I just rewatched it today for the first time since it happened. I did it because I havent seen the Prince in so long and it's good to go back and watch old film to remember what guys look like. Here is what I noticed:

MAB clearly won the fight but it wasnt a all out dominant performance like I remembered. I thought he killed the Prince but the Prince actually had some moments and won a few rounds. I thought he won like 4 rounds but I didnt all the way keep track. People made it seem like MAB dominated him but he really didnt that much. I noticed how the ultimate warrior Barrera showed Hamed the ultimate respect. He didnt want to brawl for nothing and stayed on the outside in kind of a punk way if you ask me. He was clearly out boxing the Prince but he didnt land that many hard shots. Most of the punches looked far worst because of the Prince's style of keeping his hands down and always being off balance. The Prince was also bigger then I remebered.

I heard Foreman talking about how the Prince is keeping his hands down by his side the whole fight but Barrera still wont run in and try to hit him or catch him. If MAB fought Hamed like he fights most of the time then I think the Prince KO's him. Im a guy with a good eye and I can notice things in bad situations. Most would say that the Prince stinks and was exposed by MAB. However I came away thinking that the Prince if actually more talented then Barrera but just had a bad style. I think if he had a great trainer that would teach him to be more orthodox then he could be a top pound for pound guy and easily one of the best out there and maybe all time. I think the Prince would kill Pac Man and I love Chico but I actually think that he would KO Chico also

This dude had mad talent and power. I forgot how good he was and I wasnt even a fan of his but just watching him in his worst fight I could see that this kid had tremendous talent and if Barrera didnt fight the way he never has then he wouldnt have won. He has never fought that way. That was around the time when Barrera turned into a boxer but even as a boxer he never showed anyone the respect he showed Hamed. He didnt over commit for nothing. It was kind of like Oscar vs Tito. Most thought Oscar was schooling him but I thought he was mostly running even in the early rounds. It's different if thats your style like Spinks or Sweet Pea but if you are a fighter like MAB and Oscar was then that is like running. Take the Tito and Hopkins fight. Hopkins boxed but he still managed to trade alot with Tito. Oscar didnt and neither did MAB unless he was really sure that Hamed couldnt land back. I wish I could see dude fight again. Boxing need guys with different personalites like that. How great would it be to see him hone his skills and fight Pac, Morales, Chico, Castillo, and others?

Naz lost that fight more so than Barrera winning it.

Barrera landed flush, clean shots on Hamed even rocked him a couple of times. He ain't a punk for fighting the way he did, he just respected Hamed's power and he had reason to. He just gave the Prince a boxing lesson period.

Prince has his hands down often but why would you run in there and bum rush him like an idiot? You know he has power so why put yourself in a position to get knock the **** out? Where's the logic? There is a reason that Barrera opted to stay outside and that was the smartest move he could possibly make. He won a clear-cut decision didn't he? As for Hamed, he already had Manny Steward in his corner. Can't get any better than that. That was his style and that same awkward style is what won him his fights. Leaping punches, different angles, his style was unsual and it worked till he faced MAB.

Hamed had awesome speed and power with lousy footwork and was far from being technically sound. It just took someone who was with the brains to go with it to destroy the myth that was Hamed. He was entertaining but it stops there...

The Prince actually boxed traditionally a few times during fights and looked really good doing it. He was in love with his power though and enjoyed making guys look stupid so he'd always fall back into his usual style. He had mad talent but threw it away towards the end by surrounding himself with yes men. I'm a big MAB and Morales fan but I still think with Naz on top form, only Morales would have a decent chance of dealing with him.

Barrera did win but it was in no way as it has made out to be.........i do agree that it is was more NAZ losing the fight than MAB winning....

but everybody in the States hates Hamed for some reason, and this is why they make it out to be a beating.

I am a huge Hamed fan, but there is no doubt in that Barrera clearly won the fight, and proved him self as the better man of the two. I can understand why he didn´t want to trade with Hamed - he would get killed trying! Hameds power was truly awesome. Barrera did what he had to do to defeat Hamed.

I remember this fight almost broke my heart. I loved to watch Hamed fight, but after he lost, the magic was gone. Hamed knew this also, and that is why he retired I think. Let us hope he doesn´t return. It would never be the same anyway.

Let me make myself clear. I love Barrera and if it sounded like I was dissing him then I didnt mean to but I was just trying to say how much talent I thought Naz had. He had Manny in his corner but he wasnt really his trainer. He wasnt there that much but then he would try to show up at fights and take credit.

MAB is a bad boy and deserved to win but I think even with Naz old style, Naz still couldve won if he focused more. I think MAB just caught him(and everyone else for that matter) completely off guard by boxing the way he did. No one thought Barrera could successfuly do that at the time. Therfore Naz just thought that Barrera would fight him and get KO. He didnt have a backup plan and it showed. He was just trying to walk Barrera down and throw one punch at a time. I think if he knew Barrea was going to box then he wouldve been prepared and couldve won but a real champ is always prepared so no excuses.

Barrera did start hitting him regularly the last couple of rounds as he saw Naz was at that time just really looking for one punch and starting to except defeat. I still think he would kill Pac

Naz was past his best when he fought MAB, MAB outboxed NAZ and won the fight easily. Naz Just kept looking for that 1 big punch which never came. Did Naz actually listen to anything Manny steward said?

A Prime Naz was when he had ingle in his corner in the late 90's when he beat the likes of:Medina, Johnson, Kelley, Vazquez, McCullough, Ingle, Soto. Naz was Amazing against these guys.

If Naz had fought MAB in 97,98 I think it would have been a different fight with Naz being the winner.

A Prime Naz was when he first won the World title from Steve Robinson in 96, that was his best performance, but he fell apart after that because his ego took over and he stopped training as hard. Naz became a one-punch-hoper, a shadow of the potential he had as a combination fighter in 94-95. Tom Johnson was his last great performance(at 22 years old), Robinson was his best performance, and he ended up falling very short of his potential.

"He didnt want to brawl for nothing and stayed on the outside in kind of a punk way if you ask me."

You yourself are a "Mayweather defender", don't you think PBF will fight this way vs. Gatti?

Naz was past his best when he fought MAB, MAB outboxed NAZ and won the fight easily. Naz Just kept looking for that 1 big punch which never came. Did Naz actually listen to anything Manny steward said?

A Prime Naz was when he had ingle in his corner in the late 90's when he beat the likes of:Medina, Johnson, Kelley, Vazquez, McCullough, Ingle, Soto. Naz was Amazing against these guys.

If Naz had fought MAB in 97,98 I think it would have been a different fight with Naz being the winner.

Past his prime? How old was he? Manny Steward is not a bad trainer. NAZ not listening to good advice does not mean he's past his prime.

at least finally we get some sense talked about hamed, he was more interested in how his hair looke dthan what tactics he needed to use against MAB.

Americans hate haemd due to the fact he is a high profile muslim i think, he certianly didnt endear himself with all that ranting and raving prior to the first bell.

And to be honest i agree with them, theres no place for religion in sport.

its a personal thing and Hamed showed a lack of class by using that fight as a stage to air his beliefs.

I ended up shouting for MAB after that bull****.

I have nothing aginast Muslimsi hastne to add in fact one of my good mates is a strict muslim, but i do have a problem with someone else forcing their religion on me.

Save your preaching for the church,mosque or whatever NOT a ****ing boxing ring. :mad:

[QUOTE=DLT] People made it seem like MAB dominated him but he really didnt that much. I noticed how the ultimate warrior Barrera showed Hamed the ultimate respect. He didnt want to brawl for nothing and stayed on the outside in kind of a punk way if you ask me. He was clearly out boxing the Prince but he didnt land that many hard shots. Most of the punches looked far worst because of the Prince's style of keeping his hands down and always being off balance. The Prince was also bigger then I remebered.]



Kind of a punk way? He put on a ****ing boxing clinic. He knew Naseem hit hard, so he didnt get reckless. He put on a show and basically shut out Hamed.Hamed maybe won 2 rounds. You should watch the fight one more time and score it. I dont hate Hamed, I think he had tons of talent. It's not Barrera's fault if Naz under-trained and didnt listen to Manny in his corner. Plain and simple, Barrera dominated Hamed. He didnt beat the **** out of him, but then again he didnt have to. He was outboxing and outclassing him. I'm tired of people saying "if" this and "if" that. "If" doesnt count, what counts is what happened in the ring that night, and what happened in the ring was Hamed was dominated by a better, smarter boxer.

unoudbtedly a boxing clinic mate, Barerra was awesome, my posts certinaly arent to the detriment of MAB who is one of my fistic heroes.

it would have been a much more competetive fight however against the Hamed that won the title rather than the brash braggart he became.

i do thinlk a lot of people tend to rate hamed on this fight alone though and they shouldnt do that. He was a shadow of his former self with Ingle.

Past his prime? How old was he? Manny Steward is not a bad trainer. NAZ not listening to good advice does not mean he's past his prime.

What's age got to do with it? His last fight against Calvo proved this, Why do you think Naz retired, His best days were mid to late 90's.

What's age got to do with it? His last fight against Calvo proved this, Why do you think Naz retired, His best days were mid to late 90's.

Age has a lot to do with it. Naz wasn't losing his speed or reflex by the time he fought Barrera. This excuse about him being past his prime is complete BS. This fight was what? Three years ago? He's not even 30!

at least finally we get some sense talked about hamed, he was more interested in how his hair looke dthan what tactics he needed to use against MAB.

Americans hate haemd due to the fact he is a high profile muslim i think, he certianly didnt endear himself with all that ranting and raving prior to the first bell.

And to be honest i agree with them, theres no place for religion in sport.

its a personal thing and Hamed showed a lack of class by using that fight as a stage to air his beliefs.

I ended up shouting for MAB after that bull****.

I have nothing aginast Muslimsi hastne to add in fact one of my good mates is a strict muslim, but i do have a problem with someone else forcing their religion on me.

Save your preaching for the church,mosque or whatever NOT a ****ing boxing ring. :mad:
have you ever heard holyfield after his fights? or just about any other african american boxer after a victory..............

come on man, the yanks are more religious than the rest.

have you ever heard holyfield after his fights? or just about any other african american boxer after a victory..............

come on man, the yanks are more religious than the rest.

I'm not sure if you saw the pre-fight show when Hamed flew in on a trapeze (and got drenched by a flying cup of beer) and all that. Then just before the introduction, he was given the mic and he started a prayer praising Allah being the "gra'est". Now that's blatant. This is boxing, not a mosque.

Correct it was a lot more blatant than saying thank god or praise allah once at the end of a fight etc.

thsi was a blatent rant he asked for the mic specifically.

left me cold.


however snoopy smurf if you think that age is the main reaons behind a fighter ageging you are talking out of the wrong end mate :D .

look at tyson, wilfred benitiez or naseeem.

all had devastating but short primes, some of it is physicial, some of it is mental.

some of it a decline in training, some in desire, etc etc.

think about it. ;)

Correct it was a lot more blatant than saying thank god or praise allah once at the end of a fight etc.

thsi was a blatent rant he asked for the mic specifically.

left me cold.


however snoopy smurf if you think that age is the main reaons behind a fighter ageging you are talking out of the wrong end mate :D .

look at tyson, wilfred benitiez or naseeem.

all had devastating but short primes, some of it is physicial, some of it is mental.

some of it a decline in training, some in desire, etc etc.

think about it. ;)

Good point JPW

He was nowhere near the same fighter against MAB , that he was against the likes of Medina, Johnson, Kelly ingle etc.

cheers, and exactly then he made his money and the ego took over, split from ingle and his training and boxing suffered.

still doesnt take away from MAB's masterclass though.

Good point JPW

He was nowhere near the same fighter against MAB , that he was against the likes of Medina, Johnson, Kelly ingle etc.




Stop making excuses man .. Come on I'm sick of this sh*t.. Between Tito and the trunks and Naseem .. look *****, Nas is a punk.. He had no heart or character.. He didnt seek a rematch with Barerra because he was a bully that got exposed.. Barerra was the best , smartest fighter that he had ever fought!! STOP WITH THE EXCUSES!!!! Tito ans Naseem rank amongst the most overrated fighters of this generation!!

stop ranting and do some reading mate.

:rolleyes:

I just rewatched it today for the first time since it happened. I did it because I havent seen the Prince in so long and it's good to go back and watch old film to remember what guys look like. Here is what I noticed:

MAB clearly won the fight but it wasnt a all out dominant performance like I remembered. I thought he killed the Prince but the Prince actually had some moments and won a few rounds. I thought he won like 4 rounds but I didnt all the way keep track. People made it seem like MAB dominated him but he really didnt that much. I noticed how the ultimate warrior Barrera showed Hamed the ultimate respect. He didnt want to brawl for nothing and stayed on the outside in kind of a punk way if you ask me. He was clearly out boxing the Prince but he didnt land that many hard shots. Most of the punches looked far worst because of the Prince's style of keeping his hands down and always being off balance. The Prince was also bigger then I remebered.

I heard Foreman talking about how the Prince is keeping his hands down by his side the whole fight but Barrera still wont run in and try to hit him or catch him. If MAB fought Hamed like he fights most of the time then I think the Prince KO's him. Im a guy with a good eye and I can notice things in bad situations. Most would say that the Prince stinks and was exposed by MAB. However I came away thinking that the Prince if actually more talented then Barrera but just had a bad style. I think if he had a great trainer that would teach him to be more orthodox then he could be a top pound for pound guy and easily one of the best out there and maybe all time. I think the Prince would kill Pac Man and I love Chico but I actually think that he would KO Chico also

This dude had mad talent and power. I forgot how good he was and I wasnt even a fan of his but just watching him in his worst fight I could see that this kid had tremendous talent and if Barrera didnt fight the way he never has then he wouldnt have won. He has never fought that way. That was around the time when Barrera turned into a boxer but even as a boxer he never showed anyone the respect he showed Hamed. He didnt over commit for nothing. It was kind of like Oscar vs Tito. Most thought Oscar was schooling him but I thought he was mostly running even in the early rounds. It's different if thats your style like Spinks or Sweet Pea but if you are a fighter like MAB and Oscar was then that is like running. Take the Tito and Hopkins fight. Hopkins boxed but he still managed to trade alot with Tito. Oscar didnt and neither did MAB unless he was really sure that Hamed couldnt land back. I wish I could see dude fight again. Boxing need guys with different personalites like that. How great would it be to see him hone his skills and fight Pac, Morales, Chico, Castillo, and others?


Am I the first one to catch this **** or what?

You think Hamed would KO CHico and kill Pacman...based off of what? His up and down brawls with the Flushing Flash and Augie "zero chin" Sanchez???

Chico would put baby Hamed in a god dman body bag, what the **** are you thinking...Diego is pushing 6 god damn feet tall and Hamed barely breaqks 5 feet, it is as big a mismatch as you will find.

Now with PAc, at least Hamed has a tiny chance but the straight left would land all day long and he would most likely be punished by the PAc...how do you know that Hamed can take serious shots and come back...are you basing it on his fight with Paul Ingle...trust me Ingle is no Pac Man...

As for Hamed's style, it often time sucked and was not set up to win at the elite level of the sport...as you stated many of MAB's punches were not flush, it was the off balance Prince that made them look flush, your right, absolutely right-but watch all Prince fights, he always flies around like a retard when some fighter barely catches him.

Mab fought cautiously because Prince can punch but to even think for 1 damn second that Chico or Pac Man would be thrashed by the tiny prince is ridiculous and suggests to me that you need to not just watch HAmed's fight with MAB but his ones with Ingle, Bungu, Sanchez, Kelly etc.

He was a good pucnher who did not have the style to beat elite fighters, elite fighters will make the Prince look stupid every time, why the hell do you think we have not seen him since? (Callist does not count)

Good point JPW

He was nowhere near the same fighter against MAB , that he was against the likes of Medina, Johnson, Kelly ingle etc.

None of those guys are of Barrera's skill level. He made Naseem look like a baffoon in the ring. Even full nelsoned Nadeem into the post.

None of those guys are of Barrera's skill level. He made Naseem look like a baffoon in the ring. Even full nelsoned Nadeem into the post.


That was fuc*ing hilarious!! Where was his Allah there? Running his mouth like a little bitc*!! Ingle said Naseem wasnt confident , he always doubted himself.. All that BS before a fight was nervous energy..

Barrera hit Naseem so hard, his ear folded.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1265000/images/_1266600_hamed_300.jpg

Barrera Akhbar! (Barrera is Great!!!)

Barrera hit Naseem so hard, his ear folded.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1265000/images/_1266600_hamed_300.jpg

Barrera Akhbar! (Barrera is Great!!!)


Amen, Barrera is better than Hamed. Case Closed. The only ones coming up with excuses for Naz seem to be the british people on here.

"He didnt want to brawl for nothing and stayed on the outside in kind of a punk way if you ask me."

You yourself are a "Mayweather defender", don't you think PBF will fight this way vs. Gatti?
First off I didnt put that Mayweather **** on here, someone else did but I dont know hot to take it off or really care.

Second if you read my whole post then you will see where I say it's ok for guys who fight that way anyway but not a so called brawling warrior like MAB

That was fuc*ing hilarious!! Where was his Allah there? Running his mouth like a little bitc*!! Ingle said Naseem wasnt confident , he always doubted himself.. All that BS before a fight was nervous energy..
Are you a young clown or what. Dont make fun of people's religon like that because it's not funny. Thats what the guy who calls the fight said and Foreman told him off about it

Am I the first one to catch this **** or what?

You think Hamed would KO CHico and kill Pacman...based off of what? His up and down brawls with the Flushing Flash and Augie "zero chin" Sanchez???

Chico would put baby Hamed in a god dman body bag, what the **** are you thinking...Diego is pushing 6 god damn feet tall and Hamed barely breaqks 5 feet, it is as big a mismatch as you will find.

Now with PAc, at least Hamed has a tiny chance but the straight left would land all day long and he would most likely be punished by the PAc...how do you know that Hamed can take serious shots and come back...are you basing it on his fight with Paul Ingle...trust me Ingle is no Pac Man...

As for Hamed's style, it often time sucked and was not set up to win at the elite level of the sport...as you stated many of MAB's punches were not flush, it was the off balance Prince that made them look flush, your right, absolutely right-but watch all Prince fights, he always flies around like a retard when some fighter barely catches him.

Mab fought cautiously because Prince can punch but to even think for 1 damn second that Chico or Pac Man would be thrashed by the tiny prince is ridiculous and suggests to me that you need to not just watch HAmed's fight with MAB but his ones with Ingle, Bungu, Sanchez, Kelly etc.

He was a good pucnher who did not have the style to beat elite fighters, elite fighters will make the Prince look stupid every time, why the hell do you think we have not seen him since? (Callist does not count)
What do you mean he was tiny idiot? He was at 126 when MAB was at 122 and Pac was at 118. Chico was just at 130. Chico is my man but he isnt unbeatable and both him and Pac's style are made for Naz. Those guys arent boxers. Pac might land a couple of shots but with him coming straight in he would get stretched by Naz. Naz was a lefty also so Pac's straight left wouldnt work. Pac is a brawler and he will not beat Naz in a punching match.

Chico is my boy but he also has bad balance and is chinny. Naz would catch him alot and I think he would KO him. Styles make fights. Those 2 would go toe to toe with Naz and get stretched. Do you see how much Chico gets hit?

Chico murders Hamed. Do you honestly see the Prince taking the same shots that Castillo took? lmafo He'd get M-U-R-D-E-R-E-D against Corrales. Murdered.

Just to let you know, a southpaw is more susceptible to get hit by another southpaw. That's putting his face right in the line of fire. First who lands goes down. I'd take a lazer straight shot rather than a leaping hook any day of the week.

Barrera flat out beat Hamed.

What do you mean he was tiny idiot? He was at 126 when MAB was at 122 and Pac was at 118. Chico was just at 130. Chico is my man but he isnt unbeatable and both him and Pac's style are made for Naz. Those guys arent boxers. Pac might land a couple of shots but with him coming straight in he would get stretched by Naz. Naz was a lefty also so Pac's straight left wouldnt work. Pac is a brawler and he will not beat Naz in a punching match.

Chico is my boy but he also has bad balance and is chinny. Naz would catch him alot and I think he would KO him. Styles make fights. Those 2 would go toe to toe with Naz and get stretched. Do you see how much Chico gets hit?


What Naz victory tells you that he can handle boxing elite???

His victory over Tom Johnson? His victory over the pocket rocket or a already over the hill flushing flash? He talked about Eric Morales for a long time and nothing ever happended, I agree that Morales and Pac have styles that would give HAmed chances to land but think about this Augie Sanchez and KEvin Kelly knocked NAz down multiple times can you imagine what a pacman left hand would do...oh I forgot PAc's left wouldn't work, your right Hamed is a defensive genious?

Now Im no Corrales fan but ****na' the guy took JL castillo bombs and you think he could eat a little hamed leather and take him out, I seriously don't think you have watched NAseem enough to speak on him, hell you just watched the MAB fight for the 2nd time? You knock Chico's chin but let me tell you something Hamed's is no better I promise you that! This is absolutely crazy, if they fought I would bet you my home on the fight there is no ****ing way Chico would lose to a guy that barely breaks 5 feet?

Again what elite fighter that the PRince beat suggest to you that he could hang with these fellas??? OR is it his embarrassment to MAB that has you thinking that Hamed has gotten a raw deal with the media and the fans? DLT, the guy went away for a reason and apparently you are missing that reason-the only conclusion you can make is that he quit supposedly in the prime of his career....Naz was a great puncher and a great fighter for this sport but lets face it, NAz was a ***** on the elite level and his retirement speaks louder than anything me or you can say to each other or anyone on this site...

Say it with me now...THE PRINCE IS A QUITTER AND A *****.

Hamed was awful after he fired Ingle, Post-98 he was terrible.

But let's not forget that in 1994, Muhammad Ali said that Naz was more talented that he was at that age!

You hate-filled Yanks haven't seen Naz in his early career, he was nothing like the freakshow you saw in the late 90's and against Barrera. His talent was scarey to say the least, but then when his ego took over he became ridiculous (Kelley onwards).

What Naz victory tells you that he can handle boxing elite???

His victory over Tom Johnson? His victory over the pocket rocket or a already over the hill flushing flash? He talked about Eric Morales for a long time and nothing ever happended, I agree that Morales and Pac have styles that would give HAmed chances to land but think about this Augie Sanchez and KEvin Kelly knocked NAz down multiple times can you imagine what a pacman left hand would do...oh I forgot PAc's left wouldn't work, your right Hamed is a defensive genious?

Now Im no Corrales fan but ****na' the guy took JL castillo bombs and you think he could eat a little hamed leather and take him out, I seriously don't think you have watched NAseem enough to speak on him, hell you just watched the MAB fight for the 2nd time? You knock Chico's chin but let me tell you something Hamed's is no better I promise you that! This is absolutely crazy, if they fought I would bet you my home on the fight there is no ****ing way Chico would lose to a guy that barely breaks 5 feet?

Again what elite fighter that the PRince beat suggest to you that he could hang with these fellas??? OR is it his embarrassment to MAB that has you thinking that Hamed has gotten a raw deal with the media and the fans? DLT, the guy went away for a reason and apparently you are missing that reason-the only conclusion you can make is that he quit supposedly in the prime of his career....Naz was a great puncher and a great fighter for this sport but lets face it, NAz was a ***** on the elite level and his retirement speaks louder than anything me or you can say to each other or anyone on this site...

Say it with me now...THE PRINCE IS A QUITTER AND A *****.
Styles make fights. Do you know that before the Chico-Castillo fight that I made a thread that said Chico will KO Castillo and then Tszyu if they fought but at the same time he would lose to Chop Chop. Chico is great but if you have any kind of movement then you can beat him. Add to that a southpaw who is sneaky and he will drop Chico alot. Hamed beat some good fighters. Your talking about the Barrera fight but did you forget what Floyd did to Chico? Chico also lost to Joel and I think he mightve lost the second one if he didnt have McGirt in his corner. Chico was also getting owned by Frietas until he got tired. Naz would have a great chance against him

but everybody in the States hates Hamed for some reason, and this is why they make it out to be a beating.

ive always admired him..and they say us country boys are racist.stigmas for the lose.

Styles make fights. Do you know that before the Chico-Castillo fight that I made a thread that said Chico will KO Castillo and then Tszyu if they fought but at the same time he would lose to Chop Chop. Chico is great but if you have any kind of movement then you can beat him. Add to that a southpaw who is sneaky and he will drop Chico alot. Hamed beat some good fighters. Your talking about the Barrera fight but did you forget what Floyd did to Chico? Chico also lost to Joel and I think he mightve lost the second one if he didnt have McGirt in his corner. Chico was also getting owned by Frietas until he got tired. Naz would have a great chance against him

Joe Goosen was Chico's trainder in the 2nd Casamayor fight, not McGirt. Chico knew was going to jail just before the Mayweather fight and had no fire in him.

Naz would have lost that fight with or without Ingle. Manny Stewart was not giving him bad advice at all. The clown got beat by a warrior. That's all there is to it.

Styles make fights. Do you know that before the Chico-Castillo fight that I made a thread that said Chico will KO Castillo and then Tszyu if they fought but at the same time he would lose to Chop Chop. Chico is great but if you have any kind of movement then you can beat him. Add to that a southpaw who is sneaky and he will drop Chico alot. Hamed beat some good fighters. Your talking about the Barrera fight but did you forget what Floyd did to Chico? Chico also lost to Joel and I think he mightve lost the second one if he didnt have McGirt in his corner. Chico was also getting owned by Frietas until he got tired. Naz would have a great chance against him

So Chico would KO ZOO and get ko'd by Hamed who has never beaten top notch fighter in his career...quit saying styles make fights, trust me I understand that a lot more than you and don't you dare compare Floyd Mayweather and Prince that is unforgiveable...

I don't mean to be too hard on you hear but what you are saying is pretty god damn stupid, DLT you are probably a fine guy but your boxing knowledge or instinct needs to be sharpened.

Again Chico ko's Zoo but would get ko'd by Hamed, you just don't get it, wow you really just don't get it.

Does anyone else agree with DLT??? Please if you do I would love to hear your reasoning....DLT no more comments from you, I want to see if there is anyone else that is braindead out there, you already proved it.

Chico ko's Zoo and gets ko'd by Hamed....holy ****!

however snoopy smurf if you think that age is the main reaons behind a fighter ageging you are talking out of the wrong end mate :D .

look at tyson, wilfred benitiez or naseeem.

all had devastating but short primes, some of it is physicial, some of it is mental.

some of it a decline in training, some in desire, etc etc.

think about it. ;)

I've thought about it. And suddenly realized that Naseem got beat in his prime by a fighter many thought was passed his after his losses to Johnson (twice) and Morales. These two excuses I've read :

1. No Ingle

2. Past his prime.

...are rediculous. He was 27 and for a fighter like Hamed, he wasn't battle worn like Barrera. He's never been taken to deeper waters like Morales did to Barrera. That night, I was rooting for Barrera but was extremely worried that Naseem would KO him. He could turn a fight with just one punch. The way the fight was, Naseem was befuddled and had no answer to the orthodox boxing of Barrera. All the fundementals of boxing was executed perfectly on the unorthodox style of Naseem. However, Naseem tried his best to turn the fight and used all his experience to win it. It's not like he lost his speed. He had it all there. His strength was still there. His reflex. There's no excuse. He got beat fair and square on his best night by a veteran battle worn Mexican warrior.

I think the Brit Commentators summed that fight and its significance perfectly that night.


"Im affraid Hamed has been found wanting at this level with these guys"

I think the Brit Commentators summed that fight and its significance perfectly that night.


"Im affraid Hamed has been found wanting at this level with these guys"

I think the brit commentaters were brutally honest with there boy.

"He didnt want to brawl for nothing and stayed on the outside in kind of a punk way if you ask me."

You yourself are a "Mayweather defender", don't you think PBF will fight this way vs. Gatti?

....Damn good point and the reply will be priceless.

prince did have a ****load of skills.i was always a naz fan since the first time i seen him fight.he had one of the most weirdest fighting styles i have ever see.the only weirder fight style was the oliver mccall crying style.if naz would have polished up on his skills he could have gave MAB a better fight.im not saying he would have beaten MAB but he would have had a better fight.MAB fought naz the way he did to beat him.i dont blame him for not wanting to get into a slufest with naz.he fought a very smart fight and won.and no naz wasnt past his prime against MAB.he went in there thinking he could get the KO and never changed his style through the whole fight.MAB's skills along with naz not changing his style in the ring was what got MAB the win.

prince did have a ****load of skills.i was always a naz fan since the first time i seen him fight.he had one of the most weirdest fighting styles i have ever see.the only weirder fight style was the oliver mccall crying style.if naz would have polished up on his skills he could have gave MAB a better fight.im not saying he would have beaten MAB but he would have had a better fight.MAB fought naz the way he did to beat him.i dont blame him for not wanting to get into a slufest with naz.he fought a very smart fight and won.and no naz wasnt past his prime against MAB.he went in there thinking he could get the KO and never changed his style through the whole fight.MAB's skills along with naz not changing his style in the ring was what got MAB the win.



MAB fought with agression.. it's called "Contolled Agression"... Barerra said that mentally that fight was the hardest to prepare himself for.. Why? Because Barrera is a warrior by heritage. He would have preferred to slug with Naseem, and you could see at points during the fight how badly he wanted to.. However, Barrera is also a lawyer so is obviuosly a very intelligent man.. Statistical he knew his best odds to control Naseem and win the fight convincingly were to pick and choose his spots against a powerful fighter with no heart!! And whos the punk? I remember Barerra slaming Naz head into the turnbuckle BBWAHH!!

MAB fought with agression.. it's called "Contolled Agression"... Barerra said that mentally that fight was the hardest to prepare himself for.. Why? Because Barrera is a warrior by heritage. He would have preferred to slug with Naseem, and you could see at points during the fight how badly he wanted to.. However, Barrera is also a lawyer so is obviuosly a very intelligent man.. Statistical he knew his best odds to control Naseem and win the fight convincingly were to pick and choose his spots against a powerful fighter with no heart!! And whos the punk? I remember Barerra slaming Naz head into the turnbuckle BBWAHH!!


when did i ever say that MAB was a punk.i dont recall ever saying that.

when did i ever say that MAB was a punk.i dont recall ever saying that.


I never said you did!! The guy who started this thread did

I never said you did!! The guy who started this thread did

oh ok.i thought you were referring to me.sorry.

"He didnt want to brawl for nothing and stayed on the outside in kind of a punk way if you ask me."

You yourself are a "Mayweather defender", don't you think PBF will fight this way vs. Gatti?

Thats how PBF always fights tho,thats his style,hit and not get hit.

....Damn good point and the reply will be priceless.
I been replied to that. Look it up

Joe Goosen was Chico's trainder in the 2nd Casamayor fight, not McGirt. Chico knew was going to jail just before the Mayweather fight and had no fire in him.

Naz would have lost that fight with or without Ingle. Manny Stewart was not giving him bad advice at all. The clown got beat by a warrior. That's all there is to it.
I wasnt talking about Chico. I was talking about Casamayor. If Goosen had stayed his trainer then he wouldve beat Chico the second time

So Chico would KO ZOO and get ko'd by Hamed who has never beaten top notch fighter in his career...quit saying styles make fights, trust me I understand that a lot more than you and don't you dare compare Floyd Mayweather and Prince that is unforgiveable...

I don't mean to be too hard on you hear but what you are saying is pretty god damn stupid, DLT you are probably a fine guy but your boxing knowledge or instinct needs to be sharpened.

Again Chico ko's Zoo but would get ko'd by Hamed, you just don't get it, wow you really just don't get it.

Does anyone else agree with DLT??? Please if you do I would love to hear your reasoning....DLT no more comments from you, I want to see if there is anyone else that is braindead out there, you already proved it.

Chico ko's Zoo and gets ko'd by Hamed....holy ****!
First of all clown, I have had debates with many people on this board and they all say they like debating with me because I have alot of boxing knowledge. Almost everything I say comes true. You think Im a idiot for saying that about Chico but what sense do you make? Naz beat some very solid fighters. You act like the weight is such a big differnce. Chico can carry weight a long ways and Chico can kill anyone that goes toe to toe with him. However if you are good at angles and are a southpaw who can throw alot of different punches then you can beat him. You act like you forget that no matter what people thought about Naz, they all said he was the hardest or top 3 hardest punchers in boxing. You act like a 130 pound Chico is 5 weight classes higher then a 126 Hamed. Hamed couldve moved up to 130 and he wouldve KO Chico. Chico fits better into his height at 135 and will probally be at his best at 147.

Tszyu would go toe to toe with Chico and get KO but Chop Chop would box him and beat him probally easily. Frietas was dominating Chico until he tired. Was he so much better then Hamed? Dont debate with me because almost all my picks come right

First of all clown, I have had debates with many people on this board and they all say they like debating with me because I have alot of boxing knowledge. Almost everything I say comes true. You think Im a idiot for saying that about Chico but what sense do you make? Naz beat some very solid fighters. You act like the weight is such a big differnce. Chico can carry weight a long ways and Chico can kill anyone that goes toe to toe with him. However if you are good at angles and are a southpaw who can throw alot of different punches then you can beat him. You act like you forget that no matter what people thought about Naz, they all said he was the hardest or top 3 hardest punchers in boxing. You act like a 130 pound Chico is 5 weight classes higher then a 126 Hamed. Hamed couldve moved up to 130 and he wouldve KO Chico. Chico fits better into his height at 135 and will probally be at his best at 147.

Tszyu would go toe to toe with Chico and get KO but Chop Chop would box him and beat him probally easily. Frietas was dominating Chico until he tired. Was he so much better then Hamed? Dont debate with me because almost all my picks come right


Oh man DLT you are my idol, you have had a lot of debates on this site huh, **** that is fabulous....everyone likes debating you because you have great intelect...hey Im sorry dude I did not realize who I was getting into it with and for that I am humbled and I apologize a ton.

Now for another lesson ****head...

First off quit bringing up Chop Chop ok, **** chop chop...I know you educated me on the old "styles make fights" things (which I am greatful for because I had never heard of that saying until you taught it too me) but please quit bringing up Chop Chop Corley.

Hey DLT if Zoo gets ko'd by Corrales and Corrales gets ko'd by Hamed who do you like in a Zoo vs. Prince matchup...let me guess dip****, u-pickem, right?

DLT, you said that Naz beat some very solid fighters...who...Paul Ingle was ok and taylor made for NAz...Tom Johnson was old, Kevin Kelley who used Naz like a yo yo was not even a big puncher and he ws way past his prime...Augie Sanchez had Naz in real trouble too bad he has the worst chin that this sport has ever seen (ask John Michael Johnson about Augie's chin), Bungu was way gone when they fought, Cesar Soto v. HAmed was about as bad as you can look against fodder...what was Naz's signature victory? What the **** was it?

So if Augie and Kelley can have Naz in serious trouble what the hell do you think a guy like Corrales would do? Im sorry DLT I forgot about the southpaw stance, your right there is no way that Corrales could touch him sorry I forgot...

Start a thread DLT on HAmed vs. Corrales, all of your predictions come tru so when the poll is 99 to 1 against the Prince you will be a legend if it ever materialized right?

Oh, I have to question your age a bit...anyone who truly knows the sport is not stupid enough to say that all of there predictions come true, or say Im always right...DLT-I won a hefty some on Rock v. Lewis 1 but I did not go parading around like a dumb**** calling my self the nosterdamis of boxing, I made a nice amount on Hopkins v. Tito when the majority thought that Tito would be too strong but yet again I kept humble because I know that for every time I am right you can count a time I am wrong as well. So saying your predictions are always on the mark makes me think that I could not even buy you a beer.

DLT listen up...When I was 10 years old I had a subscription to Bert Sugar's Boxing Illustrated and every month I used to write a couple letters to the editor-back then it was basically a slow paced message board among us cult fans. At that point in my life I loved the sport just like you but I was young and stupid...well just like you. Once in a while a real pugilist of the sport would stomp on my argument and I would have to go back to the drawing board and figure what the **** was so bad about my argument.

Dlt, you need to take a look at your argument a little closer, Zoo gets Ko'd by Corrales and Corrales gets Ko'd by HAmed...Have you ever played Mike Tyson's punchout DLT? It should have migrated across the pond by now, right? Well here is hoping you have because if you ever make it too Mighty Mike (no not arnoutis, tyson DLT-jesus christ get on the same ****ing page)anyways and you are able to last the first round Mike will say something too little mac that I am going to say to you now...

DLT, go home and practice, your skills do not match mine!

Oh, by the way don't believe too many people on this site when they say you have good knowledge of the sport and that they like debating with you, promise me you won't take that to heart ok bud, they like me have realized your age and are simply being nice. Take it easy DLT-you will now be forever my boy and make sure to PM me when you turn 21, I owe you a beer!

Love your pal SCAP.

[QUOTE=scap]Oh man DLT you are my idol, you have had a lot of debates on this site huh, **** that is fabulous....everyone likes debating you because you have great intelect...hey Im sorry dude I did not realize who I was getting into it with and for that I am humbled and I apologize a ton.

Now for another lesson ****head...

First off quit bringing up Chop Chop ok, **** chop chop...I know you educated me on the old "styles make fights" things (which I am greatful for because I had never heard of that saying until you taught it too me) but please quit bringing up Chop Chop Corley.

Hey DLT if Zoo gets ko'd by Corrales and Corrales gets ko'd by Hamed who do you like in a Zoo vs. Prince matchup...let me guess dip****, u-pickem, right?

DLT, you said that Naz beat some very solid fighters...who...Paul Ingle was ok and taylor made for NAz...Tom Johnson was old, Kevin Kelley who used Naz like a yo yo was not even a big puncher and he ws way past his prime...Augie Sanchez had Naz in real trouble too bad he has the worst chin that this sport has ever seen (ask John Michael Johnson about Augie's chin), Bungu was way gone when they fought, Cesar Soto v. HAmed was about as bad as you can look against fodder...what was Naz's signature victory? What the **** was it?

So if Augie and Kelley can have Naz in serious trouble what the hell do you think a guy like Corrales would do? Im sorry DLT I forgot about the southpaw stance, your right there is no way that Corrales could touch him sorry I forgot...

Start a thread DLT on HAmed vs. Corrales, all of your predictions come tru so when the poll is 99 to 1 against the Prince you will be a legend if it ever materialized right?

Oh, I have to question your age a bit...anyone who truly knows the sport is not stupid enough to say that all of there predictions come true, or say Im always right...DLT-I won a hefty some on Rock v. Lewis 1 but I did not go parading around like a dumb**** calling my self the nosterdamis of boxing, I made a nice amount on Hopkins v. Tito when the majority thought that Tito would be too strong but yet again I kept humble because I know that for every time I am right you can count a time I am wrong as well. So saying your predictions are always on the mark makes me think that I could not even buy you a beer.

DLT listen up...When I was 10 years old I had a subscription to Bert Sugar's Boxing Illustrated and every month I used to write a couple letters to the editor-back then it was basically a slow paced message board among us cult fans. At that point in my life I loved the sport just like you but I was young and stupid...well just like you. Once in a while a real pugilist of the sport would stomp on my argument and I would have to go back to the drawing board and figure what the **** was so bad about my argument.

Dlt, you need to take a look at your argument a little closer, Zoo gets Ko'd by Corrales and Corrales gets Ko'd by HAmed...Have you ever played Mike Tyson's punchout DLT? It should have migrated across the pond by now, right? Well here is hoping you have because if you ever make it too Mighty Mike (no not arnoutis, tyson DLT-jesus christ get on the same ****ing page)anyways and you are able to last the first round Mike will say something too little mac that I am going to say to you now...

DLT, go home and practice, your skills do not match mine!

Oh, by the way don't believe too many people on this site when they say you have good knowledge of the sport and that they like debating with you, promise me you won't take that to heart ok bud, they like me have realized your age and are simply being nice. Take it easy DLT-you will now be forever my boy and make sure to PM me when you turn 21, I owe you a beer!

Love your pal SCAP.




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Oh man DLT you are my idol, you have had a lot of debates on this site huh, **** that is fabulous....everyone likes debating you because you have great intelect...hey Im sorry dude I did not realize who I was getting into it with and for that I am humbled and I apologize a ton.

Now for another lesson ****head...

First off quit bringing up Chop Chop ok, **** chop chop...I know you educated me on the old "styles make fights" things (which I am greatful for because I had never heard of that saying until you taught it too me) but please quit bringing up Chop Chop Corley.

Hey DLT if Zoo gets ko'd by Corrales and Corrales gets ko'd by Hamed who do you like in a Zoo vs. Prince matchup...let me guess dip****, u-pickem, right?

DLT, you said that Naz beat some very solid fighters...who...Paul Ingle was ok and taylor made for NAz...Tom Johnson was old, Kevin Kelley who used Naz like a yo yo was not even a big puncher and he ws way past his prime...Augie Sanchez had Naz in real trouble too bad he has the worst chin that this sport has ever seen (ask John Michael Johnson about Augie's chin), Bungu was way gone when they fought, Cesar Soto v. HAmed was about as bad as you can look against fodder...what was Naz's signature victory? What the **** was it?

So if Augie and Kelley can have Naz in serious trouble what the hell do you think a guy like Corrales would do? Im sorry DLT I forgot about the southpaw stance, your right there is no way that Corrales could touch him sorry I forgot...

Start a thread DLT on HAmed vs. Corrales, all of your predictions come tru so when the poll is 99 to 1 against the Prince you will be a legend if it ever materialized right?

Oh, I have to question your age a bit...anyone who truly knows the sport is not stupid enough to say that all of there predictions come true, or say Im always right...DLT-I won a hefty some on Rock v. Lewis 1 but I did not go parading around like a dumb**** calling my self the nosterdamis of boxing, I made a nice amount on Hopkins v. Tito when the majority thought that Tito would be too strong but yet again I kept humble because I know that for every time I am right you can count a time I am wrong as well. So saying your predictions are always on the mark makes me think that I could not even buy you a beer.

DLT listen up...When I was 10 years old I had a subscription to Bert Sugar's Boxing Illustrated and every month I used to write a couple letters to the editor-back then it was basically a slow paced message board among us cult fans. At that point in my life I loved the sport just like you but I was young and stupid...well just like you. Once in a while a real pugilist of the sport would stomp on my argument and I would have to go back to the drawing board and figure what the **** was so bad about my argument.

Dlt, you need to take a look at your argument a little closer, Zoo gets Ko'd by Corrales and Corrales gets Ko'd by HAmed...Have you ever played Mike Tyson's punchout DLT? It should have migrated across the pond by now, right? Well here is hoping you have because if you ever make it too Mighty Mike (no not arnoutis, tyson DLT-jesus christ get on the same ****ing page)anyways and you are able to last the first round Mike will say something too little mac that I am going to say to you now...

DLT, go home and practice, your skills do not match mine!

Oh, by the way don't believe too many people on this site when they say you have good knowledge of the sport and that they like debating with you, promise me you won't take that to heart ok bud, they like me have realized your age and are simply being nice. Take it easy DLT-you will now be forever my boy and make sure to PM me when you turn 21, I owe you a beer!

Love your pal SCAP.
Oh Im sorry CRAP, did I hurt your feelings :( Boo ****in Hoo. Pull your skirt down *****. First of all littile girl I am not under 21. Second if you were writing to Burt Sugar at 10 then you were a weirdo who was probally frequently molested and just tried to get away. 3rd, I am sick of debating with your ass because you are clearly biased. You hate Naz and you are stuck on Tszyu's balls. Again this is about Chico at 130 clown. Is that like someone fighting a guy 6 divisions higher you idiot? He was 4 pounds bigger but you assume that Chico would just piss on him. How ignorant is that? No matter what you think happened in the Barrera fight, it wasnt a shutout and Naz was never really hurt. All those knock downs you mentioned were mostly because Naz was off balance and half of them were from him just touching the canvas with his gloves.

Meanwhile Chico was dropped by Floyd 5 times at 130 and he doesnt even punch that hard but your going to tell me that a guy at 126 who alot of people say was the hardest puncher in boxing has no chance? Get a clue idiot. Ask anyone who punched harder between Naz at 126 and Floyd at 130 *****. Im not even talking about pound for pound punching. If a guy got hit by Naz at 126 and Floyd at 130 then he would be hurt more by Naz and Floyd dropped Chico 1,2,3,4,5 times so why do you think Naz cant idiot. I mean thats what you say in defense. That if other guys can drop Naz then Chico can and I would easily admit that but when it's reverse you say it's no way possible that Naz can drop Chico? And then you throw out stupid **** like Tyson vs Achondo when Chico weighed just a few pounds more? Your a ****in clown ***** and is not even worth debating with no it all. Im not even a Naz fan clown. I guess when all these guys move up 1 weight class and KO guys then it didnt really happened? Your a idiot. Come back when you take off your thong and lip stick *****.

Your going to kill a guy who lost a decision to a all time great who completely changed his style and boxed and stayed on the outside the whole fight. Alot of people had it a 1 point fight after 9 rounds but you dont give him any chance against a guy who is just 4 pounds higher?

[Quote=as214] OWNED

Every thing I just said to CRAP goes for you *****. Stay in your place HO

hey do you guys remember when barerra slammed hammed into the ring post that was the best part of the fight

Hey Scap I remember you anyway. You argue with alot of people on here. You know why? Because your a know it all who only values his own opinion and your always right and you dont know how to talk to people. You dont have to be a ass to debate. If you dont agree with what I say then it's cool but when you start downing others then thats when people get upset. Who made you God and your word Bond? I remember I mad a post before and eveyone was cool but you came out of no where on your very first post and say "Hey DLT listen the **** up". What kind of **** is that? I didnt even say anything to you. Then you did the same on these post. Grow up dude

You *****ed about how the Chico-Castillo fight ended and you say that Castillo would win a rematch. You think Tszyu is God. Castillo is a similar fighter to Tszyu and weighs just as much at a lower weight class but you say Chico has no chance. Then you say Morales has no chance to beat Chico and will be destroyed. You asked me what has Naz done? What about Morales? He has done alot and is one weight class lower but he has no chance and Chico will destroy him? Your a joke. but Tszyu will easily destryo Chico when he is just one class higher because he is so much bigger? You make no sense clown and Im sick of argueing with you. Your like talking to a brick wall

Hamed had pretty leopard trunks...

hey do you guys remember when barerra slammed hammed into the ring post that was the best part of the fight
sadly, that WAS the best moment of the fight, Barrera must have been a Tito Santana fan growing up because that was a perfect face-buster :)

seriously though, this thread should be entitled "DorkFest 2005" with all of the pointless bickering, at least when I argue rambunciously i have somewhat of a point

Hamed had pretty leopard trunks...
and a haircut that would make Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber jealous :)

sadly, that WAS the best moment of the fight, Barrera must have been a Tito Santana fan growing up because that was a perfect face-buster :)

seriously though, this thread should be entitled "DorkFest 2005" with all of the pointless bickering, at least when I argue rambunciously i have somewhat of a point
Shut up *****. Another Clown who thinks he is smarter then everyone else and his points make more sense. What makes your post more valueble then others littile girl

I personally know that MY posts are better then everybody else's because I am never wrong. Before you all flame me due to your intense jealousy allow me to point out that this is also a great burden which none of you understand since you are always wrong. I sometimes have try to embelish my constant correctness with humor since it is not always the most exciting thing to be right all the time. If any of you need me to clear anything up for you, with my always rightness, then I will be glad to do so. So DLT and SacTown- don't be afraid to ask.

Shut up *****. Another Clown who thinks he is smarter then everyone else and his points make more sense. What makes your post more valueble then others littile girl
ouch "littile" girl, if you're gonna try to burn someone, at least get your spelling right, it'll make your argument more "valueble"

you guys took up about 5 paragraphs with pointless burns that weren't even funny, at least make me laugh a "littile" bit

ouch "littile" girl, if you're gonna try to burn someone, at least get your spelling right, it'll make your argument more "valueble"

you guys took up about 5 paragraphs with pointless burns that weren't even funny, at least make me laugh a "littile" bit
It's not supposed to be funny when someone comes at you wrong. Like I said, I dont mind debating with someone or people disagreeing with me but dont come at me with personal disrespect because that is what women do, not real men. Thats why I responded to him that way and you. If you dont come at me wrong, then I wont come at you wrong

the first couple of pages of this thread is precisly what i was gettin at where people say that Hamed lost more than Barrera won.

But at the time i was arguing the same point i was up against bum lickers and they were blatently being ignorant of the fact that Naz only lost on a 12 round decision not a round 1 KO like what he done to every1 in his career.

Oh yea btw if u have that fight could u send it to me pleeeease??

At last some1 hu is prepared to fight the cause for Naseem and then be willing to welcome him back into the ring. i have posted many times on his return but all i get is "shut up hes not coming back" from the fuk faces on this forum.

I just rewatched it today for the first time since it happened. I did it because I havent seen the Prince in so long and it's good to go back and watch old film to remember what guys look like. Here is what I noticed:

MAB clearly won the fight but it wasnt a all out dominant performance like I remembered. I thought he killed the Prince but the Prince actually had some moments and won a few rounds. I thought he won like 4 rounds but I didnt all the way keep track. People made it seem like MAB dominated him but he really didnt that much. I noticed how the ultimate warrior Barrera showed Hamed the ultimate respect. He didnt want to brawl for nothing and stayed on the outside in kind of a punk way if you ask me. He was clearly out boxing the Prince but he didnt land that many hard shots. Most of the punches looked far worst because of the Prince's style of keeping his hands down and always being off balance. The Prince was also bigger then I remebered.

I heard Foreman talking about how the Prince is keeping his hands down by his side the whole fight but Barrera still wont run in and try to hit him or catch him. If MAB fought Hamed like he fights most of the time then I think the Prince KO's him. Im a guy with a good eye and I can notice things in bad situations. Most would say that the Prince stinks and was exposed by MAB. However I came away thinking that the Prince if actually more talented then Barrera but just had a bad style. I think if he had a great trainer that would teach him to be more orthodox then he could be a top pound for pound guy and easily one of the best out there and maybe all time. I think the Prince would kill Pac Man and I love Chico but I actually think that he would KO Chico also

This dude had mad talent and power. I forgot how good he was and I wasnt even a fan of his but just watching him in his worst fight I could see that this kid had tremendous talent and if Barrera didnt fight the way he never has then he wouldnt have won. He has never fought that way. That was around the time when Barrera turned into a boxer but even as a boxer he never showed anyone the respect he showed Hamed. He didnt over commit for nothing. It was kind of like Oscar vs Tito. Most thought Oscar was schooling him but I thought he was mostly running even in the early rounds. It's different if thats your style like Spinks or Sweet Pea but if you are a fighter like MAB and Oscar was then that is like running. Take the Tito and Hopkins fight. Hopkins boxed but he still managed to trade alot with Tito. Oscar didnt and neither did MAB unless he was really sure that Hamed couldnt land back. I wish I could see dude fight again. Boxing need guys with different personalites like that. How great would it be to see him hone his skills and fight Pac, Morales, Chico, Castillo, and others?

well said and nice to see a refreshing point of view on Naseem rather than the player haters who occupy the forum.

I think the brit commentaters were brutally honest with there boy.
Nobody liked Hamed in Britain by the time he fought Barrera, infact we bloody hated him. In his last fight in Britain, he was booed relentlessly! Only you Yanks liked him.

Oh Im sorry CRAP, did I hurt your feelings :( Boo ****in Hoo. Pull your skirt down *****. First of all littile girl I am not under 21. Second if you were writing to Burt Sugar at 10 then you were a weirdo who was probally frequently molested and just tried to get away. 3rd, I am sick of debating with your ass because you are clearly biased. You hate Naz and you are stuck on Tszyu's balls. Again this is about Chico at 130 clown. Is that like someone fighting a guy 6 divisions higher you idiot? He was 4 pounds bigger but you assume that Chico would just piss on him. How ignorant is that? No matter what you think happened in the Barrera fight, it wasnt a shutout and Naz was never really hurt. All those knock downs you mentioned were mostly because Naz was off balance and half of them were from him just touching the canvas with his gloves.

Meanwhile Chico was dropped by Floyd 5 times at 130 and he doesnt even punch that hard but your going to tell me that a guy at 126 who alot of people say was the hardest puncher in boxing has no chance? Get a clue idiot. Ask anyone who punched harder between Naz at 126 and Floyd at 130 *****. Im not even talking about pound for pound punching. If a guy got hit by Naz at 126 and Floyd at 130 then he would be hurt more by Naz and Floyd dropped Chico 1,2,3,4,5 times so why do you think Naz cant idiot. I mean thats what you say in defense. That if other guys can drop Naz then Chico can and I would easily admit that but when it's reverse you say it's no way possible that Naz can drop Chico? And then you throw out stupid **** like Tyson vs Achondo when Chico weighed just a few pounds more? Your a ****in clown ***** and is not even worth debating with no it all. Im not even a Naz fan clown. I guess when all these guys move up 1 weight class and KO guys then it didnt really happened? Your a idiot. Come back when you take off your thong and lip stick *****.

Your going to kill a guy who lost a decision to a all time great who completely changed his style and boxed and stayed on the outside the whole fight. Alot of people had it a 1 point fight after 9 rounds but you dont give him any chance against a guy who is just 4 pounds higher?


I dont know if you really followed what I was saying, you have taken me completely out of context countless times which hurts my feelings. I am glad you took the time to peek at my history on the boards...pretty impressive isn't it, just yesterday I was showing my mom all of the posts that I had done and she had commented on my wonderful body of work but like you she also commented on some of the negativity that Ooze out of my posts...Did you get the whole joke about Mike Arnoutis and Mike Tyson? You brought up Anchondo which was not very surprising, DLT I am a writer and when you miss the boat on what I have to say I just look stupid, is that really fair for me-no it is not fair, gosh.

DLT When I have been outlcassed I know it and you certainly have shown me to be in another...well...I dont know what you have shown me to be but lets just say it is not good for me. Hey Pal I still owe you that beer so...ah forget it Im too embarrssed-talk to you later DLT...

I dont know if you really followed what I was saying, you have taken me completely out of context countless times which hurts my feelings. I am glad you took the time to peek at my history on the boards...pretty impressive isn't it, just yesterday I was showing my mom all of the posts that I had done and she had commented on my wonderful body of work but like you she also commented on some of the negativity that Ooze out of my posts...Did you get the whole joke about Mike Arnoutis and Mike Tyson? You brought up Anchondo which was not very surprising, DLT I am a writer and when you miss the boat on what I have to say I just look stupid, is that really fair for me-no it is not fair, gosh.

DLT When I have been outlcassed I know it and you certainly have shown me to be in another...well...I dont know what you have shown me to be but lets just say it is not good for me. Hey Pal I still owe you that beer so...ah forget it Im too embarrssed-talk to you later DLT...
Regardless of who you were talking about the context of what you were saying was that Naz is very littile and Chico is so big that he would kill him. Lets just squash it but I want you to know where Im coming from. I dont care if someone disagree's with me until pigs fly but just dont disrespect me if I didnt do that to you. If we keep the respect then Im cool. You can say to me "are you insane or are you crazy, or no way", but once you started going over that line then it's too far.

Sorry about that molestation thing. Thats not me and for me to say something like that means I was really pissed but theres no excuse because its not a funny topic

Regardless of who you were talking about the context of what you were saying was that Naz is very littile and Chico is so big that he would kill him. Lets just squash it but I want you to know where Im coming from. I dont care if someone disagree's with me until pigs fly but just dont disrespect me if I didnt do that to you. If we keep the respect then Im cool. You can say to me "are you insane or are you crazy, or no way", but once you started going over that line then it's too far.

Sorry about that molestation thing. Thats not me and for me to say something like that means I was really pissed but theres no excuse because its not a funny topic

All boxingscene members should take a moment to notice how myself and DLT handled our little scrap...we didn't exchange addresses or arrange a time for both of us to meat and to crush skulls upon meeting...we agreed to disagree whcih is completely lovely and is also something that should be done on a more regular basis...after all we are all family here at boxingscene right?