View Full Version : James Toney "I want Brock Lesnar"


Lakas
03-17-2010, 04:32 PM
Big Bad Brock is the last man Id like to see James Toney fight. The dude is HUGE!!!

http://www.tsn.ca/mma/story/?id=313993

If James Toney is trying to convince people that his signing with the UFC isn't a sideshow, his most recent interview may not do him any favours.

Toney, a former heavyweight champion in the world of boxing, had some choice words on who he would like to face in his octagon debut, which he shared with the crew at HDNet's Inside MMA.

"I want Brock Lesnar. I'm the heavyweight champion of the world versus the UFC champion. That'd be a hell of a match," stated Toney.

"Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, or whatever his name is. It doesn't matter. I'm not a sideshow. This is the real deal here," he added.

At 41-years-old, Toney has accumulated a boxing record of 72-6-3 with two no contests, but hasn't contended for a title since 2006. He now turns his focus to mixed martial arts where he seems to be enjoying his latest challenge.

"The training is hard, I love it," explained Toney. "I get off on hard things like that, the harder the better for me."

Despite his new found desire to compete in the UFC, Toney still feels passionately about boxing and is adamant that he deserves respect for all he has accomplished during his career in the ring.

"I'm a big fan of MMA, don't get me wrong, I've never said nothing less about the sport. But when you come disrespect the man who's 20 years deep and has won 12 world titles in six different weight divisions and say the MMA sport is better than boxing, you got to be kidding me."

While his signing with the UFC has been officially announced, there is no date or opponent in place yet for Toney.

Chadmack
03-17-2010, 04:36 PM
get in line :D i want to see Brock against the winner of Mir/Carwin first :D

Lakas
03-17-2010, 04:42 PM
get in line :D i want to see Brock against the winner of Mir/Carwin first :D

Yea he sure needs to get a resume before fighting the Champ ;)

Sandwich
03-20-2010, 04:18 AM
He picks a 270 pound wrestler? That would end very very badly.

the traveler
03-20-2010, 09:06 AM
Ok, now we officially know that Toney is stupid. ****, MMA fighters with years of training in ground fighting have problems not being taken down by this dude. How in the hell does Tony think he'd last more than 2 minutes against Lesnar? He's stupid

KESSLER
03-20-2010, 10:11 AM
Lesnar would absolutely demolish Toney.

Virgil Caine
03-20-2010, 01:59 PM
Toney was never a heavyweight champ. Unless the IBA counts now. (Or unless you count the time between him outpointing Ruiz and his drug test results coming back).

phallus
03-20-2010, 04:12 PM
damn, brock would lay on top of james and rape his ass

now that i think about it i wouldn't want to see james take a flush shot from big shane carwin either, one punch was enough to knock 260 lb manbearpig gonzaga out cold

The Underboss
03-20-2010, 04:24 PM
Toney has always been a delusional idiot just like RJJ.

gerryCFan
03-22-2010, 04:04 PM
Well said Steelfist. Lesnar is incredibly strong and will break him.

Lakas
03-22-2010, 06:18 PM
Ive always wanted a boxer to go into UFC but James ****ing Toney?? the man has 160 Power in a heavyweight body.


I dont like his chances at all in the ufc. Send a KO artist.


Hell why not the Klistckho brothers? They have kick boxing experience

the traveler
03-22-2010, 10:05 PM
I can now understand why Toney made this comment.

He's a fighter. Real fighters have no fear and instinctly don't back down from anything no matter the consequence.

phallus
03-22-2010, 11:32 PM
I can now understand why Toney made this comment.

He's a fighter. Real fighters have no fear and instinctly don't back down from anything no matter the consequence.

when the vanilla gorilla brock lesnar, a 285 lb silverback is on top of him, i guarantee james will be experiencing some fear

res
03-23-2010, 05:15 PM
Toney is light years ahead of the strikers in the UFC, but statements like this about a guy like Brock Lesnar who has no intention of striking with him make me wonder whether he understands at all what he is getting into.

D-MiZe
03-23-2010, 05:18 PM
Toney vs Kongo.

kaps
03-23-2010, 05:24 PM
Toney vs Kongo.

Ugh........

D-MiZe
03-23-2010, 05:25 PM
Ugh........

The best fight for him atm.

Konstantin
03-23-2010, 07:44 PM
Ive always wanted a boxer to go into UFC but James ****ing Toney?? the man has 160 Power in a heavyweight body.


I dont like his chances at all in the ufc. Send a KO artist.


Hell why not the Klistckho brothers? They have kick boxing experience

You dont need heavyweight power to knock guys out with those gloves. Toney is extremely accurate and fast. A couple shots in a combo would definitely hurt the majority of heavyweights.

Lakas
03-24-2010, 01:48 AM
You dont need heavyweight power to knock guys out with those gloves. Toney is extremely accurate and fast. A couple shots in a combo would definitely hurt the majority of heavyweights.

LuLz


But back to reality, When Toney gets taken to the ground its GAME OVER




Er should i say ... "LIGHTS OUT" :thumbsdow

snakey112
03-24-2010, 01:37 PM
lesnar brutalised frank mir, a 250 lb bjj expert, he'd ****ing rape toney

for his first fight I say give toney kimbo

Konstantin
03-24-2010, 02:26 PM
LuLz


But back to reality, When Toney gets taken to the ground its GAME OVER




Er should i say ... "LIGHTS OUT" :thumbsdow

You dont think Toney's punches are faster and more accurate than Lesnar, Carwin, Nog etc..?

Lakas
03-24-2010, 05:37 PM
You dont think Toney's punches are faster and more accurate than Lesnar, Carwin, Nog etc..?

Yea becuz thats what UFC and MIXED MARTIAL ARTS is all about. Look what Royce Gracie did to that boxer ... made him look silly.




Your just picking Toney cuz hes a boxer and this is a boxing web site. Sure i like toney but would be beat big bad brock? **** no

Konstantin
03-25-2010, 01:01 PM
Yea becuz thats what UFC and MIXED MARTIAL ARTS is all about. Look what Royce Gracie did to that boxer ... made him look silly.




Your just picking Toney cuz hes a boxer and this is a boxing web site. Sure i like toney but would be beat big bad brock? **** no

The only thing I was commenting on was when you said 160 power.

With his speed and accuracy he has the power to take out enough heavyweights if they decide to trade with him.

The Gully Gad
03-25-2010, 01:37 PM
Brock would smash Toney to pieces..Mi nar brock Fan but seriously Toney is at the tale end of what eva career him pick....He would get slamed mounted and theres fuk all the man could do bout it...

Lakas
03-25-2010, 04:29 PM
Brock would smash Toney to pieces..Mi nar brock Fan but seriously Toney is at the tale end of what eva career him pick....He would get slamed mounted and theres fuk all the man could do bout it...

You said it Gully.


The thing with MMA is you have to be a MIXED MARTIAL ARTIST to be successfull. That means having a bunch of tools in your arsenol. What does James Toney have? All he has is his fists and his defence. Wrestlers will jump all over that and exploit his flaws. Anyone who thinks James Toney will DOMINATE UFC better git their head checked. I hope James does well but seriously this is just a freak show in my opinion

Lakas
03-25-2010, 04:31 PM
The only thing I was commenting on was when you said 160 power.

With his speed and accuracy he has the power to take out enough heavyweights if they decide to trade with him.

Look at the last time a boxer tried throwing down in UFC. Guarentee this is exactly whats gonna happen to poor toney :nana:

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res
03-25-2010, 04:47 PM
Look at the last time a boxer tried throwing down in UFC. Guarentee this is exactly whats gonna happen to poor toney :nana:

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HAHAHA, I just looked this guy's career record up, he's 33-18


Here is the other Boxer they had in the early UFC.

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Anyway, your general point is correct, You can't land power shots on someone charging waist or knee level at you within a matter of less than a second, and once the grappler has you it's over if you don't know how to grapple.

Lakas
03-25-2010, 04:54 PM
HAHAHA, I just looked this guy's career record up, he's 33-18


Here is the other Boxer they had in the early UFC, a guy with a reputation for getting Koed in the first few seconds of his fights. LOL In addition to the one below i saw the same thing happen to this guy against some other no name fighter on MSG. You can here the announcers talking about whether it will go longer than 13 seconds.



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Anyway, your general point is correct, You can't land power shots on someone charging waist or knee level at you within a matter of less than a second, and once the grappler has you it's over if you don't know how to grapple.

Im not trying to bash james toney, he does have a PUNCHERS CHANCE. Just like any Jujitsu champion will have a chance in UFC if thats all they have in their arsenol.

James wont last too long IMO.

Konstantin
03-25-2010, 06:16 PM
Look at the last time a boxer tried throwing down in UFC. Guarentee this is exactly whats gonna happen to poor toney :nana:

How thick are you?? Maybe 3rd time will be the charm.

Not once did I ever say Toney would dominate or even win a single fight in the UFC. The only comment I made was that you were underrating his punching power.

Kakutogi-Gumi
03-25-2010, 11:49 PM
How thick are you?? Maybe 3rd time will be the charm.

Not once did I ever say Toney would dominate or even win a single fight in the UFC. The only comment I made was that you were underrating his punching power.

And You don't understand the mechanics of a natural shoot.

free wrestling lesson.

The target of a shoot isn't the waist. It's the knees.

You grab the knees, bring them close and everything else follow. By the time anything remotely touches the waist, the backward momentum has already taken hold and the drive forward is filled with bad intentions.

Konstantin
03-26-2010, 01:26 AM
Am I speaking a foreign language here?

Anybody out there understand what went on on my side of the convo?

res
03-26-2010, 02:59 AM
Am I speaking a foreign language here?

Anybody out there understand what went on on my side of the convo?

I got you, Toney is light years ahead of these guys as strikers.

Some members have enough sense to know that, but others think that because they look impressive striking each other ( Which you would only believe if you mostly watch MMA) that they can take on an elite level Boxer in striking.

Lakas
03-26-2010, 03:39 PM
Its funny how you guys think just because Toney is better at striking that he is going to walk all over EVERYONE.

Here is my arguement.

How is James Toney's Brazilian Jiu Jitsu compared to everyone else?
Does he know Judo?
Does he know Karate?
Does he know Kickboxing? .... and you DO know that any kick boxer would beat the living **** out of any BOXER?
Does he know Tae Kwon Do?


All James Toney has is BOXING. Thats it. Hell man look at all them kick boxers that go into ufc how have they done? Every single one of em get beat man.



If James fights Brock or even Frank Mir id bet ALL my points that Toney losses

alexbr
03-26-2010, 05:59 PM
I agree that boxing alone is not enough for a MMA fight.
I'm no fighter but I take bjj classes (being brazilian and all).
But this is one of the biggest BS i've read around here: ".... and you DO know that any kick boxer would beat the living **** out of any BOXER?"

Not only it's overly generic (any... any) but obviously said in a affensive manner. Get a grip.

For the record, I'd pick a great heavyweight champion over your generic kickboxer any day. (there you go... generic answer, we can do it too, you know)

RisAri0
03-26-2010, 07:18 PM
the promo on these 2 would get heated like a mofo tho

kaps
03-26-2010, 10:36 PM
I got you, Toney is light years ahead of these guys as strikers.

Some members have enough sense to know that, but others think that because they look impressive striking each other ( Which you would only believe if you mostly watch MMA) that they can take on an elite level Boxer in striking.

He's light years ahead of these guys in boxing. Striking uses many different weapons like kicks, elbows, knees, ect. Punches are only a small part of striking, you can actually hit people with things other than your fists in MMA....

mattyhatton
03-27-2010, 01:22 AM
Lesnar would waste him.

Left2theliver
03-27-2010, 03:58 AM
Lesnar could shoot a takedown a mile away and still catch Toney.

Toney is better at BOXING than a lot of the guys in MMA. Striking consists of knees, elbows, kicks, and utilizing the clinch. This is the one thing i notice about a lot fo boxers that come into the gym. Great footwork, great hands, and great head movement. But when they get in close they get locked up and eat plenty of knees. Not to mention the kicks really slow them down too.

Obviously, anyone who decides to throw hands with Toney is in danger, but someone like a prime cro cop who was an elite level K-1 striker would rip him apart with kicks. If a boxer tried getting in close like they do in boxing, it's asking to get locked up in a thai plum and rammed with knees.

Kakutogi-Gumi
04-14-2010, 06:49 AM
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American_Ninja
04-14-2010, 04:39 PM
http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/148460-1/Dryhumping_dog.gif (http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/148460-1/Dryhumping_dog.gif)

WTF?????? ^^^^LMAO

snakey112
04-14-2010, 08:04 PM
http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/148460-1/Dryhumping_dog.gif (http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/148460-1/Dryhumping_dog.gif)

WTF?????? ^^^^LMAO

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/3/bertstare.jpg

sleazyfellow
04-15-2010, 02:59 AM
Yea he sure needs to get a resume before fighting the Champ ;)

Just like the champ had a resume before getting the title? what was it? 3-1 then he became champ...that was a ****ing joke.

res
04-15-2010, 03:17 PM
Does he know Kickboxing? .... and you DO know that any kick boxer would beat the living **** out of any BOXER?


Well, this quote is divorced from reality.

Former heavyweight Francois Botha who went pro 20 years ago, and who was never that great a fighter, defeated the much younger Thai Boxer and K1 champ Kaoklai Kaennorsing . He also defeated Jerome Le Banner, a legend in the sport that has wins over guys like Remy Bojansky, Ernesto Hoost and Mark Hunt (by the way, didn't Bob Sapp beat Hoost, and isn't Hoost like one of the best Kickboxers in the sport?! LOL).

Remy Bojansky himself couldn't Ko Botha and had to settle for a decision, so this "any kickboxer would beat the living s**** out of them" claim from you is fantasy.

Imagine that instead of an over the hill Francois Botha we were talking a prime Mike Tyson, or Tua, and with those little UFC gloves? Hahaha .

and K-1 fighters are FAR better strikers than MOST UFC guys

Look if UFC fighters are going to take on elite level Boxers, especially anywhere near their prime, they better take them to the ground; period.

Snopkins
04-15-2010, 03:34 PM
but someone like a prime cro cop who was an elite level K-1 striker would rip him apart with kicks.



You do realise that a prime Cro Cop was a boxer,right? The high kick was an added bonus.


Cro Cop buckles under pressure.That's why he knew he would never make it in the sport of boxing.

Talon
04-15-2010, 04:40 PM
Laverne Clarke, a pure boxer. KOed Fabiano Iha, a jiu jitsu master, with 1 punch as he came in for a takedown. Actually he smashed his nose, and the ref stopped it because there was too much blood

p.s. james toney has just as much power as any heavyweight in MMA

valero
04-17-2010, 01:52 AM
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I agree that Lesnar wins this fantasy match, but Rogan really gets carried away here. Lol, he acts as if Lesnar is invincible.

Virgil Caine
04-17-2010, 07:05 AM
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I agree that Lesnar wins this fantasy match, but Rogan really gets carried away here. Lol, he acts as if Lesnar is invincible.
Rogan is a moron and this video is a great example of why that is so. He can say worthwhile things, and even give good commentary on rare occasions, but for the most part he annoys the **** out of me. Him and Goldberg both bring down the level of the UFC production imo, mainly with their broken record commentary, but also through Rogan's nutthugging and Goldberg's level of ignorance. Also, I wish I could reach through my screen and slap Goldberg every time he parrots one of Rogan's stupid one liners.

In a strange sort of way though, it almost seems as if their very purpose is to bring the level of the programming down to a denominator common with their fratboy/80s deathmetal fan/redneck/(et. al.) target fanbase.

*vent*