight. I think that's more evidence than the bull**** you posted.

Factual evidence? Dummy, the only thing you showed was that Silva lost a fight 7 years ago to someone named Takase. Now if you want to read more into that and state that it somehow shows he would lose a hypothetical fight 7 years in the future you are stating opinion, not fact. Your level of reasoning is so low, man. You are ****ing stupid as hell. You're probably one of the dumbest cats I've run across on the internet.

Me calling you names isn't being childish because in your case it is absolutely merited. You are a dumbass of the highest level.

the fact that you are crying over something so small shows that you have personal issues. most likely a big inferiority complex. there is no way that you are getting any action with a post like that. watching all those people with girls has you sexually frustrated.

realize, I'm not the reason for your problems nor is your post in any way gonna solve your problems.

the traveler
03-26-2010, 02:30 AM
I'm not crying at all, I just wanted to point out how much of an idiot that you are. Funny you call me a child because I called you a dumbass, which you are, and then you post something as stupid as this: "there is no way that you are getting any action with a post like that. watching all those people with girls has you sexually frustrated.
"

lol right, I'm not getting any action because I can think logically and you can't? I'm not getting any action because I exposed how weak your argument is?

the traveler
03-26-2010, 02:31 AM
Jones is stronger than Rampage?



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Again, that was a long as ****ing time ago, when Rampage was of peak strength. People make me laugh.

Rampage picked a guy up 6 years ago and slammed him on the ground. Wow, he must be stronger than some guy 6 years in the future.

What the hell?

-Swizzy-
03-26-2010, 02:51 AM
I'm not crying at all, I just wanted to point out how much of an idiot that you are. Funny you call me a child because I called you a dumbass, which you are, and then you post something as stupid as this: "there is no way that you are getting any action with a post like that. watching all those people with girls has you sexually frustrated.
"

lol right, I'm not getting any action because I can think logically and you can't? I'm not getting any action because I exposed how weak your argument is?

its ok man... an escort can love you just as much as any other woman.

the traveler
03-26-2010, 03:05 AM
Not as much as your mother can. Cause if she sucks literally as much as you do figuratively , she can beat out any ****star or escort.

Lol, though. We go from talking about the topic to talking about escorts. Sure shows how badly your pathetic argument got torn to shreds.

Virgil Caine
03-26-2010, 05:34 AM
I wouldn't put it passed Jones. I think Silva has to be considered a heavy favorite, but Jones is one of those guys who's potential has yet to be fully tapped. He's been blowing through people, breaking people, as of late. I would still favor the top guys over him, Silva, Shogun, and maybe Machida (although Machida's style matchup would be interesting. It would make an interesting mix that is.)

I also wouldn't be shocked if Silva kayoed him early, although deep down I really wouldn't expect Silva to have an easy night by any means.

skullduggery
03-26-2010, 10:55 AM
jones aint ready.. sivla beats him in one just like everyone else at this point.

-Swizzy-
03-26-2010, 12:01 PM
Not as much as your mother can. Cause if she sucks literally as much as you do figuratively , she can beat out any ****star or escort.

Lol, though. We go from talking about the topic to talking about escorts. Sure shows how badly your pathetic argument got torn to shreds.

you didn't touch my argument at all. your argument relies on fantasy and calling people names. its your narrow view or nothing according to you. you must really have very few friends or none at all with that kind of low grade attitude.

F l i c k e r
03-26-2010, 02:30 PM
Why do people think if Anderson Silva goes to the ground he will be in trouble? Please, tell me why? Out of all of Silva's losses how many come from being LnP'd? His losses all come from being submitted by guys who do bjj or judo. What part of that is greco-roman, freestyle, shoot, or catch wrestling? NONE.

With that said, Jon Jones isn't ready for someone like Anderson Silva yet. He is getting close fast! But he still needs some experience before getting in there with the only mma fighter who has hand technique on par to top boxers. The only one of two guys in the UFC who actually use muay thai right.

Jon Jones an beat alot of guys right now but to throw him in there with the top dogs, not just yet. Machida, Silva, Fedor, Brock.... not just yet.

Anyone else and Jones gives them hell.

the traveler
03-26-2010, 03:13 PM
you didn't touch my argument at all. your argument relies on fantasy and calling people names. its your narrow view or nothing according to you. you must really have very few friends or none at all with that kind of low grade attitude.

I think I tore your argument to shreads, easily. You're either in total denial, or are too stupid to comprehend the lack of logic behind your argument and the subsequent reasoning that I displayed in ripping apart your first gradish argument.

I think it's the latter. You're too stupid to comprehend how silly posting something 7 years in the past as evidence of present status is. I think anyone with an IQ higher that 70 could tell you how stupid it is.

-Swizzy-
03-26-2010, 04:45 PM
I think I tore your argument to shreads, easily. You're either in total denial, or are too stupid to comprehend the lack of logic behind your argument and the subsequent reasoning that I displayed in ripping apart your first gradish argument.

I think it's the latter. You're too stupid to comprehend how silly posting something 7 years in the past as evidence of present status is. I think anyone with an IQ higher that 70 could tell you how stupid it is.

my argument had complete logic. you live in fantasy. Couture has been in MMA for over a decade now, and his kicking has not improved at all. Not everyone's fighting skills improve "automatically". Some just have it, and some don't. Silva doesn't have the natural strength to be considered a good ground fighter.

you winning the argument is a fantasy just like your point of view.

the traveler
03-26-2010, 09:19 PM
Couture's kicking has not improved, are you kidding? I don't follow Couture as much so I wouldn't know how much his kicking has changed, but to compare an element of the game as small as kicking compared to something as big as ground fighting is weak. Kicking is something that most people don't focus on as much, however, striking and ground fighting to a larger degree are much bigger areas of focus, so you would see a more marked improvement in that aspect.

For the last time, you took something 7 ****in years ago as a measure of present time. The fact that you don't know how stupid that is speaks to how low intelligence that you have. Since that fight, Silva switched camps, joined elite ground fighters, nog, gained a black belt in bjj and has fought and beaten ground fighters ten times better than Takase. He's also had about 20 fights since that fight. Yet, you want to point to something 7 years ago as a measure of who he is today. Your stupidity is stunning.


Ok, man, I'm done talking to you because there's no point. You cannot communicate with a retard because they can't comprehend anything you are saying anyway.

-Swizzy-
03-27-2010, 12:58 AM
Couture's kicking has not improved, are you kidding? I don't follow Couture as much so I wouldn't know how much his kicking has changed, but to compare an element of the game as small as kicking compared to something as big as ground fighting is weak. Kicking is something that most people don't focus on as much, however, striking and ground fighting to a larger degree are much bigger areas of focus, so you would see a more marked improvement in that aspect.

For the last time, you took something 7 ****in years ago as a measure of present time. The fact that you don't know how stupid that is speaks to how low intelligence that you have. Since that fight, Silva switched camps, joined elite ground fighters, nog, gained a black belt in bjj and has fought and beaten ground fighters ten times better than Takase. He's also had about 20 fights since that fight. Yet, you want to point to something 7 years ago as a measure of who he is today. Your stupidity is stunning.


Ok, man, I'm done talking to you because there's no point. You cannot communicate with a retard because they can't comprehend anything you are saying anyway.

I LOVE how you just make up **** and then present it as fact. I love that ****. You should write fictional tales. :alucard:

-Swizzy-
08-08-2010, 01:23 AM
I got Jones. Lesser fighters have dominated Silva on the ground... Jones would man-handle Silva on the ground.

but this fight isn't gonna happen until at least 2012.
Name one fighter who has dominated Silva since he became the LHW champion. Are you kidding me?
I've seen Silva end fights on his back.I think you meant MW champion. and why only mention AFTER he was MW champ. His ground skills being improved is only in theory. He didn't show any improvement against Henderson or anyone else when he was being taken down.

anyways, heres the fight that has me convinced Silva would lose to Jones.... keep in mind when watching this, Takase is a natural Welterweight and isn't that great of a ground fighter.
<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/m598kTc6LuA&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/m598kTc6LuA&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>hahaha he picks a fight from nearly 7 years ago as proof that Silva would lose to Bones. hahaha

People never fail to amaze me with their stupidity.he was 9-1 and 28 years old going into that fight. no excuses. he might not have been as smart, but he was physically superior at 28 then 35. Also, look who he lost to and the way he lost. A guy that is physically smaller than silva just handled him on the ground with ease.I don't care who he lost to or the way he lost, you know why, because it was nearly 7 years ago, man. Are you really this dumb? Are you telling me that over 7 years that something cannot improve and is what it is today as it was 7 years ago? That is nearly impossible, especially when you are talking about martial arts, which is a sport were people grow due to increased knowledge.

His advantage in physicality now and then is a dumb argument because he didn't lose because he was out physicalled, he lost because he did not have as good of a knowledge of ground fighting then as he has now. The ground fighting that was displayed then was not a test of mainly physicality, as BJJ isn't, it was more a test of knowledge and skill of the art that was displayed in that fight.

Takase being smaller than Anderson in that fight means nothing. Anyone that knows the littlest amount about BJJ, which you obviously don't, would tell you that size doesn't have that much to do with the grappling. It's more knowledge of the art and proficiency in defense, angling.etc.

Silva was 9-1 going into the fight, but you cannot argue that he was as good then as he is now, for one, his knowledge of the game isn't as sharp as he it is now, and for two, he has fought and beaten WAY better competition since the fight than he did before the fight.

THAT FIGHT IS IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM A REPRESENTATION OF THE PRESENT DAY ANDERSON SILVA. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR DISPLAYING SUCH STUPIDITY.you are talking in opinions and little fact. its only in your imagination that Silva's ground game has really improved that much whereas I presented you with FACTUAL evidence. the stupidity lies with you. only children call others names especially those who so arrogantly think they are right when they really aren't.lol how am I the stupid one? You're posting a video of a fight 7 years ago as proof that Silva would lose a fight to Jon Jones today. Yeah, I actually think his ground game can improve that much. 7 years is a ****ing long time. Plus he has been in fights with people with much better ground games than takase since that fight and he has not gotten embarassed like he did in that fight. I think that's more evidence than the bull**** you posted.

Factual evidence? Dummy, the only thing you showed was that Silva lost a fight 7 years ago to someone named Takase. Now if you want to read more into that and state that it somehow shows he would lose a hypothetical fight 7 years in the future you are stating opinion, not fact. Your level of reasoning is so low, man. You are ****ing stupid as hell. You're probably one of the dumbest cats I've run across on the internet.

Me calling you names isn't being childish because in your case it is absolutely merited. You are a dumbass of the highest level.
what?.....:dunce: