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YoungJab
03-17-2010, 09:04 AM
what does everyone think of him as a fighter and his style of fighting

does anybody no where he got the name tito from

0Rooster4Life0
03-17-2010, 10:00 AM
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Snopkins
03-17-2010, 01:05 PM
Trinidad was one of the the most accomplished,charismatic and most importantly exciting fighters of his generation.

Traditionally a slow starter,capable of being dropped by anyone who cracks him on the chin.Traditionally got up off of his arse and to hand out beatings of epic proportions.One of the most accurate power punchers seen in the sport in recent years.He threw every punch with intent and landed almost at will.The atmosphere at his fights were second to none.



The true "Baby Faced Assassin"



Ignore Roosters mediocre video.He is just trying to promote his youtube channel as he always has done.

Boxeo_Boricua
03-17-2010, 01:15 PM
Trinidad was one of the the most accomplished,charismatic and most importantly exciting fighters of his generation.

Traditionally a slow starter,capable of being dropped by anyone who cracks him on the chin.Traditionally got up off of his arse and to hand out beatings of epic proportions.One of the most accurate power punchers seen in the sport in recent years.He threw every punch with intent and landed almost at will.The atmosphere at his fights were second to none.



The true "Baby Faced Assassin"



Ignore Roosters mediocre video.He is just trying to promote his youtube channel as he always has done.

All I have to say is: If Tito was around now, Pacquiao wouldn't be beating WW's, that's for sure!

Left2body
03-17-2010, 01:59 PM
Excellent power puncher early on. Had under-rated boxing skills and is an under rated counter puncher. Towards the tail end of his career came to rely more and more on his power and less on his boxing.

-Went after the very toughest fights. Other than Ike Quartery, who fell off the map for a bit after his decision loss to DLH, Trinidad fought the absolute best in each weight class he fought at.

-Pernell Whittaker considers his loss to Trinidad to be the first legit loss of his career.

-Trinidad and Hearns are almost unilaterally agreed hardest hitters in WW history. Trinidad was also a 2 handed fighter and had legit KO power in his right hand.

-Often dropped early in fights but flash KO's not truly hurt.

-Was a big WW but had most trouble with BIG very good defensive fighters when he moved up in weight.

-If he had won the MW unilateral championship after Hopkins he was planning on moving up in weight again to SMW to have a MEGAAAA fight with Roy Jones Jr. They were at the time considered the #1 and #2 p4p fighters in the world.

-He was baby faced but he swelled up relatively easily and is not above dirty tactics, including hit a fighter in the balls, forearm shoves which he used to setup rights and hooks.

-Overall a very exciting fighter to watch, held rarely, KO'd oppnents often and came to put on a show.

musiol
03-17-2010, 02:05 PM
a remember kevin lushin put him on the deck

mrboxer
03-17-2010, 03:29 PM
he was a good fighter,he had a good style,i dont know where he got the name tito from,:boxing:

1SILVA
03-17-2010, 03:44 PM
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When he had you hurt, you were done. One of the great finishers in the hostory of the sport.

Fiasco
03-17-2010, 04:00 PM
A very overrated fighter who's power came from abnormal handwraps.

BigStereotype
03-17-2010, 04:06 PM
Bull****, Fiasco. Tito is an ENORMOUS puncher, you don't get that from wrapping your hands a little differently. He knocked Vargas down with one punch. Not like they were fighting, disengaged, then Tito came back and knocked him down with one blow. No. First punch of the fight knocked Vargas down and you have to remember that he had never been down before. Exciting fighter to watch, sharp, accurate power puncher who loved and fought for his people. What else is there to say?

Fiasco
03-17-2010, 04:13 PM
Bull****, Fiasco. Tito is an ENORMOUS puncher, you don't get that from wrapping your hands a little differently. He knocked Vargas down with one punch. Not like they were fighting, disengaged, then Tito came back and knocked him down with one blow. No. First punch of the fight knocked Vargas down and you have to remember that he had never been down before. Exciting fighter to watch, sharp, accurate power puncher who loved and fought for his people. What else is there to say?

Surprisingly, wrapping your hands a "little" differently has a lot to do with how much power you have.

Look at his power during the Hopkins fight, when his abnormal wraps were removed. He didn't even buzz Hopkins.

mellow_mood
03-17-2010, 04:19 PM
Surprisingly, wrapping your hands a "little" differently has a lot to do with how much power you have.

Look at his power during the Hopkins fight, when his abnormal wraps were removed. He didn't even buzz Hopkins.


can you mention who has buzzed hopkins? ;)

Fiasco
03-17-2010, 04:23 PM
can you mention who has buzzed hopkins? ;)

Sergundo Mercado knocked Hopkins down twice, in their first fight, and had him very hurt. Mercado is not a big puncher.

Boxeo_Boricua
03-17-2010, 04:26 PM
Surprisingly, wrapping your hands a "little" differently has a lot to do with how much power you have.

Look at his power during the Hopkins fight, when his abnormal wraps were removed. He didn't even buzz Hopkins.

Hopkins was a way bigger fighter and has never really been hurt. Tito's power diminished as he went up in weight. You are just butt-hurt that he outboxed your boy Sweet Pea and also put him on his ass. Whitaker actually admitted defeat for the first time and gave props to Tito's skills. You wish there were more fighters today like Tito, he was great.

Fiasco
03-17-2010, 04:30 PM
Hopkins was a way bigger fighter and has never really been hurt. Tito's power diminished as he went up in weight. You are just butt-hurt that he outboxed your boy Sweet Pea and also put him on his ass. Whitaker actually admitted defeat for the first time and gave props to Tito's skills. You wish there were more fighters today like Tito, he was great.

Hopkins has been hurt before. See my previous post. He was knocked down and hurt twice, against Sergundo Mercado. Mercado isn't a big puncher.

And don't act like the Whitaker win was a great one. Whitaker was way past his prime and was known to have been a drug addict, at that point. Yet, he still managed to win some rounds against Trinidad.

STREET CLEANER
03-17-2010, 04:45 PM
Sergundo Mercado knocked Hopkins down twice, in their first fight, and had him very hurt. Mercado is not a big puncher.

I guess the altitude they fought at didn't have nothing to do with it. They were relying that they were so high from the sealevel that Hopkins was gonna tire out and fold. Look at the secon fight and see what happened when the advantage was taken away

Boxeo_Boricua
03-17-2010, 04:47 PM
Hopkins has been hurt before. See my previous post. He was knocked down and hurt twice, against Sergundo Mercado. Mercado isn't a big puncher.

And don't act like the Whitaker win was a great one. Whitaker was way past his prime and was known to have been a drug addict, at that point. Yet, he still managed to win some rounds against Trinidad.

Hopkins was knocked down in 1994!!! He has improved a lot since. Tell me how many times he's been KO'ed since. He lost his very first fight, did that make him a loser? Pacquiao got beat-up in the lower weights and look at him now. On the Whitaker deal, he was 40-2(we know the deal with his "losses") when he fought Tito and scores of 118-109, 118-109 and 117-111 and he actually admitting defeat, it was pretty clear. It wasn't Tito's fault he was a drug addict. So was Camacho, Chavez and Tyson and they had great careers.

STREET CLEANER
03-17-2010, 04:50 PM
Hopkins was knocked down in 1994!!! He has improved a lot since. Tell me how many times he's been KO'ed since. He lost his very first fight, did that make him a loser? Pacquiao got beat-up in the lower weights and look at him now. On the Whitaker deal, he was 40-2(we know the deal with his "losses") when he fought Tito and scores of 118-109, 118-109 and 117-111 and he actually admitting defeat, it was pretty clear. It wasn't Tito's fault he was a drug addict. So was Camacho, Chavez and Tyson and they had great careers.

Pernell was very competitive in that fight, at one point even hurt Tito on the body

Fiasco
03-17-2010, 04:53 PM
Hopkins was knocked down in 1994!!! He has improved a lot since. Tell me how many times he's been KO'ed since. He lost his very first fight, did that make him a loser? Pacquiao got beat-up in the lower weights and look at him now. On the Whitaker deal, he was 40-2(we know the deal with his "losses") when he fought Tito and scores of 118-109, 118-109 and 117-111 and he actually admitting defeat, it was pretty clear. It wasn't Tito's fault he was a drug addict. So was Camacho, Chavez and Tyson and they had great careers.

His fighting ability improved but that doesn't mean his chin did. He got hit with some clean punches from Trinidad and it had no effect on him. Not even a buzz.

And what does being a drug addict at the end of your career have to do with what you did before? You're not always gonna be the same fighter. If you're past your best and addicted to drugs, you're not gonna be the same fighter that you were before.

By your logic, you're saying that Trinidad was the same fighter he always was against Roy Jones.

Boxeo_Boricua
03-17-2010, 05:33 PM
His fighting ability improved but that doesn't mean his chin did. He got hit with some clean punches from Trinidad and it had no effect on him. Not even a buzz.

And what does being a drug addict at the end of your career have to do with what you did before? You're not always gonna be the same fighter. If you're past your best and addicted to drugs, you're not gonna be the same fighter that you were before.

By your logic, you're saying that Trinidad was the same fighter he always was against Roy Jones.

Trinidad doesn't even drink alcohol! My logic says that while Chavez was snorting coke he was beating everybody and their momma. So did Macho, Rosario, Tyson, Gomez, and a lot of other fighters. Don't try to take credit away from Tito because Sweet pea was Sweet for drugs. Take him out of Tito's record and he was still great.

Fiasco
03-17-2010, 05:41 PM
Trinidad doesn't even drink alcohol! My logic says that while Chavez was snorting coke he was beating everybody and their momma. So did Macho, Rosario, Tyson, Gomez, and a lot of other fighters. Don't try to take credit away from Tito because Sweet pea was Sweet for drugs. Take him out of Tito's record and he was still great.

It doesn't only have to do with drugs, but it has to do with him being way past his prime. How could you even compare that version of Whitaker to the one that fought Chavez?

frankenfrank
03-17-2010, 05:50 PM
what does everyone think of him as a fighter and his style of fighting

does anybody no where he got the name tito from
all i know he was a cheater whom could always count on the advantage of having hardened wraps beneath his gloves and he also benefited from mayorga being an idiot in their fight.
delahoya > trinidad

Boxeo_Boricua
03-17-2010, 05:51 PM
It doesn't only have to do with drugs, but it has to do with him being way past his prime. How could you even compare that version of Whitaker to the one that fought Chavez?

I never did. Like I said, let's forget that Tito ever fought Whitaker. He is still the WW that defended his title the most. He fought everybody they put in front of him. When he moved up to 154 he fought the best at that weight, same when he moved up to 160. There he just bit off more than he could chew.

Boxeo_Boricua
03-17-2010, 05:54 PM
all i know he was a cheater whom could always count on the advantage of having hardened wraps beneath his gloves and he also benefited from mayorga being an idiot in their fight.
delahoya > trinidad

:haha::thumbsdow:haha: DLH had a "cushioned" career. He always made fighters get into a disadvantage to fight them. When he fought Tito, he had been trying to move to 154 but stayed because DLH was the biggest fight then. You're funny.

Left2body
03-17-2010, 06:15 PM
all i know he was a cheater whom could always count on the advantage of having hardened wraps beneath his gloves and he also benefited from mayorga being an idiot in their fight.
delahoya > trinidad

Tito was also very accurate puncher. But going to the wraps thing, Tito didn't use a hardened substance to wrap his hands like Resto or Margarito. That implies that he used something foreign and illegal.

Tito's handlers could've exchanged bags with any of his opponents and they would've had the same result because it was the method used not to wrap his hands which was questioned.

This method btw was only legal in the other states he fought in but not in Vegas. Also let us not forget that many fighters including DLH were called out and asked to rewrap their hands for having technically illegally wrapped there hands in a manner not complicit with the local sanctioning body.

There is a world of difference between DLH/Tito and Rest/Margarito.

Boxeo_Boricua
03-17-2010, 06:32 PM
Tito was also very accurate puncher. But going to the wraps thing, Tito didn't use a hardened substance to wrap his hands like Resto or Margarito. That implies that he used something foreign and illegal.

Tito's handlers could've exchanged bags with any of his opponents and they would've had the same result because it was the method used not to wrap his hands which was questioned.

This method btw was only legal in the other states he fought in but not in Vegas. Also let us not forget that many fighters including DLH were called out and asked to rewrap their hands for having technically illegally wrapped there hands in a manner not complicit with the local sanctioning body.

There is a world of difference between DLH/Tito and Rest/Margarito.

De La Hoya's wraps gave him an extra knuckle.

Fiasco
03-17-2010, 06:35 PM
I never did. Like I said, let's forget that Tito ever fought Whitaker. He is still the WW that defended his title the most. He fought everybody they put in front of him. When he moved up to 154 he fought the best at that weight, same when he moved up to 160. There he just bit off more than he could chew.

Besides Whitaker, the best fighter he ever fought was De La Hoya and we all know that De La Hoya gave him a boxing lesson.

His whole career is tarnished, in my opinion. I suspect that it was not him that beat his opponents, but a combination of him and his "special" hand-wraps.

Fiasco
03-17-2010, 06:40 PM
:haha::thumbsdow:haha: DLH had a "cushioned" career. He always made fighters get into a disadvantage to fight them. When he fought Tito, he had been trying to move to 154 but stayed because DLH was the biggest fight then. You're funny.

De La Hoya had a "cushioned" career? You couldn't be any more wrong.

De La Hoya fought the best opposition available. If we're talking about fighters with the best record of opponents fought (win or lose), De La Hoya's is one of, if not the, greatest.

Boxeo_Boricua
03-17-2010, 06:41 PM
Besides Whitaker, the best fighter he ever fought was De La Hoya and we all know that De La Hoya gave him a boxing lesson.

His whole career is tarnished, in my opinion. I suspect that it was not him that beat his opponents, but a combination of him and his "special" hand-wraps.

Maybe Cocaine helped Whitaker, who knows? Tito fought all comers, the best available at 147-160, what else do you want? Also, DLH should've won if he didn't decide to run like a little ***** the last three rounds.

Fiasco
03-17-2010, 06:57 PM
Maybe Cocaine helped Whitaker, who knows? Tito fought all comers, the best available at 147-160, what else do you want? Also, DLH should've won if he didn't decide to run like a little ***** the last three rounds.

Trinidad didn't fight the best available. Of his 21 world title fights, only 9 of his fights were against top 10 ranked opponents.

Ask any non-biased fan who won the fight and they'll tell you that De La Hoya won.

Emon723
03-17-2010, 10:48 PM
Then who are the best available opponents for Tito, the only boxer he didnt faced at WW is Ike Quartey, Terry Norris avoided him at 154, he beat undefeated boxers such as Campas and Oba Carr, and those who only had 1 or 2 losses when Tito fought them.

Left2body
03-17-2010, 11:44 PM
Trinidad didn't fight the best available. Of his 21 world title fights, only 9 of his fights were against top 10 ranked opponents.

Ask any non-biased fan who won the fight and they'll tell you that De La Hoya won.

Trinidad fought everyone. Name a fighter he didn't fight. Like I said you can possibly name Ike Quartey but even then you'd be wrong because Quartey was disgusted with boxing and semi-retired for a year and a half after the fight with DLH.

DLH wanted 70-30 for a rematch with Tito. Tito was a jrMW by the time Mosley came around. So who exactly did Trinidad duck?

Fiasco
03-17-2010, 11:49 PM
Trinidad fought everyone. Name a fighter he didn't fight. Like I said you can possibly name Ike Quartey but even then you'd be wrong because Quartey was disgusted with boxing and semi-retired for a year and a half after the fight with DLH.

DLH wanted 70-30 for a rematch with Tito. Tito was a jrMW by the time Mosley came around. So who exactly did Trinidad duck?

Quartey's fight with DLH was nearly 6 years after Trinidad won his first welterweight title. How come, in those 6 years, Quartey was not a possibility? Quartey was a welterweight champion, too.

Left2body
03-18-2010, 12:19 AM
Quartey's fight with DLH was nearly 6 years after Trinidad won his first welterweight title. How come, in those 6 years, Quartey was not a possibility? Quartey was a welterweight champion, too.


Again when he left the WW division there was No one left. It was a cleaned out division. The much stronger competition at that time was at the jrMW division. There was no one left, who was fighting at the WW division.

You calling a man who fought Prime DLH, Pernell Whittaker, Prime Hopkins, Prime Winky, Prime Vargas, undefeated Campas and Oba Carr was ducking Quartey......ok bro. :?!:

Fiasco
03-18-2010, 08:53 AM
Again when he left the WW division there was No one left. It was a cleaned out division. The much stronger competition at that time was at the jrMW division. There was no one left, who was fighting at the WW division.

You calling a man who fought Prime DLH, Pernell Whittaker, Prime Hopkins, Prime Winky, Prime Vargas, undefeated Campas and Oba Carr was ducking Quartey......ok bro. :?!:

So you're saying that fighting only 5 top 10 ranked welterweights, in a total of 16 welterweight title fights, in his 6 year title reign, means that he fought everybody and cleaned out the division?

Wow..

Left2body
03-18-2010, 03:07 PM
So you're saying that fighting only 5 top 10 ranked welterweights, in a total of 16 welterweight title fights, in his 6 year title reign, means that he fought everybody and cleaned out the division?

Wow..

Again who should he have stayed in the division for? Who would've been better opposition than Vargas, Reid, Joppy and Hopkins? Those guys were 4 of the 5 fighters he fought after DLH.

Fiasco
03-18-2010, 05:27 PM
Again who should he have stayed in the division for? Who would've been better opposition than Vargas, Reid, Joppy and Hopkins? Those guys were 4 of the 5 fighters he fought after DLH.

Those were his fights after he left the welterweight division. During his 6 year title reign, he didn't fight enough top 10 ranked fighters.

Here's some top 10 ranked fighters that he could've fought in the whole 6 years he was a champion for:

Ike Quartey (champion)
Vernon Forrest (champion)
Wilfredo Rivera
Jose Luis Lopez (champion)
Patrick Charpantier
James Page (champion)
Eamonn Loughran (champion)

He didn't have to stay in the division, for them. He just could've fought them anytime during his whole title reign.

Thread Stealer
03-18-2010, 06:20 PM
Quartey and Trinidad signed for a fight in 1998, but the fight got cancelled because Quartey and Main Events were sued by a promotional company.

http://www.nycourts.gov/comdiv/Law%20Report%20Files/January%201999/quartey.htm


After plaintiffs commenced this action, Main Events arranged for Quartey to fight Felix Trinidad in November 1998 for $1.9 million, and Quartey signed a contract for the fight on June 12, 1998. AB Stars alleges that before Quartey signed the Trinidad contract, it had negotiated a fight for Quartey against Oscar de la Hoya for $4.5 million, and therefore, Quartey and Asah, at the direction and control of Main Events, further violated the September Agreement because Main Events held itself as Quartey's sole promoter, did not receive AB Stars' consent, and ignored the fact that AB Stars had received a proposal for the de la Hoya fight. Quartey contends that he had no knowledge of, or interest in, fighting de la Hoya, and that it would not have been in the best interests of his career.

In August 1998, WBA stripped Quartey of his title after he withdrew from a fight against Alexei Pestraiev. Quartey's bout with Trinidad was also canceled, and subsequently, Main Events arranged for Quartey to fight de la Hoya on November 21, 1998. AB Stars argues that Main Events again breached the September Agreement by executing the de la Hoya contract as Quartey's sole promoter, and caused irreparable harm to AB Stars, which had originally negotiated the Quartey/de la Hoya fight. AB Stars claims that it is entitled to a preliminary injunction to prevent further harm by Main Events and preserve the status quo under the September Agreement pending a resolution of this action.

Fiasco
03-18-2010, 06:27 PM
Quartey and Trinidad signed for a fight in 1998, but the fight got cancelled because Quartey and Main Events were sued by a promotional company.

http://www.nycourts.gov/comdiv/Law%20Report%20Files/January%201999/quartey.htm

Fair enough, then. That still leaves the many other fighters, though.

Emon723
03-18-2010, 10:16 PM
Those were his fights after he left the welterweight division. During his 6 year title reign, he didn't fight enough top 10 ranked fighters.

Here's some top 10 ranked fighters that he could've fought in the whole 6 years he was a champion for:

Ike Quartey (champion)
Vernon Forrest (champion)
Wilfredo Rivera
Jose Luis Lopez (champion)
Patrick Charpantier
James Page (champion)
Eamonn Loughran (champion)

He didn't have to stay in the division, for them. He just could've fought them anytime during his whole title reign.

Vernon Forrest and James Page werent highly ranked contenders yet during Tito's reign, Wilfredo Rivera and Jose Luis Lopez? yes they fought great champions in Whitaker and Quartey but so is Trinidad who beat:

Luis Garcia (2 losses only to Blocker and Meldrick Taylor by decision, Tito knock him out in 1 round)
Camacho (more experience than tito that time)
Anthony Stephens (who would fought for a 154 lbs title a couple of times after Tito beat him)
Campas and Carr were undefeated and had more fights with Trinidad.

do you expect frenchman Patrick Charpienter to be better than all of Tito's opponents, the fact is all four of them, Whitaker, Quartey, DLH and Trinidad cleaned up the Welterweight division when they all finally slug it out in 1999.
It was Quartey who was in the losing end with cancelled fights with Whitaker and Trinidad in '98.

gran campeon
03-18-2010, 10:30 PM
Surprisingly, wrapping your hands a "little" differently has a lot to do with how much power you have.

Look at his power during the Hopkins fight, when his abnormal wraps were removed. He didn't even buzz Hopkins.

thats because he never landed a huge punch against hopkins......even when hopkins ko'd him he blocked a big left hook and hit him with a counter.......

Fiasco
03-18-2010, 10:31 PM
Vernon Forrest and James Page werent highly ranked contenders yet during Tito's reign, Wilfredo Rivera and Jose Luis Lopez? yes they fought great champions in Whitaker and Quartey but so is Trinidad who beat:

Luis Garcia (2 losses only to Blocker and Meldrick Taylor by decision, Tito knock him out in 1 round)
Camacho (more experience than tito that time)
Anthony Stephens (who would fought for a 154 lbs title a couple of times after Tito beat him)
Campas and Carr were undefeated and had more fights with Trinidad.

do you expect frenchman Patrick Charpienter to be better than all of Tito's opponents, the fact is all four of them, Whitaker, Quartey, DLH and Trinidad cleaned up the Welterweight division when they all finally slug it out in 1999.
It was Quartey who was in the losing end with cancelled fights with Whitaker and Trinidad in '98.

Forrest and Page were ranked within the top 10 for 2 years, before Trinidad decided to run away from the division.

You're right about Garcia. He was one of the very few fighters Trinidad faced who were ranked within the top 10.

Camacho and Stephens weren't. And since when does a title challenger mean they're a great fighter?

While Charpentier wasn't a better fighter, he was still a top 10 ranked welterweight.

Trinidad deserved to lose against DLH, beat a past-prime Whitaker, and ran away from the division when fighters like Forrest and Mosley were coming up.

You also have to question the legitimacy of his wins. We don't know whether it was him or his abnormal hand-wraps.

HitmanHattonAY
03-18-2010, 11:28 PM
what does everyone think of him as a fighter and his style of fighting

does anybody no where he got the name tito from

he is a great fighter

*RAZOR RUIZ*
03-20-2010, 05:30 PM
A very overrated fighter who's power came from abnormal handwraps.
haha i was gunna say the same thing. he must have not worn those against hopkins

Thread Stealer
03-20-2010, 07:53 PM
Fair enough, then. That still leaves the many other fighters, though.

I don't necessarily blame Trinidad for the fights not materializing but I do think that much of his WW reign was wasted on relatively weak opposition. Particularly from 1995 through 1998.

Emon723
03-21-2010, 04:39 AM
Forrest and Page were ranked within the top 10 for 2 years, before Trinidad decided to run away from the division.

You're right about Garcia. He was one of the very few fighters Trinidad faced who were ranked within the top 10.

Camacho and Stephens weren't. And since when does a title challenger mean they're a great fighter?

While Charpentier wasn't a better fighter, he was still a top 10 ranked welterweight.

Trinidad deserved to lose against DLH, beat a past-prime Whitaker, and ran away from the division when fighters like Forrest and Mosley were coming up.

You also have to question the legitimacy of his wins. We don't know whether it was him or his abnormal hand-wraps.

Arguably, nobody wants to faced Tito during his Welter reign, he was once quoted as saying the hardest part in boxing was negotiations, he wanted to fight Whitaker in '97, Trinidad was having weight problems but opted to stay at WW to make a superfight with Dela Hoya.

you are saying he ran when Forrest and Mosley were coming up, I seriously doubt if the late Forrest would want a piece of Tito around '96-'97. and James Page was actually considered as an opponent for Tito after he defeated David Reid in 2000.

As for the hand wraps, did Whitaker ever complain that Trinidad was hitting him with bricks, who connected 54% of his punches to Sweet pea, whereas Whitaker's opponents total percentage against him were about 20%.

gibo
03-21-2010, 05:27 AM
Felix Trinidad is an ATG. He beat Vargas (who hoja wouldn't fight until TITO KO'D him) same with Mayorga. And always fought UP the divisons against all champions. Losing only to hobkins, JONES, and WRIGHT. Whereas "your golden girl" your boxing god, fought against smaller SSM, PBF, and PACMAN and got her *SS SPLATTERED ON A PLATER!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

frankenfrank
04-07-2010, 01:18 PM
Tito was also very accurate puncher. But going to the wraps thing, Tito didn't use a hardened substance to wrap his hands like Resto or Margarito. That implies that he used something foreign and illegal.

Tito's handlers could've exchanged bags with any of his opponents and they would've had the same result because it was the method used not to wrap his hands which was questioned.

This method btw was only legal in the other states he fought in but not in Vegas. Also let us not forget that many fighters including DLH were called out and asked to rewrap their hands for having technically illegally wrapped there hands in a manner not complicit with the local sanctioning body.

There is a world of difference between DLH/Tito and Rest/Margarito.
very good post which i am just using as a reference at this moment.