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IwatchBoxing
05-25-2005, 01:12 PM
Heavyweight - 1.Muhammad Ali, 1960 - 1981 56-5-0 (USA)
Cruiserweight - 1.Carlos DeLeon 1974 - 1995 52-8-1 (PR)
Light Heavyweight - 1.Archie Moore 1935 - 1963 186-24-11 (USA)
Super Middleweight - 1.Steve Collins 1986 - 1997 36-3-0
Middleweight - 1.Marvin Hagler 1973 - 1987 62-3-2 (USA)
Light Middleweight - 1.Thomas Hearns,1977 - 2000 59-5-1 (USA)
Welterweight - 1.Felix Trinidad 1990 - 2005 42-2-0 (PR)
Light Welterweight- 1.Wilfred Benitez 1973 - 1990 53-8-1 (PR)
Lightweight- 1.Lou Ambers 1932 - 1941 94-8-7 (USA)
Super Featherweight- 1.Azumah Nelson 1979 - 1998 39-5-2
Featherweight- 1.Vicente Saldivar 1961 - 1973 37-3-0 (MEXI)
Super Bantamweight - 1.Wilfredo Gomez 1974 - 1989 44-3-1 (PR)
Bantamweight- 1.Fighting Harada 1960 - 1970 55-7-0 (JAPAN)
Super Flyweight - 1.Sung Kil Moon 1987 - 1993 20-2-0
Flyweight- 1.Sot Chitalada 1983 - 1992 26-4-1
Light Flyweight- 1.Michael Carbajal 1989 - 1999 49-4-0 (USA)
Minimumweight- 1.Ricardo Lopez 1985 - 2001 51-0-1 (MEXI)

cple
05-25-2005, 06:42 PM
Boxrec's rankings are always messed up.

wmute
05-25-2005, 07:27 PM
Heavyweight - 1.Muhammad Ali, 1960 - 1981 56-5-0 (USA)
Cruiserweight - 1.Carlos DeLeon 1974 - 1995 52-8-1 (PR)
Light Heavyweight - 1.Archie Moore 1935 - 1963 186-24-11 (USA)
Super Middleweight - 1.Steve Collins 1986 - 1997 36-3-0
Middleweight - 1.Marvin Hagler 1973 - 1987 62-3-2 (USA)
Light Middleweight - 1.Thomas Hearns,1977 - 2000 59-5-1 (USA)
Welterweight - 1.Felix Trinidad 1990 - 2005 42-2-0 (PR)
Light Welterweight- 1.Wilfred Benitez 1973 - 1990 53-8-1 (PR)
Lightweight- 1.Lou Ambers 1932 - 1941 94-8-7 (USA)
Super Featherweight- 1.Azumah Nelson 1979 - 1998 39-5-2
Featherweight- 1.Vicente Saldivar 1961 - 1973 37-3-0 (MEXI)
Super Bantamweight - 1.Wilfredo Gomez 1974 - 1989 44-3-1 (PR)
Bantamweight- 1.Fighting Harada 1960 - 1970 55-7-0 (JAPAN)
Super Flyweight - 1.Sung Kil Moon 1987 - 1993 20-2-0
Flyweight- 1.Sot Chitalada 1983 - 1992 26-4-1
Light Flyweight- 1.Michael Carbajal 1989 - 1999 49-4-0 (USA)
Minimumweight- 1.Ricardo Lopez 1985 - 2001 51-0-1 (MEXI)

we can print this and use it as toilet paper

just like with the present boxrec rankings (oh haven't looked at them in a while, cos the last few times i checked they sucked so bad, I think their ranking system is automated, that's why it always sucks, and that's why it make morons happy)

IwatchBoxing
05-25-2005, 07:31 PM
we can print this and use it as toilet paper

just like with the present boxrec rankings (oh haven't looked at them in a while, cos the last few times i checked they sucked so bad, I think their ranking system is automated, that's why it always sucks, and that's why it make morons happy)
:bottle: Wan Wannn, an unbiased computer catulated the Rankings, they have all the right fighters, what is so wrong with the list know it all, P.S your moma is a moron.

wmute
05-25-2005, 07:43 PM
:bottle: Wan Wannn, an unbiased computer catulated the Rankings, they have all the right fighters, what is so wrong with the list know it all, P.S your moma is a moron.

leave my moma alone in the 1st place, and tell you what I ll start a thread on how much sense the rankings make... so we settle this quickly and with little insults involved

unbiased computer... do you know that humans write the programs that run on computers?

also the program runs on boxrec data, which does not tell you everything about a fighter

and those rankings are so crappy that ray robinson is not rated among welters, good god

wmute
05-25-2005, 07:48 PM
ok you gave me bad karma... you are a moron as i supposed

Manny_P
05-25-2005, 07:55 PM
Tito Trinidad? Whoa!

cple
05-25-2005, 09:31 PM
Iwatchboxing...do you honestly trust such ratings? I wouldn't trust a source that ranks Ingemar Johansson and Jimmy Bivins as two of the top 10 heavyweights of all-time. They also rank Buster Douglas at 14. There is clearly a flaw in their system.

Rick Reeno
05-26-2005, 01:37 AM
Buster Douglas should not even be in the top 50. Their system runs on a PHP script which works with points, certain fighters are worth certain points and a fighter's overall point count gives them their standing. Such as Chris Byrd being their number one P4P fighter. The system is biased because the owner gives each fighter a point value that "he" feels they should have. For Douglas to be 14 on the top heavyweights list of all-time means that he must have a high point value on Mike Tyson.

hellfire508
05-26-2005, 05:52 AM
These rankings are rubbish. They are compiled using computers, which is why they are so lame. The heavyweight list doesnt include Louis or Holmes in the top 10, and Dempsey and Johnson are outside the 50. :confused:

RockyMarciano
05-29-2005, 01:55 PM
The rankings are by points not by popularity...but yeah

Slipx
05-29-2005, 03:10 PM
iwatch you gotta take into consideration the opposition trinidad was facing,his first what,10-20 fights,were against nobodies from PR.thats why hes so goddamn one dimensional today-well theres 2 reasons for that-1-his dads a ****ty trainer-2-he built his record up on nobodies and in return he suffered because hes inexperienced against any non-1-dimensional fighter(mayorga,joppy,both 1 dimensional)

IwatchBoxing
05-31-2005, 01:51 AM
Iwatchboxing...do you honestly trust such ratings? I wouldn't trust a source that ranks Ingemar Johansson and Jimmy Bivins as two of the top 10 heavyweights of all-time. They also rank Buster Douglas at 14. There is clearly a flaw in their system.
Well, it might be off, but it gives a good picture of what to expect. Their current rankings seem to be good, and they got Carmen Basilio ranked at 10 like you ;) .
http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php

dsh2005
06-07-2005, 02:11 PM
Super Middleweight Steve Collins????????????? I Think Not

roberson2u
06-10-2005, 02:59 AM
Some very interesting choices...LOL

Tha Greatest
06-10-2005, 07:52 PM
IWATCHBOXING, if you think Trinidad is the greatest 147 ever and listen to boxrec.com

then you are a dumb ****

I gotta friend from my gym, he's in Puerto Rico right now for a tournament...

and he's gonna beat the **** out of every single one of them...

SonnyG8R
06-11-2005, 05:05 PM
Heavyweight - 1.Muhammad Ali, 1960 - 1981 56-5-0 (USA)
Cruiserweight - 1.Carlos DeLeon 1974 - 1995 52-8-1 (PR)
Light Heavyweight - 1.Archie Moore 1935 - 1963 186-24-11 (USA)
Super Middleweight - 1.Steve Collins 1986 - 1997 36-3-0
Middleweight - 1.Marvin Hagler 1973 - 1987 62-3-2 (USA)
Light Middleweight - 1.Thomas Hearns,1977 - 2000 59-5-1 (USA)
Welterweight - 1.Felix Trinidad 1990 - 2005 42-2-0 (PR)
Light Welterweight- 1.Wilfred Benitez 1973 - 1990 53-8-1 (PR)
Lightweight- 1.Lou Ambers 1932 - 1941 94-8-7 (USA)
Super Featherweight- 1.Azumah Nelson 1979 - 1998 39-5-2
Featherweight- 1.Vicente Saldivar 1961 - 1973 37-3-0 (MEXI)
Super Bantamweight - 1.Wilfredo Gomez 1974 - 1989 44-3-1 (PR)
Bantamweight- 1.Fighting Harada 1960 - 1970 55-7-0 (JAPAN)
Super Flyweight - 1.Sung Kil Moon 1987 - 1993 20-2-0
Flyweight- 1.Sot Chitalada 1983 - 1992 26-4-1
Light Flyweight- 1.Michael Carbajal 1989 - 1999 49-4-0 (USA)
Minimumweight- 1.Ricardo Lopez 1985 - 2001 51-0-1 (MEXI)

Cruiserweight - Holyfield was the best.

Welterweight - Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Henry Armstrong and a list of others were all better than Trinidad (and I'm not trying to be a hater here)

Light Welterweight - Wilfred Benitez was great, but Aaron Pryor, Barney Ross, and Julio Cesar Chavez were all better.

IwatchBoxing
06-11-2005, 06:42 PM
Cruiserweight - Holyfield was the best.

Welterweight - Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Henry Armstrong and a list of others were all better than Trinidad (and I'm not trying to be a hater here)

Light Welterweight - Wilfred Benitez was great, but Aaron Pryor, Barney Ross, and Julio Cesar Chavez were all better.
Not only are you a hater, but you just mentioned PR's...

SonnyG8R
06-11-2005, 07:16 PM
Not only are you a hater, but you just mentioned PR's...


Not at all. I think Trinidad is a good fighter. Just not as good as Ray Robinson or Ray Leonard. You really think he's better or is that just your PR bias talking?

And the only reason I only mentioned Puerto Ricans is because those are the only ones you hilighted. lol

Flyweight: Jimmy Wilde

Bantamweight: Eder Jofre

Featherweight: Willie Pep

Super Featherweight: Alexis Arguello

Lightweight: Roberto Duran

Middleweight: Harry Greb

There. Feel better? Am I still a hater. If so you're a dumbass.

IwatchBoxing
06-11-2005, 08:18 PM
Not at all. I think Trinidad is a good fighter. Just not as good as Ray Robinson or Ray Leonard. You really think he's better or is that just your PR bias talking?

And the only reason I only mentioned Puerto Ricans is because those are the only ones you hilighted. lol

Flyweight: Jimmy Wilde

Bantamweight: Eder Jofre

Featherweight: Willie Pep

Super Featherweight: Alexis Arguello

Lightweight: Roberto Duran

Middleweight: Harry Greb

There. Feel better? Am I still a hater. If so you're a dumbass.
The rankings are on CAREERS, not favorites. Trinidad could of beat Duran at Welterweight, and hes #2 on the list cause he has one loss to a PR, Trinidad has 17 title defenses without a loss. He beat plenty of great fighters to be considered number 1, maybe if Duran didnt lose, he would be #1. Regradless, both are top ten, on any unbiased list. Thinking he COULD OF, is not the same as DOING LIVE.

SonnyG8R
06-11-2005, 08:28 PM
The rankings are on CAREERS, not favorites. Trinidad could of beat Duran at Welterweight, and hes #2 on the list cause he has one loss to a PR, Trinidad has 17 title defenses without a loss. He beat plenty of great fighters to be considered number 1, maybe if Duran didnt lose, he would be #1. Regradless, both are top ten, on any unbiased list.


"Trinidad could of beat Duran at Welterweight" - That's arguable, but beside the point. Duran is considered the greatest lightweight ever by most boxing experts. Certainly in the top 3.

The question is do you actually think Trinidad had a better CAREER at welterweight than Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard? If you say yes you are exposing yourself as biased. Now if you want to call him top ten I have less problem accepting that.

And just so you don't get it in your head that I hate PR's, Cotto is my favorite active boxer (assuming RJJ is no longer active).

IwatchBoxing
06-11-2005, 08:38 PM
"Trinidad could of beat Duran at Welterweight" - That's arguable, but beside the point. Duran is considered the greatest lightweight ever by most boxing experts. Certainly in the top 3.

The question is do you actually think Trinidad had a better CAREER at welterweight than Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard? If you say yes you are exposing yourself as biased. Now if you want to call him top ten I have less problem accepting that.

And just so you don't get it in your head that I hate PR's, Cotto is my favorite active boxer (assuming RJJ is no longer active).
We are talking about weights, not full careers,
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000269
Leonard only made like 10 title defenses, I know most would like to preseve this guys as the best ever, but dont forget, that their are a whole bunch of other boxers who put in work too, not just who you like.

SonnyG8R
06-11-2005, 09:16 PM
We are talking about weights, not full careers,
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000269
Leonard only made like 10 title defenses, I know most would like to preseve this guys as the best ever, but dont forget, that their are a whole bunch of other boxers who put in work too, not just who you like.


What 3 fighters did Trinidad beat at 147 that were at the same level as Benitez, Hearns and Duran?

IwatchBoxing
06-11-2005, 09:29 PM
What 3 fighters did Trinidad beat at 147 that were at the same level as Benitez, Hearns and Duran?
Oscar De La Hoya (argueably the best Mexican fighter ever), Pernell Whitaker, Hector Camacho are the three biggest wins at Welter, pretty good, NOT AS GOOD AS RAYS, but besides those three, who has Ray fought?

McGoorty
08-07-2011, 05:47 AM
:bottle: Wan Wannn, an unbiased computer catulated the Rankings, they have all the right fighters, what is so wrong with the list know it all, P.S your moma is a moron.
It's wrong,..... when did a computer fight ????? lol... lol..