In many of the recent interviews made to Trinidad Sr. he states that after viewing the replay of the fight he thinks that the trunks wear by Winky were illegal, he states that the trunk belt line was to big and thick...And they used it as a form to block Trinidad body punches...

Can trunks be illegal? What’s your opinion on Trinidad Sr. claim? Just an excuse or a valid point?


http://www.boxingscene.com/borikua/3.jpg

Is that photoshopped? I thought his trunks were extra padded, but he's not supposed to hit there anyhow, is he?

EDIT: He's tightening his stomach there, or it's a weird angle. Look at the fight itself, they aren't THAT padded.

Is that photoshopped? I thought his trunks were extra padded, but he's not supposed to hit there anyhow, is he?

EDIT: He's tightening his stomach there. Look at the fight itself, they aren't THAT padded.

Nah its a photo from hboppv.com...

http://www.hboppv.com/past_events/photo_galleries/trinidad_wright/4.jpg
http://www.hboppv.com/past_events/photo_galleries/trinidad_wright/6.jpg

http://www.hboppv.com/past_events/photo_galleries/trinidad_wright/13.jpg

I posted that last photo some days ago. I think that his trunks were big but I don't know if big enough to be illegal. DLH really had some illegal ones against Vargas. Anyway, I think Trinidad lost because his game plan was not the best. He did some wrong things, which I mentioned on another thread.

I posted that last photo some days ago. I think that his trunks were big but I don't know if big enough to be illegal. DLH really had some illegal ones against Vargas. Anyway, I think Trinidad lost because his game plan was not the best. He did some wrong things, which I mentioned on another thread.

I know that he didn't loose cuz of the trunks, but can trunks be considered illegal? Are there any rules on how the trunks can be wear or made?

damn THE WORDING IS HUGE ON HIS TRUNKS..it covers up his naval..although the trunks are big I dont think the result would ahve bene different if he wore something different it may have bene closer but not close enough

Is that photoshopped? I thought his trunks were extra padded, but he's not supposed to hit there anyhow, is he?

EDIT: He's tightening his stomach there, or it's a weird angle. Look at the fight itself, they aren't THAT padded.


Most refs allow fighters to get away with hitting high on the belt line. In the case of Winky's trunks, Tito was getting lowblow calls from punches that would of been legal body shots had the trunks been at his waistline.

ya know what? Wright got them trunks especially THICK made bcuz he know Tito would try sumthing sneaky, ehem low blows.

Or if Winky heard this news, his comeback would be:

" Ya well, Tito's trunks was way too ****in small" LOL!

Who cares about his trunks.. did Trinidad even land??

LOL

Who cares about his trunks.. did Trinidad even land??

LOL

He was hitting his trunks now and then. He didn't thow enough punches for it to make a difference, though.

wow now trinidad nuthuggers are starting to get worse than pac nuthuggers. the fight is over tito lost fair and square and just hope cotto stays away from zab-kostya-mosley and oscar

wow now trinidad nuthuggers are starting to get worse than pac nuthuggers. the fight is over tito lost fair and square and just hope cotto stays away from zab-kostya-mosley and oscar

***** i'm not makin excuses, he lost...I can't talk about the fight cuz I'm a Tito fan...**** you puto...

I was wondering myself why the Ref kept cautioning Tito, because Winky did have his trunks very high.

***** i'm not makin excuses, he lost...I can't talk about the fight cuz I'm a Tito fan...**** you puto...
lol i can tell the fight still hurts. u could talk about the fight just talk about how tito couldnt get away from winkys jab not about winkys ****ing trunks. ur just sore ***** :boxing:

lol i can tell the fight still hurts. u could talk about the fight just talk about how tito couldnt get away from winkys jab not about winkys ****ing trunks. ur just sore ***** :boxing:
***** you just mad cause Chavez is number 8, 7 spaces below Trinidad on Boxrec's rankings, hahaha, that what he get for quiting against Oscar the Chicken.

***** you just mad cause Chavez is number 8, 7 spaces below Trinidad on Boxrec's rankings, hahaha, that what he get for quiting against Oscar the Chicken.
like i said on the other thread boxrec's rankings dont matter if u believe that list u dont know boxing. thats a bull**** list and every boxing fan knows it. :D

***** you just mad cause Chavez is number 8, 7 spaces below Trinidad on Boxrec's rankings, hahaha, that what he get for quiting against Oscar the Chicken.


You little boricua *****..147 wasnt even Chavez ideal weight and he still would have easily beaten Cheato Triniwrap there!! BoxRec rates Vinny Paz ahead of Roy Jones!! You are even dumber than I thought!! Your ***** fighter is a coward!! How humiliated were you when the PR flag was thrown on the ground and Tito *****ed out.. How about when Winky made him cry and run back to PR..

like i said on the other thread boxrec's rankings dont matter if u believe that list u dont know boxing. thats a bull**** list and every boxing fan knows it. :D
I dont think I saw Morales or Barrera either :( , let me put on my glasses to see if I can find them....

Two top Mexicans, four top Puerto Ricans hmmmm, interesting :D
dont ya think Memorex?

Two top Mexicans, four top Puerto Ricans hmmmm, interesting :D

Dude, come on, you know those rankings are bull****. Ray Robinson, who's considered by EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT BOXING as the greatest pound for pound fighter ever, is #2 in his division, and Marvin Hagler is #1. Hagler was good, but he was NOWHERE NEAR Robinson's level. Not many fighters are.

I think you're probably doing this to piss people off, but I am not sure.

You little boricua *****..147 wasnt even Chavez ideal weight and he still would have easily beaten Cheato Triniwrap there!! BoxRec rates Vinny Paz ahead of Roy Jones!! You are even dumber than I thought!! Your ***** fighter is a coward!! How humiliated were you when the PR flag was thrown on the ground and Tito *****ed out.. How about when Winky made him cry and run back to PR..

I have to disagree, not because I am a Trinidad fan, but because I think that 147 was Trinidad's ideal weight and Chávez was almost shot by the time he moved to welter. Trinidad was a beast at 147 and actually relied more on boxing(something he forgot as he started to get more Ko's) and his reach advantage over Chávez was enough to give Julio a hard time. I think Trinidad would have won a close decision.

Dude, come on, you know those rankings are bull****. Ray Robinson, who's considered by EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT BOXING as the greatest pound for pound fighter ever, is #2 in his division, and Marvin Hagler is #1. Hagler was good, but he was NOWHERE NEAR Robinson's level. Not many fighters are.

I think you're probably doing this to piss people off, but I am not sure.
i sure hope he is. this guy cant be serious. hey i watchboxing how did u feel when cintron was trying to give antonio head in the ring,man he was trying really hard to get his trunks off :eek:

I have to disagree, not because I am a Trinidad fan, but because I think that 147 was Trinidad's ideal weight and Chávez was almost shot by the time he moved to welter. Trinidad was a beast at 147 and actually relied more on boxing(something he forgot as he started to get more Ko's) and his reach advantage over Chávez was enough to give Julio a hard time. I think Trinidad would have won a close decision.


The Meldrick Taylor or Chavez at 147 both would have boxed circles around Trinidad!! What could Tito have done to either one of them to beat them.. Taylor would have made him look silly and Chavez would have brutalized him!!

Dude, come on, you know those rankings are bull****. Ray Robinson, who's considered by EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT BOXING as the greatest pound for pound fighter ever, is #2 in his division, and Marvin Hagler is #1. Hagler was good, but he was NOWHERE NEAR Robinson's level. Not many fighters are.

I think you're probably doing this to piss people off, but I am not sure.
He might be best Pound for Pounder, but Hagler lived and breathed his Middleweight divsion, either way you want to look at it, all those #1 fighters including Trinidad deserve top ten status in their weight divsions.

The Meldrick Taylor or Chavez at 147 both would have boxed circles around Trinidad!! What could Tito have done to either one of them to beat them.. Taylor would have made him look silly and Chavez would have brutalized him!!

Trinidad was way stronger than DLH at 147 and look what Oscar did to Chávez. The fight would have been different because Oscar used fast combinations, something that was not Trinidad's bread & butter. However, I think Trinidad would have put pressure on Chávez who was out of his ideal division and had lost some of his reflexes by the mid 90's. From 1993 to 1995, I think Chávez had the edge. 1996 and on, Trinidad had matured and Chávez was already a warrior of 1000 battles. Still, a great "what if" fight.

In many of the recent interviews made to Trinidad Sr. he states that after viewing the replay of the fight he thinks that the trunks wear by Winky were illegal, he states that the trunk belt line was to big and thick...And they used it as a form to block Trinidad body punches...

Can trunks be illegal? What’s your opinion on Trinidad Sr. claim? Just an excuse or a valid point?


http://www.boxingscene.com/borikua/3.jpg


excuses, excuses, excuses. Why after every profile fight, does the loser or someone from his camp cry foul? ****.

excuses, excuses, excuses. Why after every profile fight, does the loser or someone from his camp cry foul? ****.


Its a lack of character..like father , like son.. Where do you think Tito learned to be a coward.. If he was raised by a real man would he have reired after losing both fights out of shame?

Its a lack of character..like father , like son.. Where do you think Tito learned to be a coward.. If he was raised by a real man would he have reired after losing both fights out of shame?

Did you read my "What Could Have" of Trinidad and Chávez? Any reactions?

Did you read my "What Could Have" of Trinidad and Chávez? Any reactions?
prime chavez would beat a prime tito in my opinion. it would be a great fight and i think it would come down to heart and come on who has more heart and determination than chavez, just ask meldrick ;)

Did you read my "What Could Have" of Trinidad and Chávez? Any reactions?


Yes..You talk about what Oscar did to Chavez.. The Chavez that fought DLH at 147 was six years removed from his fight at 147 against Taylor.. DLH was a better welterweight than Tito also!! Tito would have beaten the 1996 Chavez at 147.. But he would have never beat the 1990 Chavez at 147 that fought Taylor!! Chavez was relentless and he had skill.. He would have broken Tito down and he would have done it for twelve rounds.. Imagine if DLH had stamina aginst Tito.. he would have won every round instead of just 8 of them.. Chavez wouldnt have that problem.. Also Meldrick Taylor would have probably pitched a shutout aginst Tito.. If not easily winning a UD anyway

Yes..You talk about what Oscar did to Chavez.. The Chavez that fought DLH at 147 was six years removed from his fight at 147 against Taylor.. DLH was a better welterweight than Tito also!! Tito would have beaten the 1996 Chavez at 147.. But he would have never beat the 1990 Chavez at 147 that fought Taylor!! Chavez was relentless and he had skill.. He would have broken Tito down and he would have done it for twelve rounds.. Imagine if DLH had stamina aginst Tito.. he would have won every round instead of just 8 of them.. Chavez wouldnt have that problem.. Also Meldrick Taylor would have probably pitched a shutout aginst Tito.. If not easily winning a UD anyway

The 1990 fight between Chávez and Taylor was at 140. That's why I said that Chávez was out of his weight class at welter.

The 1990 fight between Chávez and Taylor was at 140. That's why I said that Chávez was out of his weight class at welter.


My bad!! I think Tito might pull that one off but it would be very close...

My bad!! I think Tito might pull that one off but it would be very close...

That was my initial post. A close decision win for Trinidad but not guaranteed. Nice argumentative conversation. Much better than bashing ourselves.

He might be best Pound for Pounder, but Hagler lived and breathed his Middleweight divsion, either way you want to look at it, all those #1 fighters including Trinidad deserve top ten status in their weight divsions.

How can someone be the best against anyone anywhere, and not of his own division? That doesn't make any sense at all.

My bad!! I think Tito might pull that one off but it would be very close...
If Oscar made Chavez quit in four at 33 years of age (same as Trinidad now I think), Trinidad would had KO'd him in one round less or more, if you look at their records, they've fought some pf the same people.

If Oscar made Chavez quit in four at 33 years of age (same as Trinidad now I think), Trinidad would had KO'd him in one round less or more, if you look at their records, they've fought some pf the same people, and won similary.

Yeah, but both in their respective primes, Chavez wins.

How can someone be the best against anyone anywhere, and not of his own division? That doesn't make any sense at all.

It sounds strange but it could be. Remember that Robinson also was an accomplished welterweight, so if you consider that he was a multi-division champion and see his overall accomplishments, this could give him a higher P4P status and being the best in one division in particular is not a given. Hagler was not multi-division, but he is perhaps the most dominant middleweight ever.

Yeah, but both in their respective primes, Chavez wins.
How to you come to that conclusion? At 33 he might have fallen off a bit but he was straight owned in that fight, and quit, before that fightv he had only one loss, I think in his prime, which was like only two or three years back, Oscar and Trinidad might of KO'd him late or UD'd him like Whitaker, check the Signature.

Yeah, but both in their respective primes, Chavez wins.

Keep in mind that Chávez' prime was at 135-140 while Trinidad's was at 147-154. The size would definitely be a factor to consider.

Keep in mind that Chávez' prime was at 135-140 while Trinidad's was at 147-154. The size would definitely be a factor to consider.

I'm talking on a pound for pound scale, since this is only a theoretical fight.

It sounds strange but it could be. Remember that Robinson also was an accomplished welterweight, so if you consider that he was a multi-division champion and see his overall accomplishments, this could give him a higher P4P status and being the best in one division in particular is not a given. Hagler was not multi-division, but he is perhaps the most dominant middleweight ever.

No, boxrec's ratings are just bull****. Joe Louis is ranked 11 at heavyweight. That ALONE says enough.

If Oscar made Chavez quit in four at 33 years of age (same as Trinidad now I think), Trinidad would had KO'd him in one round less or more, if you look at their records, they've fought some pf the same people.
chavez at the age of 33 fought over a hundred fights so thats not fair saying that. i wanna see tito at the age of 33 and fighting over a hundred fights and lets see what he does against a prime oscar nuff said.

No, boxrec's ratings are just bull****. Joe Louis is ranked 11 at heavyweight. That ALONE says enough.

Nah, **** Boxrec. I mean in general, you will find a lot of fans and experts who will say that Hagler is the best middle ever.

chavez at the age of 33 fought over a hundred fights so thats not fair saying that. i wanna see tito at the age of 33 and fighting over a hundred fights and lets see what he does against a prime oscar nuff said.
Trinidad fought more fights than Chavesz, Casamayor had over 400 amatur fights in Cuba, its not how many times you fight, its who you fight.

Did Pacquaio and the Trinidads have a pow-wow on this one?

DAMN! just give it up, tito lost fair and square.
I hope these type of threads die off already before they get to be like " If Paq woulda ..."

winky could have went into the fight with no trunks and the result would have been the same.tito didnt adjust in the ring.he had one game plan and no backup plan.he was like a deer being caught in headlights.and his corner was stupid for not telling him that he needed to do something different.by at least the 9th round he should have known that what he was doing wasnt working and should have changed tatics.